Brandy and Julie, Bad Behavior at The Met, and Karen Read Fans
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Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop. I'm so excited because I have my favorite girls here. Julie Goldman, Brandi Howard of Dumb Gay Podcast from television. They are television personalities. The Queens of Bravo, the originators of watching TV and making it funny of people's couch.

Back to talk about what's going on in the world. Welcome back, girls. Always. We've missed you. Always. We were drunk for a week straight after Stagecoach. We kept the Stagecoach party going, like honestly. Honestly, I think the brunch where we were just at a restaurant at the local, which is in La Quinta, and it's fabulous. Yeah.

was maybe my funnest part of the whole experience was sitting and just eating and drinking. And that's when we got the drunkest. Yeah, that's when we got, I got, yeah, that was the drunkest part. And that was the most fun. That was absolutely so fun. You guys know I predict stuff. It's getting a little frightening. Oh. It's another thing has come true. No. And the editors here have said,

That it's getting closer. My predictions are like the turnaround time. There was the Garcelle prediction. Oh. And then today, another prediction has happened. Okay. Golden Globes is having a podcast category.

You may recall Guy Branum was on my show less than like 12 days ago. Yes. And he brought his Golden Globe for his writing on hacks. And I did an entire speech of it would have to be a podcast category if that ever happens. And here is my speech. Now, sadly, I will predict that I...

Don't see it happening right now, though it should. I obviously should be nominated. But, you know, someone's going to go through with a fine-tooth comb and realize I...

mispronounced names and I cut people off and I get too excited and I'm not politically correct and blah, blah, blah. So we know that it's going to be the Glennon Doyles and the Mel Robbins and the girl from It Cosmetics who's like, hey, who's talking to Meghan Markle and she gets everybody because, oh, yeah, those people are going to get it. And that's fine.

Because I predicted it. That's right. And I make money at it. And that's all that fucking matters. And eventually in 10 years you will. And the Golden Globes have historically and just their reputation is that they nominate the wrong people and the wrong people win. Right. I mean, period. Or it's going to be some super boring ass thing. Oh, definitely Michelle Obama. She's going to be not. Why wouldn't she be? Why wouldn't she be a nominee? She was doing it for two seconds. Right.

Oprah, like, I don't know. It's not going to be, should it be Joe Rogan? Fuck yeah, it should be Joe Rogan. Is it going to be him? No. No. Eventually it'll be podcast comedy, podcast anthology, podcast true crime. If it is this year in that, it will be like the luncheon the day before, which obviously I love a luncheon.

One of my favorite things to do is wake up in May at nine years old and go, mother, please let today be a May basket tea. And a May basket tea was a fashion show for the Valley Debs, which my older sisters were in. And they would do a fashion show and it was at the top of the Sheraton at the Universal. And there's something about a certain day in May, Saturday that I'd wake up and I'd be like,

It smells like a Maybasket tea day. And part of me wants to have something at the top of the Sheraton. Oh, yeah. The view is amazing. Vibes. And May in Southern California.

It's just a total, yeah. It's like sense memory. Yes, sense. It's like, yeah, I smell it. I smell it. You know what I smell? What? I smell when in 10 years when Juicy Scoop is top of the thing. That will be the year where they do another offshoot of Best Podcast Guests. And we will still be. Yes. Just guests. Just guests everywhere. Yes.

And you know what? If we can nab that. We can nab it. Why not? Or it's a best episode. Fine. Which it was like, you know, the groundbreaking episode I had that year with Brandy and Julie. Yes. Where we tackled it all and it was nonstop. Tackled it all. Laughter. Yes. Tackled it all. That's the hope. That's the hope. It's inevitable though that you'll be in there.

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Julie's name, Julie Goldman, there's a very decorated and documentary filmmaker named Julie Goldman. Yes. We have been invited to the Independent Spirit Awards. But only the luncheon.

And when I tell you it was at Boa. Because they meant for the other Julie Goldman. Correct. Okay. We rolled on. We went to it though. We went to it. I'm so glad you did. Of course. And we would go to any, and we get lots of emails from, or I do from possible producers looking for some, a filmmaker to help with their documentary. Yeah.

And I have to let them know I'm just not interested right now. But then they want to come on the podcast. Yeah. And then we just block them. But we went in. That's amazing. We ate a slider. I went to eat right when we got in.

It fell to the ground at BOA. Oh, I love BOA. I know. But I love SDK more. Yeah. Go on. We just were like, it's not really Julie Goldman. We were eating all the food, drinking all the drinks, laughing it up. We were just like waving. I love it. Waiting to see if Julie...

Won an award. Her category, she didn't. Well, it's interesting that you say that because I have had the opposite, like you kind of got like a positive bonus out of it. My person is Heather MacDonald, M-A-C. And she is a very popular conservative commentator and writer, which is fine. Great. A lot of people really like her. That's totally great.

but a lot of people don't like her. So I'd get inadvertent hate. I'd get love and I'd get hate on tour. Like from the weird, I'd be like, oh, you know, and someone would be like, Megyn Kelly talked all about you today. I go, no, no. Though I'd love it if Megyn Kelly talked about me as much as she talks about Bethany Frankel and Meghan Markle. We obviously care about these people the same, you know, and she, but like, no, I go, I

I think it's the other one. And actually, when I was on the one and only time I was on Watch Robbins Live in the last 15 years, I was getting on the plane and I noticed something. Someone's like, ooh, they're doing you dirty. I go, what? And they had described me for the week as Heather McDonald. My name spelled correctly.

but conservative political commentator. And I'm about to get on the plane to New York. And I'm like, by the time I left, this is, and this is, you know, a year ago, a year and a half, wait, two years ago. So this was a really bad time to have someone say that. Now it'd be like fucking maybe kind of great or whatever. I, I, I'm shaking. The plane is about to go off. I'm like,

Somebody made a mistake. If you guys don't change that, like I could be murdered in the airport before I get off the plane. Like what is this? So, um, yeah, so it's, it's fun. Also having Heather, I have Heather Tobias is my married name, which is also my, uh, stage name, but I have an email to that account that I've had forever. Okay. That Peter got for me when we were just dating and,

creepy. Yeah, Peter, like, let's calm down, sir. You haven't even proposed. My first and only was creep. And then, of course, I had a mirror because I don't know how to get another email. But so there's been a couple times when we shared an agent, Heather Dubrow and I, that the lazy person would just write Heather D. Yes. And then all of a sudden...

I would be, you know, I'd be seeing what she was being offered. And then I'd see she turned it down, like in a thread. And I was like, hi, could I? If Heather DeRose is too busy for this, could you actually put me on it? So there's been some funds with the names in Hollywood for all of us. All of us. All of us. Lists. I've been lesbian drama. We don't want to deal with this lesbian and her drama anymore. It wasn't me. Oh, it wasn't you. But it was someone else's lesbian they were talking about. Mm-hmm.

And you got the email somehow? Yeah. They just had a category for lesbian clients? Oh, I'm sorry. No, they were talking about her. They were talking about me. They didn't mean to send it to me. Oh, oh.

We've done that a million times on here. We did that. That's true. I do want to say, because you mentioned Watch What Happens Live, you got to shout out Megan. Oh, yes. Megan was on. Megan Weaver from Our Good Friend. And now she's helping me do my home. And she has a new podcast that we were guests on, My Addiction. My Addiction. And she got to be the bartender last night.

prolific talented designer yes now currently doing your home doing tons of homes but yeah he did you see so andy cohen like talked about her design business it was great it was a really good promotion and she looked gorgeous yeah and it was great it was fun um fun watching zach from the valley zach uh zach triggers me a little because he does remind me

A lot of somebody I used to know. Right. Which I do not want to mention. But so much of that. But he is great for the show. They cannot get rid of him. No. He is great for the show. Well, we're going to get into the Valley in a minute. But can we just jump to the Met? A little bit of the Met. First of all, Kelsey, I mean, Travis Kelsey and Taylor did not go. No. A lot of people didn't go.

figure some people are just it's an exhausting thing and I think maybe I think the theme scared people yeah like I don't want to do this theme wrong right then be called something horrible so I'm gonna just not go and then also when none of your friends are going you're like do I need to go have you already said what the theme is well the theme was

What was it? It's super fine. Black, uh, black dandies. It was like black from like the 19, like through the ages. So it's black dandyism through the ages. Oh, I thought it was just that one particular time of like black and white photos where you see like, I think you thought it was just those black and white photos.

Because a lot of people just went very like historic, whether it be like the early. It was late 1800s, early 1900s. And then maybe in the 40s and 50s. I was disappointed there wasn't more Prince. A classic dandy. Yes. Ruffled pirate tops from, you know, the 80s and 90s. Prince was always a dandy. Yeah. Julie and I did one not represented Urkel.

a major early 90s dandy. Like a golfing kind of... I mean, this would be so good if there could have been some more variety. Because I agree, it was all of just the pinstripe suits, the fitted... So let's go through some outfits, but go on. I just want to say we did watch... It's interesting with the theme, if you do a little bit of a deep dive, there were a lot of explanations because the whole thing is based on this professor's book.

And her book was about black dandyism and dandyism. And so it was, she's like a professor at Barnard. Really?

This entire thing is based on this sort of like this thing that she wrote. So there's tons of videos to explore about what dandyism is, what black dandyism is, what it means, what this whole thing means. And when they sent out the RSVP for the Met Gala, it said because to speak to that point,

for any white people or any, you know, ethnicity, whatever, that would be scared. It said, make it tailored to you. This is about individualism. Oh, I'm so glad you have all this info. Yeah. We did a deep dive. Good, I'm glad you did. I appreciate it because I had a lot of questions. It's so expansive and it's also so...

Anna Wintour did this as a love letter to Andre Leontali and basically making it even menswear at all was groundbreaking. Black menswear, black men in fashion, dandyism, and it was also a political statement. And she said it was. She said towards what's going on currently right now. Heather, you wear a lot of tailored looks. You could have worked it. I thought it

was really cool because I was like, wow, this is just such. But the other part of it is it was such a young now happening group of actors and rappers and musicians and singers and like now people that are really young. I felt like, God, if someone was to go that was like, like, you know, that's always gone, like Sarah Jessica Park, whatever. I'm just saying

you'd feel old. Like I felt like Kim Kardashian was old to be here. Like she felt like out of the loop as I was watching the, the initial people come out of the hotel. And I was also just like, I've always just been fascinated by just how much goes into the outfit, the hair, the makeup. How does everyone fit? How many guys does it take to like fluff you and figure it out and how you decide like, okay, I want to please the designer who invited me, but like,

this outfit is just like not me. Like how much do you say? And then they have a TikTok story in the back of their head to say that you were an asshole about it. Like, it's just so, I'm just like, and then you go there and you're, you know, and if you're in an uncomfortable outfit, then you go there and then is it just like any other like charity event where you sit and there's some speakers and then you have like a chicken meal and then, you know, like,

That's my question. And where do all the handlers go then? They don't get to stay. When there's like 17 people that got you into the car and held your dress up. You have to deal with your train and your weird big hat. Then they don't get to come in. Well, Megan Thee Stallion went rogue and did a ton of little videos, which my main question is, is Anna Wintour going to ban her? Because she did tons of videos. It did not look like you had to stay in your seat because she was all over the place. She did say the food portions were super small. Yeah.

Well... But I think there... I do think there's a situation where you're sitting there, but then you're also running around and sort of having fun and sneaking into the bathroom for selfies and whatever else. But I don't think the team goes in. They probably take those trains off and then you're free to move. I saw Shabuzy. I have a Shabuzy photo. Let's go through the photos and then we can... Because I saved Shabuzy for you. Okay, good. Okay, this...

This was Sam Smith and Christian Cowan. And one of the comments was, I thought it was Travis Kelsey and Machine Gun Kelly. And I just want to say, people are funny. They are. People are fucking funny in the comments. That's good.

Rihanna came with her third bump. Two of the bumps are now children living, and now she has a third with A$AP Rocky, who is also... Co-chair. Co-chair, and she had a dime, and they're not married, so people are thinking, you know, third baby's a charm. I don't know. But I thought, you know, I kind of liked how they sort of made the suits into a dress look, and it worked for her.

This was controversial. Yes. So the White Lotus girl, who's also a singer. She's in black pink. She was dressed by Pharrell, who was also one of the chairs. So it was he who put a leotard together that had the faces of...

Was it like historical black women? Yeah. It's Rosa Parks. Oh, it's all Rosa Parks. It's all Rosa Parks. Rosa Parks all over the kitty cat, baby. Yeah, all over the cat. And then, you know, a lot of people didn't... Still the look of no pants or wearing tights is still... I don't know when that'll go away. Like, it's so been done. Like, even if you wanted to do it, I'd be like, don't do it. Pharrell was responsible for probably...

most of the looks with no pants. And I just want to say if somebody and many did, if they were at Bravo con in 2023 with no pants, I don't want to see anyone at the Met Gala, no pants. It's clearly doing the no pants in 2023. Yeah. Who was it? It was the chick from New York. Oh, Aaron. Yeah. And,

It just is just not a very original look. But, you know, she looked cute. Whatever. But she got some shit for it. But, I mean, what are you going to do? I put Rosa Parks in my coochie. She was also all over the whole bodysuit. Yeah, it's like a bodysuit. That's all you can see. I don't really know what the issue is there for it. If you're doing an homage. I think at the time people thought it was just underwear and they're like, what? And then when you go through the history of that, this guy did it for her and everything. And people are like, okay, I got it.

But, you know, when you're watching it at 430 at your house, you're like, what the hell is this? Well, I do hope that this entire event helps with that reactionary like because I think people right now particularly are always looking for something to like, oh, you know, I don't agree. I'm like, maybe like, you know, maybe some things don't come in hate. Maybe they're actually coming in love. And let's like try to lean into that.

And so this celebrity stylist was seen freaking out, trying to go back to the mark where I guess they all have rooms and they all leave the mark, which I'm like, well, now I can see why that one person did try to hide their look because it's like it's not it's less exciting than when you are when we've already seen your look because we were watching TV.

page six feed of the people leaving the Mark Hotel before they get to the red carpet. So this celebrity stylist, because I was like, where do these stylists have rooms, whatever. She was probably on one hour of sleep in the last week, but she started to scream at these people. She's like, I have a room here! Her name's Jessica Pastel.

past her and she, they, they took her like, they're like, you're not coming in. And they, they had security guards and they took her away. And she's like, still like hair in a bun, like still in like her stylist type of like, I don't even know when this was, but she lost her mind. They somehow didn't know that she had a room and,

And it's just that whole thing that originally when I was watching it, I was just like, who are all the people behind it? Then where do they go? Where do they eat? What's their concern of the veil or whatever not being fluffed?

Lizzo showing off her new bod. Yeah. And she came in with a lot of handlers. Yes, of course. With the thing at the bottom. And she was giving you way like madam. She had like a corset type thing with her new bod. Good for her. Kind of a boring black and white outfit though. Okay. Loved this. This was Zendaya. She had a tailored white shirt.

satin outfit on with the hat and the vest and the tie and just super cute for any occasion really any she killed it her body now the t that's louis vuitton yeah so then the t was that and la roche dressed her yeah was that the other girls i have the other yeah okay well first then we had this lupita did a similar look but with like a a

A cape. A cape, which I've seen gay men do that on their wedding. Oh, that's cute. It is kind of cute. That was like a powder blue. Yeah, so I thought that one was really good. This is the other girl. What's her name? Anna. Anna from Shogun. She wore...

basically the same outfit but like a little less detailed. And it was Dior. Oh. So and she was and then Zendaya was Louis Vuitton. That was unfortunate for everyone. I mean that is like embarrassing. I mean down to like the same style of hat. Like one could have had that wider brim and the other one could have had the Luann fedora that Kim wore. The fedora. But the

I mean, it's so similar. It's based on a look of Diana Ross from Mahogany. Oh, that's great. So that's why. But still, like, it's just a lesson for all of us. Like, you can't just be cosplaying an exact look from a movie. You've got to make it your own. Yeah. I feel for La Roche and Zendaya, but they have been triumphing at every Met Gala. It happens. Thrive 25. And she still looks amazing.

Nobody can phase in day. Always be bosom buddies, friends, sisters, and pals. Is that from, is that from, okay. I know I sang that song. I think it was from music, man. Oh, or no Gary, Indiana, or I don't know what that song is originally from, but it,

And, you know, maybe it's one of those things with like the monocle. Did the Monopoly man have a monocle? Maybe I remember it differently. But I swear, I think there was, I know there was an I Love Lucy episode. Yeah, I was about to say, I thought it was Carol Burnett and... Lucy Arnaz or Lucy. No, those two... Lucy together or Julie. Oh, I think Lucy and Ethel both had the same dress on. And I remember being a little girl going, why aren't they happy? They're best friends. They should be so excited to wear the same dress. Yeah.

And I'm like watching this, like, you know, eating soup, like watching TV, like parents. I'm like four, like by myself. And then, and they were like picking off each other's flowers to make it look different. I think their song was, it's friendship time.

friendship. All we need is friendship. But like, I don't know. There's just something about showing up and having the same. It happens to housewives all the time. All the time. And housewives wearing the same outfits either on Watch What Happens Live or from one, from one, um,

Another one's doing it in their confessionals. And it's like all the same. And then who just did it on the reunion? Kyle. Well, Kyle just did it in the actual show. They both were on Dorit. But Brittany showed up in the Salt Lake City show.

And graciously changed. That's right. Brittany in the exact same outfit is probably like Bronwyn or someone who doesn't like her. No, it was the Greek girl. The Greek girl had the same hot pink. Yeah, Angie had the same hot pink. So then that's how nice Brittany is. She changed. Then, I mean, Demi Moore. I mean, granted, I just want to say everything looks amazing on her because she also is, I'm sorry to say it, extremely thin. Extremely thin. Extremely thin looking.

looks good in gowns. Your waist matters in a long gown. You cannot hide it if you don't have a tiny waist. It's a bummer. And she is very, very, very thin. You know the whole thing besides are they gay or are they from France? The other thing is also is that fashion or are you just thin? That's like the thing. It's like, is that good fashion or is she just very thin? And so the thing is, it's like everything looks good on her.

And she had this weird halo, but I guess I found out it was supposed to be she's actually embodying the tie. Right. The actual tie. The loop of the tie. She is the tie. But she looked fabulous. She really did. And she's killing it. So just stay thin. Who cares? I think it's funny. It's working out for you. Yeah. This was not. This was the worst look of the night, hands down. Period. This is Lisa Rinna's daughter, Amelia Gray.

It starts with the eyebrows and ends from there. I'm so sick of those eyebrows. Never, ever be down for bleach blonde eyebrows. Why are they doing this? I wasn't for it when it first happened in the whatever...

I despise it. I didn't like it when Madonna did it in the 90s. I hate it. I don't like it when Lady Gaga does it. I don't. Everyone needs an eyebrow. And the fact that they're all doing it. It's the worst. Julia Fox is doing it. I hate it. It's so unattractive. And then she rolled in with this arrogant. It was her attitude from the beginning. Then she said she's paying homage to like Harlem or Brooklyn. It's like, what? And what? Again, it was very clowny with the red and white and then the tights. And then there was also this like

I thought this was her body, but then she had like another like diaper underneath. And it looks like a diaper. Brown. It doesn't make sense. Why wouldn't you just keep it all red and just go underneath it? Or put your legs out. You're 20. Yeah, just show your legs. Do thigh highs. Yeah. It was just bad. Monica Bambini.

Oh, that's the girl from the Bob Dylan movie. Well, she just wore like a big full skirt and a fitted thing. Like again, gorgeous. Like you could wear that in real life. It's costuming, but it's also on point. Fits the theme. She's beautiful. Zoe Saldana. A little funky, but I liked it. You did?

That's a good picture of her. I wasn't really into it. Maybe I wasn't into her hair. I wasn't. I don't like it. This idiot. She also just can't. So you could tell it was so interesting. Julie hated when she arrived. We're talking about Amelia Gray again. She was such a cocky, arrogant asshole when she walked in. I'm sorry. Like she just embodied this awful, obnoxious attitude that was.

Throughout the whole thing, she was just awful. She just radiated hideousness. She just did. I'm sorry. Well, I'm going to defend her. Okay. Because I saw her coming out of the mark. I didn't see her when she was on the carpet.

And I kind of liked that she was talking to the people. Oh, we didn't see that. Because she was just like, hi, do you like my outfit? Like, it was a little, like, I kind of was like, well, I don't know. You know what? Why not just, like, have fun and say hi to the people? Of course. Acting like. She wasn't like that. She wasn't like that on the carpet. Then she got serious on the carpet. Yeah. We didn't see that. Then she was, like, gooning, like. And then the Cut Magazine wrote, is Amelia Gray wearing a do-rag?

If she is, I don't know. Who cares? Well, again, we're there for the theme. So we can't nitpick and make people feel bad for trying to pay homage and be celebratory of the theme. We can't. We have to lean in. We are now at a point where we've got to start celebrating, leaning in, and understanding the difference between appropriation and celebration. Like, let's cut the shit. Like, we're all too old, and I'm not here for it anymore. Everybody went to a Mexican restaurant yesterday.

On May 5th. And nobody, we can do that. Right. We can have Mexican food. We can, you know. Let's decipher what's coming. Like, please don't take that from any of us.

Please. You know what? Don't take my chips and salsa and my spicy marks. Okay. Let's like, let's bring humor back. Let's bring coming with a good intention back. Let's like, you want to make America great again. Let's make humor great again. And yeah. Wow. And all for it. I want to want the theme to be like celebrating fat flat asses through the ages.

Wait, I have a flat ass comment. Do you know that when we get to, we're going to talk about Karen Reed, but that was one of the mean things that the person, he said, no ass, flat ass. Disgusting. Okay, wait, let's go. Okay, finish this. So Pamela Anderson is still not wearing any makeup.

But she's taking it a step further. But she wore a weird wig that is, I guess, sort of of the time. But I love that she took her hot son with her as her date. I love that, too. I love a father. I love a mother son.

She needed him too. She was feeling insecure without him, which is so sweet. But listen, like the dress wasn't flattering. I will give only to Pamela Anderson who has over plucked eyebrows. She's the only one doing the natural no brow. She came by that honestly. Yeah, because those are her same brows from the 90s. But wait, who did she look like? Mia Farrow. She looked a lot like Mia Farrow. But yeah, I'm still just wanting to just like put a little mascara on it.

Here's your guy. Shaboos. Okay. Let me just talk about this. Okay. This is a strange outfit, but. So this is at the mark. Now, this is what I saw. Julie has not seen this. Okay. I saw the mark and then I saw him in the carpet. Okay. He left. He doesn't have his jacket on, which I didn't realize when I saw him leave the hotel. So I was like,

Totally, completely turned off. Right. And then with the jacket, I was still turned off, but not as bad, but still I was turned off. I don't have a photo with the jacket. So I kept telling Julia, I was like underneath that he's that that thing he's wearing is like a sleeveless shell top and he's like buff and has a super good body. He's wearing like a blue grill to match this like pearl situation.

I feel like this was a missed opportunity. There are black dandies. Like again, he, we were just saw him at stage coach. We're absolutely, we were already obsessed, but we become like, we're like good friends with them now, obviously because we were at stage coach and stuff. And so, you know, the bond is like so deep, so deep. Then, you know, it's like he, because then he came out again with a jelly roll. So we saw, we saw him do his show and then we saw him with jelly roll.

I think it was a missed opportunity for him to be like any kind of look that's like a dressed up cowboy, which is a super like interesting look. A dressed up rancher, like when they go to their daughter's wedding. I love a rich rancher. Yeah, like that's a look. And he's in that world. And I felt like this didn't match anything.

where he's at and the branding he should be at. I felt like it was alienating. It was unnecessary. And there was a thousand things he could have done to celebrate black dandyism that wasn't this. And I just didn't like it. That's where I think this is just such a stressful event to go to because you get asked to go to it. You're like, I got to go. How could I not go? And the other thing is this might be the only year you're invited because you get invited when you're like

at a certain level of like hipness. So you might not be invited five years from now. So you don't want to turn it down. Then you get a designer who's doing all this for free. For free. You're getting your chicken dinner for free. Oh.

Giving you the team. Yeah, giving. And so it's like, how much do you say, you know, like, I don't really love it or whatever. And then you just got to roll with it. I just want to say one more thing. Pharrell, who is a co-chair, he's like, and he's, he is like doing Louis Vuitton right now. Pharrell is.

Him and his wife went in like America through the ages. It was like 2021 or 2022. There was two America themes. And they did that bolo tie. They dress Western. Yeah. Him and his wife and that, and it was so cute.

He could have done that. And I just feel like and I know it is stressful. I felt like Megan Thee Stallion was was also a miss. She just looks very glamorous. Marilyn Monroe Grammys. She was dressed by Michael Kors. There's nothing she can do at that point. Michael Kors is like, I'm giving you all this for free. I'm doing the team. Megan Thee Stallion is like, fuck it. Yeah. But it Michael Kors. I just know it's so hard to because it's like you might want to just go and wear a beautiful gown.

Or you might want to really do the theme. When you said the America, I remember when Kylie had a bride's dress on with a baseball cap.

what's more, all more, more American than baseball and getting married. I don't know. That's how they thought of it. Like, it's weird. It's like a car. And then, so it's just one of those things that you just got to go to because it's, it's part of your job. You need to be seen. And sometimes you hit it and have a great time. And other times, you know, you don't. So here's Kim. Didn't hit it. And she's wearing Luann's hat, the fedora. And I just feel like,

Again, we get it. Like your bod is your bod. That's the name of the episode. You kind of get it with the pearls and everything, but it was just like a lot going on. But it was, I don't know. And again, I was like, I didn't even know she was going to come. She came so late in the game that I was like, and then I was like, is she feeling good?

Like the auntie at the party at this point. Like, is she starting to feel like maybe I can skip it like Sarah Jessica Parker and Andy did? Like, do people start to turn it down or go, you know what? Thank you, whatever designer. Why don't you feature someone else? Because I would love to just...

not be uncomfortable and stressed for the next week and a half and starving. And I mean, I just think everyone needs a chiropractor probably after this day of just like carrying the heavy stuff around, not being able to move. It's funny though, they finally had an opportunity to do menswear.

She could have done something so comfortable. Yeah. You could have. Because the feature was menswear. And she's wearing this leather tight corset. Low back. A little far down. But cleavage. You just can't stand to not have one second where your whole body is out. It's like you could have had a tailored suit. You could have been comfortable. You didn't have to do that. Yeah. It was a menswear event. But then so many... Well, I'm surprised nobody did that classic...

Whether you wear the Sharon Stone tailored shirt with the big skirt or you do the suit with the no shirt and it's just like your sexual cleavage coming out. Sexual cleavage. Like that was a look. Nobody did that. There's a lot of missed opportunities. But that hat, she couldn't see. And then Kylie kind of the same thing. She was like, I want to show off my bod. And they're like, okay, we'll give you a corset and we'll just cut like a

a tweed suit around it so that was like a weird outfit that was very confusing i thought you know good body still and then and then uh gg hadid is just like i'm just gonna wear like a dorothy dandridge kind of like gorgeous classic gold dress and i don't care and i'll do like an old-fashioned hairdo and leave me the fuck alone and she made all the top tens yeah and because it was just like look at her smiling yeah this was just a very weird look

And this was Alicia Keys and her husband. And it was like different stripes. And a lot of people had those jackets that looked like the fluffy comforter thing, which I didn't get. How is that?

Was that part of the time? I think that's just a general like a capery, like a like a become a thing at the fair. It's become a thing at the Met, but it was not part of Alicia Keys is here is another miss. Like here's a woman who can wear a suit. And I would have loved I mean, she could have worn a suit. I do like that they match. I like that they match, too. I like when a couple. Yeah, I like that. We are all kind of dressed up today. Yeah, because if we're talking about this stuff.

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She wore a really beautiful dress and he wore a cool suit. Them together are just so cool and good looking. Did you see that dress out there? It's black strapless with white. It was this big white train, but the white cut in at the waist. It was this optical illusion that was so flattering. I was like, oh my god, every woman needs that dress in their wardrobe. Who were that? That was Gabrielle Union. And Dwayne Wade. Oh, I saw, but I didn't get a photo of

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And he's just come out as gay. And you know who, only person who didn't know that on earth was my mother. Kind of like when she didn't realize Barry Manilow was gay. Well, we didn't, did you know Barry Diller was gay? Or all of our Diane Bollingford's grandmothers that didn't realize that Liberace was gay. Right. Yeah, no, of course everybody knows Barry Diller's, I guess Julie and my mom. Well, I just actually didn't even know who he was, but I didn't, I find, I mean, 83 comes out after a 24 year marriage to,

I'm happy for her. So the story of them is, um, I think she had kids from a first marriage. He might've had some, they were friends. They knew each other, but then they like dated. They didn't date. He was like, yeah, I always had like in among our friends, people knew I like liked men, but then what I really fell in love with Diane von Furstenberg. So I like men, but she's the only woman for me. That's,

That's like, um, and so then they've been together for 24 years and this is part of his memoir, but he's also a billionaire. I know she's very rich too, but maybe their lifestyle. Now this is the, this is what people are talking about when they say a lavender marriage. Yeah. But they didn't have to have like, there was a time when lavender marriages happened because that was the only way you knew a lesbian down the street and you were gay and you wanted to have kids and, and there was no other way to like live your life.

And so, you know, and the kids didn't even know that their parents were lavender marriage. Now people want to bring back lavender marriages because gay guys are sick of gay men and gay women are sick of their. So they're like, yes, that's why don't we just call it a day and do a, you know, and do a Barry Diller von Furstenberg and be successful to successful people that like each other. And maybe they do fuck around once in a blue moon and maybe they just don't care what is going on.

They must. I never heard the term lavender marriage. Have you? Yeah. Taking over TikTok. Oh, okay.

Oh, it is? Oh, okay. Well, it makes, yeah, because in the, you know, when the spinster who lived above my mother, you know, on the third floor that everyone would talk about, now she needed a lavender marriage, but she didn't have one because she was a spinster. But like, uncle whatever is married to blah, blah, blue because in 1960 or 55 you couldn't be gay and so you could be married and then you da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da. My mother wished I had a lavender marriage. She said to me, why can't you just get married and do your things on the side? Ha!

And you know what? I don't know why. I dated a guy. I've dated a designer in the early 2000s. And his mother, he was from a very rich family. His dad owned a famous store. I'm not going to say their name. His mother was married

to a gay guy and he would just say like his parents were divorced and he's just like that's just what they're doing they're best friends and the way I interpreted it was that they were best friends but they were both very wealthy and I think his mom maybe didn't need or want the temptation of like

whatever she was doing, it was like, I am not going to marry you, so best of luck. You ain't going to get any gold digger on my watch. Or I don't know. That was my interpretation. I mean, the thing is, Lavender is mostly for men. Lavender meaning, like, that's very gay male oriented. You know what I mean? Because it was mainly for men. It's like that movie that Bradley Cooper just did on Netflix, Maestro. I don't know if you watched it or not. About that very, very, very, very famous philharmonic maestro. That guy was married

The whole story is that he's married to a woman. They fell in love through the ages, but he was gay and he would constantly be getting with men and she would just be like, Oh God. And he would, but he would say, but I'm in love with you and it's the only woman, but it was the time and he couldn't, he couldn't, he couldn't show them still boning him and the wife or no, they would show like affection. Okay. You know what I mean? But I think we know, I think the, the, the passion and the romance is,

isn't for that person. I can see how someone getting stuck in something like that and just going, well, maybe, you know, having that kind of romance isn't meant for me and everything else is there. But then you'll never know if you stay in it. You'll never know that there isn't something. Like I was watching Sister Wives. Yes, exactly. There you go. And Christine was like,

She never knew. I never knew. And now that I'm in it with my new husband, like I really feel badly for anybody that doesn't get to experience someone that's like into them sexually and, and cares about them in that way because she didn't, not only did she,

not have the sex but he was like not like into her yeah or protective of her any other way because they were in a polygamous marriage so it's like I think that's really interesting but um you know you gotta sell a book so now you wait also for a certain age too why do you have to sell a book when you're a billionaire and when you're 83 like finally like why do you even have to say it like I wonder if she was like

I mean, like, do you have to? Like, now everyone looks at her in a different light. That's where I think it's kind of unfair. Now they're like, God, did you have so little, like, self-love that you didn't... Or were you such a gold-digging, like, or were you so thinking this would help you with your fashion career? Because...

I'm trying to think, did it? It probably did boost when she became... Well, she was already huge. Yeah, she was already huge. I think they both protected their empire by that union. Because that's 24 years. I mean, she's already super famous. And maybe we need to start giving the women, because I feel the same way as you. I'm like, oh my God, she's missing out, and who wants a life like that? But maybe at a certain age or a certain time where everybody's different, and maybe for her, friendship, companionship, fun...

you know, whatever it is that they're doing, maybe you don't care about sex that much or romance or someone really being into you. Right, if you're connected on every other level and just enjoy that person so much, you're like, yeah, I don't care if some little twink is going to blow you while I go shop. Like, I don't care. He spends the summers on their yacht and it looks so fun. On the Dillard lot?

Oh my God. Diane von Furstenberg. I love it. Yeah. Okay. Let's get into Karen Reed because I've talked a lot about it. I did watch the five part series on HBO, which I guess came out.

Came out a couple months ago. I felt like it didn't get that. I don't know how I missed it. So I watched the whole thing. You mean you just watched it? I just watched the five-part thing, but I've been covering this since before the first trial to the best of my ability. But, you know, the only people that really know it are the Karens, and they really are Karens. These girls, these women that are so pro-Karen Reid are—

I kind of, one of the things I was like, wow, what an interesting like prototype.

of a woman that's so pro Karen Reed. And then I looked, I really looked at it. I'm like, well, first of all, they're Karens. Essentially they're Karens. There's Karens who have been in their mind, I think fucked over by this, like by this Boston boys club. And I mean, you know, one woman has little shot earrings on. So I'm like, I also feel like, yeah. So I also feel like the other part of it is nobody is mad at,

None of these fans of hers are enraged about the fact that she obviously was driving while drinking. Drunk.

I mean, they had an open cocktail glass in the car. When she talks about it, she's like, so I had, you know, well, I had one drink, but then it was, you know, a little week. So we had a shot in it. Then I had, then someone did a round of shots. So then there was another person gave me a big, like a big drink that was doubles, but I didn't drink that. I was just holding it. Yeah. Right. Right. You're sipping vodka, sodas, whatever.

So I'm like, I think the Boston people, they're like a little older than she. They're like in their 50s, these women. They've been fucked over by the Boston Boys Club of the cops. Right. And they also don't think it's terrible that she was drinking with her boyfriend. Every single person that went back to that house, including all police officers, they all drove drunk. And they're not worried about it because they're with cops. That's the thing. They all know if they got pulled over, they would all be in the clear. Yeah. I want you to know that when I went home for Passover. Yes. Yes.

we have close family friends that live in this town Canton. - Yes, give it to me. - So we went to, not only that, I have a friend I went to summer camp with who is also from Canton. And we have family around that area. So we went to a shiva in the Canton area. I then texted my friend and asked about Karen Reid. So everyone in that room thinks she's innocent. Everyone literally hates the police in that area.

from that area and then my friend from camp said not only are they so excited for the police to be exposed that that area for some reason also seems to bore like murderers like and they don't think they all feel karen reed's innocent and they want her to be innocent because they hate the police there so much they are so completely corrupt

So I was like, all right, from the area, they all are feeling it. None of them are feeling Karen Reed is guilty. I want the Juicy Scoopers, the hardcore investigators to know and they'll know who watch every episode. You're the one who told us about it. And we were in the other studio.

And we, Julie and I knew nothing about it. Um, it was like during the first, when she had been first arrested and the way you described it and you were being very like, um, you weren't taking aside, you were just given the facts. And I was like, oh, well the cops obviously did it another pinning it on her from you just describing it. And I mean, that's just what it sounded like because it was like she had dropped him off and he was in the house and then all of a sudden he ends up dead or whatever. Um,

It reminded me once we watched the five part thing, which was I wish if I could have one wish.

It wouldn't even be to be invisible. It would be, or to fly. It would be that that was on every single night. And then I had that to watch every night. It was so riveting. It was so riveting. Oh, and by the way, she's also, that was the other thing I just remembered. Karen Reed is out at like legal seafood and all these areas and like drinking and having fun. And there were two different people at the thing who like said, Hey, what's up girl? Yeah.

That I was at. When that one scene in it, she's in the back of the car and someone's giving her a bag, like people give me like after a show. And they're like, here you go. It's my honey. I make my own honey, Karen. And I'm like, and she's like, oh, I love you. And I'm like.

I thought there would be more... When I first saw her, I go, oh, people are going to be against the fact that she's attractive and childless and flirting with this guy. And I'm like, no, no one fucking cares about that. No, she's a hometown hero. You understand? Listen, we love Karen Reid around here. We love Karen Reid around here, okay? Those cops are goddamn wicked fucking corrupt and we're sick of it, okay? Like, we don't... Okay, hey girl! Hey!

Like they are here for her. And I mean, I think everyone can relate to feeling like I, you know, I've talked a lot about it. My mind changes with the more information I get. And, you know, I realize now she, there are arguments that they had the morning of before they decided to go out.

And yeah, they're both hardcore drinkers. I don't think they're alcoholics. They're both hardcore drinkers. And a couple of the drinks together stays together. So she's like, even though we're fighting this morning, I know once we have a few drinks in us, you can see they're having a great time when they walk into that bar. And that, when her flirting with the Higgins guy, that was her, you know, getting mad at him because she thought he was flirting with that other girl and being hot-handed when she has a few drinks in her. And that guy...

That Detective Higgins, so she flirt. So for those that don't know, there's this Detective Higgins that was there that night. He's very suspicious and he's on the, you know, he's being questioned. But he has to read the text messages between

The two of them. And she, like, reaches out to him and she's like, I think you're hot. And he's reading it and he's like, why do you think I'm hot? Why do you like me? She didn't like you. No. That's why you're questioning it. And you're not hot. She just had your number and she just was like, let me just, like, fuck around and find out. Like, let him find out how hugging this cute girl who's someone's sister while we're on vacation and I've had 14 drinks today, why it pissed me off because...

you know, she's not looking to have kids at this point, but she, she's feeling like, okay, I'm into taking care of the kids. And he seems to be good. They seem to be getting in fights with her getting close to the kids. So then when she's like, you're using me like, oh, it's convenient when you're not around and I'm taking the kids, like you're staying at this party and you're not coming home. Oh, it's fine. And I'm taking care of the kids now. But, um,

But he also might have been pulling back because he might have been like, I don't think I'm going to marry her. And I don't want her to get so close to the kids. So those texting fights were very relatable. And also leaving all the messages. That's the other thing. Like I had a joke a long time ago about one of my favorite datelines, Secrets of Silver Lake, where I always said,

This is why, you know, what's suspicious about maybe the wife knowing that her boyfriend's going to kill her husband is because when he doesn't come home after she made a beautiful meal, she keeps leaving a message like, hey, sweetie pie.

The lasagna's bubbling up. Don't know where you are. I'm like, anybody that's made a lasagna and your husband's not coming home, let alone not answering the phone. Where the fuck are you? I fucking made this lasagna. Like, I literally, I didn't know where Peter was the other day. And I'm like, are you golfing or fucking or both? What the fuck is going on? He's like, I'm doing this. And then I'm like, it's supposed to be in the calendar. And I look and I'm like, oh, it's in the calendar. Whatever. But I was like, yeah, you just are like,

There just comes a time where if you're a little not too busy or whatever, and so she leaves all those messages because she's like, oh, you just went in there and there's some other girl and I'm fucking done. So I think, yeah, if she knew, yeah, I'm going to fucking kill you, hits him, and then it's like, no, you would be like, you either wouldn't leave any messages or you'd leave the messages like, hey, sweetie, where are you? Hey, beautiful. It was like,

Yeah. And that was one of the things that didn't ring genuine. Hey, sweetie, I couldn't get Papa's basket from the hickory farm, but I did want it. So I'm going to see you soon, sweetie pie. And the next day he's like, hi, I'd like to install my porn again that my bitch wife took off the TV. So like, anyway. So all of that. And Karen Reid was not doing that, right? She was screaming like, you fucking piece of shit. You're cheating on me. You're cheating on me. You're cheating on me.

she wouldn't stop calling him. And that's why all the Boston women love it. Like, that's how you treat a man. That's exactly what you're supposed to do. I would call that motherfucker up and I would tell him, you piece of shit. Where the fuck are you? Like, I mean, this is Boston at its finest. But also, is it weird that when she walked into the bar and the Higgins guy texted her like, hello, well, like, we're flirting. And she knew the Higgins guy was going to be there. So I wonder if she was kind of like,

Do we have to go to the after party? That's why she didn't want to go in the house. Do we really have to do this? We've gone to 14 places. I've had 85 drinks. Do we have to tie one more on at this party? And there's nothing like going to a party like that, like a house party, when it's like, maybe we should have called it a night. You walk in and it's awkward. So she was kind of like... And she said all the lights were off. Yeah. I mean, enough for nothing. Cops and their wives.

I don't know what was going on in the house, but you're not getting together after a night of drinking and having fun at 3 a.m.,

to just have more drinks. Well, it wasn't 3M, so it was 12.40. Still very late, yeah. You finished the bars and now we're going back to a home? Why? We know what an after party at a house consists of. That's drug time. Yeah. So you think they're... Okay, so then... Yeah, 100%. Jennifer McCabe, worst friend in the world. Worst friend in the world, but maybe best sister-in-law. Maybe she's the best sister-in-law and the best sister because it's her sister, this girl, Jen McCabe, who was on the stand, who was...

supposedly a good friend of John who's died and Karen, she, you know, of course, I believe they all know what happened to him. We will never know if he went down the basement and some fight happened and the dog also attacked him at the same time. And then he was like, fuck you weirdos. And then he slipped on the ice and fell and died and they thought he left.

We don't know if they moved him out there and threw him in that weird spot. I don't think anyone in the house was like, oh my God, he's dead. Karen dropped him off. Let's make it that Karen hit him with her car. I don't think that's possible. I think something happened. I don't think she hit him and killed him. I think something happened where-

I feel like he was walking out and was already very injured. Like after he was assaulted? After he was assaulted, he left. And then they were just like, and they weren't concerned that he walked out by himself. No, they weren't. And then when they find, or maybe when the guy Higgins left and saw him there was like, holy shit, he's in the snow. I'm fucking going to go to the police department, throw away this, do this, whatever he was doing at the police department after that.

It's we'll never know. Like, but the other question is, could all these people keep a secret and work on this together? Well, they were working on it because we know they were texting and calling each other. Yes. But Kate Casey said something and she said, yeah, Irish Americans do this. And I'm like coming from an Irish Catholic family.

Oh, yeah. It is a lot of like, you know, let's not talk about like it's done and we take to the grave whenever. I mean, think about the Kennedys. They were both fucking Marilyn Monroe and like nobody knew. And that wasn't weird. They had fucking orgies, allegedly. Yeah. At the White House. And we and people, they kept it amongst themselves. The dad was a serial cheater. Think that he was killed by the grassy knoll theory. Like, bitch, he wasn't. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like they will keep a conspiracy down. Yes. The Irish. But with

With that, no, I do think, I mean, look at my favorite movie, The Townies, The Town. Oh, The Town. When Ben Affleck says to the other guy, we got to go hurt some people. Don't ask me about it. And he goes, what call are we taking? That's Boston. Like, I don't need to know the details. What do you need me to do? The neighbor across the street, he had a camera facing the house.

They never got that footage. And then when they asked for it, it was gone. Now that neighbor could have loved his guy across the street, Albert, or he should have known, oh, you know, I'm not, I don't want, like Chris Frangell always says that his dad was like, shut the door. Like if someone was fighting on the lawn, it's not a problem. He was probably like, I don't want anything to do with that because if I do something wrong, if I give the footage and they're indicted, guess what? They're going to pull up whatever.

or like, oh, you're trying to get a permit to add an addition to your house. We know who to keep that from happening. So I think, yeah, I think there's a lot of that that grew up that way. And I don't think anyone intentionally...

killed him, wanted him to die. No, it wasn't premeditated. And that was also the problem with what's wrong with the Boston cops is that instead of just taking her up on her, a generous offer of her just being like, I don't know, I was blacked out. I guess maybe I could have harmed him and then he just passed out in the snow.

So instead of just getting her on a manslaughter, involuntary manslaughter and giving her five years with the DUI, they had to get her on first degree murder as if she woke up that morning like, you know what I'm going to do? I'm going to go down and I'm going to murder John. Because I want to be with ugly Higgins with his thick neck. And who was the guy? Let's not forget the guy who drove onto a military base and threw his phone into a dumpster in the acid. And he's like, yeah, no, it's like.

You took the SIM card out, put it in one place, the other. Because that's what you do when you get a new phone. That's what you do. You know what I did? I drove over state lines. I put up a vat of cement. I threw my SIM card in it and then I threw it and took it out into a yacht and threw it into the ocean. That's what Apple said to do. I mean, yeah, that's what I want to say. Just this. Julie and I lived in Portland for a month in October.

There was some dubious characters on the street. It was a lovely street. And the people that were dubious were also lovely. We had a wonderful time with them. We ourselves can be dubious characters, especially late at night. And it was late at night. Although we didn't drink that month. No. We did do copious amounts of different drugs. And we heard five specific straight up gunshots.

Five. Yeah. Two or three doors down. Then a ton of yelling. Yep. Cars peeling out. Uh-huh. And we were like this. Don't move. No. And it was like, Julie's like...

I'm going to go turn the light off. I was like, if you fucking turn the light off, I am going to kill you. We're going to sit here at midnight. Yeah, because you don't want them to be alerted that you might have heard or done something. You want it to be like, you want them to think you weren't even home. Right. Don't even remind them of you two doors down. Nothing. We're just like this. We're like, don't move. For two hours, we're just like,

And they were like, if the cops come to the door, just say we heard nothing. And Julie can't, like, she's like trying to reach over to the window. And I was like, if you touch the window, she can't. The window is open. Just like the screen was there. Yeah, I was like, don't touch the window. And we were just like, if the cops come, I was like, we are not saying we heard anything. Like, we don't want any part of this. I'm sorry for the person who lost their life. Then the cops are going to come and they're like, knock, knock. Good evening, officer. Yeah.

Oh, I was just asleep. What just happened? Did something happen? Yeah. I mean, I can see why you don't want to be a helpful witness in this case. It just has nothing to do with you. Yeah. It is sad. It's like the woman who tried and weakened at Bernie's. This thing with Karen Reed was literally like it was very weekend at Bernie's-esque.

Yeah. I mean, it was. And it was that drunken of like, you know, yeah, I do believe she said, I hit him, I hit him, I think I hit him. I do believe she said that. I do. And they were like, great. You know, like, great. I'm glad she thinks that. And...

Yeah, it's going to get real good. The Proctor guy who's already been removed from being the head investigator on the case, they pulled up his text messages about her to his friends. He had a group chat like they'd have in the Valley with those guys. And it was like, did you see any nudes yet? No nudes. Is she hot? Is she hot? And it's like, yeah, but no ass. And she's sitting there like listening to the text going as she's sitting there like,

And calling her crazy. But I do think she loves the limelight and I think that's okay. I don't think she, what, you think she wants to go back to being a professor after this? Hell to the no. She will have a podcast or she'll be on the Real Housewives of Boston or both. Why there isn't a Real Housewives of Boston? It's happening. I'm telling you. It should. That's the next prediction. Are you insane? I already predicted that one and that she should be on it.

I hope that you're right. Or she'll be the new Nancy Grace. She'll get off and she should be on it. She 100% should be on it. I mean... The new Nancy Grace is good. You know what? She deserves it. She's being dragged. Hit her with the DUI or whatever she's actually guilty with and let's move on. It was interesting in the HBO thing where she sees a ring camera of him moving the car so that she could get out or whatever. And she's like, oh, that's the last time he drove the car. She goes, I used to feel sad about it, but now...

like I'm just fighting for my life. And it was just sort of weirdly funny because it was like, I used to feel sad about it, but then it was like, I felt there was this little bit of like, but you really fucked me up. Like, why did you even have to go in there? Like, why did you even have to go in there? Why did we have to go to the after party? But then she also was like, even her dad was like, why don't you stay home tonight? Yeah. And she's like, no, it's Friday night, dad. Yeah. It's going to be a blizzard. Yeah. I don't want to not be with my boyfriend so he can be with somebody else. Like, I don't want to be alone in a blizzard. Like I want to be,

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The theme is wear black cocktail. My prediction is that she will be wearing red. Oh, cute. Because Oprah did that. When Oprah turned 50, she had a big fabulous party in Santa Barbara. Everyone was told to wear black and she showed up in red. I think she's going to be in gold. Oh, okay.

Because of, obviously, because of Good as Gold. True. True dat. Now, Julie and I were... I think you could win on that. When we did the Vanderpump After Show, the one single illustrious season. Yes. It was... The season popped off. This was from 2015. I don't remember. Was it season five or something? And it was her 30th birthday because it was in 2015. So the whole thing was her 30th and her big 30th birthday. And now it's her 40th. And it's just crazy how...

Time flies and how the people from Vanderpump have children now. And it's just, it's just crazy to think about. So last night's episode was great. And it they're in Santa Barbara and they,

And Jax is in his rehab and Brittany's like, I thought I could have a nice weekend. I guess they give him back his phone after he comes back from group. And they're showing the rage texting and, you know, where it's like, it's not like one long paragraph. It's like, boom, boom, boom, boom.

I have experienced that from Jax because I had Lala on the show a couple months ago and we cut a clip of her saying,

about everything that we're seeing now that Brittany does everything Brittany had to move out of the house Brittany you know and that at that time it was Lala's opinion that he was not father of the year okay so he then got upset with me and was like this isn't true I'm with my son every day blah blah blah blah blah and um

And honestly, I just, it, my heart was in my throat. I can't even imagine now what every, all of them go through. Cause there's something about it, knowing him and liking him, but then getting this, it's like, oh my God. And so I, I did go, I'm taking it down. I'm removing it because I also thought if he's saying Brittany and I are in a good place, like, you know, and so I was like, oh fuck, this is going to cause them problems. Then Brittany writes me and she's like, oh my God.

oh my God, I don't know why Jax did that. Like, just ignore him. That is not true. And I'm so sorry that Lala told me that, you know, da da da, that he was texting you. And I'm so sorry you have to experience the Texas. Oh my God. But I was like, look, I want him to be doing better, but it's like every time I see anything that he does, it's like, he's like,

Was I a good husband? No. Was I the worst? No. You know, what did I do? Something that every other guy would do. Yeah. When you find out that your wife is doing that, are there worse men than me? Maybe, but I'm like, it's like a car. Like I'm like, okay. Yeah. Why are you interviewing yourself and then admitting that you're terrible?

I do think that he was he's in a voluntary rehab where they I guess they don't take your phone away, which is, you know, that's one of the key things in recovery. I would think at first is like in detox is like you got to give that phone up because the phone is really big part of like the toxic process.

train. Yeah, he's seeing everybody having fun in Santa Barbara on the show that he created and he says that to her. He's like, you've ruined my life. You took my job away. Yeah. Because of course, that's why people get so mad when they're not invited to something. Why Zach has such a chip that he didn't get invited to the Baby Moon and Big Bear. And I feel for him. Because it's like, now I've missed three days of filming. And you took, that's a paycheck too. Yeah. If they don't,

They get paid for those days and it's, and they're really disappointed. It's every second of camera time they don't get into really, I think it's important as we're all in 2025 to at least see that part of like, and for Jax, he did spend a good deal of time, like getting the show onto the air. He does need to heal. And I do think not having your phone, because it isn't about just being impulsively being able to,

yell at someone or even if he wasn't yelling, because I think a lot of it is him saying, please tell me it's not true. He finds out in rehab that she's

with the friend or he saw the iPad where she gets with the friend and she's dating him. No, that happened before he went to rehab. That's why he's... But then just being fake to me isn't true. That's why he acted so crazy and why then she got the producers and everything involved where it's like you have to go. Okay. So he's, I think he's blaming her for having him be in this place where he can't be filming the show and be in Santa Barbara because she's the one

that shared that when he found out that she had sent nudes and maybe a picture, like a cute picture of her with Cruz. Yeah. That to his one-time friend, that's when he flipped the table. Yeah. Now he would say, I flipped the table. I didn't mean for it to hurt, hit her knee.

But she, you know, says yes. And that wasn't the first time that he's like gotten physical with inanimate objects or whatever. Yeah. And that's a step to something that could be worse. So let's thank God that she didn't, you

You know, it's like whenever you hear about things, it's always like, well, first it started with, you know, verbal. Then it was throw. Then it was punching walls. Then it was throwing up against the wall. Then it was, you know, choking me. Then it was, you know, and so it's like, so she she was doing him a favor, too. And like, I got to stop you before my my sitting back and allowing it to happen is going to be enabling. It's going to make you worse. Yeah. Yeah. And he had gone, he said, when she moved out.

he had hit bottom and was, you know, like on a bender in his house. Like he needed something to get him out of that. And so, but I feel like in rehab or just when you're trying to recover, it's not going to do anyone any good to be able to

even if you're just needing, even if you're not yelling at someone, even if all you need is reassurance, you have to find out from your, you have to reassure yourself. You have to go back to basics alone where the alcohol doesn't help you, the blow, the whatever, the opioids, whatever it is, like that's part of recovery. So I know he went to a voluntary one, I guess, where he can leave at any time. And that's maybe why they didn't take the phone. But

It's just he has to find the place within himself where she can't be sending him a care package. She doesn't need to send him a care package. She doesn't owe him that. Why are you checking up on me? The narcissistic traits are obviously classic. And then next week they show her and she's sitting there with Zach and she goes,

Oh, he says, I'm actually not narcissistic. I'm bipolar. She's like, I mean, there is something funny about it. Like there is something for where they're all getting the jacks. He's such an amazing reality show character. It's like, but we, it's not fun when we know that it's like,

hurting his partner. So it's like, that's where people lose it. Like we don't care that he stole glasses or got drunk or had three nose jobs or even cheated on people when, before he was married. But it's like with this, it's just, um, but it's, it's so juicy. And can we just talk about, um,

The nicest guy on reality TV, Janet's husband. Like Janet's husband? Yeah. What a doll. Please. And he was so nice to us that night. Don't change this man. Remember at the premiere? Party. He's such a delight. He's such a delight. And he's so genuine. Yeah. Yeah. He really is. I do think Janet is...

really nice too. I think she's good. They're trying to give her a villain edit and go right ahead because I'm going to be so here for that. But I do think with like her friends, like she's a pretty caring, like dependable, like nice friend. Yeah. Yeah. The show is so good. It's so good. Their relationships are so good. Their fights are so good. Their drama is so good. Cause they're so real. Like the Zach, the gay best friend character of Zach is,

And his little, and being jealous and crying and hold my hand, hold my hand. I'm vulnerable and everything. But, but the fact that the other girl, Jasmine goes and it's like, here, here's a little puppet of your fake boyfriend. I'm like, listen, we've watched everyone from Kenya's fake boyfriends. So many housewives have had fake boyfriends. Right. Zach, I don't believe that this. Now, why don't you believe it? Cause he's. I mean, I believe.

believe that he's with this that he likes this guy but like the guy is married and in Canada and then he was like well he's an immigrant and I was like what like oh that's like the first when he starts to talk about it you think like that he was thrown out like he was like someone like ice came to the house and they were like cuddling and they took his boyfriend from him and threw him to like back to El Salvador and then he's like well he's Canadian so he whatever his his visa air it

And the other problem is that he's already married. Already married. And in Canada, that's legal. You know what I mean? That's legal. So he's really married. So he's married and it's, yeah. And then it's like, but let's, since we can't FaceTime because they were like, probably like,

we'll give you this little doll. And everyone's like, how cute, we love it. And they're like, I mean, you're fine on your own. You don't need to fake a relationship, Zach. Like you're a good time. Great time. He's a great time. And every single one of them, it's just, it's so good. Even the douche, douche of all time. Jesse. Jesse. Mega douche. King douche is so enjoyable. I like enjoy him so much. It's literally as if it's written in a script or sketch.

At one point, he's having a conversation with like Kristen, whoever, and he like picks up an espresso and he's like, like, I swear he's like Dr. Evil. He it's when have you ever seen? I mean, honestly, go back in your mind and all of housewives, all of summer house, all of Southern Charter and see someone pick up a tiny espresso and drink it. That's where we do have to give Jax his props, because when he was trying to get the show off the air for two years, he what this was a guy he modeled with.

They knew them. Like he knew they would be gold. Like he knew he'd be gold. He knew like, so, you know, and I can see why they were friends at one time or whatever. And how they also probably are like, who cares when they're, when they're not aiding each other. But the, the, the guy's chat thing and how that whole thing went down and him saying, and then he's like,

So the guy chat thing, Jesse says, oh, well, my soon-to-be ex-wife is making $1,500 a night, Michelle, and sleeping with a billionaire. And then when they address it at Dave & Buster's in Northridge, which is such a fucking good time. I used to go with the boys. He's like, yeah, I made it up. And then he's like, the fact...

that she's acting this way is just selfish. Selfish? You are spreading a rumor in a group chat with 20 men that can tell other people this, which then gets on the show, which is not true. Like, no, you are the worst. At least make it five grand a night, too. I know. You call your wife a hooker in basically a locker room. You know what I mean? You're in a locker room chat. Right. Which is with a group of guys. You're sitting around...

When you know what we know, locker room talk, grab women by the pussies. We know that that's locker room talk. So now you're telling all these guys that your ex or your soon to be ex is a hooker. I never knew he made it up. I miss that. I mean, Peter has a group chat. Is it like that? I don't know. But he was reading it to me this morning and it was so fucking boring. Was it all about golf? No, it was. They were supposed to meet. He brought home a half a burrito for me, which was very nice.

And I go, why did you go out to like a real like breakfast joint and get like a half a burrito or whatever? He's like, well, one of the guys might want to buy this car of ours or whatever. And so they were making plans to meet at the breakfast place. And then some person called it sunrise, but he really meant sun rose. And so that person went there and Peter went somewhere else. And the other person is doing the intermediate –

whatever where you can't eat till 11. So, and he said, he goes, I don't want to go to the joy place. Look at that coffee's $7. And he goes, then Peter goes, no, it's not. It's $5. And I'm like this. This is why we love Peter. I go, I go, I go your group chat.

in the canal valley is not as good as the east valley next time peter go on and say i'm a hooker because i can't with how boring your friends are just peter but it's a secret chat where yeah yeah titties ham hooker butt stuff so yeah so um it's so good it's so good they shot the reunion because the two girls are ready to give birth

So they had to do it. Kristen, Kristen, and... How exciting. I love Nia. I love the child actor voiceover husband who gets drunk and says, get daddy a drink. To the lesbians. The layers, the levels and the layers. Please, Jesus, Lord, sweet Jesus, let him get drunk around me and say, get daddy a drink. And Julie would pop right off and get him a drink. Because you know when it's... I live, I live. Well, it's... Yeah. I live. I say, here, here, daddy.

It's funny because Lala mentioned this, that Alex Baskin, who does the Vanderpump show and now this one, he said he'd get like a pittance of her anxiety when he would like hear that something went down, but the cameras weren't there. And it's like, well, because they are real friends, because they have real relationships. I mean, I remember being at Lala's house for like Ocean's third birthday or something. And she was like,

oh, I just got into it with Brittany and Jack. So this was like a year ago. I'm like, what happened? And it was like sharing of a nanny. And they felt that like Lala had like, was kind of stealing the nanny. And then I'm analyzing and I'm like, well, you're pregnant. I go, so, you know, you might be able to provide full time for that nanny and then they'll lose her completely. So maybe that's why

they're angry. And then she was like, no, I mean, it's just a, and I was like, oh my God, this is, this is the valley. This is like, this happens. Like when you're trying to share like a housekeeper or a nanny or like anybody, like your hair girl, like, well now I, if I introduced you to my hair girl, she's going to be less available for me. And then you're like, why are you gatekeeping? And why are you keeping business from the hair girl? Why are you such a bitch? Like, it's so amazing. Yeah. Yeah. Well,

Alex Baskin has done and then the showrunners have done like a great job of like in the past and when we've worked on reality narrative reality shows like this they will if you if you don't have it on camera we're not going to talk about it and I and I think that's totally dumb and they do a great job of just being like

And they do it on Potomac, too. They'll use like diagrams and cartoons. But it's like, just let someone tell the story. Things happen all the time where then you have to just gossip about it. And the cameras don't need to be there. Yeah. You know, and we don't need to see him say, get daddy a drink. He admitted it. She admitted it. Then they're all saying that he changes when he gets drunk. So now I think they are good where they're like.

bring up the group. They probably to the producers probably told him, bring up the group chat with this thing. The fact that they even have that. And then, yeah. And then Luke, then they told Luke, Hey, bring it up with Brittany and Kristen. And they just do it, you know? And then they're like, and Brittany, bring it up at the thing. And it's like, they know to do that to keep the ball rolling. Cause they're vets at this. They're good. And then the newbies want it to be good too. And I had a thing of where I think the producers are on the group chat.

the male producers, maybe one or two is on there. So then they're privy to like the antics and the sexism, which is allowed in. Well, he said, I mean, I had to appreciate where he's like, it's all guys. We say what's in the group chat is really gross.

We know that it's like that. We're just, that's what it's for. And you know, it's like, you know what? They deserve a safe space for that. They deserve a safe space for that. Like we deserve our safe spaces. They should have their gross safe spaces. Right. Their gross space. And we don't need to, and the problem is that

you need to keep that shit buttoned up. That's the problem. We don't want to know about it. Oh my God, that group chat is so disgusting. Like she is just, and she's like, oh, she's just so fun. I love that she's become such a huge star and this is her career and it's her life. And,

Of course she's not going to move to Kentucky and leave it. This is her way of providing for her son and herself for the rest of her life. If she goes to Kentucky, we're just going to follow her there. Yeah. She's a good personality and she's a good spokesperson for things in that mommy, young, 30-something. She's got a big future. He's a lot of my life. I just love my son. He's a lot of my life. One little thing I wanted to say in another simple favor, which I have not said.

But there is a line in it, someone showed the clip, where she comes, Blake Lively's character come and addresses Anna, what's her name? Kendrick. Anna Kendrick. And then as she turns around, she says, I'm going to sue you to oblivion. Now that is significant because Brian Friedman, who represents Justin Baldoni,

said that when she brought her case first he said i'm going to sue you to oblivion and they're so then people that are really covering this are like oh this is interesting she's pulling a ryan reynolds where ryan did the whole nice in nice pool made fun of deadpool deadpool yeah in deadpool made had a nice pool character making fun of justin so i watched the clip and they're like oh my god i can't believe i'm like no they put this in in post

Because in the clip, she turns around. Oh, they're just like the ADR where it's like, I'm going to sue you to oblivion. Yeah. But still, she got that in there because I think she is a producer on it. And she got that one little dig in it. And I'm sure once I do watch it, I'll probably find a couple other little Easter eggs that

But I don't think it was ever in the script and I don't think they filmed it in real time. I think it was in a post thing because. Did you like the first one? Because I like. I loved the first one. And I'm, I'm, whatever someone wants to review on this, I skip those videos because I don't want the spoiler. I actually want to watch it. What's your plan? Because you're quite busy. Are you? Well, can I watch this on TV? I can because it's prime. I don't have to go to a movie theater. Yeah, but you're just going to do it one night.

Yeah, I've got to do it. Maybe this weekend. I don't know. Our favorite thing is for you to watch Trash and then be like, this is garbage and text us. I've heard this is not good. I've heard so. But I 100% will watch it. And visually, it'll be fun. Yeah. Because, you know, they're fun to watch. And also it's in Capri and all that good stuff. But yeah. Yeah.

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