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Forum from the Archives: What Does Wilderness Mean in our Modern World?

2025/2/17
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Alexis Madrigal
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Aparna Rajagopal
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Christopher
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Marissa Ortega-Welch
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Phoebe Young
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Alexis Madrigal: 我在荒野中的体验是矛盾的,既感受到与神圣自然的连接,又意识到支持这种体验的人类系统的存在。我常常思考着让我能够拥有这种自由漫步体验的复杂的人类系统,并对此感到矛盾。我喜欢《How Wild》这个播客,因为它探讨了如何热爱并尝试改变一个复杂且具有历史建构性的事物——荒野。 Marissa Ortega-Welch: 荒野地区是国家公园或其他公共土地中受到额外保护的部分,进入这些区域需要遵守《荒野法案》。《荒野法案》的关键在于保护未开发、自然且提供独处和原始娱乐的场所,同时确保这些区域不受人类操纵。关于红杉国家公园的火灾,管理者认为虽然闪电引发的火灾看似自然,但由于长期抑制火灾和气候变化的影响,这些火灾的条件并不自然,因此决定干预并恢复这些地区。重要的是,‘untrammeled’一词具有前瞻性,关注我们未来如何对待土地,而不是土地过去是否受到干扰。《荒野法案》中没有‘原始’这个词,因此受保护的土地不一定是原始的,关键在于我们如何对待它们。 Phoebe Young: 从欧洲的角度来看,荒野是一个不受控制的地方。随着欧洲人开始控制北美,那些不受控制的空间变得越来越珍贵,在20世纪,这些原始的、未受触及的地方被认为是应该保护的。欧洲人进入这些空间并控制它们的同时,也在将原住民从这些土地上移除。《荒野法案》是最严格的保护措施,旨在防止娱乐主义者的开发,并改变了这些土地的管理方式。我仍然能从中受益,但我更加认识到创造这个空间并让我能够进入这个空间的所有因素,这增强了我的感激之情,并渴望与人们分享如何思考这些空间。我们可以重构自然意味着什么,以及谁属于那里的不同故事。 Aparna Rajagopal: 我曾经完全相信荒野的理念,我的印度家庭认为,成为美国人的一种方式就是去露营。过去我相信这些地方是原始和未受触及的,现在我为自己曾经的信念感到羞愧,因为我需要去了解这些地方的历史。对我来说,与荒野的连接与与社区的连接密不可分,因为我总是与家人在一起,并且我渴望与他人分享敬畏之情。访问荒野存在许多障碍,包括交通、许可证、互联网和经济能力。在这些地方,你总是与其他人互动,并且总是存在归属感的障碍。我们既可以在这些地方体验奇迹和敬畏,又可以保持反思和批判的态度,我们应该尊重人们连接荒野的不同方式。我总是在与植物和动物交谈,感觉自己一直与社区在一起。

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This chapter explores the definition of wilderness, contrasting its legal definition under the Wilderness Act of 1964 with the feeling of being in nature. It discusses the conflicts between our expectations of pristine wilderness and the reality of human impact, including climate change and historical land management.
  • Wilderness areas receive extra protection under the Wilderness Act of 1964, surpassing that of national parks.
  • The act defines wilderness as undeveloped, natural areas offering solitude and primitive recreation.
  • The term 'untrammeled' signifies freedom from human manipulation, sparking debate about the role of human intervention in managing natural landscapes.

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A century ago, the United States designated its first wilderness area – a place to be forever preserved and protected from human impact. But what does “wilderness” mean in the era of smartphone technology that keeps us constantly connected and human-fueled climate change? And who gets to enjoy these “untrammeled” spaces? These are the questions posed by environmental journalist Marissa Ortega-Welch in her podcast “How Wild.” We talk with Ortega-Welch, an environmental historian, and an outdoor educator about the complex history and future of our wildest landscapes. And we hear from you: What does wilderness mean for you?

Guests:

**Marissa Ortega-Welch, **science and environmental journalist, host of the podcast "How Wild"

**Phoebe Young, **professor of environmental history and chair of the history department, University of Colorado Boulder; author, "Camping Grounds: Public Nature in American Life from the Civil War to the Occupy Movement"

**Aparna Rajagopal, **founding partner, The Avarna Group