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Hi, I'm Morgan Sung, host of Close All Tabs from KQED, where every week we reveal how the online world collides with everyday life. You don't know what's true or not because you don't know if AI was involved in it. So my first reaction was, ha ha, this is so funny. And my next reaction was, wait a minute, I'm a journalist. Is this real? And I think we will see a Twitch streamer president, maybe within our lifetimes. You can find Close All Tabs wherever you listen to podcasts. From KQED.

From KQED in San Francisco, I'm Mina Kim. Coming up on Forum, we offer our stage to another talented California artist, Dani Offline, whose dreamy new single, Desire, that you're hearing now, started as a musical project in her bedroom on her laptop and evolved to encompass a full band. We talk with Offline about the freedom of being a self-produced musician and how her love of literature inspires her. It's all part of Forum's live musical performance series, highlighting rising stars. Join us. ♪

I'm hungry one up if I'm down and why not rest I can get so lonely and so deep

Welcome to Forum. I'm Mina Kim. Warm and hypnotic, Dani Offline's melodies have been almost entirely written, produced, and recorded in her bedroom. The Oakland-based comparative literature Ph.D. at Cal sold out two back-to-back shows at SFJAZZ last month as part of the Noise Pop Festival. Offline is now celebrating the release of a new single. Her soothing, introspective sound is the perfect antidote for these frenetic times. Offline starts us off now with her song, Feelings.

♪ Things grow stronger to be honest ♪ ♪ Be more cautious ♪ ♪ Just give me a little bit of love ♪ ♪ Look into my eyes ♪ ♪ It's like you can read my mind ♪ ♪ Talking in the car ♪ ♪ You say what's wrong baby ♪ ♪ Something's up with you ♪

When I try to tell you how I'm feeling I bite my tongue, emotions are to see Try to speak but regret everything You got this hold, you got this hold on me Things grow stronger, try to be honest, care

When I try to tell you how I'm feeling I buy my

Emotions are deceiving I try to speak Regret everything you You gotta hold on me Things grow strong Try to be honest Cautious A little bit low Ba ba ba ba ba

just give me a little bit of love

That's my guest, musical artist Dani Offline on vocals and keys. She's joined by David Exame on electric bass and Carson Freitas on drums and percussion. Welcome all of you to Forum. That song, Feelings, Dani, it's about being in love, falling in love? Yeah, it's about falling in love, I think, and...

being afraid to be vulnerable. I definitely wrote it after being, I was in a new relationship and, you know, just in that very like in love phase where you're stopping pretending to be someone else. And that's really scary. It can be scary to be yourself finally, but it's a good feeling when you finally get to that place in a relationship and

And so that's kind of why I wrote the song, being in all of that. So you write, produce, and record your songs yourself primarily, right? In your bedroom, on a laptop. Talk about your process. Yeah, I do. So normally I start by writing songs at the piano or the guitar. And then once I have the idea and the shape of the song, then I'll just sit at my computer and produce around it and kind of like adorn the song and arrange it. And is that...

A preferred method? Is it partly out of necessity or was it partly out of necessity? Yeah, it's like you can read my mind. It was definitely out of necessity at first. I think I got very used to it because I like working alone. I like making music alone. I feel like I can be more vulnerable. Right.

But lately, I've been recording more in recording studios and being able to collaborate more. And that's a lot of fun. What do you feel like it adds to your music to be so self-produced, to have all of those elements be something that you're putting together? Yeah, that's a good question. I think...

Definitely, it makes my music a little bit more me, I think, because for a long time when I was trying to figure out what my sound was, I was just making it by myself and not knowing what I was doing and having to be intuitive. So I think I'm glad that I started off that way because now I have a process and I know it feels good and I can make music just how I want to make it.

You, I notice, do write about love a lot. You write a lot of love songs and I notice you excel at them as well. So have you long written love songs? Yeah, I think the first song I ever, ever wrote, I was probably like 12 and I had a crush on this boy. And I think it's just force of habit. I mean, whenever I'm writing music, it's normally because I feel like I can't say those words in real life.

Like the song is kind of like a message in a bottle. And with my friends and stuff, I feel like I can just tell them anything. But somehow in romantic relationships, I feel like writing music is just...

Maybe it's a crutch. Maybe it's just how I get my emotions out. But I think that's why so many of my songs are love songs. I think it makes total sense that that's where you're sort of excavating your feelings and in a super safe space. Yeah, I really like it really does feel like a message in a bottle, especially writing about a relationship after it's over. I think there's kind of a weird sense of

I don't know. I like to think that whenever I write a song, I'm writing about myself. And I think that, you know, it's inspired by my romantic relationships. But it is nice to think, oh, this is a message that maybe that person will never hear. Maybe they will. But it's just for me. Well, the next song we're going to hear is called I Believe You. Yeah. So that's an example of that. Tell us how. Tell us how. Yeah. I mean, I was... Yeah, I don't know. I was just seeing somebody and it was...

and weird and felt really real when we were together. And then when we weren't together, it was almost like I didn't know them. Like I would just not really hear from them. I think because we were both doing our own thing. And so I think after it ended, I had more time to process. And honestly, I don't even...

know if he knows that the song is about that situation. But, you know, it was just for me. I needed to get my emotions out. I had no desire to say any of this to that person. But it felt good to put it in a song. And the EP it's on is called Mirror. What about Mirror? I feel like I'm hearing some connections. Yeah, so Mirror is a lot about perception and seeing yourself through someone else's eyes in love, whether that's

pretending to be the person that you think they want you to be or falling in love with yourself by falling in love with another person and seeing them fall in love with you. And I believe you was kind of inspired by the first example, I think, of knowing that something is an illusion, but loving it anyway and just kind of surrendering to that.

We're talking with Dani Offline and joined live in the studio as she performs songs after selling out two back-to-back shows at SF Jazz last month as part of Noise Pop, now celebrating the release of a new single. Let's hear, though, your previous song from your EP, Mirror, I Believe You. I have a feeling that you're like this with everyone

♪ I have a feeling, this feeling ♪ ♪ I've never felt for anyone ♪ ♪ Don't usually do this ♪ ♪ Inconsistency makes me question ♪ ♪ Should probably think through this ♪ ♪ But I never learned my lesson ♪ ♪ Baby I've tried ♪ ♪ But I can't seem to believe ♪ ♪ And what the craziest part is ♪

You always seem to let me know I like you so much I want you so bad No, I'm not naive I think I understand I like you so much I want you so bad You're not the real thing But when you kiss I believe you I believe you I believe you I wanna believe you I believe you

I think I need to I know this feeling like summer air and early spring kinda deceiving this feeling is something just beginning we're kissing we're kissing for hours I like that disappearance

and I can feel my mind begin to question reality dreams that you sell to me think I feel dizzy falling I like you so much I want you so bad no I'm not naive I think I understand I like you so much I want you so bad you're not a few kiss like that I believe you I believe

I believe you. I will believe you. I believe you.

Hi, I'm Morgan Sung, host of Close All Tabs from KQED, where every week we reveal how the online world collides with everyday life. You don't know what's true or not because you don't know if AI was involved in it. So my first reaction was, ha ha, this is so funny. And my next reaction was, wait a minute, I'm a journalist. Is this real? And I think we will see a Twitch streamer president, maybe within our lifetimes. You can find Close All Tabs wherever you listen to podcasts. Welcome back to Forum. I'm Mina Kim.

And you're listening to a live musical performance with Danny Offline, David Exame on electric bass, and Carson Freitas on drums and percussion. And this song that we're about to hear is called Lust for Life. Hot summer night TV set, bedsheets, clothes, kiss me for July. Selfless and tender, I want to see the world through your eyes.

Try to surrender, you overwhelm me with a lusty eye. Swimming, coming up, come and take a shower. A shower, selfless and tender, I wanna see the world. Try to surrender, overwhelm me with a lust for life. Life.

♪ Red hot summer leaves can change so can I ♪ ♪ Never felt so good ♪ ♪ So happy I could cry ♪

You just heard the song Lust for Life by Oakland-based artist Dani Offline. Part of Forum's live musical performance series highlighting rising stars. Listeners, join the conversation. What questions do you have for Dani Offline? What does her music remind you of? What reactions are you having to her sound? You can email forum at kqed.org. Find us on Blue Sky, Facebook, Instagram, Threads, at kqedforum. You can call us at kqed.org.

866-733-6786, 866-733-6786. Dani, listening to you, wondering who your musical influences are, people who have been big in your life in terms of shaping the types of music that you love and the way that you want to perform it.

I love this question. I definitely grew up listening to a lot of jazz through my parents. You know, my dad and his dad really loved Sarah Vaughan. And so she's definitely a really big vocal influence.

And then, you know, my mom, both my parents are like, they love 70s music. They were, you know, my age in that time. And so through my mom listening to like the Delphonics and the New Birth and Marvin Gaye and stuff like that. And then also kind of like, you know, 90s hip hop. Like I really love Tribe Called Quest. And I think all of these things come together somehow. You

You grew up in Birmingham, Alabama? Yeah, well, that's where I was born, but I moved around a lot as a kid. Moved around a lot and spent a lot of time in Italy. Yes, yeah. So I would always spend half the school year in Italy growing up because my mom was...

working at a university teaching architecture. And so they did like a study abroad program. And I would spend half the school year there and had to just learn Italian. And I think I did that from the time that I was six until, yeah, through high school. Wow. So then, I mean, did you love Italy? Oh, I love Italy. Oh, you did? I love Italy. I love Italian food. I mean, my oldest friends are there because I moved around so much. But

we would always I would always go to Italy for half the school year and then the summer so that's where like my oldest childhood friends are so then what brought you to the bay graduate school yeah I mean I knew I wanted to move to California after college um and I've you know always really loved Oakland my mom lived here when she was my age um she you know immigrated to the U.S. and um

Yeah, she lived here with my grandma and her brother. And then they moved back to D.C. eventually. But I always kind of was really interested in it. So it feels very serendipitous to be living in Oakland like my mom did. You're getting your comparative literature Ph.D. Though it does feel like music has been a really big part of your life growing up. Your family sounds really musical or just like really aware and into great music.

But you've had kind of a path where you thought about even at one point studying medicine?

Yeah. How did you know that? That's so crazy. Yeah. I mean, well, when I first came to college, I was pre-med. Wow. I'm so surprised you know that. I feel like I never talk about that. Yeah. I was pre-med and then quit that. It wasn't for me. I mean, I think I was really drawn to wanting to be a healer. I wanted to be an obstetrician gynecologist when I was like a really little kid. Yeah.

But I knew I wanted to major in a language and study literature. And I think eventually I was like, okay, let me just do what I love. And so that's the decision that I made. Yeah. And I also was studying music in school and it became very clear to me and everybody who knew me that my passions were elsewhere. And so I thought, okay, let me just do what my heart wants to do. Yeah.

Well, let's hear another song. This one is called Be My Baby. Is there anything you want to say about it before we hear it? Yeah, this one is about the apocalypse. Move around the furniture Put my keyboard by the Staying in for a Nightmares in my You only human Maybe this is Clear away Can make some space

Be my baby The world around us is ending Be my baby The world around us is crumbling Be my What more can you be my baby I'll take it What if everything we know Could just someday Disappear But you held me closer Ease away my

I can be my baby, baby, baby.

Be my baby Be my baby Baby, slow down Baby, be slow down Baby, baby, slow down Baby

We're hearing songs off of Dani Offline's EP, Mirror. She's also playing the keyboard. She's got David Exame with us on electric bass and Carson Freitas on drums and percussion. And you, our listeners, joining the conversation with your thoughts and questions about the

For Dani Offline at the email address forum at kqed.org, on our social channels at KQED Forum, and at our phone number, 866-733-6786. 866-733-6786. The Cisner writes, what a beautiful way to head into the weekend. Thank you to Dani Offline and crew. Your voice is incredible. Thank you.

So I was talking before the break about how you have come to study different things in your life. And I am curious about the role that comparative literature and if it plays a role in your music making or your writing. Oh, yeah, it definitely does. I mean, I feel like I... That's just how my brain works. Yeah, I'm thinking about these things all the time. I've always been a really big bookworm and music nerd. And so...

I feel like no matter what I do, I would always be making music. And so when you say these things, what do you mean? Like thinking about these things? Oh, yeah. I mean, I guess like the ideas in my music, the ideas that I see in books and musical ideas. Yeah, music, reading. I think I'm just, I'll always do those things forever. Do your songs...

You know, when you're writing your lyrics, do you find they start out as verse or... They do, yeah. You're good. I have my methods. No, I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding.

I'm still like trying to figure out how you knew that I was pre-med. Well, I have an incredible production team too. Yeah, but I, a lot of my songs start out as poetry first. I think I, you know, really loved poetry as a kid. I was like an eight year old submitting my poetry to Cricket magazine and stuff.

And I didn't really know how to write songs until I started taking music more seriously. But I was always writing poems. And so I think when it came time to put things to music, I just looked through my notes app at all my little notes app poems. And then they became songs.

So the new single you have out, I think it came out last week, Desire. Well, first tell us about that song, because one of the things that I was struck by, we were speaking earlier about how your process involves a lot of you, you know, writing and producing and even recording in your bedroom. But this one actually you recorded in a studio with a band. So, yes. Yeah. So we recorded Desire in a studio. It was the first time I'd ever done anything like that.

Normally, I'm always recording my music just at home at my computer. But for this album upcoming, and I think kind of maybe all my music in the future, I really just want to do it analog. There's something about the warmth, I think, of recording with a band in a studio and just

pressing record and letting the magic happen. And so that's what we did. I have David and Carson on the song and then Will, who normally plays keys, is also on. He's playing synth on the recording. And yeah, it's just all four of us. And didn't you do it in one take? Yeah, just about. I think...

I feel like we did it maybe three times and then the third time we were like, that's it. We were like, that sounds good. I think we didn't want to do it too much just to kind of like capture the magic of the song. Also, we were running out of time. We were like, we got to do other things. I've got to lay vocals and stuff. So once we did it the third time, it felt really good. And we just wanted that magic on the record. So that's how it happened. Well, let's hear that song, Desire. Desire.

If I'm hungry, why not be fed? If I'm down and out, then why not rest? I can get so lonely and so depressed I want love and care and tension Should I stay alone just to prove I can? Found my peace and lost my man Such a boring life, not afraid of

♪ And howl at the moon ♪ ♪ So just say you want me ♪ ♪ Say you need me ♪ ♪ Say you want me ♪ ♪ Say you need me ♪ ♪ Say you want me ♪ ♪ Say you need me ♪ ♪ Take your time ♪ ♪ And try these eyes ♪

If I'm thirsty then why not drink? I've been desert roaming for 40 weeks Don't you feel the same? Don't you share that it's alright? Two desires can inspire the same one Same take your time If I'm hungry why not be fed? If I'm down and out

And why not rest? I can get so lonely and so depressed. I want love and care. You're hearing a very special live musical performance with Dani Offline, part of Forum's series highlighting rising stars in California and the Bay Area. Her latest single is Desire, and that's what you just heard.

Welcome back to Forum. I'm Mina Kim. We're joined live in the studio by Dani Offline, the Oakland-based artist who sold out two back-to-back shows at SF Jazz last month as part of Noise Pop and is celebrating the release of her new single, Desire. And you, our listeners, are joining the conversation at our usual channels, at KQED Forum on socials at the phone number 866-733-6786 and at our email address, forum at kqed.org.

So Desire is part of your upcoming album, as you were saying. So tell us about this new album, its themes. Yes, yeah. So it's inspired by Roland Barthes' A Lover's Discourse. And yeah, it's called Lover's Discourse. And Desire is the first song on the album. So Lover's Discourse is...

Well, actually, can you just say a little bit about that book and its structure, just so our listeners kind of understand? Sure. So, okay. So A Lover's Discourse, oh, it's such a good book. It was published in the 70s, I want to say. And it's basically a series of chapters about scenes of discourse that happen in love. So it comes from kind of the structuralist movement where it's

interpreting literature as kind of like structuring our reality. And I read it in college and it just always stuck with me. And it really inspired the album just in terms of like thinking of different scenes of discourse and like ideas, I think, that are produced by

and the dynamics of that. And the design of being able to just sort of open it up and just sort of capture a fragment but then sort of fully understand or at least not need to have read the book, you know, from start to finish is,

Is that sort of something that you also are trying to achieve with your music? Exactly. I think so. I mean, it's my first time making an album, so it is weird thinking about it as this body of work. And I'm definitely very pro listening to albums all the way through. I think that's the best way to get to know an album. But it is also inspired by that. I want people to be able to listen to a song and feel like they know everything.

they understand what's happening in that world. Like each song kind of contains a world or a scene of discourse. Yeah. And it just isn't the way people consume music as much these days. I know, it's not. I love reading A Lover's Discourse all the way through. I think you totally can. But I think mostly what stuck to me was just this feeling of, I was saying earlier, like, wow, I read it and I felt like I'd never had an original thought or feeling ever. Like every emotion I've ever felt...

ever has been felt by somebody else and I think that can be a little disturbing at first but then when you kind of sink into it you realize that that's a good thing that you can connect with so many people over shared experiences like that yeah and is there a video to go along with the song or with the album yeah the song so the visualizer actually comes out next week

on Friday. And yeah, it's, I mean, we call it a visualizer, but it's kind of somewhere in between like a music video and a lyric video. It's also made...

Angie, who is the creative director for it, she made it by printing out like hundreds of pieces of paper and doing illustrations. And it's really cool. That's all I'll say about it. Because I was going to ask you for a little bit about what some of the visual imagery might contain. Yeah, I just, I mean, you know, I love anything offline. I really like...

taking my time with things and I think there's just something really special when you make things with your hand whether you're recording something or um

you know, developing film or I don't, I think that just make ways of making art like that are so underrated. And that is in part your name, Danny offline. Is it talk about that a little bit more? I think I'm starting to understand why it's meaningful to you. Yeah. I mean, well, it's funny because when I first really, it started off with my Instagram name. I want to be Danny online because I,

I felt like I already was myself offline and then I wanted the Instagram name, but it was already taken. And so that's why I'm Dani offline. I mean, it just really stuck. And I feel like I'm glad that it was already taken because, you know, there's something nice about, I feel like I'm much more an offline person and that's why I wanted the Instagram name in the first place.

Well, the Cisner writes, I love the theme of desire weaving through these songs together. Reminds me of another recent forum guest, Brittany Newell, who wrote Softcore. What does your guest think is the most interesting or surprising thing about desire? Oh, about desire, the emotion? Yeah.

I think.

One, I think that it really helps you understand how the distinctions between self and other, like ourself and other people, is just paper thin. Wanting something and allowing yourself to want something. I think you learn a lot about who you are as a person. I think that's maybe the most surprising and cool thing about desire. Well, I think it's time for another song, Painted. What am I but an old

question you can answer when you what am but a wilting flower i need water to survive melting like ice in a glass the minutes pass come home to me will you come home to me when you're here the time moves so fast

We never last, but you come home to me. Yeah, you hold my soul, set me free. Yours, yours, yours. I'm painted for you. Silhouette in the doorframe. A bird in a cage, a moth to a flame. Moody and behind, waiting for you.

Know that I'm the one to blame. You don't feel the same. We both play this game for two. You know that I watch the go by. There's a role to play. I'm the one who waits. I can tell myself it's fine. You know how it feels to have control.

♪ With your palm by your hand so you don't understand ♪ ♪ Feeling so alone ♪ ♪ We're melting like ice in a glass ♪ ♪ Will you come home to me ♪ ♪ Will you come home to me ♪ ♪ When you're here ♪ ♪ Time moves so fast ♪ ♪ We never last ♪ ♪ But you come home to me ♪ ♪ Yeah, you hold my soul, set me free ♪

Yours, yours, I'm painted for Silhouette in the door A bird in a cage, I'm out to hide Waiting to know that I'm the one to blame You don't feel the same, we both played this game for two Yours, yours, yours, I'm painted for Silhouette in the door

Don't feel the same

That's painted by Danny Offline. Danny, you recently performed, as we've been mentioning, at the Joe Henderson Lab at SF Jazz in front of two sold-out crowds. You got a really warm reception. And you've talked about how much you appreciate the music scene here in California, in the Bay. And compared it to the East Coast, how is it different?

I mean, I feel like just the whole way of living on the West Coast is totally different in a good way. I feel like people here are more relaxed. They're a little bit more open. I really like the music scene in the Bay. We were actually just talking about it before we came in. I feel like it's definitely been changing. There's like ebbs and flows, I think, but it's incredibly supportive. I just really like the Bay Area. Changing in what ways? Yeah.

Changing in the sense that I feel like people move away, some people come back. It's definitely interesting being a transplant here because I feel like a lot of people are from here. And being from Alabama, I know what it's like to be in a town where people are very proud of where they're from. And if you're not from there, it's like, what are you doing in Birmingham, Alabama?

Um, but I feel like Oakland has been really receptive and warm and, um, I feel like the music scene is getting more robust and, um, vibrant over time. Yeah. What about the production side of things? There actually are not that many female producers and female producers of color. Um, I don't even really know many female producers of color personally, honestly. Um,

Yeah, I mean, well, you were kind of asking me about making music alone out of necessity. And I think that's definitely a part of it. Like, it's hard to learn how to produce without seeing someone do it or being taught. And I mean, I kind of learned from YouTube Academy, basically just going on YouTube and watching videos. I'm seeing my band members like nodding their heads because they did the same thing. And I feel like you just have to be a little bit scrappier, I think. But I'm glad that

being one of very few female producers never stopped me. I, when I first started, I didn't really think about it like that, but it's cool now. Has that meant you've had some people coming to you for advice? And if so, what kind of advice do you give them? I have. Yeah. People are like, how do you write a song? I'm like,

I don't know. I have no idea. I just do what works for me. That's my advice. Normally, I say you should write a song the way that you feel like you would want to write a song. I don't think there's a right or wrong way to do it. I think being intuitive about things is the best way to go.

Let me remind listeners, we are talking with Dani offline and having a very special live musical performance in our studio today. And you are listening to Forum. I'm Mina Kim. So the last song on the set that you wanted to perform is called Plastic Bending. Feel free, you can start or say anything about it before or so, but...

Yeah, so it is the lead single off of my EP Mirror, which is out already. And it's about, yeah, seeing yourself through someone's eyes, being maybe someone's dream person and not really knowing what to do with that or how to hold it and maybe wanting to break out of it. I don't know. I still don't know how I feel about it. That's why I wrote the song. It's here, Plastic Bending. ♪

So I want to introduce my band real quick. We have Carson Freitas on drums, David Exame on bass, and Danny Offline. Plastic bending, don't you love when I'm pretending? Time to grow viral, maybe I'm misunderstanding. Can't be too blind, I just want to make you happy and

you want just ask me i can do that for you i'll be cool if you ignore me pick and choose when to adore me cause i'm made just for you love shapely shifting disappearing so you miss me bread runs quickly lose myself just when you kiss me don't do

I just wanna make you happy And if you want, just ask me I can do I'll be cool if you ignore me Pick and choose one to adore me Cause I'm made just for you Plastic, plastic, bent Plastic

Danny Offline, we're at the end of the hour, Danny. And I know your video is premiering on YouTube on March 21st, but where can people see you next? Yeah, so we're playing, well, I'm playing with my amazing band at Art and Soul Fest in SF on April 27th. And so many of the things that I've heard people say about your music or the reviews that I read after Noise Pop was that it's like a...

It's something that's really soothing in these times. Have you heard that sentiment? I guess, yeah. I mean, I'd never had a write-up on a performance before I did SF Jazz, so it was nice to hear what people thought about it. I like that. I don't know if I feel particularly soothed when I write music. It's kind of frenetic and crazy, so I'm glad that it can be that way for people.

Danny Offline, joined by David Exumay and Carson Freitas. And this segment was produced by Mark Nieto. And our live music engineer for this segment was Jim Bennett. Forum is also produced by Caroline Smith.

And Francesca Fenzi, our digital community producer. Jennifer Ng is our engagement producer. Susie Britton is our lead producer. Our engineers are Danny Bringer and Brendan Willard. Our interns are Brian Vo and Jesse Fisher. Katie Springer is the operations manager of KQED Podcasts. Our vice president of news is Ethan Tovan-Lindsey. And our chief content officer is Holly Kernan. I'm Mina Kim. Have a great weekend.

Funds for the production of Forum are provided by the John S. and James L. Knight Foundation, the Generosity Foundation, and the Corporation for Public Broadcasting.

Hi, I'm Morgan Sung, host of Close All Tabs from KQED, where every week we reveal how the online world collides with everyday life. You don't know what's true or not because you don't know if AI was involved in it. So my first reaction was, ha ha, this is so funny. And my next reaction was, wait a minute, I'm a journalist. Is this real? And I think we will see a Twitch streamer president, maybe within our lifetimes. You can find Close All Tabs wherever you listen to podcasts.