“My Fourth Time on Las Cultch” (w/ Julio Torres)
01:33:35 Share

Fiji water is Earth's finest water. Don't you think, Bowen? Yes, I think. Did you know that Fiji water is the number one premium imported water bottle brand in the U.S.? It has a perfectly balanced 7.7 pH. What I love about Fiji water is that it has more than doubled the electrolytes as the other two top premium water bottle brands, giving it

signature soft, smooth taste. Visit your local retailer to pick up some Fiji water today. Listen, real tequila drinkers know there's nothing better than the smooth but never sweet taste of award-winning 21 Seeds tequila infused with real fruit juice. That's why Rachel Bilson is teaming up with 21 Seeds to celebrate the 21st birthday of the OC, appearing as Summer Roberts in new scenes while mixing up some delicious 21 Seeds cocktails.

Check out this awesome collab at 21seeds Instagram and try 21seeds infused tequila today. Visit 21seeds.com. Enjoy responsibly. 21seeds. Diageo, New York, New York. Listening on Audible helps your imagination soar. No matter the genre you love, you can be inspired to imagine new worlds, new possibilities, and new ways of thinking. It's like when I listened to Drew Barrymore's Wildflower on Audible.

Audible, I was transported to another world. Find the genres you love or discover new ones with the best selection of audiobooks, podcasts, and Audible originals all in one app. Audible makes it easy to be inspired and entertained as part of your daily routine without needing to set aside extra time. There's more to imagine when you listen. New members can try Audible now free for 30 days with your first audiobook included. Visit audible.com forward slash culturistas or text culturistas to 500-500.

That's audible.com forward slash culturistas or text culturistas to 500-500. Be warned that once you pick up a refreshingly cold drink from McDonald's and

and people see just how refreshingly cold that drink from McDonald's is, you may create drink envy. Because there are drinks. Then there are drinks from McDonald's. For a morning brew that really creates a stir, get any size iced coffee, including caramel and French vanilla, for just 99 cents before 11 a.m. Price and participation may vary. Cannot be combined with any other offer or combo meal. Ba-da-da-ba-ba.

Look, man. Where? Oh, I see. Wow. Bowen, look over there. Wow. Is that culture? Yes. Oh, my goodness. Wow. Las Culturistas. Ding dong. Las Culturistas calling. Take a deep breath. Exhale. Inhale. Exhale. It's obviously you first have to inhale to exhale. That's actually rule of culture number eight. You first have to inhale to exhale. Breathing is really important.

Fundamental! Fundamental! Breathing has really saved my ass in recent times. And I feel like I need to...

really dig into this. I am like out of breath. I'm like tight in the chest. Why? Oh, I'm so happy you're saying this publicly because now we can all watch it because you can't trust someone to watch their own health. We all need eyes on Bowen Yang's chest and lungs. Please. Hey, my chest is down here and it is really tight and tense and I just need to like

get it loosened up. You know, I need like a massage every day. This is really hot what you're doing. Bowen's rubbing his titters and sort of being very orgasmic about this. Do you actually feel lately that you're breathing and like stuff is different? Yeah. Something's going on. The body keeps the score.

Yeah. No, it's not this. Our guest is making a little cigarette motion. It's not that. I am in Canada. And maybe that has something to do with it. Although I'm at the same sea level. I'm at the same. No, it's this. Most of my life is still the same. It's not that. You know what I'm going to say right now, which is such a wife thing to say, as I'm going to say this to our guests and to everyone listening. Well, he knows how I feel about the cigarettes.

The cigarettes are not really figuring in anymore. Can I say something? There was a deal that we made years ago and I periodically bring this up because it is important and it is sort of

indicative of you not holding up an end of a bargain, which is that when I started therapy, you were going to stop smoking. That was the... But then guess what? What? COVID happened. No, no, no, no. And everything changed. Using COVID as an excuse. Hmm. COVID happened and now...

All bets are off. All bets are off. Was that a defined print of the verbal agreement that we made? Of the deal. Well, I'll just say for my health, therapy has been amazing. And I think not smoking would help you feel less like your chest was locked up and you couldn't breathe. That's just me though.

How did this? I just wanted to remark on how I've been breathing. I've been more aware of my breathing lately and all of a sudden. And all of a sudden it became antagonistic and obviously your problem is due to stress. So why am I piling on? You know what I mean? It's okay. You know what? This is why it can't just be me watching this. It has to be all of us, the community. We have to watch Bo and Yang's health because I clearly can't be trusted.

We have to watch each other. This is a mutual aid network at the end of the day. We were seeing, speaking of watching, we were saying just before we got on with our guests, we were talking about Disney for a hot sec. Did you see this for, you didn't, but did you see this? Are you aware of the four hour video review of the Star Wars hotel that this girl posted where it's just the most thorough dragging of the Star Wars hotel from every single hateful,

hated it. So she basically was like, she's this girl. Her name is Jenny Nicholson. She's like a YouTube video blogger, a vlogger, I guess. And she, her, her thing is niche fandoms, theme parks, and immersive experiences. That's like what she, that's her whole bag. And the three of those converge at Disney. And also she's like a Star Wars freak. She's like,

really super smart and adorable. And like, she like has a big following and she's very, very, very detailed and clear about her experience at the star Wars hotel, which she said costs over $6,000 for two people. It was a two night hotel stay. It was immersive and you got to watch it on like 1.75 or times two speed because it is so thrilling. Like get on a stair master, open this up and you will be walking at a pace that,

you've never walked before. Like it is a thrilling watch. I never thought it would be. People were sending me this like,

"Have you seen this yet?" And I was like, "Listen, I'm not this far gone." And then cut to me, like, soaking in all of it. It was a blow-by-blow dragging of this experience, which is now closed, by the way. This is giving me, like, "I didn't know my husband" TikTok. Or the, uh... Right? Like, "I didn't know my husband." Well, this girl is nominated for a cultural award for this video. She is. But anyway, it was just so unreal.

to think about just how crazy it is, like how far gone it is. Like, cause she was saying like, you know, a lot of people might think like, it's like super rich people that are buying tickets to this. Like actually no, her experience is it was a lot of middle-class people who clearly had splurged on this vacation because they thought Disney is, you know, when you say the word Disney, you think of this like experience of like,

luxury and excellence. They're this brand that you're going to get something out of, but it fools middle class people because you get there and it's like, all right, you're cooped up in a hotel with no windows. The hotel rooms are a size of boxes and it's an immersive experience in that there's characters walking around, but none of the things are really playable. It's a really worthwhile watch. I sat there with my mouth open. I was like, this is...

so crazy I can't wait can I ask an insane question yeah was I supposed to be talking this is what your third fourth time on the podcast I know wait how does it work like you introduce me and then I talk so the way it works is yeah that's exactly how it works okay I'm sorry pretend I didn't do that sit tight for like 90 more seconds yeah no hold that thought yeah yeah yeah I will talk later okay okay okay that thing about you talking is gonna come in in a major way in a sec now whose voice was that I don't know

Problemista voice. Problemista voice. Voice of a phantasma. This is a very good friend, a very special guest, a true, true artist. Pioneer. A pioneer.

You might know his lovely work, most recently in his directorial debut, Problemista. I wanted to give it the title My First Movie. And I think a filmmaker has called her first movie My First... Oh no, a musician is calling her first album My First Album or something. That doesn't work as well for me. My First Movie is so much more...

So much bigger. You know what I mean? And that's why the title of episode so far for this is my fourth episode of Lost Gulch. My fourth episode of Lost Gulch. But I mean, I mean, don't you, can't you picture like two women at a nail salon and then one of them goes, what are we doing tonight? We're going to go see my first movie.

It works in many different ways. But when you really think in there, why do you think he didn't take your advice? I think it wasn't him. I think it was the A24, the suits that A24. Blame the suits is what I always say. I think about that with the Disney Wars, Disney World Star Wars hotel too. Blame the suits. Disney Wars. Disney Wars. Girl, Iger, come at us. Now, he has a new show coming out on HBO called, is it HBO or Max? I guess it's Max, right?

No, no, no, not yet. Hold on, hold on, hold on. You know what? We'll let him tell us where it is. No, no, no. It is coming out on... He's having to look it up. It's coming out on HBO. June 7th on HBO. Prestige. Come on. It's not a new movie. Max. Garbage. No, of course. Garbage on Max. This is Fantasmus. A really star-studded cast. I can't wait to see it.

I have a shirt that says Fantasmus Haddad's Trucks, New Jersey. And it is one of my favorite shirts. I love that shirt. Thank you Fantasmus for giving me that. Not your first shirt, but your favorite shirt. No, no. My favorite shirt. Now. Should we bring him in so we can do some of that famous talking? For sure. All right, here we go. Everyone welcome. Julio Torres. He's in the studio. Hey, I just got here.

Yeah, you've arrived. Can I say in a broad way? You have arrived. In a broad way? Oh, oh, oh, in a broad way. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I mean, not in a broad way. Like, you haven't stomped the board. I have certainly not arrived in broad way. But in a broad sense, you've really arrived. Yeah, wow. Any interest in broad way?

No. And performing on Broadway? No, none. And performing on Broadway? No. That sounds so difficult. Like, would either of you ever fully be on a play? Yeah. Would you do it?

I would do it. I would do it. You would do it. Okay. Wow. Okay. I think it would, it would really depend on, on what it was. On the text. I've seen some one with like solo shows. Like Jodi Comer was in this play last year on Broadway called Prima Facey, which is just her doing a continuous long monologue. And like the subject matter was really intense and she was very physical in it and it was just her and she never leaves the stage. And I,

And I was just like, I don't understand that. But in a way where I could walk in and like say a little, as we call in the best zinger and then leave.

I would love it. I'd love to do my thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We are actively seeking singer parts. If there are any singer parts in Lempicka, Matt Rogers will take it. Now, let's say each of us, and Julio, let's just say for the purposes of this thought exercise, you are on a Broadway show. And the three of us are on different Broadway shows, or maybe it's the same one, it doesn't matter, but each of us just have to come in

twice per act. And do our bazinga. Do our bazinga and then walk out, right? Yeah. What are we doing in the dressing room? How are we passing the time? Are we like...

being so disciplined? Are we playing video games? Are we reading? I mean, you know that it would start with, oh, I'm going to write the thing in the dressing room because I actually have four hours to kill. I'm going to write. I'm going to do this. And then you just end up scrolling on your phone. Yeah. Right. Damn. Unfortunately. I wouldn't be on a show. I would write a show. Yeah. But the idea of being there...

every night seeing now like our friends do it in O'Mary. I'm like, whoa, that looks so hard. - It's a lot. - Yeah. - I think that I would be pacing and socializing, which would be even more tiring. 'Cause I know myself- - Pacing and socializing with who? With your cast? - Like backstage, like with anyone, with the stage crew. - Not with the audience. - No, certainly not. - You're gonna go outside and be like, hey.

Hey, what do you think of the play? I'm about to be in it. I'll be sitting in my house. It's going to get really good. It's going to get really good once I come on. No, but that's how I tend to do my downtime. But Bowen, I think you would really literally be reading and laying on your back. Yeah, I'd be reading and laying on my back. But with our friends who are doing O'Mary, do you see firsthand what impact it's having on their social lives? Because that's the thing that the three of us kind of care about, I think. I think...

Can I go out? Can I go out? Okay, I'll take it, but can I go out? Can I go to $3 bill? Can I go to $3 bill on a Wednesday? Hit up Animal for the first time. Can I go to Animal for the seventh time today? I don't know. I think Cole does...

- The play and then goes home and recharges is the sense that I get. - Yes. - But obviously Cole is carrying the show and James becomes very disciplined, very like school night, like go home, take care and then like errands in the morning and then like play. - How does he feel about going into the summer on Broadway, literally on Broadway? - Literally on Broadway. - But I know that boy loves his summer.

That boy loves his summer, but he loves... Working. Getting to do his work more. So he did not mourn...

The lack of free time for a second, I don't think. That's good. That's perfect. Yeah. I mean, 12 weeks only, you're going to have a summer, right? I mean, what is that? Is that the whole summer? Yeah, but it's like right in the peak of summer. You know what, though? Can I say something? It's not a fucking about him, okay? It's about the people in the audience getting to watch Greyheart. It's about the fans. It's not about him. It's about the fans. It's about the fans. It's about the fans that traveled...

internationally to see O'Meary. So I don't want to hear it about James' summer. I mean, that's Broadway, right? People do travel for this. Oh, especially this show. Yeah. This is international appeal. It's an international figure, Mary Todd. I know, they'll learn about American history. They do. Exactly. So why... So James, what? You know what? For...

pathetic i don't know if you knew you would you would come on here and that we'd be in a fight with james wait but i i just said that he didn't care though no that's not what you said roll back you are putting words in my mouth you are putting words in my mouth typical you no one ever said this would be fair i'm like the wall is red and you were like well why is it blue

Because he's colorblind. I'm colorblind, honey. Oh, wait. This always comes up. I feel like I always like, I feel like I'm always microaggressing on your colorblindness. Wait, do you want to know where I just pictured you and I laughed a lot? Where? To myself just now? The Star Wars Hotel. I think that that would not. I would be so upset. I would be so.

Oh, I'm upset the entire time. Things that are like hyper curated and hyper regimented when they want you to have like a very specific paint by numbers or immersive experience. I'm so allergic to it. I just took... Okay, wait. I just took a...

Every now and then, okay, every now and then, I will take a group fitness class of some sort. Because I like that there's a time where I have to go do it, and I know when it ends, and I'm not going to spend the whole day thinking, I'll go work out in an hour, and then another, and then, you know what I mean. Is this generally group fitness classes, or are you talking about one specific group fitness class? I'm talking about one specific group fitness class. Okay, okay, okay. And...

I felt like I was scolded for not having enough energy. That's probably true. I felt like, I mean, not scolded, but definitely like the teacher said, guys, the point of group fitness is to feed off of each other's energy. And then looked at me.

and then said something that i thought was so telling she like accidentally opened a window into her psyche she said you can make noise here i'm not your mother or your wife oh i see okay got it but see i think another reason you go there is to observe to observe you like observing i do love observing

I do love observing. So then you being scolded, you're saying every... I wasn't scolded. That's a big word. But it was like this motivation that feels aggressive and it takes you a second because you're like... This motivation that feels aggressive. Yeah. You're like, I'm definitely going to do what you said. But like, also, it's just like... I'm going to do what you said, but you can't command me to feel any sort of way about it. Exactly. I can turn this thing up, but I'm not going to... My energy might still be bad.

Yeah, exactly. And, okay, so you know what I also hate? When, oh, this negative energy I'm bringing into this beautiful podcast. No, no, no, it's perfect. Well, after this, you're going to say something you love. Okay, yeah. After this, I'm going to say something I love. Animal. Animal, the bar animal. Great drinks, hot guys, perfect music. No, I don't like it when, like, you know when, like, a friend makes a meal? First of all...

Dinners in general. Don't invite me to your dinners. Don't invite me to your dinners. Okay. Let me eat alone in peace. Okay. Yes. Noted. When a friend makes a meal and then there's that very performative, like...

"Oh wow, that was really great." And then everyone echoes, "Oh yeah, that was really yummy. Yeah, yeah. Oh, thanks. Thanks. Yeah, that was great. That was really yummy. Thanks, thanks." And it's like, it just feels so like performative. 'Cause then it's like, then I chime in and I'm like, "Yeah, thank you. That was so great." But it's like, I didn't get to say it at my own time. - Right.

It's sort of like, okay, and now is the part where we express, it's so systemized. You feel there's no way for you to be genuine about the way in which you've enjoyed the meal and the degree to which you have enjoyed it once other people have sort of started the ceremony. Be like, now is the moment where you do it. It's like a standing ovation. Exactly, exactly. But are you a fan of those? How do you feel about standing ovations?

I'm not a fan. I don't think I've seen you ever stand for a standing ovation. And that's okay. What's the State of the Union address? If you zoom in, I'm there sitting. Oh, yeah. No, that's not true. I stand. I stand. I rise. You rise. But when you were talking about dinner, I thought you were going to bring up how someone makes dinner. Yeah.

And then sets it down. Everyone eats it and everyone goes, oh, that was really good. That was really good. And then what I thought you were going to say that annoyed you in the performance was... What's in it or how did you make it? I don't want to know. I don't care. No, it's not. It's about the person who made the dinner and...

I do this. I'm guilty of this. I go, oh, that's fine. I kind of, if I didn't have this ingredient, I didn't really, you know, like when you start to apologize. Oh, but that's you in general, though. That's you in general. You don't like compliments. But is that not a performance? Oh, it is a performance. It's all a sick performance. Yeah.

That's why I'm with you. Like, I love to go out to dinner with a bunch of people. I think that's great because it's like it's not we can all agree. Oh, that was so good. Like, it's not about us. No one's like put on the spot at that moment. Yeah. Also, the thing with dinner parties is I don't know how to say this. No matter who you are, your food is not as good as a restaurant's food.

Your food, no matter who you are, if you're cooking the food at your house, it wasn't as good as a restaurant would have done it. Honey, you're not a restaurant. You're not a restaurant, so why are you pretending to be a restaurant? You'll never be a restaurant. Because if you are trying to be a restaurant... You made this once today? Yeah, 100%. And also, it's like, I could tell you only made it once today. At a restaurant, they're making these things upwards of 9, 10, 11, 12 times. So they have time to get it right. They have to get it right.

Isn't tried and true. Yeah. Also, enough for nothing. I go to your house like the silverware isn't clean. Oh, stop it. What makes you trust a restaurant's silverware? I don't trust other people's homes and cooking. And if I have to do that, it's like know that I'm not being genuine when I'm like enthusiastic about it. That's me doing my classic Matt Rogers performance of enthusiasm. Wow. Because I'm not. Where else do you perform enthusiasm? Everywhere I go. Oh.

Everywhere I go, I'm like, hey. And what is the emotion you wish you could showcase? Surly. Oh. No, I'm just kidding. I'm actually, I'm happy to be everywhere that I go. And I really do enjoy it. The way you backpedaled immediately into your performative joy. It's okay to be, it's okay to be surly sometimes. The bottom line is I would rather be at a restaurant always. Always. Always.

No, that's the t-shirt. I would love to be in a restaurant always. Always. Thank you. We should put that on merch. We should. But nothing we've talked about and covered so far, Julio, disqualifies Disney World for you.

Nothing. Wait, what do you mean? Like, I think you would still go and enjoy it. Not that Star Wars hotel, but I think you would stay in like... Definitely not an overnight experience. Fine. Have you ever done an escape room? No. Julio, I think you might like that.

An escape room? Yes. With the little games. You know who we did an escape room with recently? Our mutual friend, George McGraw. Yeah. We had a great time with George doing an escape room and he loved it. And that was his first time. It was his very first one. We went in Hollywood and he had a wonderful time in the escape room and then left even saying, this is a big part of my whole deal now. Wow. Julio, I think... I don't want to prescribe an open-mindedness, but I think you can...

Be curious if you want. Unless you... If you ruled it out, I can't stop you. No, I'll try everything once. Okay. Except for most foods. Well, that's different. The theme would matter, I think. Yes. There's different themes. Oh, absolutely. Aren't they all spooky, like Saw, like... Not all of them. You don't do this, well...

Okay. No, no, no, no, no. You're thinking about haunted house. You're thinking of haunted house. Oh, I was thinking haunted house. And you're thinking of scary escape rooms. But there's some that are like, I mean, remember the one we did in Brooklyn that was themed to like... It was Chinese themed. It was Chinese themed. What were you escaping? A Chinese room. It was really weird. It was a Chinese curse. Yeah.

It was a fun, it was a very fun escape room though. Yeah. But are you good at like puzzles and are you good at like, yes, yes you are. No, I'm not good at puzzles. He famously thinks outside the box. He famously thinks very outside the box. I'm like, what if I made a dress with a box? Oh,

That's thinking outside the box. Thinking about not even what goes in the box, what the box is going to wear. That's thinking outside the box. Wait, have you seen OMG Fashion? No, I need to start. Julia Fox. Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, we need to start. It's really fun. Okay. Basically, it's like the episodes are like 20 minutes long.

Perfect. And three people come and then she's like, make me a dress out of this plastic bag. And then they come back and then she's like, I like that one. The end. And it's so entertaining. I do have to watch that. Julia. It's so Julia. Yeah. Very unpretentious.

It's so unpretentious. Well, that's the thing about Julia Fox that I think she gets better than anybody, which is make it inviting and yet also like so severe and so like...

from somewhere but like make it unpretentious yeah I told something to I was doing press for your favorite my favorite thing in the world and you know how you go and they put you in the clothes and they take the pictures it's called a photo shoot and I said something that like the stylist or like one of the not the stylist but like the someone that was working with the stylist looked at me like what

Because I said, I don't... They were showing me clothes that were really nice clothes, like Luave or whatever. And I was like, I don't want to be aspirational. I don't want for anyone to see this and think I should spend money on clothes. Yeah. And then it's like, you could feel the blood vessels break. Yeah.

Yeah. Because it's literally what they do. It's literally the whole point. They're selling something with you. Yeah. I think that if I'm that person, what that could feel like to me is a superiority thing. But I think that that's just your truth. You don't want to be a part of that. It's not the way that you dress. It's not what you represent and stand for. So it's not even just like,

I'm better than fashion and this person shrivels and turns to stand in that moment? No, I love fashion, but I think like ideally like someone would see a picture and be like,

LOL, oh my god, I should go get a plastic bag and make a scarf out of it. I need a Luave eye patch. Yeah. Because I saw Julio Torres wearing a Luave eye patch and I want a Luave eye patch now. Wait, did I? No, I'm just saying that you would hate that if anyone were to ever say that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's fun at least. A Luave eye patch that costs like $10,000. Yeah, exactly. Which probably it would, right?

something like that. Probably, I don't know what the price point is. But this is the thing about Julia, not to keep talking about Julia, but she wears things that, like, no one would ever think to wear. She's wearing things that are not aspirational either. Yeah, here's where it is. I hate, like, operating and wearing things that have been, like, pre-approved by committee. That everyone has, like, decided, oh, this is good because, you know, the...

whatever magazines decided that this was good. So you are wearing this like checkmark. Yes. So you would never do the MacDowell because that literally is one person Anna Wintour going down the list being like, Julio can't wear this. He has to wear this. Which I didn't know. Yeah. I didn't know that either. Every single person.

Imagine having a party where you tell people what that's literally a wedding, right? That's what they do. The bridal party. Yeah. It's like we're all wearing this horrible color. But also like you can't like if you were to show up to like a very traditional wedding in like jeans and a T-shirt, like people would say something. I don't go to weddings either. Right.

Right. I think they would, but that's also going away. You send me your wedding invitations going straight to the trash. Wow. You heard it here first. You heard it here first. But I'll send a text. I'll send a text. He's not coming to dinner. He's not coming to your wedding. Yeah. No. And he's not coming to your Met Gala. Sorry. Sorry. No. Those three things. Hey Bowen, lately I've been thinking about starting a new adventure and I've been needing the perfect car to get me there. Hmm.

Well, there's a car for that on Cars.com, Matt. Yes, the rumors are true. Cars.com encourages shoppers to explore all the possibility a new car holds. You're right, Beau. Ever since I moved to the city, I've been needing something small and nimble to zip through these tight streets. And now I know there's a car for that.

Cars.com. You love to zip, zip, zip through these tight streets. Ooh, what do you think you'll get, Matt? Maybe an electric car? I think that would be perfect for you. Save the environment and get everywhere I need to be?

Now that's a plan I can get behind. And thanks to Cars.com, the go-to site for new and used cars, car shopping is now so easy and fun. So easy, so fun, and so full of possibilities. Get inspired to find your perfect car. I know I am. Color me so full of inspiration. We need our readers to imagine all the amazing things you can do with the right car. Like finally start that small business you've been dreaming about.

Yeah, cars.com definitely has a car for that. Listen, whatever your next chapter looks like, cars.com has the tools, expert advice, and over 2 million new and used cars to help you find the perfect fit with 50,000 cars added daily. So start your search now with cars.com. Hey.

Where to next? Listen, real tequila drinkers know there's nothing better than 21 Seeds infused tequila. This award-winning tequila is infused from the juice of real fruit that's smooth but not sweet. And the flavors? They're fresh.

and bright. In fact, so fresh and so bright that you only need two or three ingredients to make the perfect margarita. So you can just sit back, focus on the fun, and enjoy some drinks that are so good it's kind of ridiculous. 21 Seeds is causing drama across the entire cocktail scene, and that's why they've teamed up with Rachel Bilson, the OC's original drama queen, Summer Roberts, for an

awesome collab. In honor of the 21st birthday of the OC, Rachel is mixing up cocktails with 21 Seeds Tequila, her favorite tequila by the way, and appearing in new scenes from the series you've loved and missed, The OC. Check out this summer's most awesome collab at 21 Seeds Instagram. And try 21 Seeds infused tequila for yourself. You'll love it.

Visit 21seeds.com and enjoy responsibly 21 Seeds Diageo New York, New York. Listening on Audible helps your imagination soar. No matter the genre you love, you can be inspired to imagine new worlds, new possibilities, and new ways of thinking. Matt, I was reading The Lonely City by Olivia Ling, and I was dipping into the audiobook for some chapters, and I really loved that mixed media experience. You know what my favorite thing I've ever listened to on Audible is? What? Hot White Heist starring my friend Bowen Yang. Girl! What?

the genres you love or discover new ones with the best selection of audiobooks, podcasts, and Audible Originals all in one app. Audible makes it easy to be inspired and entertained as part of your daily routine without needing to set aside extra time. Now I fold it into my commutes, my household chores, even my exercise. I love pumping iron. Well, it's clearly working. Ooh. Ha ha ha.

There's more to imagine when you listen. New members can try Audible now free for 30 days with your first audiobook included. Visit audible.com forward slash culturistas or text culturistas to 500500. That's audible.com slash culturistas or text culturistas to 500500.

Hey readers, so listen, the robots have gotten pretty good at what they do, huh? But here's the thing, they can't pour passion into what they make or give an item a human touch. On Etsy, you can find something handmade, handpicked, or designed by independent sellers who pull from their unique experiences and bring their whole hearts to their small shops.

Discover hand-blown glassware, reclaimed furniture, personalized jewelry, hand-picked vintage pieces, custom design artwork, and so much more. The fingerprints Etsy sellers leave behind reveal who they are. Human beings determined to make human connections. I've gotten some of my favorite stuff on Etsy. I mean, when I first moved to my apartment in LA, the walls were bare. And I went on Etsy and the walls are now decorated. I remember it was COVID. I got on Etsy and I just found...

like coasters with pictures of all the pop stars that my friends stand and I drove around and I was like a gay Santa like giving everyone their little coasters with like Dolly Parton on it and Madonna on it just a fun little idea from me to you and it all happened on Etsy so next time you're shopping for yourself or someone special choose extraordinary items handmade handpicked or designed by small businesses keep commerce human discover small businesses on Etsy

Let's talk about Animal. What do we love about it? Are we so happy? Are we sponsored by Animal? We're not. It's big for the community in Brooklyn. Yeah. It really has taken the community by storm. Can I say, we definitely need to figure out a bathroom situation, and we can't and won't because there's no way to change it. It just sort of is what it is. It's that one bathroom thing, and it's got like a trough, and there's like, at any given time, if it's busy, like,

I don't know how you pee in there without getting pee shy. And that actually became a big conversation amongst people that I was there with. It's like, if you wait in line and then you get there and it's like, there's so many people behind you waiting. And also you're right on top of other people. And I don't really deal with pee shyness, but then at animal, I was like, because it was a topic on my mind and because the space was so small and cramped, like in terms of peeing. And by the way,

We love the establishment. We've been to the establishment many times. We're just talking about the bathroom and this phenomenon. I left not having peed because I was like, I don't know how you do that in there. I don't know how you do that in there. You couldn't emotionally access a part of you that would be comfortable enough to pee. Literally. And what did happen was I went outside and peed on the street. It's okay, everyone. Don't be scandalized. People do it all the time. Like I went outside and peed on the street and it was no problem. It flowed out of me like truth.

Oh, my God. Interesting, because you didn't feel the need to perform there. Yeah, it wasn't even about feeling the need to perform. It was like feeling the immediacy of performance. Like, you must pee now. You regress. Because we're having a lot of time here. I regress. You regress, animal. Okay, you heard it first. Animal is fun, but it will make you regress. Yeah. And I actually do think that that's true. Like, while I think it's a really fun establishment, I have comments about the bathroom and the fact that everyone I've ever seen there is regressing.

Oh, wow.

My God. Wow. Well, can I ask, when you say single bathroom, is it like one single person occupancy in theory? Or is it like one place for everyone to go to pee in the trough? I'm talking about the bathroom at Animal, that trough. Like the one where it's like there's like... I guess Bowen doesn't know what the bathroom at Animal is. Yeah, I guess you've never even been there before, liar. I've been to Animal. I have just never had to use the bathroom there. Yeah, same actually. You've never had to pee at Animal? I guess you're always kind of like...

In and out, I guess. But I also like...

No, I don't know why. I think it's just a weird coincidence. I have no qualms with using a public restroom. Yeah, me neither, actually. I see what's happening here. What? What's happening? I have no idea what you're talking about. Hey, no one's out to get you. You guys are the two gay faces of that other bar. No one's hanging the big portraits of you up. And so y'all are trying to poison the smiles of the gay community in Brooklyn. You guys are the faces of the gay community in Brooklyn. You have big portraits up in what's it called?

Macri Park. No, no, not that one. Rosemont. It's called the Rosemont. Rosemont. There are huge portraits. And okay, wait, hold on. But I would like to know, Matt, that this is the second time that you have said something bad about some express a negative opinion. And then...

attributed it to us because you were just dragging the bathrooms at Animal and Bowen said I've never used the bathroom at Animal and then you said oh you're dragging Animal yeah he was because

This is my whole thing. By the way, you haven't even let me talk about the bathrooms at Rosemont, which are also not good enough. Right, right, right. But there's no gay bar where the bathrooms are good enough. They're not good enough at Metro. They're not good enough anywhere. It's the charm. It's part of the charm. Part of a Brooklyn gay bar charm is you're going to have a bad time going to the bathroom. It's the doing drugs in the bathroom that makes it a problem. It's like, grow up.

Like, do them outside. Well, there's basically like at the door to Animal. I'm just giving everyone out there that maybe isn't like a Brooklyn gay person an experience there. You'd walk up to the door and it's the only door I've walked up to where the person at the front runs through a spiel before you're allowed in.

It's like a rehearsal. No, that's definitely not the only place. That's a very New York thing. Is it a very New York thing? Okay, well, honestly, Julio, it is very experientially, it really feels like a Disney pre-show. It's giving right over. You belong in Orlando, Florida. That's

That's where you belong. Wait, but I don't think I'd heard the speech at Animal. What is it? It's basically like, what is it, Bob? You've heard it. It's like, no drugs in the bathroom, and then there's a joke about where you could do it, and then there's like, you know. And the biggest rule is have fun. It's giving flight attendant. Yeah, Miss Door has a routine. Miss Door has a routine, and that's rule of culture number 77. Miss Door has a routine.

Ms. Dorr has a routine. Anyone doing security at any bar from now on, is there not security? They are Ms. Dorr. Ms. Dorr. Border Patrol is Ms. Dorr. Customs officials are Ms. Dorr.

They're Mrs. Door. What are you doing in the United States? All right, Ms. Door. It's giving nosy Ms. Door. Are you carrying more than $10,000 in cash? Okay, Ms. Door. Are you Ms. Door? Yeah. Oh, look, it's almost like we're looking for a sugar daddy, Ms. Door. What do you think they would do?

be so confused and probably take us all away. I mean, like, I don't think they have a sense of humor down there at border. I mean, I think they have to suppress it. They do.

If they think it's funny, they won't show. Yeah, they won't show. They definitely won't show. They definitely won't show. But the border people in Canada, I got here, they are not Canadian in behavior and manner. And they are being kind and welcoming. No, they're really drunk on power. I'm going to say it. Wow. Do you have a Canadian passport? No. No, it's funny. I showed up. Okay.

I had my work permit form, and then I got there, and they were like, you don't need to be here. I was like, why? They were like, you're in the system. You're a citizen. I was like, oh, yeah. And then I left. You forgot you were a Canadian citizen? I forgot that. I thought work permit just meant you needed to have that no matter where you went. It just didn't matter what your nationality was. I'm just so stupid. I take all these things for granted, but didn't need it. You're not stupid, Bowen.

I don't think you're stupid at all. I think you had a moment. Let me say something. I think you had a moment. You just had a lapse. You have a lot on your plate and you can't keep track of all these things. I know. You have to give yourself some grace. Thank you. I do think, Bo and Yang, I'm going to say this to you publicly. I do think it is hire an assistant time. This is so interesting because...

assistants are on the brain. Yeah, they should be. I think it's time for you to hire an assistant. We have a cast assistant. So on Canadian sets, they have a cast assistant. Oh, okay. And we have one person. His name is James. He's wonderful. Different than a PA. Different than a PA. And so he just is for whatever, principals, whatever. I hate the hierarchy thing, but it's like principals get a cast assistant. And then he was just like,

What do you like to drink? And I was like, I'll stock your fridge. I was like, oh, Diet Coke and Celsius. And then I showed up the next day and it was full of Diet Coke and Celsius. This is dangerous. Be careful with the Celsius. Oh, I know. That's sort of what an assistant does, though. And they can also do things that aren't just like elective and like, this will be fun to have Diet Coke. Like, that'll be amazing. Even though it is like something you asked for, you should have the Diet Coke. But that feeling was amazing. Yeah.

I know, but think about this. Like, now you can have a person that, like, responds to the emails you don't want to respond to, pays certain bills, like, you know, like, gets on top of things. I just feel like you're a prime candidate for one. We'll see. We'll see. Hooli, what were the names of the fictional assistants, you know, way back in the day? Hans and Celeste. Hans and Celeste. Now, have those names changed in sort of what they mean to you now that we all know and are very close to a Celeste in our lives? Yeah.

I'm speaking, of course, about Celestium. Oh, that's so interesting because... The name is a little bit more real now, right? Wow. I never thought about that. You create this name for this idea of this person and then all of a sudden there comes the real person. Well, no, because Celeste is so different than the idea of Celeste.

Which, that's what I called Greta Teitelman's character. Yes. In the movie, The Idea of Celeste. Now that's a title. Because the idea of Celeste is Greta Teitelman, and Celeste Yim is not the idea of Celeste. No. They are their own person, of course. I am 100% riding hard for this train of thought. Because Greta Teitelman is Celeste. Yes. She is Celeste in

in concept. Yeah. But I do think about this quite often. I do draw this. I connect these dots in my mind, whether I'm with Celestium or not. I go,

My only other encounter with the name Celeste has been with a couple other Celestes in real life, but mostly I think about Celeste like Julio's fictional assistant. Intern. I'm sorry, intern. And now I feel like what I've noticed is... Unpaid. Unpaid intern. What I've noticed is Julio has now moved into the realm of made-up names. Fictional names. Names that are not... Oh my god, yeah. I love a made-up name. You know what I mean? It's my favorite thing to do. Yeah. Is there any sort of switch in that? Do you feel like there's truth to that statement of like,

You feel like in order to like further filter out from reality, you go, let's make up these fictional names, Bebo and put it on the peanut, like all these names. Yeah, well, creatures are funnier when they have fake names, I think. Of course. I think that's the general rule. Of course. Because then they become more like unplaceable, I guess. And they also get an inner life.

Immediately. Immediately. Yeah. Like the learning curve for people to know how to spell Pirlin Pimpina is always funny. Yeah. I think I can spell it. Go ahead. P-I-R-U-L-I-N-P-I-N.

You're so close. N-P-I-N-A? Yes! Pirelli Pimpina. You did amazing. Pirelli Pimpina. Thank you. Yeah, that was really good. Wow, that was very good. Thank you. Now, names. Matt is a big name person. I was just thinking to myself, like... What's your favorite name? Beginnings Chain. Oh, God.

Well, Beginnings Chang is like such a name in like pop culture history for me. Like Beginnings Chang, like that's... Wait, I'm so sorry. Can you fill me in on who Beginnings is? Go ahead, Bowen. Who's Beginnings Chang? Deep House Dish, which is the sketch that James Anderson wrote on SNL in the early aughts. Oh, well, of course, the king of... The king of fake names. Jenjen Binks.

And I'm Jen Jen Binks. And I'm Jen Jen Binks. But when Maya Rudolph hosted us, and now she, Beginnings Chang is like stuck in her brain. Like Beginnings Chang is, stretches generations. You know what I mean? Absolutely. I was sitting here thinking to myself, like, just like, do you feel like the concept of your name? And I was like, I don't. Her name's Matt Rogers, Bowen Yang, and Julio Torres.

Do you feel like the concept of your name? No, I don't. What would you name yourself? Probably like a little sound of some kind. Well, actually, I met someone who had a kid named Inti. Inti? Inti. Inti. That's so cute. Which I was like, oh, I wish I weren't Inti.

I always want my name to be like Leda, like L-E-E-D-A. Leda. Leda. Like, isn't that so beautiful? That is. That's so elegant. You're making an elegant face. I love Natralia. I love like Leilani. I love... Elantra. You like your L's. Elantra. I love beautiful sort of ethereal feminine name.

Like Lorelei, my favorite friend. And now I'm letting everyone know they were not my favorite friend in high school was named Lorien. Lorien. L-O-R-I-E-N-N-E. Lorien. Wasn't that good?

Wow. I was just like, how do you get a name like that? Because no one I grew up with had one. Everyone was Amanda. Everyone was Matt. Everyone was Amanda. Everyone was right. Especially Rural Culture number 19. Everyone was Amanda. But can I say, Matt, I think you out of the three of us

embody your name the most. Yeah. Matt Rogers, I think it feels really good on the tongue to say. So to speak. I disagree. I think that Matt Rogers sounds more serious...

than Matt the person. And I would say that Bowen is beautiful for you. Yeah. I like Bowen. I don't know. Yang, I'm like, I forget that that's my last name. But it grounds the Bowen. Oh, interesting. It humanizes the Bowen. Uh-huh. I agree with you that Bowen is like, it's got this like,

There's like a beauty and a whimsy to it. But also, didn't you say it's quite a common Chinese name? Oh, really? Yang is very common. Bowen is, it's pretty, all Chinese names are very unique. Like, it's like the characters are infinite. But I like Bowen. The Yang is something that I like forget about, which sounds weird. A Y is so pretty though. I like the Y. Ys are very pretty.

I like a Y. Now, letters that you guys want in your... So Matt wants an L. Leo, I think you want a Q. I definitely want... I would love a Q. I would also love an I, a lowercase I. You have one. I want more and for them to have more of a spotlight in the name. Because right now, the I in my name has a supporting role. The I in my name is very like...

Would that be all, ma'am? You know, in the scene. But I need the eye to be a protagonist. Oh, my God. Inti. Inti. I'm going to ask you. I'm going to ask you a question. Yeah. Can you name me? Yeah, I can. Hold on.

Okay. Kevin Banks. Kevin Banks? Wait, is that someone already? But how is that so much different than Matt Rogers? You don't... Okay, okay, okay. But Kevin Banks, it just seems like if you wanted to give me like a whimsical, silly name that you feel like I've earned. Yeah, that's what I was going for. Kevin Banks? Okay. I'm looking at myself being like, am I Lance? Well, you could be Lance, but that's taken. It is taken. There's another big gay Lance. You can't do that. Dude.

I have a first name for you. I have a first name for you. Okay. Rooley. Rooley? Rooley. Rooley. Rooley. No. You think I should be named Rooley? No. Rooley. Rooley.

Don't you want it? You wanted an L and you wanted something interesting. You know what my name should be? And sorry to him. Leland. I'm taking Leland. Sorry to which Leland? There's a Leland songwriter and singer. Leland. And that's a stage name, but it's a beautiful stage name. I don't think it's Leland. I think Leland is too cookie for you. Okay. So, sorry. So, Matt, do you want a quote unquote, like established name? Here's my name.

Philip Dunkrit. No. No. What is Dunkrit? No, you want to play a Philip Dunkrit. You don't want to be one. No one take the name Philip Dunkrit. Like, that's something that I'm using. Philip Dunkrit. What is Dunkrit from? I don't know.

I don't know. I made it up. I made up a word. We're talking about how that's fun to do. Oh, okay. Yes. Okay, okay, okay, okay. I have one. I have one. Go. Dustin Dallas. I'll be a Dustin Dallas 100%. That is so gay porn, though. Yeah. No, I think it's perfect for you. Dustin Dallas or like Duncan Dallas. Duncan? No. I like Dustin. I can be Dustin Dallas. Dustin Dallas? Yeah. One of my favorite porn stars' name is Dustin. Dustin what?

Does he have a last name? Hazel. Dustin Hazel. That's a great name. I'm not familiar with Hazel's work. He's wonderful. Yeah. Okay. Check it out. I feel like both of you, I'm thinking of your output and your art and your work. And both of you, I feel like in your future, if not already, have like a gay porn type of story to tell through your writing or directing or your performance. Wait, you mean that...

like something we make will generate a porn spoof that we are not involved in. No, like what he's saying is he wants us to do OnlyFans together. That's what he's saying. He wants us to start up a channel. He wants to watch us fuck. I can't open a small business. I like, I really, I do not have the time. It's so much admin work. Oh, I can't. I don't know how these people. Our friends who have OnlyFans, it's like the amount of time it takes to like,

interact with people. And it's just, no, it's... It is like a crazy hard job. Yeah. I recently saw someone have like sort of a little bit of a breakdown. Like it's this guy on OnlyFans and I guess he got a message from...

from someone and he put the breakdown on only fans it was like no he didn't have a breakdown on only fans although i have watched some people that i follow on only fans like post long things about how like yeah they haven't been feeling well and i have seen some people like really open up about what the toll this takes on their mental health and stuff and i'm like god then like please take this to another platform or to another service like because not because i don't want to hear it because i'm like

this is not, you're not going to get what you need from your OnlyFans followers. Yeah, yeah. But maybe the transparency is good. But on Twitter, the community would rather. Oh, 100%. Yeah, that's where they're kind. And I guess what I mean by take it to another platform is like take this feeling somewhere else to feel better about it, like therapy or like with friends or something like that. But I did recently see someone that I follow on OnlyFans who I also follow on Instagram sort of say that people in his DMs get this,

very familiar and sexual and treat him sort of like garbage, like not a person. And he was saying it's like this particular creator was like, I don't want to have sex with you and your boyfriend. Like, I don't want if you're an open relationship, like I'm not someone who wants to participate in that. That's my preference. And like, because of my job, it seems like everyone thinks they can talk to me crazy and like throw anything by me. And if I react in a certain way, it's like,

oh, suddenly they're like, oh, fuck you. You're not as fun as I thought you were. Like, no, like you subscribe to me. Which is so childish to think that like someone's

job is like how you should like interact with them when they're not it's very like no honey there's a human under Mickey right exactly like you can't walk up and grab Mickey's butt just because Mickey the character is such a slut you know what I mean like there's a human in there even though Mickey's a big whore but also I feel like

I feel like the two of you, people want friendship from the two of you. Yes. And that's not a bad thing to... Like, that is not a toxic thing to, like... That is so different from people on OnlyFans being...

being like treated and talked and spoken to like chattel because it's completely sexual and whatever. Like I can handle that. Yeah. The parasocial thing with us is like maybe sometimes people will talk to us like as if they know us. And what's funny is when they start doing it and they're like, like one time, like someone came over to Bowen and was like, bitch and like yelled bitch. And like, it was like, you can feel them feel in the moment. Like it was Robert De Niro. De Niro. It was Bobby. It was De Niro at the SAG Awards. He was like, bitch. Yeah.

You little F-flur. Yeah, sometimes it's like you can literally see in a moment people realize like, oh, I just talked to him like I know him, I don't know him. But I think it's just, you know, tales all this time. Totally, totally fine. I do feel like

This sounds like such a naive discovery, but I feel like people who have followings will engender and reflect the things about them onto those people on a larger scale. Does that make sense? A perfect example is Sarah Sherman. Her fans are people who sent her fan art and are so creative and so kooky and weird and silly because that's who she is. Yeah.

I feel like, Julio, you invite people who are extremely, like, thoughtful and, like, artistic. But then, like, people, what are you saying? That, like, people, like, walk up to Sarah and be like, do you want to see my sit? And she does talk about that. She's like, people do also, like, I think we all have this thing of, like, anyone who has, like, an online or, like, a persona in one public-facing way and then a private inner life, which is almost everybody, like, has this weird...

dissonant thing where it's like, oh, but you think that like you're able to bring that to me and I'm supposed to like honor and appraise that in a way that you expect. And it's not exactly what it is. And it's not exactly what it is. Like I'm trying to find the right words. You found them. I did. But like people seem very measured with you. Who are talking to me? Yeah. Yeah. I don't think I've had any interactions that have made me uncomfortable. Yeah.

Yeah, no. There was one at my Christmas show where, and I adore this person. And if this person hears this and knows it's them or thinks it's them, like just take it away from you. I'm just saying it in an amorphous way. There was someone who came out to me once at one of my shows and said, I have to tell you,

I hated you for a really long time. And I listened to the podcast and I hated you. I couldn't stand you. And then I realized I was you. And that's why I hated you. And they go like, because when you are like too much or you're annoying or you say the thing that you shouldn't say, like I just, I said, I hate him. And then I realized, no, I hated myself.

All the things about you that I don't like were the things I didn't like about me. And then they were like, and now I love you. Like, I appreciate you. I respect you. You inspire me. Because I have learned to love myself. And I was just like,

sort of taking it in and I was like, oh, like I get it, but like, it's not, it's a lot when you're on the receiving end of it because it's just like, oh, okay. Like you're still hearing the words, I hated you, you know? Of course. And the reasons why. Yeah, and the reasons why. Just like, and I'm literally standing there like with the vinyl she had bought in my hands, like signing it, like, okay. Oh my God. People waiting behind her. I was like, okay, okay.

What did you write? Thanks for not hating me anymore. I know I can be too much. Winky face. Knowing me, I probably wrote love you mama XOXO Matt Rogers. You know what I mean? Matt Rogers clocking in with a love you mama. Love you mama. Love you mama. Love you mama. Love you mama. Love you mama. Love you mama. XOXO. Don't smoke. Wow. That's beautiful.

Bowen? Yeah. What? Do you have anything to say to that person that called you a bitch, Robert De Niro? Do you want to say something to Robert? Robert was, it was in the middle of Tribeca Film Festival, which is his festival. It is his festival to revitalize downtown New York. To revitalize downtown New York after 9-11. You know, I was a volunteer for the Tribeca Film Festival twice when I was in college.

That's great. It must have been good enough for you to go back. I just thought like, oh, if I'm the best volunteer, they're going to give me a job and I'm going to get a visa. So I was just like doing, I would do anything that people would allow me to do. Yeah. But did you learn a lot about film? No. I'm not going to learn it.

No, I didn't. I was like, I'm not sure. In a little Tribeca Film Festival t-shirt. That's the thing about going to those festivals. It is so hard to see anything. I don't even know how to wrap my head around like getting- Logistically. Yeah. Forget it. I've been to Sundance twice. I've not seen a movie at Sundance. What?

I'm not kidding. I'm not kidding. That's not true. You went last time. You told me about things you saw last time you went. Bib, no. I've never seen a movie at Sundance. I had to get away to see a movie. And then it was like, oh, the ticket is in a seat. Like, you know, you have to get in here early. It's like any of the good stuff. Like, I couldn't even finagle my way in with like connections. I was like, I. You're like, can I please watch a movie?

I definitely wanted to watch a movie. Watch a movie. I got tickets to one movie, which was the Brooke Shields documentary. And I was excited about seeing it. But then you're at Sundance and it's like, oh, so much. And like, you're so tired. Everyone's so hung over the entire time. And yeah.

We didn't end up going. And there's like the Uggs Lounge or whatever. Right. I mean, when there's the Uggs Lounge, do you really have to go see a movie? You know what I mean? There's so much to do in the Uggs Lounge. Yeah. They have Coco. They make that main street of Park City so fun. Like, you don't ever have to leave. I'm not a festival person. I must say, I have a hard time...

with festivals. I think that Edinburgh really took it out of me. Yeah. It's a tough one. Well, that's totally different from like South by what you did for problemista. Yeah. But there you just show up. You're not really doing anything. The movie is made. And then, but you're still promoting it. You're still like putting on a face to like talk about like the thing you made and yeah, yeah, yeah. You answer questions and,

Yeah. I'm always like, be likable. Be likable. Be likable. Oh my god. Be likable. You don't have to try. You are. Hey Bowen, lately I've been thinking about starting a new adventure and I've been needing the perfect car to get me there.

Well, there's a car for that on Cars.com, Matt. Yes, the rumors are true. Cars.com encourages shoppers to explore all the possibility a new car holds. You're right, Beau. Ever since I moved to the city, I've been needing something small and nimble to zip through these tight streets. And now I know there's a car for that.

Cars.com. You love to zip, zip, zip through these tight streets. Ooh, what do you think you'll get, Matt? Maybe an electric car? I think that would be perfect for you. Save the environment and get everywhere I need to be?

Yeah.

Yeah, cars.com definitely has a car for that. Listen, whatever your next chapter looks like, cars.com has the tools, expert advice, and over 2 million new and used cars to help you find the perfect fit with 50,000 cars added daily. So start your search now with cars.com. Hey.

Where to next? Listen, real tequila drinkers know there's nothing better than 21 Seeds infused tequila. This award-winning tequila is infused from the juice of real fruit that's smooth but not sweet. And the flavors? They're fresh.

and bright. In fact, so fresh and so bright that you only need two or three ingredients to make the perfect margarita. So you can just sit back, focus on the fun, and enjoy some drinks that are so good it's kind of ridiculous. 21 Seeds is causing drama across the entire cocktail scene, and that's why they've teamed up with Rachel Bilson, the OC's original drama queen, Summer Roberts, for an

awesome collab. In honor of the 21st birthday of the OC, Rachel is mixing up cocktails with 21 Seeds Tequila, her favorite tequila by the way, and appearing in new scenes from the series you've loved and missed, The OC. Check out this summer's most awesome collab at 21 Seeds Instagram. And try 21 Seeds infused tequila for yourself. You'll love it.

Girl. What?

the genres you love or discover new ones with the best selection of audiobooks, podcasts, and Audible Originals all in one app. Audible makes it easy to be inspired and entertained as part of your daily routine without needing to set aside extra time. Now I fold it into my commutes, my household chores, even my exercise. I love pumping iron. Well, it's clearly working.

There's more to imagine when you listen. New members can try Audible now free for 30 days with your first audiobook included. Visit audible.com forward slash culturistas or text culturistas to 500500. That's audible.com slash culturistas or text culturistas to 500500. Hey, everyone. We here at Lost Culturistas love culture.

Philadelphia cream cheese. With over a dozen different flavors, it is extremely versatile and can be used to enhance any meal or snack. Philadelphia cream cheese makes everything creamier. It can be used in so much more than their classic bagel and cream cheese. You can dip veggies or crackers into it to snack on, enhance your guacamole with it, make creamy pasta alfredo, buffalo chicken dip, and more. I personally love to use it to make things like cheesecake cookies and sauces dips.

Oh, we love a good dip in this house. The Philadelphia website has so many amazing recipes. You can try if you need some more inspiration as well. One I've been knowing lately is their Philly stuffed mushrooms. Yum. Sign me up. Visit creamcheese.com for recipe inspiration so you can start adding Philadelphia cream cheese to your recipes at home.

You know, I was coming over here on my work over here. I was like, Julio, you got to remember this time be funny. This time you just got to be, you just got to be funny. I am always so, I recess to audience member often. And I'm like, oh, these are funny and I'm enjoying it. And I'm like, quietly like, hee hee. And then I'm like, oh, wait, no.

Well, you couldn't wait to talk at the top. I know, I know. And I have to be charming and engaging so that people will consume my product. Hashtag press. Hashtag press. Yeah, it must be charming and engaging so that people consume my product. So to that point, I would hypothetically go to a wedding there. I was going to say to that point, to that point, you would hypothetically go to a theme park.

I've gone to a theme park. I think it's great. I love Christmas. I'll eat anything. Weddings are awesome. Invite me to dinner. There. Love group fitness was praised for my attitude. Celebrated even. You're describing our lives. You're describing what we have to put ourselves through.

I enjoy group fitness. I will say the only thing about group fitness. This is why people consume your product. I know. Well, then I'll say, okay, so here's the thing. Here's the other side of the coin though. I am so enthusiastic about so many things that when I'm unenthusiastic about things or if I'm negative about something, people are like,

Whoa. They like react to it weirdly. But then I don't know. The comment recently, I guess, has been like that we like too many things. OK, wait, did you were you in a don't leave the table to finish anything household? Actually, my parents would not let me get up and leave the table unless my dinner was finished. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. See, I was in a.

my mom would be like, if you don't want to eat something, don't eat it. Don't eat it. Because if you ever do something that you don't want to do, it'll make you sick. Oh my God. Yeah. That's actually very healthy. I like my whole childhood, just white rice and saltines. Cause I was like, I don't like color. Color gives me a headache.

White rice and saltines. Yeah, just more white rice and saltines, please. I want to eat your racers. They look so yummy. They do look real yummy. Because you know what they look like?

Gum. Gum. Famously edible. But the big white ones. Yeah. Those felt so good in the hand. And it kind of, I just wanted. Yeah. When they were a little translucent. Yeah. Oh, which is your favorite. I do. I do. That's why I love tofu. Just like open up a carton of tofu and eating it. It's like eating. Tofu is great.

- Tofu's amazing. - Tofu does not get talked about enough as being one of the great things. - Can I make tofu for you guys for dinner? And you guys don't have to, and no one can say it's good. - Are you good at making it? Like I've never heard you say I'm really good at preparing tofu. - Babe, I make a good mapo tofu and I can make a good vegan version

And you guys would both like it, but not have to go through the whole charade of saying, oh my God, this is so good. And I swear I will not ever, ever once say, oh, it's fine. I did my best. We don't need silence. Yeah. Well, because that's our genuine friend and he's not going to be like, oh, I'm upset because they didn't tell me how good the food was. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Not like that. It's not like that. I will say there's one person whose food is restaurant quality and it is Dave Mazzoni. His food is restaurant quality. Wow. What does Dave Mazzoni make? Italian Feast.

He'll just like, I remember one time we were there like years ago. Yes, very that like rich Italian food. Like we were, Bowen, do you remember years ago when we were at, we were doing some meeting for popular at Dave's house and then like out of nowhere, we didn't even smell it cooking. He just comes down with like,

so much lasagna and like cannolis and like like it was just like it was just like there was so much happening and we were just like oh my god and it was just like excellent but Italians when you can't really mess up so Dave sucks laughing

Yeah. Italian food. It is my understanding that when it's done very well, people really like it. Oh, what are you, not an Italian food fan? Oh, man. Yeah. You don't eat that? Not, no, I don't. I don't, not really. A lot of it has egg and cheese and butter. What is the current pop culture that you're consuming? Like, for example, have you hit play on the like Billie Eilish album at all?

I have not hit play on the Billie Eilish album at all. What is the current pop culture that I'm consuming? By current, you mean like active, right? It's like 2024 to question mark. Yeah, 2024 to question mark. Like what's out right now? Like what is the thing that's happening right now where you were like, I want to engage in that. Like I feel like so. I have been engaging. I have been actively engaging. OMG fashion.

in OMG fashion. I, what else? What else? What else? Perfect name, OMG fashion. It is the perfect name. I'm trying to like really, anime is very daunting for me because there's so much of it. So I never really know where to start, but I have been watching the show Pluto.

which I hear Pluto's good. I really have been enjoying. It's daunting, but it's quick. You watch it in like a day or two because not a lot of them do more than one or two seasons unless it's like your huge show. Yeah. And James and your boyfriend knows all of the good ones too. He does. He does. But then like the suggestion list is so long. I know. Yeah. Yeah. You should watch Assassination Classroom.

assassination classroom. Do you want to know the premise? They teach them how to be assassins. But okay, here's the thing. I don't like bloody. Me neither. It's not bloody. Can I tell you what the premise is? It has the name assassination in it, Bowen. I think you're going to like it. No, no, no. Here's why. What's the truth? Well, here's the plot. Okay, and I might put you up, but this is the plot. An alien with a big yellow head and like two small eyes and a smiley face like mouth has blown up half of the moon.

And the world is like, oh my god, what's happening? And then the alien comes. Where's the rest of the moon? Well, yeah. They're like, oh my god, the moon is gone. Like, this is fucking up the gravity, whatever. Okay. And then this alien goes down to Earth and takes over a school in Japan.

And becomes a teacher at that school. Gets staffed. Well, he like takes over the school and becomes a staff member. And staffs himself, as it were. Gets an ID, the whole thing. The whole thing. A parking pass. Well, like wears, does teacher drag, like dresses up like a teacher, but has like an alien face and head or whatever. And he's teaching a class full of students, like has a class full of students. He goes, if one of you can kill me,

The only way you can get the moon back is if one of you kills me.

But like, they all like try to kill him, but he always like thwarts them. And there's a reason why this all happens. And it's actually a really well constructed story. I think you would both really like it. Assassination school? Assassination classroom. Classroom. Okay. I'm bookmarking that not only for watching and enjoying, but also because it reminds me of my I Don't Think So Honey, which we'll say in a second. But first, I want to ask both of you, if you have heard about this movie that just premiered at Cannes,

called The Substance with Demi Moore and Margaret Qualley. Tell us. I have heard the buzz, but I have not seen the movie. So this is, I guess, it's like, it's this movie that won Best Screenplay at Cannes. It got one of the longer standing ovations, which they go off with standing ovations. They do love a standing ovation at Cannes. And just really... They timed them. Yes. And Lily Gladstone, who Bowen is working with now, was on the Cannes jury, and I'm dying to...

find out what the tea was about watching this movie and what it was like because apparently it's a thriller, right? Yes. It's like a horror thriller, but really it's body horror. So it stars Demi Moore as an aging actress. She's like an Academy Award winning actress and her name, just to give you a sense of the tone, is Elizabeth Sparkle.

So she plays Elizabeth Sparkle. She's a former Academy Award winning actress who now does like fitness videos. So it's supposed to be like Jane Fonda. She's up in years ish. Like Hollywood has told her she's fucking ancient. She's really in her middle age. Like she essentially gets like replaced at her job, which is doing this fitness video because they're going to get like a younger person.

She is told that she can start taking this supplement or this injection or whatever it is called the substance. And what it does is it literally allows your cells to replicate so that another younger, better quote unquote version of you comes out of your spine splits and the younger version of you comes out. And that's Margaret Qualley. So basically the rule is the you that's younger has to like

sustain and take care of the older body for a week while you go live your life as the younger, more vibrant thing. Then after a week, the older you comes to consciousness and has to maintain the younger body.

So basically, it becomes this story about how... It's like a body swap thing. Essentially, yes. But it's like the younger version apparently starts really feeling herself because she's young, beautiful, in the world, is valued. Yes, very that. I am a human. I have legs and eyes. Yes, and sort of just like...

Sorry. Like becoming a star in this younger body, but then goes to the old body and she walks around the world and basically like everyone's like, ugh, like whatever, treating her like

I guess to me more. You know what I mean? And she is unable to see that she's still valid in her older body. So the younger version starts to slip in terms of taking care of the older one. And the big rule of the movie is to remember that they are one organism or else things will be catastrophic.

Like, no spoilers because I don't know what happens, but apparently... I know. Also remarkable that you have not seen this movie. I know, but I'm fascinated by it. Like, I've read so much about it because I also feel like I don't know if I'm going to sit through it. So I'm consuming a lot of it because it was the talk of the festival. Wait, what do you mean you don't know if you're going to sit through it? Because of what I'm about to say. Oh, okay. I'm very squeamish too. And apparently the third act is the most intense, graphic, sustained...

violent body horror, like, in cinema history since, like, The Fly, like, in the late 80s with Jeff Goldblum, like, where his body essentially decomposes and, like, because he turns into a fly, essentially. So this movie was... Apparently had people, like, passing out and throwing up after watching it, but it was also very quickly acclaimed. Oh, my God, it's been a while since we had those urban legends of, like, people, like...

during the movie. The last one in my memory was Passion of the Christ. Oh my God. That's so funny. But apparently Demi Moore may even be up for an Oscar because she is like, apparently incredibly fearless and brave in the way that she acts this last act.

and also the fact that like she's confronting this thing that's been said about her and

for the majority of her career. Since she was, you know, young, people have been talking about her appearance, the way that she's, you know, conceptualized in everyone's mind's eye as like this idea of like cinematic perfection. And then that person got older, may have had work done, et cetera. The entire like trajectory of her career has had this shadow of, you know, the male gaze on it. And so for her to do this movie, I think she's getting a lot of like what apparently is well-earned praise for it. And the movie won best screenplay at Cannes because it's,

apparently it's just that bold. So that's like a Greta Gerwig jury right there. So I'm excited.

What do you mean it's a Greta Gerwig jury? She was the head of the jury. Oh, oh, oh, oh. I thought you were saying it's a Greta Gerwig-esque jury. No, yeah, yeah. I was describing the vibe as Greta Gerwig. But just for her to preside over that jury and like, you know, her to be as like renowned and talented writer as she is and for her to give that best screenplay, I think is, you know, it's exciting. Wow. Greta, like her vocabulary with like film history is like so wild. I'm like, oh, like I heard some of her feedback, like when she

which was sharing thoughts. All of her quotes were like, you know, it reminded me of the classical structures of a blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, oh my God, like you really do know it all. Like, where does one learn? What would your masterclass be on? If you had a masterclass, what would it be on? Hmm. Fucking...

masturbating at the worst times of day that would be my master class what's the worst wow we got the meme from this episode yeah what's the worst time of day um i'm gonna say like right before they need you on set yeah no no no no i like like 4 4 p.m oh yeah yeah no that's pretty bad i actually was 10 minutes late to therapy because i like i had it at four and i like

had to come at 3.15 p.m. like something happened or whatever I was like I have to jack off and then I got in the car and we had traffic because I have to go all the way to Pasadena and I was like well fuck this traffic I'm like no fuck you because you had to jack off at 3.15, 3.20

I do agree it is the worst time. What was the name that I gave you? What was the name you gave me? Dustin. Dustin Dallas. That's a Dustin Dallas move right there. I will tell you this. Sorry I'm late. I had to come. This is something I will... Speaking of during the day sexual behavior, I won't say who or why or what, but I was at one of those group fitness classes during the day a couple weeks ago, and the instructor was so like...

and encouraging. And so, there was an energy. Like all of it. Just like the best version of what that person is. Where I went home, got on Grindr, and. Messaged him. You went to Cerebro. Took a load in the middle of the day. In the middle of the day. I,

I never do that. From him? No, from someone else. From someone else very much thinking about him. From a surrogate. From a surrogate. It was a surrogate. I must find the ideal surrogate. Exactly, the substance. To fulfill my fantasy. I must find. I must find the boy. And if not, a surrogate will have to do. Yeah. A surrogate did it. Was that your grinder name? I must find the boy. I must find the boy. Or else a surrogate will have to do.

And then I had a lot of, you know, surrogates come forward. Not a lot. I mean... Do you think the surrogate... You think you'll see the surrogate again? Actually, yeah. This guy, like, fucking... Really. It was great. I actually was... It made me realize, like, huh. Maybe sex during the day is the move. Oh, I love it. Yeah. Same. I think it's great. You know? I don't know. I just... There's something about having sex in the daylight. Oh, the lighting. And the lighting is great. The reason I say 4.30 is...

You come and then if you get lucky later on in the night,

Then you're like, oh, I already ate. You know? And then it's like, oh, and then you kind of get some performance anxiety around that. What a busy life. I think that's why I liked the daytime fuck because it was like, now I don't have to even encounter the thing at night because I'm not looking for it at night. So I'm not going to be disappointed at night. You know what I mean? Like I did that during the day and it went really well. So I don't have to feel bad about it later. Disappointed at night. Another great title for something. Disappointed at night. For this episode.

Disappointed at night. Disappointed at night. That's beautiful. I think it's my fourth time on Las Culturistas. My fourth time on Las Culturistas. Is it the fourth time or is it the third time? Fourth. I don't know. I mean, canonically, it's going to be fourth, I guess. Because you were on once with Anna. You were on once. I remember your first episode was iconically called Yes, dot, dot, dot, because we talked about... I don't think that was my first episode. That was not your first episode? Really? I don't believe so. I think this is fourth. I think this is fourth. Yeah, well, it's fourth no matter what. Okay. Okay.

My fourth episode of Lost Couch. My fourth episode. Should we do I Don't Think So, Honey? Yes. Oh, God. I totally forgot this fourth time on Lost Couch. Oh, my word. Oh, my word.

Hey Bowen, lately I've been thinking about starting a new adventure and I've been needing the perfect car to get me there. Well, there's a car for that on Cars.com, Matt. Yes, the rumors are true. Cars.com encourages shoppers to explore all the possibility a new car holds. You're right, Bow. Ever since I moved to the city, I've been needing something small and nimble to zip through these tight streets. And now I know, there's a car for that.

Cars.com. You love to zip, zip, zip through these tight streets. Ooh, what do you think you'll get, Matt? Maybe an electric car? I think that would be perfect for you. Save the environment and get everywhere I need to be? Now that's a plan I can get behind. And thanks to Cars.com, the go-to site for new and used cars, car shopping is now so easy and fun.

So easy, so fun, and so full of possibilities. Get inspired to find your perfect car. I know I am. Color me so full of inspiration. We need our readers to imagine all the amazing things you can do with the right car. Like finally start that small business you've been dreaming about.

Yeah, cars.com definitely has a car for that. Listen, whatever your next chapter looks like, cars.com has the tools, expert advice, and over 2 million new and used cars to help you find the perfect fit with 50,000 cars added daily. So start your search now with cars.com. Hey.

Where to next? Listen, real tequila drinkers know there's nothing better than 21 Seeds infused tequila. This award-winning tequila is infused from the juice of real fruit that's smooth but not sweet. And the flavors? They're fresh.

and bright. In fact, so fresh and so bright that you only need two or three ingredients to make the perfect margarita. So you can just sit back, focus on the fun, and enjoy some drinks that are so good it's kind of ridiculous. 21 Seeds is causing drama across the entire cocktail scene, and that's why they've teamed up with Rachel Bilson, the OC's original drama queen, Summer Roberts, for an

awesome collab. In honor of the 21st birthday of the OC, Rachel is mixing up cocktails with 21 Seeds Tequila, her favorite tequila by the way, and appearing in new scenes from the series you've loved and missed, The OC. Check out this summer's most awesome collab at 21 Seeds Instagram. And try 21 Seeds infused tequila for yourself. You'll love it.

Girl. Girl.

the genres you love or discover new ones with the best selection of audiobooks, podcasts, and Audible Originals all in one app. Audible makes it easy to be inspired and entertained as part of your daily routine without needing to set aside extra time. Now I fold it into my commutes, my household chores, even my exercise. I love pumping iron. Well, it's clearly working. Ooh. Ha ha ha!

There's more to imagine when you listen. New members can try Audible now free for 30 days with your first audiobook included. Visit audible.com forward slash culturistas or text culturistas to 500500. That's audible.com slash culturistas or text culturistas to 500500. Hey, everyone. We here at Lost Culturistas love culture.

Philadelphia cream cheese. With over a dozen different flavors, it is extremely versatile and can be used to enhance any meal or a snack. Philadelphia cream cheese makes everything creamier. It can be used in so much more than their classic bagel and cream cheese. You can dip veggies or crackers into it to snack on, enhance your guacamole with it, make creamy pasta alfredo, buffalo chicken dip, and more. I personally love to use it to make things like cheesecake cookies and sauces dips.

Oh, we love a good dip in this house. The Philadelphia website has so many amazing recipes. You can try if you need some more inspiration as well. One I've been eyeing lately is their Philly stuffed mushrooms. Yum. Sign me up. Visit creamcheese.com for recipe inspiration so you can start adding Philadelphia cream cheese to your recipes at home.

Okay, so this is Las Culturistas, this big segment. I don't think so, honey. We do a one-minute, you know, twirl on something that's not so great. And the aliens of it all actually reminded me I woke up on the conspiracy side of the bed this morning and my eyes have been opened to something and I really have to alert the world. Oh, my God. This is Matt Rogers. I don't think so, honey. His time starts now. I don't think so, honey. Aliens existing. I'll tell you what it is.

If you don't think... My dad sent me a drone light show. It was like a Star Wars drone light show. And I was like...

like huh you know what this reminds me of those unidentified flying objects that are all around that no one can explain it's like i'm sorry but things moving unnaturally in the sky they're drones i'll tell you who has more money than even nasa elon musk space x is the reason why there are quote-unquote aliens there are no aliens what they're trying to do and this is elon musk

And I'm saying this and there's going to be a bounty on my head after I say this. I'm bravely saying it on Last Cult. Elon Musk wants us to believe that there are aliens so that he can start a war. We can have a common enemy. Okay, because there's nothing more powerful than you creating your own army. He wants to basically convince us all there are aliens so that we fear...

the external and he will control us this way I don't think so honey and that's one minute oh my god that's how I feel I don't think there are aliens I think it's SpaceX your most Marianne Williamson coded thing yet oh I say that I go oh anytime someone says Marianne Williamson does anyone feel that I'm does anyone feel I'm right

Well, I don't know if you're right, but I do think that that is compelling. Like, I watched this drone show and I was like, wow. A drone show? It was like a Star Wars themed... They make shapes in the sky. Yeah, it's like essentially replacing fireworks shows. So you're going to see less and less fireworks shows as time goes forward. It's Sky Entertainment. Okay, that is the name of your LLC. Sky.

Sky Entertainment. If it wasn't Basic Instincts Inc., it would be Sky Entertainment. Isn't that a great name? Maybe my last name is Sky. Maybe I'm Dustin Sky. Yes. Oh, Dustin Sky's good. So it's like synchronized swimming, but with robots. 100%, Julio. That's exactly what it is. That's kind of cute. It is programmed...

Sky entertainment, lights in the sky, and basically they can control to do anything. And also then you don't have like the environmental issue of like the fireworks every single night, I guess. Because you're watching robots move around in the sky. 100%. So basically, and they can do things that fireworks can't. Like they can create these designs and these lettering in the sky. Like what you can see they're capable of is like mind blowing. And I'm watching it and I'm like, I'm sorry, but...

who is out there still saying that there are aircrafts that move in ways that things can't move? I'm like, there are drones in the sky that can do anything. Like, why are we following this train of logic? I see your point. It's like this helicopter went backwards and they don't do that. I have news for you. Yes, they do. When they're not helicopters, they're drones. But Matt, how do you explain like pre Elon Musk? Like this was a phenomenon. Okay. I don't think it was. Yeah.

Oh, I don't think it was. I think UFO sightings have. Yes. People always said UFO sightings, but none of them could ever be substantiated. Now, all of a sudden we have quote unquote substantiated like. But we declassified a lot of these documents. Not we, I just mean the government has declassified a lot of. No, they ask you. They ask you to co-sign. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I co-signed. They're like any Bowen signature. Well, Bowen is Illuminati. I'm

I'm Illuminati. But like, I feel like this is slowly coming to the surface. But I respect and I agree with Julio. This is compelling. I don't know that I'm following you completely. This is all you need to know.

Anytime you see something in the sky that's moving in like an unidentifiable pattern or like an unnatural way, the way that quote unquote birds don't move or quote unquote, you know, aircrafts don't move. It's like you should just watch a Star Wars drone show. Just watch it. And then you'll understand that things very much do move like that. Wait, I'm sorry. When you say Star Wars drone show. Yes, I do mean Disney. If that's your question. Oh, so this is at Disney. Very much so. Okay.

And what makes it a Star Wars drone show? Is it like they like form Princess Leia's face? I'm just going to show you on this. Okay, because it's literally unbelievable. My dad sent it to me like he does all the time. So can you see this? Now look, look, that's a drone. That's not a firework. That's supposed to mimic the two sons of Tatooine. And you'll see they're starting to drift slowly down as if the sun is setting.

Okay. And now they're disappeared. Now see that they've disappeared. And now look what happens. They're rearranged. They've rearranged in seconds.

to create this Death Star in the sky. And the Death Star is slightly rotating. So what I'm saying is if we are able to create this in the sky for entertainment, why would we think that Elon Musk and SpaceX or Bezos or whatever the fuck, whatever is going on, whoever has the amount of money that can do this in the sky would not try to control human ideology and fear as it relates to the unknown. Fear is a controller.

And I feel that this is what's happening in a major way. And I think that sheeple think it's aliens, but there are no aliens. Wow. Okay. I know. Again, again, I think it's very compelling. I'm compelling. I'll look into it. I'll look into it. You know, I was on, I was on mushrooms the other day and I was with Henry Kapurski and he said, you're making a really good point. And I pointed at him and looked in his eyes and said, I am very compelling.

I am very compelling.

I am very compelling. And he couldn't help but agree. You always were. You always were. He always was. Because just know that Elon Musk is going to assassinate me now. This part of the episode is going to be mysteriously not there anymore. No. And I'm going to be the only one who knows the truth that the both of you were in cahoots with SpaceX. Yeah. Has anyone else's algorithm been feeding AI images of Elon Musk and Zuckerberg images?

Yes, yes, I got it. There's a lot of Elon Musk. What is it? It's like Elon and Mark Zuckerberg being a couple. It's like the whole... They're a very believable couple, I would say. I'm like, oh yeah, they're a T. It's like when people were doing the Trump-Putin gay love thing, and it's like now they're doing that with new AI technology. It's like that same sort of goof. We have unlocked human potential. Honestly, with AI, we've officially gone too far. You want to know why?

Because on this new season of The Circle, one of the people competing is just full-on AI. And Michelle Buteau is narrating it being like, and the producers are not, they have no idea what this AI is going to do. And it's just an AI. It's learning the game. It is learning the social dynamics that it's going to play. And it's doing an incredible job so far. I've only watched one and a half episodes. But I'm like, I literally was like sitting here like watching it.

And I'm thinking to myself, like, at what point is the AI just going to learn to take over the show? Like, I just, the AI thing is really, and now we're having fun with it on Netflix's The Circle? I mean, yeah. I don't know. We've already sort of like... Get an AI host on The View. Honestly, we're really close. Like, wouldn't it be fun if one of the hosts was AI? Would it have compelling things to say? You've already asked the question and you don't want to have to pay that host.

Right. You don't have to pay it. Can't believe it. Like if they're basically saying like, oh, like what if this AI like wins the circle? What then? It's doing a really good job. It's better at social stuff than humans. I don't know. What is the circle?

it's a game yeah what is it bro it's a game show it's like a game show where everyone is locked in their own rooms and they only communicate through this like social media platform and then people have to like it's as if like influencers was gamified like the whole concept of like being likable on the internet was like gamified into like a survivor slash like big brother style of like eliminating people it's fun it's really like it becomes very compelling it is like

a little dystopic and it is like kind of simplifying, oversimplifying what social media is, but it's fun to watch. But I'm going to watch, I haven't watched in a while. I'm going to watch this one. It's just interesting because like they're all in their own room. They all have these avatars and that's how they communicate. And some of the real humans that are being themselves are communicating and you see the other people sort of like

digest the way that they've said hello and they're like hmm that person sounds really wooden and i bet that person's a catfish because a lot of them are catfish that's like part of the game and they're fully real human beings expressing themselves normally and then this ai comes in aware of the fact that they need to have more of a personality so it like stutters by accident and wow so they say things like a little bit offbeat a little bit off like i was like

on when they meet in or whatever. Yes. And basically the AI has chosen its avatar and its personality and its like age. And like, it's a guy, it's like a white guy and it's mid twenties. It looks like cute, but not handsome, like non-threatening holding a cute dog.

And the AI is like, studies have shown that 70% of photos of dogs do better. You automatically are a more likable person. And it's like working. You see the other people, the contestants being like, I love that dog. I know I'm going to get along with Adam. There's...

I guess like there's some magazine or something that does like videos of like during press junkets. Like the one I saw a clip of was Chris Hemsworth and Annie Taylor Joy like playing with puppies. And there's something so like dark and primal about that. Yep. About being like, here are these two beautiful blonde people playing with dogs. Enjoy it.

Eat it. And it is widely enjoyed. Eat this. Yeah. Here's some content. It's like woof. To say nothing of the dogs, but woof. Woof. Why am I saying it like woof? You find that I'm AI? I think I'm the least AI out of all of us, to be honest. Refreshingly human. Bowen Yang AI. I am.

I'm A-I-A-F. Well, let's find out what AI has to say. Bowen Yang, do you have an I don't think so, honey? I do. It's very, very stupid. It's not... But I think people will relate. This is Bowen Yang's relatable I don't think so, honey. His time starts now. I don't think so, honey. Cutting up a bell pepper. There is no agreed upon way to slice bell pepper. And we're all...

This is why language and communication is broken down across the world. It's not social media. It's because we have not settled on a way to chop up bell pepper in our salads, in our soups, in our stews, in our snacks.

everyone's like, oh, you got to cut around the stem or oh, you got to like get the white like pithy stuff out. You got to get like the rounded part out. It has to be straight strips. No, we have to agree upon one way to cut bell pepper. Otherwise, this is the Tower of Babel all over again. If we can't agree on how to do this one simple thing, then what hope do we have as a civilization? What hope do we have? 15 seconds.

for society, for the way that, why are we growing these damn vegetables in the first place if we're not even going to agree on how to use them? It's not about personal preference. It's about making sure there's a standard way and a way that sort of

encourages equality. And that's one minute. I was going to say it's like the Tower of Babel all over again. We must find a way of cutting the pepper that encourages equality. Equality and community. That was really important, Bowen. There's no community around bell peppers.

Well, I will say in terms of the stem, you definitely do have to cut around the stem. And I think that the rule of thumb with bell peppers is you just have to do a little bit more work. You have to dice them more than you think. But it's worth it. It is worth it. I love bell pepper. Oh, certainly. Julia, what do you think as a vegan? How do you feel about bell pepper? I think they're very important. Me too.

How do you feel about it? I think they're very important. Yeah, you love the question. You love the witness. Very leading question. How do you feel about it? I think it's very important. How do you feel about representation? I think it's bad. Julio is going to still say the truth, no matter how you look. Yeah, I know, I know. Talk about bell peppers.

To me, bell peppers are neither a plus nor a minus. They're like iceberg lettuce to me. But iceberg lettuce is no nutritional value. If it's there, I'll have it. I'll never miss it. Okay, fine. What's your, like, if you had to make, like, sort of like your little vegan lunch, what is it? I think my favorite food, well... Sushi? What?

You like sushi. Sushi. Oh, sushi. No, but I do like meals that are contained. So sushi is very good.

A burrito, I think, is really good because it's a big capsule of food. Yeah. And by contained, you mean like actually the food keeps itself together. The food keeps itself together. Yes. I don't need you unraveling in front of me. Right. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Yeah. So you go to Chipotle, let's just say. You're certainly not going to get like a burrito bowl. No, I don't go to Chipotle. Well, but you wouldn't get a burrito bowl.

If I hypothetically had to go to a Chipotle, I would not get a burrito bowl. Right. Is a taco self-contained? That unravels in front of you very often. A taco is needy, right? A taco needs to be held. So needy. Oh my God. Needs to be held or else it's nothing. Yeah, you're right. Sushi needs nothing from you. It's so true. It's so true.

Sushi needs nothing from you. Just enjoy it. You know, there's a lot of people out there thinking that you can't eat too much sushi. I have to say, last night I found out that wasn't true. You can. Yeah. Because I woke up this morning and I felt like garbage. And I was like, what happened? Too much sushi? And I realized, well, it's because a lot of people are talking about how they don't think you can eat too much of it. Where do you hear that? No, Matt. Listen to your body. I don't really remember where I heard it, but it's out there.

but the sushi doesn't need anything from you yeah do you know what i mean that still doesn't change the fact that sushi does not ask anything of you and it's on you that you ate so much yeah it's a theory i understand what you're saying i'm not really following but um is that what i said to you about the drones yeah i think it's compelling i don't really understand what you're saying but wow that's not how i said it okay

Well, we'll talk about this offline. Okay. Julio, are you ready to do I Don't Think So, Honey? Yeah, and I'm actually very proud of it because I just thought about it. Okay. I did not prepare. This is Julio Torres' I Don't Think So, Honey. Time starts now. I Don't Think So, Honey, the barricade around the portal. Are you familiar with the portal? No. It's the circular...

portal in New York. It's like a big screen with a live feed between Manhattan and I want to say Dublin. And the whole thing is that like tourists in both cities can just like wave at each other. There's a barricade. 30 seconds. Where is it? I want to say it's Madison Square Park, maybe. There's a barricade. And there is a barricade around the portal, guarding the portal. But

Because too many people were exposing themselves in both countries. 15 seconds. Or just showing foul things to each other. But frankly, if you don't trust the public with public art, we have failed as a society. Five seconds. If public art is too delicate or begs itself to be used in a specific way, then you are condescending to the audience and we don't need it. Oh. And that's one minute. That's beautiful. That was really...

Not only was it beautiful to hear you say, I don't think so, honey, the barricade around the portal, but also the facts were there too. If public art can't be public, we've failed. Yeah. If public art can't be public, we have failed. Release the portal. Open the portal. Drop the barricade to the portal. Drop the barricade to the portal at once. If I were mayor, and I will be someday, that is the first thing I'll do. I will say,

Drop the barricade to the portal. Everyone must have access to the portal. That would be my first tweet as mayor. You're not going to be mayor. Yes, I will be. No, you have a thriving Hollywood career, whether you like it or not. Well, look at Reagan. Look at Reagan.

Look at Schwarzenegger. Yeah, look at Schwarzenegger. I'll do it. Now, the portal is beautiful. I've just looked up. I've never seen this in the city. Me neither. Well, it's flopping. It's giving the vessel all over again. The vessel is so sad. The vessel is just like...

Have I shown you my collection of guys on Tinder that have pictures with the vessel? Yes. I would love to see it. A lot of gay guys, exclusively gay guys that people use. The only ones I can see on Tinder. They won't let me see anything else. The vessel is the gay Machu Picchu. So like straight guys on Tinder will stand at Machu Picchu and pretend like, can you believe where I am? I'm the man of the world. Yeah. It's like, I saw the vessel. There's any man Marcus close to here. Yeah. I have something I want to bring to the group. Go ahead.

There are pop stars. Let's just say pop stars. Or they're just artists that are either portals or mirrors. That is beautiful. That is absolutely beautiful. And I can tell you who's a portal and who's a mirror. Beyonce's a portal. Taylor Swift is a mirror. There.

There you go. I think you're right. Beyonce transports you somewhere, brings you somewhere into a new experience. Taylor Swift is about relatability. Is about reflecting the audience back at them. Yeah. Yeah. I do think that there is a case to be made for... Katy Perry is mirror. Katy Perry is a mirror. Katy Perry's music exists to make you feel a certain way. Whereas you listen to like...

some of these other artists and it's like this exists mostly as an artistic expression. Yes, yes. That is very beautiful. And I think there is... We need to get you a doctorate. I'm going to say there's validity in both. Of course there's validity in both. One is not better than the other. No, of course. I do think that when people were talking about like, oh, what was better? Like the Renaissance tour or the Eris tour? And I was like, I think I can't pinpoint why they're equally different and valid because one was a mirror experience and...

And one was a portal experience. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. I think there's definitely room for both. I think mirrors comfort us and portals propel us. Yes. And they're both necessary. That's really good. But sometimes mirrors can scare us the most. And so can portal. Portal, sometimes you need a portal. But sometimes dot, dot, dot, mirrors can scare us the most. The most.

That's a very, like, Desperate Housewives. Absolutely. Outro. Edie Britt punches the medicine cabinet. Mirrors. Mirrors. We use them to take a look before we leave the house. To check our husband's tie before he leaves the house. To inspect some pesky mascara in the corner of our eye. Yes. Mirrors comfort us, shoring us of our own image. But what if a mirror...

Showed us what was never there. Dun dun. Oh my god. Let me tell you something. I am rewatching Desperate Housewives now. Oh my god. I want to do it. Where's Alfred Woodard? She's working. She's thriving. But I want to see her more. I would imagine booked somewhere. Yeah. No. She is. I checked. Betty Applewhite. Betty Applewhite. What a name.

Well, Julio, this is your fourth time on Lost Gulch. This is it. We're so grateful. This is it. This is it. No more. This is me dot dot dot now. This is me dot dot dot now. Did you watch that? Yes, I did last night. You actually did? I did last night. What did you think? We just need your abridged take on this is me now. Compelling.

Okay. Although, hold on. I'm going to leave everybody on this. I can't tell if J-Lo is a portal or a mirror. She's a mirror. J-Lo is a mirror and this is me now aspire to be a portal. Yes, 100%. That was perfect. Of course, but...

But I don't see myself in J-Lo. Like, I don't know what she's reflecting back. It's not for you to see yourself in J-Lo. But if you do see yourself in J-Lo, you really see yourself in J-Lo. You really see yourself in J-Lo. Yeah. Right. Okay. It's the thing of like, are you a fragrance or vitamin water? What? You know what I mean? It's that thing.

Are you Charlize Theron stomping to Dior a portal? Or are you Jennifer Aniston for vitamin water? I see. Yeah. Amazing. We need both. Zendaya is both. Interesting. I don't think Zendaya is vitamin water. Is she? I think Zendaya is like... All of it? In her heart is the Disney girl.

And she kind of can't, she'll never like totally escape that no matter how artistically and critically successful she is. Like she'll always be a little bit like one second away from like Skechers. It's the S. What is that that you just said? Skechers is the S? Yeah. That's sort of a shoe campaign. Her doing a Skechers commercial. Yeah. Yeah.

Got it. That's interesting. Like, we haven't escaped the world where it's like Zendaya for spearmint gum. You know what I mean? Like, probably not soon. Well, okay, here's what I'll say is I did not know she was a Disney star. She was. Shake it up. Doesn't that change things a little bit? Well, no, but I'm saying is I was not seeing her through that lens and I was perfectly satisfied. She's ascended that, for sure. Yeah. She's the most crossover mirror portal person we have currently. Yeah.

Wow. Interesting. She's a mirror portal. She's a mirror portal. She's what Lana Del Rey would call a glass spaceship. I love that. And Lana's a portal through and through. 100%. Yes. Yeah. Yeah.

Well, much to discuss with infinite people. When we come back. When we come back. On hour eight of Las Culturistas. We'll be right back. Phantasmus. It's out on June 7th? June 7th on HBO. On HBO. But you watch it via HBO Max, I think. Well, it's Max.

Oh, sorry. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. Yes. Sorry, Sauce Love. Sorry, David. Kisses love. Sorry, David. Kisses love to you. Sorry, David. Kisses love. It's actually Rollercoaster number 99. Sorry, David. Kisses love. Well, this has been a joy, delight, and more. We end every episode with a song. Oh, that you sing. Yes. Got it. Okay. Let's end it there. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye.

And our music is by Henry Kapurski.

Listen, real tequila drinkers know there's nothing better than the smooth but never sweet taste of award-winning 21 Seeds tequila infused with real fruit juice. That's why Rachel Bilson is teaming up with 21 Seeds to celebrate the 21st birthday of the OC, appearing as Summer Roberts in new scenes while mixing up some delicious 21 Seeds cocktails.

Check out this awesome collab at 21seeds Instagram and try 21seeds infused tequila today. Visit 21seeds.com. Enjoy responsibly. 21seeds. Diageo, New York, New York. Does money stress you out? Let Facet flip your financial chaos into clarity. We feel way more confident and secure in our finances. And with that comes a sense of freedom. Financial planning from Facet is here to help you improve your life today, tomorrow, and every day after that. Facet.

It was really the place where we saw all of the tools and the people coming together. Visit facet.com, F-A-C-E-T.com to learn more. This ad is sponsored by Facet. Facet Wealth is an SEC registered investment advisor. This is not an offer to buy or sell securities, nor is it investment, legal, or tax advice. These testimonials are from current Facet members who were not compensated. All opinions are their own and not a guarantee of a similar outcome.

Dot U-S. Visit M-O-D-O dot U-S for the best free play social casino experience wherever you are. Modo offers a huge selection of Vegas style games and now introducing live blackjack, roulette, and casino hold'em. These are so much fun. Modo always has generous jackpots, free spins, and exciting promotions. Register today at M-O-D-O dot U-S for your free welcome bonus. Modo is a social casino. No purchase necessary. Void where prohibited. Play responsibly. Conditions apply. See website for details. M-O-D-O dot U-S.

This is Holly Frey from Stuff You Missed in History Class. The national sales event is on at your Toyota dealer, making now the perfect time to get a great deal on a dependable new SUV, like an adventure-ready RAV4. Available with all-wheel drive, your new RAV4 is built for performance on any terrain. Or just for fun.

check out a stylish and comfortable Highlander with seating for up to eight passengers and available panoramic moonroof. You can sit back and enjoy the wide open views with the whole family. Check out more national sales event deals when you visit buyatoyota.com. Toyota, let's go places.