"W.A.I.: Warmth, Acceptance & Inclusion" (w/ Matt & Bowen)
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Look, Matt. Oh, I see. Bowen, look over there. Is that culture? Las Culturistas. Ding dong. Las Culturistas calling. Happy New Year to all the readers, publicists, finalists, and Katie's first and foremost. I thought this was going to be a whole thing where I would have been like the Larry David in the Curb episode where...

Lennon Parham wishes him happy new year in the gym, but it's like January 18th. And he goes, yeah, it's too late to say that. It's a little late. It's a little late. I don't think it's too late. Listen, we know we've been separated from our girls and we just want to tell you all, we want to warmly welcome you into 2024 because that is the energy we're bringing into 2024. Warmth, acceptance, and inclusion. Yes, yes.

W-A-I. Warmth, acceptance, and inclusion. It's actually rule of culture number eight. The rules for 2024 is W-A-I. Warmth, acceptance, and inclusion. Mama, you couldn't have said it better.

You cannot have said it better. I want you to get into, this is the list of topics that we could discuss today. Well, I'm not squinting for you, my girl, because are you saying, are you listing each movie individually for awards season?

I feel like here's the thing with movies. They all have their own story to tell. And so I feel that you can't just lump them all under Oscar films because... By the way, how many have you seen of these quote-unquote Oscar films and have you been enjoying them? I've been really enjoying them for the most part. The things that I haven't seen are...

Zone of Interest and Killers of the Flower Moon. Let's just get that out of the way. You didn't see Color Purple yet either. Did you see Color Purple? Oh, and Color Purple and some other things. I want to see Rustin. But yeah, those are the main ones that I haven't seen. But I'm in great shape for this time...

In most other years, I am really behind, but I think I'm kind of on top of it. I'm doing amazing now, too. Like, actually, it's funny because the two that I haven't seen are Killers of the Flower Moon and Zone of Interest. I think the reason why I haven't seen them is because I don't think my heart can take either one of them. Yeah. Like, I feel like I want to sit down and, like, actually receive them, but just the subject matter of both, I'm just like, okay, that's going to be a lot of a lot.

And I think what's interesting about this year is it seems like there's like a diversity of genre in the types of movies that are being discussed now at the end of the year, which I'm really appreciating. WAI. You know what? Warmth, acceptance, and inclusion is all over the Oscar race this year. Absolutely.

Just to list off some things that I've seen, I've seen Salt Burn, Poor Things, All of Us Strangers, American Fiction, The Color Purple, Maestro, I watched The Holdovers, I watched Are You There God, It's Me, Margaret. There's a lot to discuss. My other asterisk is have not finished Maestro.

Should we start there? Sure. Although, let's start with my least knowledgeable base. Yes, absolutely. Let's go. Tell me about Maestro. Okay, you're not teasing me when you say that. You actually want my review? Oh, no, no, yes, yes, yes. I'm sorry. My tone is a little all over the place today. No, please, let's start. Well, I just want to tell you, I don't think you need to resume this film. Oh. I did not like Maestro at all.

I would describe it as... So Maestro tells the story of Leonard Bernstein and Felicia Montaliagra, who is his wife. And if you don't know Leonard Bernstein, he's obviously one of the most iconic musicians of the modern era. The 20th century, yeah. The 20th century. I mean, he, you know, it's just, his list of accomplishments are very long, West Side Story, da-da-da. And this tells the story of his marriage to

Miss Felicia. And it's written, directed, and starring Bradley Cooper. Should it have been called Hi, Felicia? I think it should have been called Bye, Felicia in terms of what happens at the end of the movie. So basically, like, it tells the story of their marriage, which was basically like TheBeard.com. Like, really, the movie should have been called TheBeard.com. Because it's like...

You know, she willfully participates in this marriage, I think because she loves him, for sure. They just seem to have great banter. And then all of a sudden, like, the film flashes forward in time, and she's, like, aware of the fact that he's full-on gay. Like, fucks Gideon Glick. And all of a sudden, like, it really...

One thing I'll give it is it wasn't too long because we finally get to the end and she passes away of cancer and it's very, very, very devastating. But I would say this movie felt like a collection of the wrong scenes from their life.

Interesting. Like, you get to the end, and if this film is supposed to be a love letter to her, like, from Bradley Cooper's perspective, then we don't really get a sense of who she is or what she's given up to be with this man or, you know, the sacrifices that she is making or why she is making them. Because you see them meet, and then you see them in, like,

really established in their relationship. And then it kind of, she kind of just dies. That's interesting. By the way, we should say, if we're talking about these films, you can just consider spoiler alert. But if you know this, if you know Leonard Bernstein, you know his life. Yeah. Consider that a spoiler. This is, it's good that we're starting with a biopic. Speaking of which, it's funny that you say all these things.

The people who've made this movie seem to put a really fine point on this not being a biopic and this being a love story, that this is a love story. And so the fact that you're not quite, you're not sure where the depth is for Felicia as a film character or as a subject in this biopic, let's say, or I'm sorry, love story, kind of diminishes that idea.

Well, I think especially as someone who has just written and directed a huge love story, you know, a polar, a critically polarizing, but like massively successful love story with the stars born. I think that something that's like, if you're to compare the two, something that's really there in a star is born. And maybe it's because he was working with a template that's like very tried and true, which is already a story that's kind of mapped out for him.

is that you really get a sense of who they both are before the relationship takes them in a certain direction that's like a codependent one and ultimately a toxic one and ultimately a tragic one. And that is very similar here. But the thing that's missing from Maestro is you don't really get a sense of who she is. You don't really get a sense of like, you know that she's an actress. You know that she's like...

maybe talented you sort of get a sense that she's talented but you don't really understand that being with him is a major sacrifice or it's a worthy sacrifice for her entire life because she kind of just ends up a sad regretful person and in that way it's like

Sure, it's a love story, but to what end? And I guess that's my note for this whole thing. To what end do we have this movie? Is it an ego project? Because it feels like that. To say nothing of their performances, which I think are good, and I would say even carries great, but I just don't know what we have this for. Uh-huh. I'm...

Again, I have to finish this movie, so I don't really have a great place to talk about this from. But I, if we're going to compare A Star Is Born to this, I find it really a bit of a miss that the meeting of Felicia and Leonard is sort of, feels a little like cursory or something. It feels like it's just checking off some biopic box that

But then if you're going to make that the central thing in the whole movie, it feels kind of glossed over. When they first meet

It's pure. If you just look at the writing of that scene when they first meet, it's like it's pure exposition. Everything out of both of their mouths is so you did this and this and this and this. Well, yes, and you were this and this and this and this. And they're like playfully laughing while drinking. And then they go do this cute little thing. It doesn't have that magic of A Star is Born where those first 18, 20 minutes are sublime, are so good no matter what. Like no matter what you think of the rest of the film, that is a great film because of that

introductory thing into their meeting or the first moments of their love. I just wonder what this movie would be like if it actually started at the point where it burst into color and we actually could marinate a little bit more in the reality of what their life was, which is she was married to a gay man who did eat up all the air in the room. And that's a story we've heard kind of a lot.

like the subservient, like long suffering wife. So like, what is the new twist on that? Because we never see her receive the information that her husband is gay from him. We imagine that it's happened because she's aware of it. Like she doesn't freak out when she sees him making out with, you know, men like what she does. Like there's no discovery. And,

And then I just wonder why. Like, if we went to the trouble to create this movie, like, where is the conflict? Where is the dramatic tension? It's, like, all happening offscreen in a way that feels almost experimental and failed in an experimental sense. Do you know what I mean? Like, because at the end, she passes away, and it is sad. But you're more, like...

lacking at the end because you feel like you didn't actually hear her story. You know what I'm saying? And so it's that thing where

The new spin would have been like, make it about her. Don't make it about Leonard Bernstein. Right. Because he did eat up all the air in the room in that marriage. Shift the focus and put it on her. Then that becomes an actual compelling love story. Right. And I feel like she gets top billing in this movie, Carey Mulligan does. And I think a condescending way because...

It's all about him, basically. And then she sort of takes over the movie for like 35 minutes towards the end when she's dealing with her cancer diagnosis and understanding that her life is what it is. And then I think the movie hints at this narrative, which really could have been expanded on more, that she had been there for him his entire life to make him maybe more palatable or maybe more...

his life easier in the public eye, which the movie tells you over and over again, he's really struggling with like the public eye, et cetera. But it doesn't feel like that theme is really explored that now he's going to be there for her and her hour of need. Like it's there, but it's not dramatically expanded on in a way. And when you combine all of this with like the nose of it all,

and the budget of it all and the Bradley Cooper of it all. It kind of just feels a little bit like you can see behind his eyes him knowing the whole time that he's winning an Oscar for this in a way that in the sea of everything else I'm watching right now, I don't respond to that much. It just feels like all your departments can be a 10. But if your script is a four and you have lines like,

Oh, what a pair. You know, those two things don't go together. And the bizarre, stupid, heavy handed text at the beginning of the movie, which is like, you know, a piece of art is supposed to provoke questions, not answers. And not everything is as it seems. It's just like, okay, great. The relationship didn't seem like it would be one that we would all want, but it worked for them. Got it. I'm ahead of this a million years in front of it. Do you have many questions after watching that movie?

No, certainly not. I think you understand it pretty fully. Right. That movie is up its own ass. I think that's a cop-out because I think Miss Vanell was saying the same thing too in interviews where she was like, all we wanted to do was to make people think something, feel something. Think about what though? But what? Exactly. Meanwhile, not to tie in too many other things, but like your ghost is in these interviews being like,

our movie isn't really about anything. It's just about exploration and discovery because that's what the character goes through. So there's no real message there. And I'm like, that's really refreshing to hear. There's no takeaway from this really beautiful film. And there doesn't have to be for everything necessarily. For the takeaway to be whatever your takeaway is, that doesn't really ring a bell.

authentic to me. I mean, it's another way of saying, which I actually respect her for saying, which is, I didn't really have anything to say. Because to be honest with you, the movie... I don't think she's saying that. Okay, let's talk about Salt Burn. I don't think she's saying that, by the way. Let's talk about Salt Burn. So Salt Burn is definitely a fucking moment right now. And here's what I loved about Salt Burn. What I loved about Salt Burn. It looked stunning. It was beautiful. It was gorgeous sets. The cinematography is epic.

excellent. I love the production design. I think that Emerald Fennell is really creative and has a really good taste when it comes to music in her movies. I think that she often creates moments that are certainly iconic. And I was, I would say, entertained the entire time. Like the way I'd be entertained watching like an MTV movie or like a Netflix movie or something like that. You know what I mean? Like

But when you're an Academy Award winning screenwriter and you're tackling class, you know what I mean? I guess I just assumed it would have more to say than it did because it ultimately said nothing and almost makes a deliberate choice to be pulp. And I have said before, like, it's okay that she is a pulpy filmmaker. Like,

It doesn't have to be a read on her or a drag on her. It's just that there were so many moments scripting wise where this could have been something more or something not as heavy handed. I also liked, I think half the performances in the movie are really fucking good. It's just that when the script goes to a kookaburra place, the performances can't,

can't help but lean into like craziness and then everyone looks a little silly because the script gets silly and

You know what I mean? Like, and ultimately what I really didn't like about this is, and again, spoiler alert, this idea that the big reveal is he was just a psychopath and he was literally behind everything from the second the movie started. Like, if that's true, then there are so many holes in this plot.

Yeah. Like, this reveal in a montage at the end of the movie where it was him all along. First of all, we've seen this a million fucking times. A million times. And more compelling than this. I don't know. I think it kind of undermines the entire...

third act where Jacob already takes him to his parents. Like, well, then he wouldn't go into the house. He just wouldn't go. Sorry. Yeah. These are big. These are big spoilers. But I think the movie is a moment and that is an accomplishment. Yeah.

Yeah, totally. Producer Becca says people are just horny TBH. I think that's a lot to do with it. And I think that also she's satisfying a lot of people with this movie. And like I said, I was entertained the entire time. It's just that like you wish it could have meant something. You were not. I was... Were you bored? I was literally going to say that I was bored and I fast forwarded through

So when you watch Vampire Cunnilingus and you watch, like, you know, cum bathtub lapping, by the time it gets to, like, grave plot fucking, I'm like, I get it. Let's keep it moving. She's a stunt queen. Right. But I think...

It's diminishing returns on stunts, period, in anything, right? Like, we reach a critical mass, and I feel like it has all these really weird, interesting pacing issues. I think, yeah, half the performances being great seems right to me. I could go into, I don't know.

I don't want to pick on anyone for their performances. I don't want to pick on anybody. But I will say there are some that are really bad in this. Really, really bad. I will pick on one person who I have never, ever, ever cared for. Okay. I think Rosamund Pike has never pulled it off. Ever. No, I think she has. I take it back. Jane Bennett, absolutely. Mm-hmm.

Gone Girl, I'm like... Oh yeah, your predecessor. It should have been like a Jennifer Aniston. It should have been... I think it should have been Reese. You know what... Reese would have been perfect. Gone Girl was originally Reese Witherspoon because she produced it. And then David Fincher, the director, told Reese...

It can't be you because people have a sense of you already. So they cast Rosamund Pike, which to me felt like a weird choice because Rosamund Pike, I don't know anyone who looks like a killer more than Rosamund from frame one in Gone Girl. Like, oh, it's her. Huge compliment to her. She looks like an intense, murderous woman. And I love that. I think she's really good at playing a fucking idiot. And I think here's what I'll say about her in this movie.

She definitely has her lines. You know, she gives her lines. I think she's good in the scene where he is telling her that he has suspicions about their cousin or whatever, their adopted, you know, friend or whatever. Like, I think she's good in the movie. I don't understand. Farley. I don't understand watching this movie and walking away and being like, the supporting performance sucks.

from an actress in this movie that is standout is Rosamund Pike. Alison Oliver, who plays the sister, ate that up. She was amazing. She ate that up. She was, I think, maybe the only actor who elevated the dialogue from Pulp into something filmic, into something like, oh, wow, this is great. Like, this is a really, really great performance. And then that image of her at the end, I'm like,

That whole character, beautifully tragic the entire arc. I'm like, and that's acting. I think she's the only... Anyway, sorry. Now I'm getting sick of it. Here's what I'll say. I agree with you. She's the best performance in the movie. I like Barry in the movie a lot.

I think Barry Keoghan's performance in the movie is fucking great. And I think Jacob does what he needs to do. Again, I wish there was more about that character that made you really understand why he was the apple of his family's eye. You know what I mean? But Barry, I think, is really excellent until the script...

forces him to play too broad because once he starts changing his personality every second for every character he meets, you're watching it like, of course he's evil. You know what I mean? There's no surprise at the end of the movie that he is as diabolical and as psychotic as he seems because they've been telegraphing it now at that point for over an hour. And so you completely take the wind out of the sails

of like what you've got at that point which is this you know she's clearly inspired by talented mr ribly here which is this like love story that's becoming obsessive and you feel like maybe he doesn't have control over to then say oh just kidding he had control over it the entire time he's actually the smartest person in the world mama if that's true how come he didn't have a failsafe for when jacob brings him to his family's house like he didn't have a way to get out of that i'm saying yeah yeah yeah he was wonderful

He was great. At the end, when that script gets crazy and he's giving that monologue to Rosamund Pike when she's intubated, it's like the only thing that's missing is a snidely whiplash mustache. You know what I mean? All that's missing is him in a top hat and a cane being like, it's like, okay. I was wondering the entire time, wait, so why does he shift completely at the midpoint personality-wise? It would have been more interesting if...

it wasn't a masterminded plot the whole time because then it just, then he is just kind of a dimensionless point.

Yeah. When you're watching a movie and it is very clear to you that someone is being manipulative, that is not a good performance of manipulation. You know what's a great performance of manipulation? Emma Stone in The Favorite. That is a perfect performance of manipulation because you don't have a finger on her. And that's why that's a great script. But here it's just like, yeah, obviously...

When a script has obvious plot holes and you can point at and be like, no, then it doesn't deserve to be in a scripting conversation. By all means, nominate the movie for cinematography. By all means, in my opinion, nominate Alison Oliver. By all means. There's things that are great about this movie. But this whole thing of like the final montage being this gag, it's not. Watch three other movies. And I don't mean to be like a snob. I just mean to be like,

You can like watching him lick up the cum and fuck the grave and also be like, yeah, this movie could have been better if it was about one thing. And if there was like research on anachronisms, like research on like ways that he could have actually covered this up, like just thinking beyond the premise a little bit more and beyond the pulp a little bit more to make this something durable. Even the period of it is...

thinly applied. And to me, it just kind of comes off as this like convenient way out of like smartphones as a plot device. Like,

Literally, as a way of them looking up the sky. But again, not that the internet didn't exist and that this family would have access to, I don't know, who regularly takes in these interlopers. Yeah. Doesn't have a way of... Anyway, my thing is, please someone talk me off this ledge because it's actually driven me to the brink of insanity. I think I know where you're going to go. Yeah.

I looked it up. Schools in the UK go by, just like in America, class of graduating year. This movie is supposed to take place in the summer, I guess, of 2007. And then you see the banner behind Barry Keoghan's first scene, Welcome Class of 2006. Which, to me...

to an unsuspecting audience makes them until it gets to like these obvious like chronological markers later on. It makes me think that this movie takes place in 2002. It starts off in the fall of 2002 and then it ends in the rest of it takes place in Saltburn in the summer of 2003.

I'm immediately lurched into 2007 because of the super bad on VHS, which hadn't come out on VHS by that point. And then Emerald Fennell has an interview has been like, no, it's okay. Like the dad's rich. So he must be connected enough to receive like a screener.

Wait, did she say that? She literally said that. You're kidding. I'm not joking. She said the dad was rich enough to get us... Where? Where? I have to know where she said that. I think it's on like her Vanity Fair thing. I have to throw my head back and cackle and break off my damn vertebra because of how funny that is.

Oh my gosh. And it's like fucking them screaming Mr. Brightside, which is like, okay, but at that point it was already like a four-year-old song. To be fair, we would scream Mr. Brightside too if it came on karaoke. In the summer of 2007? Sure. Because I think Mr. Brightside, I'm going to say...

That song had reached a little bit of a valley, a fallow period before it resurged into pop culture. As a classic, like it does now in 2024. This is what I'm saying. It's very clearly an anachronism. Not an anachronism, but a chronological marker for us as an audience in 2023, 2024. Then...

The MacBook on Jacob Elordi's desk is, I think, I'm about 80% sure, like a 2009, 2010 model. So these departments can be at a 10, sure, like just like with Bradley, but the departments are...

hampered by their direction. And if the director doesn't really give a shit about these details, even though she is this like aesthetically bold, big swing director, I'm like, well, then what's the point? Then like, are you even good at that part in which you, you profess to be good? You know what? Some British people have defended a lot of this. And they say that it is from the Brits. Let's just generalize. I'll say this. I sort of am seeing this British guy, right?

Sort of am. He fucking loves Saltburn. He loves Saltburn. He's a super well-read guy. He's like, well, there's a lot of interesting things to say about Klaus. And I was like,

Does it? I'm like, if it does, what exactly is it saying? Because go see parasite, go watch parasite. I just feel like when it's revealed that he's actually from like at least middle class upbringing, which by the way, that scene drove me nuts because while Barry's parents are talking to Jacob, Barry is sitting there rocking back and forth in his seat like a psycho. And I'm like, is no one going to ask him what the fuck is up? Like, this is the weirdest movie ever. Like his parents are just like, oh,

oh, you're back. Yay. We didn't know where you were. Sit here while we talk to your new friend and you rock back and forth like a mental patient. I'm like, I'm sorry. What is going on here? What reality are we in? And again, I'm watching it with a smile on my face because I'm like, what? But don't talk to me about this script. Don't talk to me about this script. I'm sorry. You know what? When I say too many cooks, not enough cooks. Oh, British people sound smart.

And so this guy that you're seeing, I'm sure he's very intelligent. I'm sure he's league smarter than me. I don't know about that. I don't know about whatever the class commentary is here. I think the idea of like, watch out for the middle class people interloping in like upper class story. I think that's somewhat interesting. It's been done before, but I'd love to see more of it.

I don't know that it's presented in this compelling package that people seem to think that this movie is. I just don't think she is creating the best versions of these things. I wish her the best. I'm very excited to see what she does. I am a fan. And here's the thing, like,

I think it was Beyonce who said, you know, you're that bitch when you cause all this conversation. You know who has an Oscar? Her. You know who doesn't? Me. And that's fine. It's just like, I feel...

a little perplexed about praise when it comes to screenwriting, when they have such obvious holes. And this is not the first time. And like I said, I completely get. And when she won the Oscar for Promising Young Woman, I didn't agree, but I applauded because what she had done, what she had created had had an impact. And it spoke to a lot of people. To what end is this move? You know what I mean? Like, where is that? And it's okay that it's just pulp.

You know what I mean? That's fine. You know how many male directors are out there fucking pulp way worse than this? All these opportunities. It's really fun to watch. I think I had maybe a lot more fun watching it than you seem to because I didn't fast forward a second of this. I watched it with my mouth open laughing. But then at the end,

When he rips that intubator out of her goddamn mouth and is like, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, and dances to murder on the dance floor, which, yeah, I've hit 15 times on my Spotify since watching it. I had to say this movie had nothing. It had everything and nothing. It was great gowns, beautiful gowns. Wow.

Thank you for that. And here's the thing. We're not even being cunts because I loved almost everything else I saw. We're not being cunts, but we're getting the cuntiness out of the way first. Again, we are going to... Let's not spoil too much. Of the other films? Of the other films. Yeah, because I feel like those haven't been cultural conversations in the way this one has. Let's start with All of Us Strangers. What were your thoughts? I really, really enjoyed it. Loved. I...

I think I got lost in the sauce a little bit after the midpoint. After a moment where he and Paul Mescal's character go out. And they went to, they did go to Royal Vohel Tavern, which we've been to. Oh my God! Which is where Freddie Mercury took Princess Diana. Yes. We've been to that bar multiple times. And so that's where they go out in that scene. And then from there, it kind of starts to unravel in this really beautiful way. And the ending snatched me bald.

Well, first of all, I just want to say,

This is by Andrew High, who... Yeah. One of my favorite movies is Weekend. And I'll never forget... And I actually was a... I was a Looking fan. The first season of Looking, I thought, got really good by the end. And I always love Andrew High's work. And I was really excited about this because I'm a really big fan of the entire cast. Yes. And this did not disappoint. I think Andrew Scott is so fucking good in this that...

There is a moment. He has a scene with Jamie Bell, who also is not getting talked about. I know the exact moment you're talking about. Suffice it to say, there's a scene between Jamie Bell and Andrew Scott. I won't say what the relationship is because you should see it. But there's a moment where Andrew Scott has like sort of an emotional break that comes out of really nowhere. There's only been one other moment this year or maybe two in film that I've like

out of nowhere, just had an emotional reaction to it. And he's just so gifted. Andrew is amazing. And I cross my fingers that he gets nominated for an Oscar for this. Because his sense of emotional discovery is so...

on point like he's just so fresh he's so easy to watch he's so likable and he feels like broken yet open in this way that is so good he's got unbelievable chemistry with paul mesco who is such a fucking superstar like i would nominate him for an oscar for this as well as well as claire foy

Claire Foy in this movie is, it's just so great. And I would describe the movie with the exact words that are like the pull quotes from reviews on the poster. It is haunting and heartbreaking. And I don't know if I like it as much as weekend because weekend holds like a very special place in my heart. I think from seeing it years prior to this and just it's in like the fabric of my life. But,

But this movie was like really unforgettable and like very surreal and makes a lot of interesting choices that make you think in ways that I think the movies we've talked about thus far are like playing at. Yes, they are playing at that. And I think this is something that pulls...

it off much more elegantly and does the thing of like bringing back an old song and the power of love. I mean, always on my mind was what I was, what I was living for. I was just like, like, I don't know. It's just like, he's got such a great language as a filmmaker and he's got such a strong aesthetic and it is here despite the fact that ultimately this is a different genre than he's like ever done. I,

I think this is a very big departure for him. And I thought it was so amazing. When I realized, like, I went in pretty agnostic. And then when I discovered what was happening, I was very captivated. And I think that is a very important part of that viewing experience for an audience member who maybe doesn't know that going in. I can't say enough about this movie. I really loved it. And it's worth seeing for the acting aspect

And it's worth seeing for the really, really, really, I think, compelling emotional story that it tells. And talk about a late in film reveal that like actually hits and you don't see coming. It's this. I mean, like it's just great. And I had a sense of it as it was going, but I didn't see it playing out that way. So this was a great one. This was a great one.

Another trend I noticed saying between murder on the dance floor and like Frankie goes to Hollywood and all of us strangers, Indigo girls and Barbie fucking, I don't know, like labby sea fray in the holdovers, like,

P.I.M.P. and Anatomy of a Fall, a lot of old songs being very important features in these movies and them being all back in the conversation in some fun way. That's another trend in this year, I think, for movies where I'm like, oh, that's fun. Make the song a thing, a choice. I mean, hearing 50 Cent, P.I.M.P. jump out seconds into Anatomy of a Fall was not what I was expecting at all.

And then at some point, like they make the point of like saying it was an instrumental version. And I was like, oh my God. So funny. And if you put on the subtitles, like, like I'm a subtitle girl. If you put it on it, when it plays in the beginning, it's like P I M P by not by 50 cent, but by like the instrumentalist. And I was like, oh, that's interesting. Was that so I did 50 cents sample.

thing originally, but then I think it all kind of looped back around in this perfect way by the end. You thought the original artist was called The Instrumentalist? No, no, no, no. On the subtitles it said P-I-M-P by the names of the people who were playing the instruments is what I'm saying. Oh, yeah, yeah. Oh, and it says Instrumentalist. Oh, so the CC gave it away. Got it, got it, got it. Well, the CC gave it away and said, but still the title of the song was still P-I-M-P even though 50 Cent's name didn't show up. And I went, oh, I guess 50 Cent sampled it

this song also called P.I.M.P. by the people who like maybe that's true anyway

Should we talk about Anatomy of a Fall? Because I'm also fresh from watching it. Yeah, so Anatomy of a Fall, just to refresh everyone, if you don't know, Anatomy of a Fall is a courtroom drama starring Sandra Hueller. And she's getting a lot of Best Actress buzz for this. And essentially, it's like a courtroom drama slash thriller slash drama, like straight up drama, which is about a woman who discovers her husband has fallen from...

the attic of their ski, their chalet. And then she's put on trial for the murder because there's no explanation for why he would fall. It was, she, she is the prime suspect. She's in the house. You find out there is like,

bubbling in the house. There's domestic drama. There's stuff bubbling there and it's just this sort of... It's essentially a courtroom drama and it's really well done and it's pretty gripping and it starts with an instrumental version of P.I.M.P. I want to find George Severus' Letterboxd review. Of Anatomy of a Fall? Of Anatomy of a Fall. Was he cunty about this? No, he wasn't. But his review was very funny because he said...

So a woman kills her husband and now she has to prove her queerness in court. It's like something along those lines. There's a queer element to it. There is a queer element to it. This was great. I really enjoyed this. Maybe it's not my favorite of the year. I don't think, but I'm glad like it landed on people's radars, on my radar. I really enjoyed watching it.

Won the Palme d'Or at Cannes. I think Justine Trieu, the writer-director, also won. No, she won the Palme d'Or. But Sandra Jewellery, great performance there. Amazing. Really wonderful. And from the kid. Betray is nothing, and it's a very specific performance of grief because it's not like, you really don't know. You don't know the entire time whether or not she's done this. And you kind of really don't at the end. I agree. You don't at the end.

I was kind of like, eh, sure, whatever. I'm watching. And then something kind of hits you in the last 40 minutes of the film where I think, oh, this movie, like, Hold, has something to say about the truth and about, like, the way things are mediated or educated in this environment. But, like, if you don't know how... I won't spoil. I think this is a spoiler because it kind of, like,

really hit me, but it's basically along the lines of like, if you're not sure how something happened, what do you do? And there are human instincts to filling in that gap of information. And that's kind of what

The whole movie is about... That's kind of what that courtroom setting is about, which I thought was very fun. Like, French court seems really interesting to me. They wear nice costumes. Yeah, I was really... It was very compelling how it plays out. Yeah. I didn't realize... So, basically, before you watch this movie, it's not a typical courtroom drama in that, like, it's, you know, the way that we see them play out. It's like this French court where, I guess, the defendant can be questioned at any time. At any time, and...

the judge can be sassy, sassy. But I think this is like maybe in general what a European court looks like because if you play, there's a game called Phoenix Wright Ace Attorney and it's Japanese and it's modeled after European courts where they can just scream at the defendant at any point. And in the game, the defendant is always catching...

fucking like shouts and stuff. And I'm like, oh yeah, like this is how court rooms work in other environments. You could never get away with what the prosecution attorney gets away with. Like he is such a dick in the movie and I hated him. He was such an asshole. He was a little...

bitch, I hated him. But you buy every minute of this movie as being real. It's such a grounded film. It's just really, really well done. And I think that you're onto something there about proving object, needing to prove objectivity or needing to have objectivity where there's none. And it's almost like,

You find yourself asking, like, so what is the best thing to do here at the end, even if she did kill this guy? You know? Right. There's the character dynamics, the way that that sort of thing plays out between the characters is unexpected. And the character who tells another character what I think the movie is trying to say does it in this very interesting way where I'm just going to say, like, it's basically along the lines of like,

If you don't know how something happened, then you have to decide. Yeah. Then you have to just decide. And then the other person goes, does that mean you have to believe it? And then the person goes, no, you just have to decide. It's a different thing. You don't have to believe it. You just have to decide. And I've never considered it that way. I've never seen that be so...

elegantly stated in a courtroom drama like this or in any sort of like a legal sort of storytelling

and I really enjoyed it. The movie has more than one great performance too. The sun is great. I'm going to be here for Halloween. The sun is amazing. Oh my God. He's Red Rum. He's from The Shining too. They have the same outfit. He has a genius haircut. He has one coat where he wears like a red and blue coat and he's like walking with the dog and he's, it's just really, I don't know. It's great. That dog.

I actually had to fast forward past the dog scene because I was just like, this isn't for me and I understand what it is, but I can't watch this happen. That dog is a star. Beautiful dog. I was like, how did they get the dog to do this? Well, you know what? Someone else on Letterboxd. I think it was Fran. I think it was Fran Heppner. It was someone else who was just like,

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I loved Poor Things. Adored it. I thought Poor Things, again, like, it's got excellent performances. It is maybe the most Yorgos movie yet. It's almost like he's earned the right to be as fucking crazy as he wants now and make all the choices that he wants. And it feels like his intuition is just dead on artistically, like...

It all just feels really fresh, new and interesting, not for the sake of being fresh, new and interesting, but with purpose. And I think that's something that's different about this movie than other ones we've discussed as well. Emma Stone is so great in this and it must have been really fun to perform. So she basically plays a woman who has committed suicide and she's brought basically back to life.

by Willem Dafoe, who is like this sort of like Victor Frankenstein type character. He's got like a house that's like almost a zoo with like different animals' heads on other animals' bodies. Like he's able to take Emma Stone's unborn child's brain and

and put it in her own body. And so she wakes, and essentially she has a baby brain in an adult woman's body, and then she matures very quickly to the point where suddenly she's this baby woman who has a sexual awakening because she's in an adult body very quickly, and very quickly starts to make...

headway in terms of her intelligence. She starts to question the realities of the world. She questions so much, and it really asks the question, like, if someone were to just come to this earth and immediately mature and be able to look at everything objectively and discover what our world really truly is, what would those questions be? And are those questions really worth asking right now? Talk about a thought-provoking movie. It's

talks about the reality of misogyny in our world, the reality of

the way that sex work is talked about in our world, the reality of human tragedy in this world and the way that we're asked to be okay with it, the reality of abuse, you know, the structures of power in this world, like, and it's all done playfully and in a really interesting, fresh way and has amazing performances across the board. This had to be so much, dare I say, fun for Emma to do because...

It was giving ETW the best way. It was giving experimental theater on film in a really refined way. I really liked this. I think this is a really good...

good team of people which is emma yorgos and tony mcnamara who also did co-wrote the favorite and co-wrote cruella ah with data fox so i think like there's a lot of trust among these people i mean i think if you want to talk about writing i feel like the way you write bella baxter developmentally throughout the arc of her character and like just as she like matures into like

is so difficult. Must have been so difficult. And it is based on a play. So there is like some source text a little bit, but I took half an edible and I was living. Oh, girl. I was having a blast at this movie. And just my prevailing thought was like,

how do you possibly... I mean, the performance aside, how do you possibly convey all of these things that this person is discovering for themselves in the language of how she... What she picks up, when she picks it up, when she... By the end, she's a fully articulate person. And it's incredible if you think about it. At the beginning of this movie, she was just playing on the piano and waddling around with the little duck dog. And I'm just like, this is incredible. And

The way the sets are, the production design is incredible. LED screens. Almost, I think every outdoor scene was on a soundstage, LED screen. So on the boat, those clouds, those pink, purple clouds, huge screen, right? Yeah.

minimal VFX. Yours is like, I'm making this as practical as I can. Very few VFX. The fisheye lens coming back from the favorite, I love. Just like, it kind of coinciding perfectly with when the world opens up another layer for her, for Bella. Ruffalo, great. Really like Rami, Yusuf, and this. Great. And I will say, what I feel is that Ruffalo...

is definitely one of our best. And Emma Stone is one of our best. And you can tell they're having so much fun together, even when it gets gnarly. I think that, just to talk about the script again, what's so great about it is that it asks...

She, in her discovery, asks extremely base but also intelligent questions. And that is something where he had to really think like, okay, I am just now discovering the concept of prostitution. So she, as a character, asks, well, shouldn't we be picking who we sleep with because...

it's going to be better if we enjoy it, right? You know what I mean? Like, wouldn't that be, if you're going to pay for this, you want me to want to fuck you, right? Because that would be better for everyone. Like, why do they come in here and why are we standing in the line? You know what I mean? Like, and it's just interesting because it's like, oh, of course, someone who just walks into that situation is going to think about it like that. And because she's not cultured to live in a world where, of course, the men decide. They're the men. Right. Even the question she asks,

Oh, that actor who played the madam was excellent. Yeah. Her name is Catherine. Yes, yes. Starts with an H. She was also in the Macbeth movie and she played the witches. And she's like the cream of the crop. Catherine Hunter. Catherine Hunter. Yes, yes. She's amazing. She was excellent. But even that first moment where Bella...

discovers what sex work is and it's just like understands that like oh you get paid to do this she's like I get paid to do the thing that I love to do yes why not of course let's do it

Like, that is a perfect starting point for that character. And then as she discovers all of these weird... Yeah. ...customs within it, like, that's when it's fun and interesting. But I really, really, really loved it so much. I was with it the whole time. I was like, more, more, more. I was sad that it ended. But ultimately, so, it just feels like it ends on such a lovely, light, triumphant note that I really liked. Yeah.

I really, I'm like rooting for it all the way. I was uncomfortable the entire time because this movie is a little bit more grotesque than I like to watch. Like I think,

Whenever the tone of a movie is anyone could vomit at any time, I'm not having fun. You know what I'm saying? By the way, so much vomit in movies this year. Is there more vomit in film this year than ever? What have we tracked so far? Vomit, old songs, black and white, or fake patina on things. Cum, sure. There's cum. Oh, when Paul Mescal looks the cum off Andrew Scott's chest.

And all of us strangers, I said... Important, important. Paul Meskel, you will always be famous. Well, ultimately, what I have not stopped thinking about, I think Matt Whitaker was telling me, some writer was saying that this was the year of the doll. Barbie, poor things. Yeah. Megan? Megan, where it's like doll goes out into the real world, like Little Mermaid. Yeah.

Oh, yeah. Like a lot of that. And interesting, interesting thing to think about. Taylor, even on some level where it's like you put different costumes on her. Yeah. For her eras. Barbie walking around in real life. Yes. Let's discuss American fiction. Yes. Love it. Yeah. You go first.

Really, really enjoyed it. Jeffrey Wright is a deeply, deeply important actor, I think. Oh, yeah. He's the best. Remember, we interviewed him at Vulture Fest once. I had forgotten this, and I was watching it, and I was like, have I met him? And I was like, I think the answer is yes. He was great vibes. He was very cool to talk to. I remember he liked us. Not for nothing. But he was excellent in this. Cord Jefferson, what a great debut actor.

What a talented writer. What an excellent mind. I really liked how this was about a communal cultural trauma that this character was gauging his distance with, but while also dealing with his own personal trauma, like fucked up things happening in his own life. I really thought it was interesting that it was a movie about palatability that ultimately, I think, and this is not a knock on the movie, was in a very palatable package. That it was like,

A lovely indie from, like, yesteryear in a way that was, like, really nice to watch. So those are my general thoughts. I think this is one of the most original scripts I've seen in a really long time. And just...

This is where a writer-director has complete control over what he wants to say, and what he wants to say is really new. So American Fiction is about Jeffrey Wright plays a man who is a successful novelist, but he's having trouble at this stage in his career because he can't sell a book because it seems like the market wants...

something he's uncomfortable giving. So he's a black man and basically a character played by Issa Rae is having a lot of success. Issa was making me laugh. Issa's great. Issa's great in it and I'll tell you who else is great in this is Tracee Ellis Ross. Tracee Ellis Ross was awesome in this and there's a twist with her character that took the wind out of my sails too. But basically to speak on this movie what it's about it's like

He's playing a guy who doesn't want to sell out and do a book that's about racial stereotypes. Issa Rae plays a young novelist who's having a huge success with a book that reinforces a lot of harmful stereotypes about black people. And he hates it. He turns his nose up at it. He's like, I'm never going to do that. So in his personal life, this is tough because he really needs to sell a book. He is going through a lot of personal struggles. His mom, who's played by this showrunner,

shook me fucking Leslie Uggams it was unbelievable like I couldn't believe like that was I hadn't seen her in years icon legend and his mother is vastly deteriorating into Alzheimer's there's money problems etc like he needs money bad so as a joke or as like a bit when he's drunk one night he pumps out this novel that is like the most base like really like

reductive movie where there's like a lot of gang violence, etc. And then lo and behold, the market goes crazy for it and it becomes like this huge success. And he has to deal with the fact that now this thing he hates is this thing that's actually coming to fruition in real time. Like he's like, wow, I'm actually being the harmful thing I hated and now I can't sit with myself and his life sort of like falls apart. But what I loved about this the most

Is that it is this, you know, meditation on how as a creator, you can stand by your work and yet also participate and thrive in a commercial market that feels like it's for dumber and dumber and dumber people. Yes. You know what I mean? Yes. And in the in the meditation on that, you get to the end of this movie and the story is told.

But what Cord Jefferson has been able to do is also tell this story, this very human, relatable story about this man that essentially is a new installment in, I guess,

I guess you could say American fiction. You know what I mean? Like while we're having the conversation about what it means to participate commercially while also being able to stomach yourself artistically, we've also been almost in the B story actually told this new story that like proves

Proves you can do both and proves you can do what you want to do. So, I mean, this was doing a lot of things all at once. I loved it. I loved the performances. Sterling K. Brown plays gay and I loved it. He's hot as shit.

And if there's little quibbles I have with the movie, maybe it's a little uneven in terms of that plot line. Sure, sure. But I didn't care. That is my main complaint is that that character was, I wasn't sure what the, he's there to tell Monk, the main character, something at the end. Yeah. But otherwise, like a lot of the character details, I was like, what is this? Where does this go? And maybe it doesn't go anywhere and that's fine. Eric Alexander plays the love interest. Excellent as well.

Very good. She's great. I think that there's something in this movie that asks the question about accepting yourself versus...

the world accepting you. You know what I mean? And how those two different things and really ultimately all that matters is that you accept yourself and that you can be good with yourself. There's something in the narrative about like, because Sterling K. Brown's character is gay and you get the sense that his parents did not accept him. And then he's got a crazy block because of that. He's got drug problems, etc. But there's

There's so many layers in this movie that I can't say enough about it. And I hope it gets nominated for an Oscar for the script because it told a really funny original story. I laughed a lot. And by the end, it ends in a really surprising way. And I was just like, oh, wow, the character did something I didn't expect. Lots of weird narrative choices here. Lots of things I hadn't seen before. And I appreciated the swings.

Great ending. Great ending. Just in terms of the swings, if we're going to talk about the swings, does some really cool stuff. Yeah. Great job, everybody. Once again, I say great job, everybody. Great job, everybody. And we both loved the holdovers. I loved it so much. Oh my God. I haven't heard you talk about it yet. I haven't talked to you since you saw it. The holdovers is just a classic, great story. You know what I mean? Like sometimes here's the thing.

These movies don't have to reinvent the wheel or pretend they're reinventing the wheel. Just tell a great story. And Alexander Payne is one of our great storytellers. And he has got such a handle on his tone and his language. This is just a filmmaker that knows himself so well. So The Holdovers stars Paul Giamatti, who's my, I think him and Andrew Scott, it's between them for me, for the Oscar, for me. But basically, Paul Giamatti plays a very strict character

traditional teacher at this all boys school. It's like an all boys prep school, I guess. Boarding school. Yeah. Yeah. Boarding school. And basically he has to stay behind over Christmas break and stay with some students that also need to stay for Christmas break while all the other students go home with their families. So he doesn't have a family. He's like sort of a curmudgeon and he stays behind with a select few students and also the head cook who's played by

Divine Joy Randolph, and she plays Mary, who's recently lost her son in Vietnam. So it's really ultimately the story of Paul Giamatti, Divine Joy Randolph, and the one kid that gets left behind solely at the school, who's a newcomer named Dominic Sessa, who's great. And about their bond and the way that they all change for the better as a result of spending that winter break together. Just a really emotional...

complicated in terms of character dynamics, but not complicated in terms of plot or any storytelling thing. Just a really good story that makes you feel really good at the end because you get the sense that you've watched an important installment in these people's lives, all of them. And it's just really...

and leaves you with a good feeling. And it's honestly like, in terms of holiday movies, like, it'll hold up. I was going to say, the new Christmas classics are Have You Heard of Christmas? and The Holdovers. Period. I am pressing play on these things every year. I loved it so much. Of course, sister. My favorite, Alexander Payne's In Selection. I think I liked this better than Sideways. I didn't think I would say that. I love Sideways. And I kind of think

I can't be the only person who's pointed out how ironic it is that it's the opposite of election, right? Like teacher, instead of antagonizing a student, like really grows to nurture and love and make a huge sacrifice for a student. I just, I'm thinking about it now and I'm getting emotional. Just Dave, Andrea Randolph. I think she is probably front runner for best support. Oh, she's absolutely the front runner. Well, she's, she's not lost a single award.

so far. And mind you, so one thing is we're recording this. We're recording this before the Golden Globes, yeah. Prior to the Golden Globes, so you won't get any Golden Globe reaction in this episode, as you probably can tell because we probably would have mentioned it by now. But if Divine Joy Randolph loses the Golden Globe tonight, that would be a huge snub because she's won everything. I don't know that I understand completely why it's a total clean sweep, but...

because I think supporting actress is really good this year. It's really good this year. I think supporting actress, actress and supporting actor are all really strong. And actor is incredibly weak, but there's a couple of great performances. For me, Divine is amazing. I just wish that there could have been maybe one more scene or one more thing with her character just to give her like a little bit of a moment or a glimpse inside because she's this incredibly real person who's like,

really solid in the movie it's just i i'm not understanding why it's been a complete knockdown drag out because there are amazing performances this year in supporting actress i'll touch on the color purple in a second yeah oh julianne moore in may december is great let me just for a second are you there god it's me margaret oh you're rachel mccadams is so special i need to watch bowen

You, I know, are a Rachel fan. Yes. You have to watch Are You There, God? It's Me, Margaret. I can't wait. So before I talked about that moment in Andrew Scott's performance where I involuntarily broke down, that happens in this movie at the end. Obviously, Are You There, God? It's Me, Margaret is a classic

coming-of-age novel. And it wasn't really on my radar because I thought of it as like... And this was my own mistake. I thought of it like, oh, it's like, you know, like a book for... It's like YA. You know what I mean? I thought, it's YA, whatever. I love this movie so much. That was your first mistake is writing off YA, bitch. That was my first mistake. Don't ever underestimate YA. And it will be the last time I write off YA because...

This adaptation of it is so lovely. Rachel McAdams is so... You know what's fucking... You know what's fucked up about her? I'm watching her in this movie, and she naturally projects so much warmth and love. And we're looking at Regina fucking George, bitch. I'm like, this bitch is... She is so talented. She can do anything. Anything. And I...

hope she gets an Oscar nomination for this because the movie succeeds beautifully and it is because of her. And there's a moment towards the end of the movie. So I won't spoil, but there's like a milestone in the lead character, Margaret's life and Rachel's reaction to it. And the love between them is the success of the whole movie. Chef's kiss, Rachel McAdams,

I just love her. I just love her. She's one of our greats. She is really one of our greats. Oh, I love Rachel. I can't wait. I mean, I just fucking love her. And yeah, I mean, that might be all for the movies I saw. I know you haven't seen Color Purple. Oh, oh, should we talk about Past Lives? I know you saw Past Lives. I loved Past Lives. Oh my God. I finally saw Past Lives. It was great. I will never forget

that ending yeah and you know what i love about past lives it's about it's about these characters who had an intense connection as children and then they lose each other in life because she moves to america and it takes place in korea and um then years later they reconnect online and they have like an intense online relationship that she ends because she realizes

she's sort of in love with someone on a computer and they're not going to see each other. And then it passes 12 years again into the future when they're in their mid thirties and they have a meeting again. And ultimately what this movie is about is about the importance of and validity of those connections that may not be lifelong, but they are unforgettable and you won't forget. Like for me, it wasn't a sad movie. It was more of a beautiful, lovely movie that was about just how you,

We can look at those connections and those relationships of people that like, you know, we may never see again, but we'll always remember as good things. And there's a way to include them in your life and in the landscape of your life in a way that doesn't have to feel like longing or the one that got away. You know, that it actually really helped me in many ways. I left the movie healed, I felt. Wow. You know what the movie does?

which is really incredible, is that it is so compassionate to everybody, including Josh Magaro's character, who is her current boyfriend. Yeah. Or her present-day boyfriend. Greta Lee's...

Yeah, who she meets at this artist's retreat. And their meeting is really lovely and nice and organic. Yeah, it was. And it's completely beautiful. And there are a couple scenes, and one in particular that takes place at a bar that is actually the first opening image of the film is these three people at a bar. And this long lens and these people talking over them going like, who do you think they are to each other? Yeah. These long lens, far-framed shots.

That concept of distance is so well employed in this. It's about voyeurism in a way. It's about like watching from afar this thing, whether it's you. I think it is about longing ultimately. And it resolves itself really nicely by the end. But it's to me like it's so visually subtle and really nice. Doesn't get in the way of any of the things that are going on. Any of the other things that are going on on screen. But yes, compassionate about that.

that guy in this love triangle, as it were, where you go, well, get him out of there. You never think that, do you? And there's this lovely moment between him and his son, Tae-oh Yoo's character. By the way, huge star. I hope he really is in more things, that actor. There's a moment between the two men at the end of this bar scene where they go, you know, where his son goes, you know, you and I have, I think it's in this like Korean concept, like you and I have had a past life together too. Yeah.

And like, it really seals that triangle in such a beautiful way where it's like these two men are meaningful to each other too, no matter what. Even though they've just met, even though they may never see each other again, the relationship between these two men is

so important. And there's a moment at the end that I think you're talking about where it's this long, long, long shot that tracks these two people and then it tracks someone else on the way back. And I realized in watching that part again, that moment encapsulates the entire movie. It is like this long, tense journey, this reunion of two people who are walking together

She's sending him off. And then there's this long, uncomfortably long, sexy, horny, sad stare between these two people. That's like a full minute, I think, or something like that. It's just long. And it's loaded and it's heavy. And then he gets into a cab, into an Uber and leaves. And then she walks back. I'm sorry if I'm spoiling this. It's been out for a few months, several months at this point. But

And then she like meets Josh again. And I'm like, that's the whole movie. That's the entire, that's the entire thing of the movie is just like that moment of letting go. And then of returning to someone who is waiting for you. And yeah,

There's something incredibly simple about that that I have not seen in a movie. I really, really, really loved it. And Greta's getting all the praise she deserves. Yeah. She's so great in it. I think it's career changing for her. I would say that first and foremost, this is like a directorial

Oh, Celine Song. Celine Song. I mean, so I'll say this. I went paid to go see this. I saw it on 12th Street in New York. And it was the only movie I've seen where people applauded at the end. Wow. It was the only movie I've seen out of all of these where people were like,

moved to clap at the end. Wow. And I was just like, what? No, no, I was going to say people applauded at poor things and at American fiction for me, but keep going. Okay. You know what? I lied because as I transitioned into the color purple, I got a huge ovation. And I actually want to say that

I was able to see a screening of this that had a talkback afterwards with the director, Blitz Bazawule, and Fantasia, and Taraji, and Danielle, and Corey Hawkins, and the choreographer, Fatima Robinson, was there. And it was just, it was a Monday night, and so a lot of Broadway people were off. Yes, yes. And so the energy was so intense.

amazing in the screening room and it was so thick and every number that was successful got like a big ovation and I love it at the end the movie really sticks the landing at the end like it's just so emotional it's last scene and I haven't been so happy to see Sierra since the like a boy music video I mean comes in at the end and eats down um

She plays the adult version of Maddie. Let me just say a few things about this movie. Performances, A+. Fantasia is so good in this. And it makes me so happy because she has not gotten her due and she's so talented. The way that she inhabits this character, it's like...

I think it's like the definitive Sealy for me because the way that she carries her body, there's this like resignation in her and there's this just like deep, it's almost like she's like resigned to her depression and her lot in life and the way she holds her body. And then by the end, you see her shoulders are back, not to quote I'm here, but like there's this like beautiful arc that she plays and her voice is so stunning and

And what I loved about the movie was not only the trio of performances at the center, which are so great. I mean, Danielle Brooks is so great in this. Taraji's incredible in this. But what I loved was that the script, and I thought this was one of the directorial choices that worked, imagines a world where

we often see, like the diegetic, I guess you would say, is that a lot of it takes place in Silly's imagination. And so that allows the movie to go in really interesting directions aesthetically. And I would also compliment the sound editing of this movie. For a musical, I thought that you couldn't really tell what was being live sung and what was recorded. The voices were in front of the music in exactly the right way, just...

Just great musical theater in this. And I actually saw Fantasia do The Color Purple on Broadway all those years ago. And it was stunning then. I really like this musical. Now is the part where I have some criticism for it. So one of the reasons why I love the musical is because it's a really, it's actually an even, it's an even more accurate adaptation of the book than the movie is.

The queerness is a lot more present in the musical than it was in the movie where basically they reduced the queer storyline. And it's important to know. You mean the movie musical or the original film adaptation? The musical. The musical is really an adaptation of the book. Yes, yes. And not the movie. So the movie is its own thing. And the movie sort of reduces the queerness.

And the reason why I'm Here happens in the musical on stage is because it obviously happens... It's the 11 o'clock number. And Suge...

Shug decides she's going to leave Celie. So they're in like a lesbian relationship, basically. And Celie is at all these disappointments and all this abuse and all this loss in her life. And finally, she's like running her store at the end of the story. And Shug decides she's going to leave to have a final fling because that's who Shug is.

And Celie breaks down and she's like, I can't believe that you're leaving me. You said you wouldn't do this. I love you and you still do this to me. And Suge swears she's going to return. And Celie says no. And that's when she starts to sing. I don't need you to love me. These are all the things I have.

And then I'm here comes as a result of Seelie finally saying, I am not going to let my self-worth and my happiness be dictated by other people. I'm beautiful and I'm here. That's what that is. And plot wise, it happens because Shug decides to leave and Seelie says, you know what? Even after all this disappointment, I'm not going to let you destroy my happiness and my personhood and my security with myself and my self-love.

They took that out of the movie. And so there is no runway for I'm Here, is what you're saying? No. Yeah, and that's tough because you want that runway. It is incredibly disappointing because Fantasia is giving her life. She is giving her life to this song, and she has given her life to this performance. And not only do they take the juice out of the narrative...

But it's not shot well. I'm Here is shot in the dark and especially after all of the really innovative ways in which they shoot these other numbers because they allow it to happen in the realm of her imagination. And he absolutely nails Hell No, which is Danielle Brooks' big number. And then I'm Here happens and it's just a thud.

And I was so bummed. Yeah. And then I saw an interview with him and some of the filmmakers where they were like, oh, we took out the storyline of Suge leaving, I think because they wanted to make it more queer and more about sisterhood and solidarity. And I'm like, how do you make this a better queer story by taking the tension and the conflict out of the queer relationship? To make it more... And they think that makes it more queer? That doesn't make sense. It...

None of it makes sense to me. It is a total failure and adaptation of this story. And to me...

I don't know. I was loving this movie until I realized what they had done with that storyline. And I was just like, I'm sorry, but this is not the best version of this story. And then, you know what? Go online and watch some clips of the Color Purple musical. Watch the scenes where Suge is telling Celie that she's going to leave and how that launches Celie into I'm Here and then how I'm Here dovetails into the finale. That is like...

how that story should be told. That is like... That's the emotional climax of the movie! Or of the story! And it's just...

I was really disappointed in that, which really sucks because I loved the movie for so many other reasons. And I think that especially Fantasia's performance as Celie just deserved better than what happened in the end. Right. It's not a performance. No, it's just directorial. She, for all intents and purposes, should be up for an Oscar. She won't be, though. She could take that fifth spot. It's definitely a race to the fifth spot. For our lock. And then it's just about that fifth girl.

I wouldn't nominate Carey Mulligan for Maestro. I just don't think the movie's good enough. My best actress would be this. And honestly, I'm giving Fantasia... I want this for her. My best actress would be Natalie Portman, Margot Robbie, Emma Stone, and some combination of Fantasia, Greta Lee, or Sandra Hueller.

I just wish I could say Fantasia with my... Did you say Lily? Who? Lily? No, I didn't say Killers of the Flower Moon. Right, right, right. I think she's a lock. For sure. Having not seen it, I think it seems like the scuttlebutt is that she is...

A lock. I think, don't rule out Fantasia. Look, I'm not ruling her out. I want it for her. I just think it's a shame it can't be called a lock, and I really think it could have. But when you see this movie, you'll know what I'm saying. I'm Here Happens, she stands on her porch and sings it in the dark. That's tough. And if I was her, I'd be pissed. Yeah. Light me, I would say. I mean... Light me properly. Yeah.

That is a lifetime that leads up to that performance. And she did it in the dark. No, unacceptable. I was disappointed. Bo, listen, vacation, it's something you got to get right. You can't roll the dice. You have to make sure that it's all together. Everything is where it's supposed to be when you get where you're going on vacation. Can you agree? I have never agreed with you more. And I had

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Truly, one of the most riveting viewing experiences I have maybe ever had. This brought me right back to me in high school watching Grey's Anatomy, Super Bowl episodes. We are talking, of course, about Mysteries Revealed, Real Housewives of Salt Lake City season four finale. Yeah.

I cannot stop thinking about this and likely will never for the rest of my life. I think maybe the best episode of Housewives of all time. Big, big title. And I don't disagree. But you know more than I do. Emeril Fennell needs to watch this episode because this Monica Garcia did what Barry Keoghan never could do, which was that was a real bamboozling.

Yes. First of all, can we say the core four of LC, A-list. They shot to the A-list. They were all...

Them standing on the beach. You know what I was flashing back to was when we watched Big Little Lies. And we got to watch this together, too. The finale of SLC we watched together with a great crew. Screaming. I've never heard a scream and a laugh at the same time like I've heard it from Bo and Yang at the words Reality Von Teese. It's such a perfect scene.

stupid name. It is the only name it could have been. Do you know what I mean? Like, there was a lot of chatter afterwards in our little group that night where we were like, God, that name, though. I don't know about that name. I'm like, no, it is the perfect, stupid name, stupid avatar, fucking, like, Celeste Yim reverse image search Reality Von Teese's avatar image on Instagram. It is from, like,

a product image on some like gear site like burlesque gear site or something or not even burlesque but like some I think Dita might be suing you think Dita's suing I think Dita was like I don't know what this is and I will take legal action if I feel like I have to I don't want my name in this at all I think it makes her more iconic first of all from the beginning

That episode was great. From the beginning of the season, this has been an A-plus season all around. This was incredible. I might have to give this a rewatch. Well, you know what I did afterwards? I've watched it twice, and I did watch the first episode of the season again. Kudos to the editors, because it is all there. It's all there. It is all there. This season has rewatch value boots. Boots. It is so good. Meredith...

The girl with the pearl earring could never over the still of Meredith with her hair in her mouth in anguish. People are trying to hurt us! I'm just so sick of people trying to hurt us! Also, Lisa... Oh my god, you're gonna cry! What? Oh my god. Wait, what? What? I got your text, what's going on? I got your text, what's going on? Let's wait for Meredith. She's walking over. Honestly...

Carrie, Miranda, Charlotte, and Samantha are so over. They're over. It is about Meredith, Lisa, Whitney, and the legend, Heather Gay. I mean, Heather...

You really did something there. You will be in the Hall of Fame for all time. Yeah, if there's a Hall of Fame for Housewives, Heather, you solidified it. You really did. And it's been not always smooth sailing for Heather on this show, but I feel like she freed herself. She freed herself. And you always root for her. You always root for Heather. No, she's the protagonist. Heather Gay is the star of the show.

I don't know that there's a more satisfying reveal than she gave me a black eye and she knew what she was doing too. The black eye of it all. I mean, I think we were all saying, right? Like that finale was pulling in threads from seasons one, two, three, four. It was epic.

It was Avengers end game level storytelling where you're about to close all of these loops. It does make me think what's next in a genuine way, but I'm not going to worry about that too much. Me neither. I'm just still applauding that moment in television because I have not, and thank God I had people over that night because I was going to just maybe watch it alone. No, no, that needed to be a communal experience. I'm so happy it was.

I just think that is spectacular TV making. Just enough like Little Red Herrings too. Like the lead up in the dinner to the moment of the reveal. Stupid. It is these women like faking the drama. You know what I mean? It is like, we don't really care what's going on. We just, we're stalling until like Heather finds the right moment. Yeah. The moment is so beautiful of Heather being like,

of Heather asking Monica before the reveal, like, well, then how do you know that? How did you, like, what was the question? Why do you think we believe you, Monica? Why do you think we believe, oh my God. Why do you think we believe you? And then she goes, well, I had the receipts, the timeline, the proof. And she goes, oh, so it wasn't about the truth. So it wasn't about the truth. Receipts, proof, timeline, screenshots, fucking everything to prove you are alive.

and a troll I I mean I was so grateful that night very grateful that night that I'm sorry love to the scandal fall era of reality television that moment was huge I think you have to give some accolade to what what all of season four of Salt Lake City was

There has to be some award. It should be Emmy nominated. Bravo, if you're listening, NBCUniversal, if you're listening, Comcast, start the campaign now. It will win. The way they put all the chips on Vanderpump last year for the Emmys and then it paid off with the nomination. You must do this for Salt Lake City. And I'll tell you why Salt Lake City is also great. Because it was able with this storyline to double down on its Housewives subgenre, which is true crime. True crime.

And I think it knows that. Really, there's five reasons why. And I sent this to Bowen. This is how academic I'm being about this. Number five.

We were able to move on and the cast was able to move on. I understood the importance of moving on from old conflicts. Meredith versus Lisa was done. It was resolved in the first episode. Heather versus Whitney. It took a second longer, but it was resolved quickly. The Jen Shah of it all. They, for all intents and purposes, had moved on until it had to be dealt with again. So that's number five is they moved on. Yeah. Number four.

Angie was a way better housewife than anyone thought she was going to be. She's funny. I've never seen anyone really like her. And she's unintentionally and intentionally watchable. She's been built up in a really nice way throughout the season. And never forget, we wouldn't have had Palm Springs or any of that Meredith hooligans without Angie Kay. So Angie Kay, you got your snowflake back for next season. Yes.

really the house down. Watch out for LCCAs this year. Angie K might show up. She might be showing up in multiple categories. She might show up on Iconic 400. She might show up in person. Number three, the perfect amount of Mary Cosby. Agree, agree. The perfect amount of Mary. Like, we never thought about

We're missing her, and we never thought she's too much. It was just the perfect amount. Even in this conversation, even in the current discourse about reality of Antis, I think the night before the finale, someone was with Mary, and they say, Mary, what are your thoughts about

about the finale, about what should we expect from the Salt Lake City finale, she says. Pray for Monica. Ooh, you guys better pray for Monica. And, I mean, she was... Even that is the perfect amount of Mary Cosby. Even that's the perfect amount of Mary. And I'm sure the reunion will give us the perfect amount. And they should know that going forward. Mary never gets to snowflake again, but invite her on the cast trips, let her fucking do her 20 minutes, sit in the van, go get her fish fillet. We need the color commentary.

Number two, they finally were able to go on like trips without worrying about Jen Shah's fucking visa because she's a convicted felon. And number one was fucking Monica. Monica gave that she was an antagonist that was for the ages. And I say that also saying we do not need to see her again on this show. We're done.

I agree. I don't know that she was an antagonist for the ages until the last episode. I think the entire season I was like, I don't know. I don't know if I care for her until you had to care and then you were like, thank God. I feel like if you watch it again...

Watch the first episode again. You'll see. It's all there. It's literally in the first. Remember they did that insane segment where they were quoting the psalm. Yeah, they were quoting verses. Lisa walks by Monica on the street and she goes, the devil lurks among us. And it's Monica.

Like, they've been telegraphing it from the beginning, but Monica Lowkey, like, again, did what Barry and Saltboard never could do and actually manipulated them. And fly under the radar. She had them celebrating her birthday! My theory, family was never in Bermuda. We have to get to the bottom of this. Well, you know what I want? I want a four-episode... I want Bravo's version of, like...

fucking any of these cult documentaries. Oh, oh, oh. I want Bravo's... I want a four-episode limited series called Reality of Antis. And it's Monica...

and all the people involved in Reality of Antis, Tanisha et al, Koa, all these people telling the truth. I want a true crime limited docuseries that's the Bravo version of what we see for like the fucking, like the vow. You need to watch Mommy Dead and Dearest. You need to get up to speed on the Dixie Rose Blanchard stuff. I'm happy you brought it up because I...

I have watched nothing else but Gypsy Rose Blanchard content for the past three days. I am obsessed. First of all, can we say, I think she specifically slayed on The View. She was really good on The View. You two have watched everything she's done. I've watched everything she's done.

And... I've never seen a crazier person. I'm going to go public. I don't think she'll mind me saying this. Gypsy Rose? No, not Gypsy Rose. Oh. You know who else is obsessed with her? Who? Ariana Grande goes, work, bitch. Work. Yes, and? What else did she say? Yes, and? She was saying that Gypsy Rose can have it all. Gypsy Rose, you have the world in the palm of your hand.

Gypsy Rose on her Instagram being like, hey, get ready with me for today. I was like, I can't believe this. And she's like, my whole outfit is Zara. Okay, thanks. I think I look pretty cute. Okay, bye. This is a girl who is frozen in time in a way.

Like, irrespective of prison, she has been, like, fucking biologically, physiologically manipulated into being a certain way. And she is, like, this is another year of... This is, like, Poor Things, Year of the Doll, Barbie. This is, like, girl steps out into the real world. Wow, you're right. Like, she is figuring this out. And I... We cheer her on. She is...

saying all the right things in these interviews, being like, I did a bad thing. I've done my time. Now I just want to live my life. And yes, I have an ebook coming out. Yes, I have a Lifetime series coming out. Watch it if you like. But I'm not here to, like, fuck anything up. But if people are interested in my story, here's how you can find out more. Go off, Queen. We love you, Gypsy Rose. I mean, there's one more Swifty running the streets.

She wants to meet Taylor Swift. I don't know if Tree Payne will allow it. Her favorite song being Karma is an LOL. Yeah, it should be Karma. Karma is her boyfriend. Slang in that D. You see her post about how the D is good? Yes. I'm obsessed with this queen. I think she's one of the great royals. She's one of the great royals. I mean, her boyfriend. Consider me her pawn. Karma was her boyfriend when Didi got stabbed. Period. Period.

Poor Nick Godijan, a name I know. Did you watch Mommy, Dead, and Dearest? Did you watch the documentary? No, not yet. So I've not watched that. But what I want to watch and what I probably will watch tonight, because ain't nothing on on Sunday nights anymore worth it. Well, I want to watch the act because another wormhole I fell down into is a Patricia Arquette wormhole. I watched, you ever watch those like YouTube clips? I forget who it is, but it's like, it's like this is the timeline of my career. Yes, yes, yes. She has a good one. So Patricia Arquette has one that's good.

Because she's done so many interesting things. She's really quite versatile as an actress. Absolutely. Yeah, she's amazing. But I haven't watched it yet. Because there's like a new one, right? Now there's like Gypsy Rose, like In My Own Words or some shit. Well, that's her Lifetime series. That's her as herself, I think. Okay. Okay.

I think it's like Gypsy Rose Confessions or something. Basically, all these things exist and they're all out there to be watched. But I've not yet watched Mommy, Dad, and Dearest. Mommy, Dad, and Dearest is really good because these motherfuckers at HBO paid for Disney clearance to play clips of Tangled because that was her favorite Disney movie. And how poignant is that? To make a point about how she felt trapped, her mom was feeding her lies about the world. Like,

her life was tangled and she was like, I wanted romance to resolve this. I wanted to meet a boy to save me. Rapunzel's mom had Munchausen's by proxy. It's actually really culture number 50. Mother Gothel. Mother Gothel had Munchausen's by proxy.

Fucking diva. Mother Gothel voice actress. Oh, I'm going to find it. I'm going to find it. Donna Murphy. Donna Murphy. Donna Murphy. Donna Murphy is a fucking icon. Is a fucking legend. And one of the most gorgeous people we have in the world. She's amazing. She's amazing. I love Donna Murphy. Before we get into I Don't Think So, Honey, I want your thoughts on the White Lotus casting reveal. I'm very excited. Very excited. Very excited.

for Leslie Bibb as well. Leslie Bibb is a phenomenal actor. I'm so pumped for the randomness of this casting. You know what I mean? Like, it's like, of course you never could guess, but I wouldn't have guessed. Like even, even the Parker Posey of it all, which is like the big pole is so genius, but I wouldn't have guessed it. And I'm living for this Christopher Guest revolution in White Lotus. I said, Catherine O'Hara next. Yeah.

Catherine O'Hara next or Parker Posey's gonna be perfect in this world she's gonna be so good and I love that Natasha gets to be the sort of recurring thing from prior seasons I can't wait

You know, the one piece of casting where I'm like, I don't know, it's just a little on the nose is I don't think anyone reads as more evil than Jason Isaacs. Right. And so I feel like I hope he's not playing an evil character because that's on the nose to me. Unfortunately, that's kind of what happens when you play Lucius Malfoy is you have an evil face and you're British. It's kind of like you're bad. So I kind of hope he doesn't play bad, but lots of great actors in this truly. And man,

Michelle Monaghan, who I hadn't thought about in a really long time. Yeah, this is going to be good. I'm just excited to see what Mr. Mike White does with Asia and death. I think those being the themes of this are really not the themes, one being the setting and one being the theme is very cool. If the theme was Asia, how would you feel then? I'd be like, okay. Okay. I trust you, Michael.

I trust you, Michael. Very excited for Yes And. Just so you guys know, I had some readers, Katie's publicist finalists on my Twitch stream. And of course, some of y'all were Arianators who, and this is my fault for spilling the beans, but one of them got me to say a little, blab a little bit too much. And egg on my. So I will not be doing, I will not be revealing too much, but it's a gag. Everyone's going to love it.

I will not be revealing too much besides I heard it and it's a gag. Well, no, that's already been established. I've already... No, I know. So for those of you who don't know, what Bowen is saying is that he's heard the song. Let's just keep it there. He loves it. It's really good. I love it. I can't wait. And it'll be two days after this episode drops that everyone will hear it. Yes, yes.

Can't wait. So exciting. Should we move on to I Don't Think So, Honey? Let's move on to I Don't Think So, Honey. I think maybe let's wait until next week to talk about Drag Race because then we'll have met all the queens. Yes. But so far, I like this first crop of queens. I had a lot of fun. I think that the top two of the week, which were Q and Saphira, are probably the ones to watch. But I'm also into Dawn a lot. Really into Dawn. Yeah.

I really am excited for this season. I thought I was kind of like in the lead up like, oh, sure. Yeah, drag race, whatever. Now that it's back, I'm like, oh, I miss this. I can't wait. Bo, listen, vacation, it's something you got to get right. You can't roll the dice. You have to make sure that it's all together. Everything is where it's supposed to be when you get where you're going on vacation. Can you agree? I have never agreed with you more. And I had

so many wonderful trips with you in the past. Bowen, I remember one of our favorite trips to Toronto when we shared that Airbnb. Remember that? Airbnb came in the clutch. We were doing our I Don't Think So Honey live in Toronto. We stayed in that amazing Airbnb. We loved it. We had the time of our life. Thanks, Airbnb, still to this day. I remember that Airbnb like it was my own childhood home. Thank you, Airbnb.

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You're just in time to hear that. I don't think so, honey, is our one-minute segment where we rant on something in culture. But if you know, you also know. I have something. Let me get my phone. Let me get my phone real quick. Okay, darling. Dear. Can I say, it actually took me a second to realize a mandatory meeting was a mandatory meeting. I don't know why it took me, but when that one queen was like, oh my God, I just got it. I was like, wait, me too? And I just thought it was funny that her last name was meeting. It's one of the best names.

oh no have you seen the pit stop where Trixie like has to take a break to laugh at how fucking amazing that name is it's one of the best names oh wow I have to check in on the pit stop again because Trixie's doing it okay fine Trixie's back I had taken a break a mandatory meeting is really good and I loved your performance my kitty my kitty where's my kitty it's very Matt Rogers coded yeah someone yelled at me across the party she has your same voice

Well, it's very... Matt used to... Matt wrote this fever dream of a sketch in Pop Roulette once where it's about this acting teacher who breaks into song, who's frustrated with her new students. Do you not remember this? I don't remember this. You remember this. It was an acting class and you were the teacher, but you were a woman. And you were like screaming at these students. For what? And then...

just for not being up to your high standards as an acting teacher and then you break into a musical number you remember this which is I can deal with all these hoes all these hoes I can deal with all these young actors okay I remember this did not get staged but now I remember I brought it in and I performed it in the meeting because it made no sense

in the best way I was like it was my favorite it's one of my favorite things you've ever done because it's complete chaos and it's pure id it's pure Matt Rodgers writing from a place of id and play and stupidity and I really think you should do something with it alright maybe I'll do it as a character one of these days but that is the same song that a mandatory meeting did where's my kitty a mandatory meeting we are kindred we should collab I'm ready

This is Matt Rogers. I don't think so, honey. His time starts now. I don't think so, honey. Epstein list. Girl, just tell me who's a rapist and who isn't. Like, stop with the... If there's someone out there that needs to be feared and is harmful, just say who they are and what they've done because now, like, people are like, oh my god, did you hear so-and-so was on the Epstein list? Cate Blanchett is on the Epstein list. I'm like, yeah, but

honey, what does that mean? Like, did she do anything wrong or was she mentioned in documents? Come to find out. Yeah, it was about someone bragging about her, but now she has like a pox on her name because she was on the Epstein list. I got people in the DMs today being like, did you see Chrissy Teigen's on the Epstein list? I'm like, what are you talking about? It doesn't mean anything. Who is harmful and who isn't? Stop with this Epstein list. And this is what happens next.

When you build something up and build something up and build something up and allow it to fester online, now it's like something that it isn't. Like, chill out. Who's harmful? Who isn't? What's the information? What's the news? Not what's this blanket statement of, oh, they're on the Epstein list or rumored to be on the Epstein list. Also, what's the list? What's a rumor? I don't think so, honey. And that's one minute. Thank you for speaking on that.

It's just a consequence of the way that these documents are being released by the court. And so there's all, but no, but I agree with you. There is all this really crazy, stupid love internet, crazy stupid love, like internet fodder over it in a way that I think is actually kind of not dangerous, but just like unwieldy.

It's like, wait a minute. Yeah, because I'm sure Cate Blanchett feels a certain way about this. And it's like, why the fuck am I catching a stray? Can you imagine her publicist being like, hey, you're on the Epstein list? She'd be like, what? What? What the fuck are you talking about? Yeah, you were mentioned on the Epstein list. Well, what does that mean? What's going to happen? And then her name is literally next to people who are like... Who've done R. I just don't understand. What is the point of having a list of people that were mentioned...

You're grouping these people together on the basis of what? Obviously, association with the name Epstein, which is incredibly damning and very dangerous. What is the point of this? Can we just understand that we don't live in a climate anymore where you can just...

throw things out there like this and you can just say shit and that it's going to be funneled through like a reliable system that doesn't operate in like such bad faith. It's like now it's like we know that Leo is on the Epstein list. It's like, okay, is something wrong? I've kind of steered clear and I'm not saying that in a virtuous way. I'm just going like, I'm not bothering to look because I, I,

And maybe in the minority of people who like understands it to be meaningless. But I do have fear over what it means for these people who have done nothing wrong. And we're just named by someone who like sailed past the island or something. Anyway, anyway. Bowen, do you have an I don't think so honey for today? I do.

Well, good. This is Bill and Yang's I Don't Think So Honey, and this time starts now. I Don't Think So Honey, let Dua Lipa go on vacation. I don't want you guys to all of a sudden be on your high horse now and be like, she's going on vacation too much. If you were her, I'm sure you would go on vacation too. She's catching a lot of flack.

for being, it was reported that nine months out of the past 12, she's been on vacation. So what? In Kosovo, in Tokyo, in Greece, in Albania, in Barcelona, in Madrid. I'm like, she's a pop star. That's what she's supposed to do. 30 seconds. What do you want her to do? She writes a newsletter. She hosts a podcast. She's good at all of those things. She works, okay. She has a book club.

She has a book club. She's reading fucking Pachinko to the girls. She's just living her life. 15 seconds. She is her own lifestyle brand without actually selling you something besides her music. She just wants you to read her newsletter, which I read because she does have cute recommendations on there. And she's about to put out new music, so you're going to enjoy it. Also, her not doing Coachella because of her vacation schedule is not a good enough reason to be mad at her. No,

Then that's one minute. That's where it all started. She's not doing Coachella reportedly because she was on vacation. It conflicts with her vacation days in April. I say slay. I say no problem. It's called priorities. It's called she's saying this is what's important to me right now. Coachella will be there. I have confidence in the fact that my new work will be great. They'll ask me again. Also, Coachella is a huge undertaking. It's easy for people that are like,

Not the ones that have to do all that work and like perform and operate at a very high standard to be like, fuck her. She's on vacation too much. She doesn't want to do it. It's okay. Like, okay. Two things. One, she said, catch me before I go. So now she's on vacation. Houdini. She said Houdini. And that's what they do. They disappear. She comes, she goes. So let her go be on vacation. Second thing.

Actually, I have three things to say. Second thing. Do you know why I want to be successful? So I can go on vacation all the time. That's two. So if you have a problem with doing, you have a problem with me. And third, I have never been more strong in my belief that what people need to do more than ever is mind their own fucking business. Reality bounties.

There. Loser behavior. Mind your own fucking business. The way Lisa in that episode, just the way she screams at Monica, such a fucking loser. She said that with her chest. And I said...

Absolutely. I said, I know that's right. We realize we're on it. We're hosting a podcast where we talk about things and people. It's never prescriptive. And if it feels that way, it's hopefully usually 99% of the time in jest. We're talking about movies and we're saying we liked certain things. We didn't like other things. That is all part of the consumer mindset.

with the artist where it doesn't belong to them. It belongs to everybody. Let me say something. This is our business. This is literally our business. This podcast is our business. And also just like there's a difference between like I'm going online and like

trashing someone for some stupid bullshit and like having things to say and opinions on like art girl when can I pull when can I pull the plug on the Twitter because I suspect that you can I I literally will tomorrow okay it's gone cut the Twitter

You know what I'm saying? It's gone. It's just gone. Because I know neither of us can trust ourselves. This is my other recommendation to you. Not sponsored. This is my end-all to you. I know you've really taken to end-all to help you fall asleep or, you know, relax or focus. Love end-all.

I've used an app lately, again, not an ad, called Opal, which just locks you out of your apps for a designated period of time. And I found it immensely helpful. It locks me out of specific apps and I am just like, well, let me just, I bricked my phone essentially. Let me just sit through a movie without looking at my fucking screen, my other screen. And it's actually done wonders for my viewing experience where I'm like, let me actually pay attention to what's happening because I decided to press play on this film.

Yeah. I think that it's just being conscious of balance too, is like what you're saying. It's like, you know, there's going to be a certain designated period of time where I don't allow myself even the opportunity of this. I am literally, and this is so top of the year resolution of me, but I'm reading. This is the book I'm reading.

I've been wanting to read this. It's Down the Drain by Julia Fox. Oh, the Julia Fox book. I love Julia Fox. This is a really good read. I'm about halfway through. And I just like filling your life with different things. You know what I'm saying? It's like not to be like it's giving 30s, but like not focused on things that you know. It's a definition of insanity to return to things that

And expecting they have a different result. I'm never going to have a positive result carrying on the way I'm carrying on. I have to do different things with my life. But reading books, I'm saying, and this is not just the January speaking, it is the cure-all. It will cure all of the ills within you if you read a book. I'm telling you, it's the best. I want that to be what we leave the readers with. Yes. We might have to start a book club.

Maybe. Maybe. You know, we've done book club episodes in the past. To huge success. Massive successes. And I think WAI really happened in this episode.

What was it again? Warmth, acceptance, inclusion. Warmth, acceptance, inclusion. Title of ep is Warmth, Acceptance, and Inclusion. With Matt and Bowen. It should be W-A-I, parentheses, Warmth, Acceptance, and Inclusion. I want the acronym to really hold its own space. W-A-I. People, whenever you go out and you feel challenged, I want you to say this. Way! Way! Way! Warmth, acceptance, and inclusion. Way!

The way. Way. And it's also, it's a vocal warmup. You love that. Let's do it together. One, two, three. The way. But you can work it into a sentence when you, I know you like to say the way. The way. This episode. Carried down. We gave everything. This is an auspicious beginning to 2024. I have good feelings about this year. I'm ready to level up.

Let's go, bitch. Year nine. Year nine. Come on. All right. We're going to end. Why don't we do this? Why don't I guess what yes and is going to sound like? Okay. Go.

Yes, and I love myself. Yes, and I love you too. Yes, and... This is kind of giving Taylor. It's not giving Ariana's... I'm sorry, Ariana. Don't worry. She's not listening to this. She might be like... She's busy. She's got her album art to collect. Listen, we're staying in the same hotel.

You are? Yeah. And she was like, I'll like just like sit on the side and just like agree. And I'm like, no, Ari. She wanted to sit there while you record. She wanted me to go over and play Quiplash. And I was like, I can't. I'm recording the pod at nine because it's like 1 p.m. And she was like, well, I can just you can just come over and then you can record from my bed. I was like, no, Ari. Yeah.

I have to be engaged with my girl. I have to look at my girl in the eye. And this will not be your Lost Cult's debut. I think there will be opportunity in the future for her to come on if she would like to. Eagerly await that. We eagerly await. We love you, Ari. We can't wait for the new work. All right. Well, that's it. And we end every episode with a song. Yes.

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