"White, Fair and Blessed" (w/ Matt & Bowen)
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Guys, let's get right into it because there's a lot to say and a lot to cover this week. And we don't have a minute to spare. Shout out to Brooke Ashley. Always. Can I just say, did we already go over this on the last episode? Watching the two of you together is so thrilling. So Matt was recently on Brooke Ashley's podcast.

And YouTube show? Well, it famously started as a YouTube channel. She's my favorite Housewives recapper. Mine as well. And so, like, I think I told Bowen about her, must be like a few years ago now. It's been like three years at this point, because I remember just, I...

have never aligned with someone more besides you on Housewives opinions. And she always had the right opinion on Potomac. And then it expanded to other franchises as well. Yeah, I just think she's fabulous. But I'm so used to seeing her on one, like it's just her talking to sort of extemporaneously to the camera, which is

Such a difficult skill. She's so good at it. Like talking by yourself to the camera for an extended period of time is a challenge. But then seeing her share the space with you, both of you together is so wonderful to watch. She is. She obviously loves you. You love her. I love her. I mean, everyone treat yourself. Even if you don't know anything, housewives, just watch these two people talk to each other. It's really, really, really lovely. I love her.

And we had fun. And I had been wanting to come on her channel for such a long time. I will say, I'm sort of trying to back off like doing any other podcast right now because I kind of became like the face of Housewives Opinions there for a second because I just can't fucking help myself. Careful. People are like, okay, I was going to do my, I don't think so, honey, about this, but like,

People's reaction to you in that like online community when they don't agree with you is so intense. And the number one thing they always say is like, I don't even know who this is. Who is this guy? Oh, no, we're done with that, guys. Can I say like, who is this guy is not really necessarily, it doesn't work as a read. It just kind of says like, okay, so I don't really even know what it says. I'm just like, no, I don't have to prove who I am.

You don't have to prove who you are. I have stopped saying that outright. I've stopped being like, I don't know who that person is as if that's a worthwhile thing to vocalize or say out loud or like as if that's supposed to elicit a response from someone else. Like, I don't know a person. Oh, right. Because there are

A million people. Nine billion people in the world. You fucking loser. Yeah, I didn't know because there's a million people out there. You can't know them all. There's a million. Anyways, so yeah, I've taken a little bit of a step back because people were like, wow, he really goes hard for these on his outside opinions. And I'm like, it's true. I just got to hose myself down sometimes. I'm like, Matt, stop. But I do think I helped move the needle.

I do. Of course you do. Oh, I think public opinion is moving in the right direction thanks to people like you and Brooke. 100%. Also, one last thing about the I don't know this person thing. Discourse. God, I fucking hate it. That implies that you are up to speed on the culture and it's nigh impossible these days to like know everything about everything. I don't know. It's just like

Whatever. Even that's giving too much credit. It's like you're not cool enough to know what's going on. No, like period. It's just fun. Especially someone like you who's fucking a reply guy or someone who's like, you know, I don't know someone who is like, so I mean, look, we're we have the same disease as you. We love the real housewives, but like you are not right in the head.

If you are commenting on videos like this. Anyway, that's my opinion. My thing is just like, I genuinely, genuinely like it because I like it sociologically. No, of course. Like, I love to watch these shows and like see how they react with each other, etc. I love it, too. But then I will say you finally stumble upon something like the Salt Lake trailer that dropped. Oh, and you're like, oh, wait, hold on.

It has felt different because I'm out here being like, keep Jersey, keep Jersey the same or like just change a couple of things. And then Salt Lake comes and I'm like, you know what?

This feels really good. That actually wasn't feeling so good. The Salt Lake trailer, you guys. Woo! We're back. We are so back. Eight Lisas. A dinner with eight Lisa Barlows. And then during it, Lisa Barlow reaches over and tries to snatch Whitney Rose's Lisa Barlow wig off her head and says, take that wig off. You could never be me. Come on. Come on. Let's go. Let's go.

The Olympics are back. And they are starting again on September, what is it? 18th? 15th? September 18th. It's so soon. September 18th. September 18th. The Olympics are back. Honey, two guys. What is it? Seven iconic women. Seven women.

Bronwyn is back, y'all. The name Bronwyn is going to really make a huge splash. My co-star in Wicked, Bronwyn James, iconic British actress. I can't wait to meet her and really connect. The Shenshen to my Fanny. Make the Shenshen Lego as well. That was my last I Don't Think So, Honey. I forgot that part. If there's going to be a Fanny Lego, there better be a Shenshen Lego, period. Should we establish? Has it really been established? I know that maybe people might know that your name in Wicked is Fanny, which is pussy in British lingo.

I mean, everyone on set, all these wonderful Brits were like, just stifling laughter. Like, okay, can we get a final check on Fanny? No.

Like if a guy's, if some foppish sidekick in a huge movie was named pussy in America on an American set, that would be crazy. Oh man, you see me out here standing. Oh wow, I can't believe it. Like you're pussy. You're pussy. Bronwyn, anyway. So yes, Bronwyn is back. The name Bronwyn. Now can I ask why?

Is this some sort of Mormon name, Bronwyn? Or is it like some sort of... No. What is it? It's Celtic. It's Celtic Gaelic. It's something. Here, let's look at the origins. I'm actually way ahead of you. So there's many ways that you can spell the word Bronwyn. Bronwyn is a feminine given name, a variant of the most feminine name Bronwyn, Branwyn, literally meaning white raven or abstractly white breast.

Holy shit. I love a white breast. It means to be white, fair, and blessed. Oh my God. Branwen. Branwen. White, fair, and blessed. Title of ep. Title of ep.

You're two out of the three. Girl, I am not fair. You're white and blessed. Life. I'm like, I'm a lot like life. I'm fair and blessed. I'm two out of the three too. You really are fair and blessed. Oh no, I guess according to you, I'm allegedly white. And so I think I'm three for three. Oh yeah. I almost forgot my conspiracy theory about you.

That you're parroting this image as a queer Asian man. For fame, success, and more. And more. And it's working. We're all playing into it. Now, I'm not done with Salt Lake yet. We got to keep talking about Salt Lake just a little bit more. We're not done. What are your hopes and dreams for season five? Oh my God. My hopes and dreams include that Bronwyn actually, whoever this new Bronwyn is, comes in like defense against the dark arts because not the turf book. Sorry, bitch.

No, I'm kidding. I'm kidding. Keep going. I'm trying to say that the Salt Lake Villain of the Year needs to be like the Defense Against the Dark Arts teacher. Right. It's a revolving door. If like, I guess the Voldemort is Jen Shah...

Right. Oh my God, that's amazing, man. It really feels insane to be making these metaphors. But in the way that she sort of looms over the whole franchise and is there, and then she had her little Death Eaters coming in, like Monica, and there was Jenny. God, remember Jenny Wen? Jesus. She was horrible. And now we're getting Bronwyn, and I don't necessarily know that she's going to be a villain, but I just think it would be fun for Salt Lake to have this insane character come in every year for...

fuck shit up and our heroes make it through. Oh my God. And that makes Heather gay, hairy. That's incredible. Someone make the poster now. You're a Mormon, Heather. I'm a what? A Mormon. Oh, wow. Except, except it's not about getting invited to join a wizard school. It's about being compelled to leave the Mormon church. To leave the church. And then Hagrid is Andy? Andy?

Cohen? This is getting... We lost the thread. Anyway, in a world where this is a one-to-one, then I guess we'd still be talking about Harry Potter, but we simply can't. Although I will say, I feel like we haven't said on the podcast, but wow.

Fuck her. I think this is like a yearly thing. We've said it a million times, just like not in light of the recent shit. It gets worse year after year, though. Anytime I'm like, oh, I forgot about Miss Joanne. Then she like does something fucking disgusting again. And you're like, oh, you.

God, I thought we were done with you. She is awful rotted. Isn't it wild how much like Voldemort she became? Like, if you really think about what she created and, like, what she's become, she's become, like, this, like...

arbiter of negativity and hatred and transphobia. And it's branching out into all these other things to the point where it's just like a gathering storm online that she's in the center of. And that to me is like very close to what she wrote. Write that book. Yeah. Well, it's like, no, I think I've said this before. It's like, this is someone who wrote like a huge book

morality tale, a fictionalized morality tale. And so, of course, she's going to like form her own. She's going to create out of nothing like all of these morals and fears and all of these things within her own fucking weird imagination. And then it's all imagined. It's all like fucking crazy. I hope I hope that

She gets sued out of her fucking ass with this. Well, I think she is, right? Yeah, yeah. She and Ilhan are both named into Mani Khalifa's lawsuit. And so we'll see how far this goes and how long this gets drawn out. But God, peace and blessings to gold medalists. I know. Yeah, gold medalists that Mani Khalifa deserved. And I would say I'm just I would love to see them get taken for as much money as possible.

Like, cause you know that they're made of it. And even if they're taken for as much as possible, it still won't make a dent. But the fact is like, it needs to be public as fuck that you can't just fucking do this. It's,

It's crazy. And by the way, you know, who's max disgusting now is like, Oh, I've kind of course, but like, and we'll stop talking about these demons, but like Megan Kelly, like back on her shit on her like YouTube channel, because this is all these people can get after they get kicked out of like media. And then, you know, they point to figure out how corporate media is evil, which whatever, it's a longer discussion, but they end up on their YouTube channels saying this shit. Like, yeah. Why are men competing against women? It's so disgusting. Yeah.

Hmm. I mean, we really are flying around the map today, huh? Yeah. Like Elphaba and Oz, two white, fair, and blessed co-stars discuss pop culture on the latest episode of Lost Culturistas, the podcast from iHeartMedia. ♪

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So speaking of white, fair, and blessed, the cast of Salt Lake City, what was your pull? I'm excited for eight Lisa's at a table. I'm also excited for Meredith versus Mary. What about you? I was going to say Meredith versus Mary. You have been using me for the past three years. I mean, just incredible. I personally don't believe that bringing Mary Cosby into...

The tableau and to promote her from friend of is the best move. I think she's dangerous. I think she really is evil. So I don't know about that. I am so excited for these people to be back. I mean...

We watched the Palm Springs episode the other night with Jared. We did. I think we willed this trailer into existence because we watched it and the next morning we woke up and it was like today. There was a teaser for the trailer all day and the Housewives fan community was on fire. That's how you know. If there was a teaser for the... If there was a trailer for the trailer or a teaser for the trailer...

Yeah, they definitely were going to do that for Roni, but which we love. And I think you and I are both on the same side of the Roni trailer looks great. We are genuinely excited for the season, but that seems to be a point of division and contention in the community. Yeah, people are dragging the Roni trailer. I'm like, whatever. I'm excited. I think it looks good. I think it looks fun. I also know exactly what to expect.

Yes, of course. Which is, it's going to be like, that show is still finding its footing. I would say to anyone out there who doesn't listen to Housewives and is still with us, I'm nearly 15 minutes in, Salt Lake is a really easy and good one to get on board with. And it's already kind of in the modern era of Housewives, the best. Yeah. And also, it's short to write. The first season's like 13 episodes or something. The second season is...

like peak TV. It's incredible. And then the third season kind of tapers. And then the fourth season is really fucking good.

And ends in the most, probably the most satisfying conclusion. Yes. It starts at on a high note and ends on a higher note. And we will keep saying it should have been nominated for best unstructured reality program. 100%. For outstanding unstructured. Unstructured reality television program. Like open your eyes, Emmy voters. That is prestige. And by the way, we have to end of the week to vote. If you're an Emmy voter-

I want to see Bowen Yang checked off on your box. We need to take these other nominees down. We need Bowen Yang to take it. It's less about Bowen winning. It's about the other ones getting taken down. Take down former guest of the podcast, Paul W. Downs. Just kidding. He deserves...

to win. Love Paul. I just like to have been brushing up on the shows again. And for some reason, I just like blew through hacks when it came out. And I was like, let me give this one more watch. I loved the season so much. Season three. You mean you blew through it because it was just like, you just had it on. I just had it on. I guess I wasn't like keyed in as much as I like should have been. And then like the finale was like, whoa, oh my God. And then I like wanted to like watch it back from the beginning. Cause I feel like they were planting things throughout the season. And yeah,

God, great show. It's a fucking amazing show. Just like, I think it's gotten better season over season. I loved every season, but like the first season, like my only thought was like, I wish this was just a little bit more joke heavy. And I think like they really struck that balance by season three. Like it's a genuinely amazingly on a joke level, great show. And then it's also like all like the dramatic things that are happening in it are so rich. And anyway, loved it. It's really great to watch like something like they have earned all.

All of those really compelling dramatic moments, like at the end of the season between Ava and Debra. And I would say that that is a really fascinating type of relationship for me. Like the sort of mentor-mentee thing, but it's also so loaded within that dynamic. And there is a parental thing, but the reminder that you should not invest in a parental sense in this person. And that way it's like a little...

it's almost like borderline abusive. Actually, I would argue that that relationship is kind of fully abusive, like psychologically, but it's fascinating to watch and you don't really see it done that much and that well on television, especially because you feel like not a lot of stuff gets to marinate for that long. I mean, this is four seasons we've watched of that relationship and it's still interesting. Yeah. And it's still really compelling and you get the sense that like,

It's just two amazing characters colliding and there is so many smart ways in which they interact and it doesn't ever feel basic or expected. It's just one of those things. Totally agree with you. And even the relationships outside of that central dynamic, I think are incredibly compelling. My favorite episode of the season was...

Debra Vance Christmas Spectacular written by Pat Regan. And it's where J. Smith Cameron comes for the Christmas dinner. And it's like they have like she and Debra have a whole scene outside. I was just like, J. Smith Cameron. Yeah, she's a fucking legend. My only no for Succession needed more Jerry every single season.

Yeah, I guess she kind of had to take a little bit of a backseat this last season, huh? I know, but I was just like, I miss Jerry. I want more Jerry. I miss Succession in general. I miss Succession in general. Are you kidding me? But you know what everyone is kind of saying is the new Succession? Yeah. So are you an industry girly? I need to start. Me too.

Me too. And here's the thing. I tried the first season and I will just admit this. I don't know what the fuck they're talking about on a base level. And the way they talk is so British that I don't understand it on, again, a deeper level. And so sometimes I'm just like, I need like not even subtitles. I need like an explainer at the bottom. You know what I'm saying?

You need to put notes. It's a couple different worlds, both like, you know, professionally and culturally that I'm just like, hold on a second.

Because did you feel that way about Succession starting out? Because Succession, there was this barrier of like, what are they talking about? It's like, what the fuck is a bear hug? All this stuff I had to eventually acclimate towards. I understand what you're saying completely. And I wonder if it's just some extra work, extra push. Honestly, with Succession, no. Because I think it was such a comedy and it was so kind of cartoonish. And I do mean that in like,

The best way. I mean, those characters, when you look at them, like they are, those characters are so, their comedy games are so clear. And that ultimately is what makes them dramatically compelling because you put them in very dramatic situations, very tragic situations. And so when they act a certain way, it's like you, you, it's very madman. I mean, it's like the smallest thing elicits the biggest emotional response from you, the viewer, because the characters are drawn so well and,

And so when you know the stupid little ways they're going to act because they just can't help themselves and you put them in very dramatic, tragic situations, it makes everything all the more heartbreaking because you're kind of laughing. Yeah. Anyway, to just to return to the industry of it all and Succession, I got Succession because it was presented in a way that gave me like a comedic way in, whereas industry like

I just have to give it another shot because everyone loves it. No, yeah, of course. Everyone loves it. But I kind of think... Joel's on this season. Yes. Oh my God. I think next episode, Joel is on. We just have to push past it. It's like, so someone, Lauren Mandel's father, Lauren Mandel, who helps us produce the Culture Awards every year, miracle worker. We got dinner with her last night and she was, we hadn't seen her in a while and she was saying how her...

Her father went to the culture awards and he said, and I think this is kind of, maybe this is helpful for you. Like he was like, I felt like I was in a foreign country. I did not know what the hell was being said on stage or around me, but I could not stop smiling and laughing. And I think it's, it's maybe it's that same thing of like, this is a foreign language and you will, but you will be swept up in culture.

the sort of the ethos of it, you know? Like, that is what's being sold to you. And that's what we love about television, right? It's like, oh, we're in another, like, we're in a world for a bit. I will say, the first season I watched, I believe it's the first episode. There is a scene in Industry when, like, it's these two gay guys and, like, one of them just sort of rolls up to the other's apartment and,

And that you can tell they're like so fucking horny for each other. And there is in this scene, literally just like they start making out. The one guy throws the other guy on the couch, takes his pants off and just literally enters the guy full tilt. Okay. Right away. And I was like, this is a fantasy. Yeah.

Yeah. Like just took this cock and

And I was like, can I say something? I fucking wish. That's how they do it in the UK. That's a British thing. No way. Would you know? You fucking whore. No. You and your fanny. I know what you've been doing, shaking your fanny all around the Soho area of London. You're such a whore, Bowen. Bowen Yang whore. It's really close to number eight. Can you imagine? Bowen Yang whore. Whore.

Point is, well, we should get into industry, I guess. It'll fill some succession-shaped hole. I mean, should we talk about...

Should we talk about how... Vulture did a whole piece about how, like, trying to get to the bottom of why The Morning Show got so many Emmy nominations. Oh, please. Everyone's such a hater. Everyone's such a hater, but I think... The reason that I'm taking away... The big thing that I'm taking away is because it's the first post-succession year at the Emmys, right? It was not... Okay, let's just say this. I think The Morning Show is great. Like, I think it is what it is. I think it's an incredible soap opera.

And I think it doesn't apologize for being a soap. I think it leans all the way in and it's very good at that. So the category that it should compete in is drama. And it's a soapy drama. And I think if it's good at being that and people are watching it and it's delivering on the promise of the premise, if you would, then give it its Emmy nominations. I think it doesn't pretend to not be a show where Reese Witherspoon goes to space. Right. And so...

I think people are taking issue with it being rewarded, which I think is not the thing. That's not the conversation to be had. Can I say, this is a huge stretch, but it's a little misogynist to me. I think a little bit, yeah. To be like, oh, this thing that's like soapy and delivers and, you know, has us talking, you know what I mean? I look forward to it a lot because I watch it and I scream laughing and I'm dying because

watching it and I'm the biggest fan of it. I know when it's ridiculous. You hear me talk about the third graders like literally on a ride to heaven and hell at the same time writing this show. But the thing is like it is really good at being that. Yes. And that is a form of entertainment. So just because you're not like

crying real tears and racked with emotions after watching something in a real grounded way does not mean that it's not worth its salt. And I feel like to hold against it, its tone and its genre is a little misogynist to me. If we're really going to argue about what it is at the base, to write it off as fluffy or...

Yeah. I get people looking at it and being like, oh, everyone from the show is nominated. Yeah, it wasn't a particularly competitive television Emmy year. You know what I mean? That's why I got in there. Sure.

Shut up. That's not literally not true. I'm kidding. But I will say like, and I've on the record about this, anytime it feels like three or four shows are nominated for everything, it doesn't mean those things were that much better than everything else. It means the campaigns worked. It means the money talked. And it means that probably wasn't that competitive of a year. And also like those things are probably quality. You know what I mean? And we're here to say that the morning show is quality. Like I read, I read this piece and I was like, oh, but it's also just like,

It is like the biggest drama on television right now. Besides like Shogun and whatever. Oh yeah, Shogun. I think Shogun is taking everything. Shogun is taking everything. But we're saying, but like, just let it, let Morning Show have the W. And also like for the reasons that everyone is saying, it's not going to win.

You know what I mean? Because people have already, there's this weird kick up about like, and I think we do contribute to it because I get on here and I say it's the most insane show ever. We contribute to it in the right way and we have it on good authority that the people at Apple TV love it. All I know is that there's no notes from, I haven't heard anyone be like, wow, you guys are really rough on that show. No. It's very clearly my favorite show. Yeah.

Enough. Actually, you know what? I hope it wins. Me too. I would scream. You know I've wanted an Emmy in Jennifer Aniston's hands for that part for a very long time. Of course. Did she ever win for Friends? No. She did win for Friends. She win and win. Oh, yeah. She did win for Friends. The Emmy winners from Friends are Jennifer Aniston and Lisa Kudrow. Never? None of the guys? None of the guys ever won an Emmy for Friends. Nominations came, but...

They did not get the W. I would say that the most underrated person on that show is Kourtney. Definitely. Monica holds the center. It's not Rachel. It's Monica. It's her house. Four. Keep that in. Four. I want them to know it was me. Yeah, that was four. It's always four. It's always four. Never five.

It's sometimes five, but it's always four. Is it a good day when it's five? It's really culture number 19. When Matt sneezes, it's always five. But it's always four. Is it lucky if you get to five? No, I think something's wrong at that point. So this is bizarre, but my grandmother and I share that when we get full, like when we've eaten enough, we sneeze four times.

I just started acupuncture and I think this is something that can be addressed. Yes. Well, can I say, if it's going to address it by making me stop sneezing, I don't want that because I love to sneeze more than I love to cum. And I love to cum. And I love to cum. What is cumming if not sneezing from your dick? From the bottom, from your dick. From your fanny. From your fanny. What is shitting if not sneezing from your ass?

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We're very excited about it. I'm not about to bite my tongue. We want to sell it out and the dates are coming up fast. And so if you live in one of these areas, we want you to buy your tickets now. It's all available on our Instagrams, on our website.

our websites on our link tree, but you can see us in Washington, DC on October 10th, Chicago, October 13th, October 17th. We're in LA at, in Hollywood. We'll be in Atlanta on Halloween, October 31st. We want y'all to come out. We want y'all to kick it. We will be doing our coveted live show live.

with special guests, with just me and David, depending on the city. It'll be a great time. All that meet and greets. You think Chris Brown has a good meet and greet? Bro, let's be clear. I'll take a weird picture with you for free.

Wait, should we discuss the Agatha trailers? Yeah, sure. They look pretty fun. They look pretty fun. I'm excited. I'm so excited. Yes, the sheer. The sheer's a made it. Patti LuPone. Yeah. Little guy from Heartstopper or whatever. Joe Locke. Joe Locke. That is a show that you will never hear us talking about because we are simply not in the right demo. The Heartstopper? Yeah.

I've tried so many times at that show and I'm just like, I'm not, I need to accept that this is not made for me and that's okay. Yeah, it sounds like you're having strife about it. No, it's not strife. It's just, I think everyone, especially maybe people our age, feel this like global sense of

having to consume everything because we're like, I don't know, maybe we feel like we're right in the middle and we're a bridge between generations. And so therefore we should like look at both sides or whatever. Like, but I think maybe I'm getting to the age now as a 33 year old man where I'm like, oh, this high school drama D about two gay guys or whatever, or a bunch of queer friends is like not.

For some reason, it's not for me and that's okay. But there was a time when it was and I would have loved this if I was half my age. But unfortunately, I'm double that age. Part of me feels like, you know, that question of like, oh, I wish that this were around when I was younger. I think that's definitely true. Like I think had I been in high school and I saw like Love, Simon, I think I would have been like encouraged because I would have seen my peers go see that movie, et cetera. Really, I remember when that movie came out and like,

you know, like all the coolest people in America had things to say about like why it was problematic and stuff. I'm like, it's kind of missing the point because like,

It's heartstopper at that time. Like, it's just not for you. It's for like, it's honestly for straight people to literally be like, hey, I'm an ally and supporting this. I'm Jennifer Gardner. I can understand in a very basic way what's happening here. This kid is stressed out because he feels he can't be himself, etc. Whatever. It doesn't have to speak for everyone. It was just like a little, you know, the door was ajar at that moment.

But sometimes I think like going back to when I was that age and I would just like watch like High School Musical and High School Musical 2. And it was just like these straight people. I remember like feeling like there was like a... I had like a melancholy while I watched it the whole time. Like as a little gay kid. Yeah. Being like, oh, I'm so...

I love watching this, but it's just not for me. And I don't know what this sensation is, but I wouldn't replace that melancholy in my life. Like I, I kind of,

It gave you perspective. Yeah. It's not that I liked not having that representation because that's not true, but there's something about like me now where I'm happy that I didn't have those types of things that not happy, but like I can appreciate not having them then because I know it's important now. Yeah. I mean, it's like the absence of those things from when we were younger is

Aids and like helps the creation now. Yeah, because you can point to that moment as like, oh, I want to be able to write from this kind of pathos or whatever. But also you're thinking...

like, I know how to cope with this feeling from now on. And so it's like, it's the reason why we're having this conversation now. We're like, oh, that's not for us. Or like, we, like, we are outside of the circle for this and that's okay. Like there's, we're going to, we're going to survive that. We're not, there's no like dire limbic brain evolutionary need for us to be in the, in that mix. Yeah. You know? Yeah. It's funny. Like I think back and

Sometimes I wonder, like, am I going to be part of a generation that looks back and is resentful of the fact that looks down at the younger generation and is resentful about the opportunities they have? And because I could sense that sometimes from the generation up and those above us that there's like sometimes it's like when when the new generation has it easier based on whatever minority you occupy or whatever it is that you're facing. There's the opportunity to be a little resentful of that upcoming generation because you're

You're upset that you didn't have that. And I guess like the way that I'm looking at things like this now is I don't regret the piece of me that formed emotionally when I felt like I didn't have those things. And it makes me really happy for like the new generation that has this representation and has these shows to look forward to almost because of the fact that I like the like

almost grief I had about like not having that or like that's what it ended up turning into I think has made me

the type of person and the type of artist and type of creator I am right now. So it's not a thing where I'm looking back and being like, I wish I had been able to see two high school boys kiss on a Ferris wheel. Right. And it's like, I'm really happy that's there now. I don't regret not having that because I think it actually made me who I am to feel like there was a missing thing there.

in culture that was that. And I'm not claiming to occupy the space where that is represented now. What I'm saying is I like what it did for me as a person ultimately to be lacking that at the time. You're not disoriented in that place if you feel that from it, because you will feel that way throughout your whole life of being like, oh, I wish that was for me.

Like, am I making sense? Well, it's like in high school, like when you're upset the whole time because all your straight friends have girlfriends and boyfriends and you don't. You know what I mean? I wouldn't want to go back and have a... Maybe I would. Or I guess what I'm saying is it's like, I don't regret...

The way that things turned out. For some reason, this is making me think about, first of all, that is like such a cogent thing that you're saying. Thanks. Just thinking about like the way we might become an older generation that like looks at a younger one and is resentful. Like it's making me think about, not that I'm bringing this up and like shoehorning this in, but like this interview magazine thing with Chapel Roan came out where she and I talked and then someone was talking to me

about it and saying, like, it was just so nice to see, like, someone of, like, a different, like, queer micro generation, like, reach out and, like, give her, like, you know, talk to her and give her a hug and not make it feel transactional. I'm like, oh, thanks. And then I was like, yeah, because I guess...

I was like, is this how like older gay men, like gay men who were older than Gaga when she was first starting out? Like, is this how they felt towards her? Or I thought, were they a little too wrapped up in the Madonna of it all? Like, were they trying to like be loyal to Madonna and therefore like maybe Gaga did not feel that same sense of like, although what am I saying? Of course she did. But like maybe she in some way did not feel that same sense of like communal protection at all.

Mm-hmm. Around her the way that, like... Like, I just can't imagine Gaga feeling resentful towards Chapel in the way that, like, Madonna definitely was towards Gaga. Well, it's no longer cool to have that mentality. Yeah, yeah. It's that, and also, we are in a culture now where it would be incredibly, like...

a huge alarm bell and red flag if Lady Gaga looked down at Chaperone and was like, fuck her. Yeah. In the way that, and also we're not in a, we're not necessarily, or they're maybe not feeling as much the need to give into the thing the media does of pitting women against other women and older women against younger women, whatever. Women against women in general, like that's,

We've called that out to such an extent right now that if Lady Gaga were to be like Chapel Roan's like

and this is not happening, but like whatever copying me or like, you know, in my image, et cetera, in the way that Madonna would hint. Right. Which is again, not happening. It would be received less than badly. Definitely. It would go through the floor. And I also wanted to say about that interview piece, like I was reading it and I was like, Bowen was the perfect person to do this because you're both queer, but occupy different subsects of what that means. But also I think

The thing that's happening with Chapel, and it almost feels like weird to even comment on it in the wake of having the knowledge about this, but this thing that is happening with her about the very sudden, very accelerated rise to superstardom. I think that you actually can speak to that. You like...

accelerated at SNL in a very, very, very fast way. I mean, you were featured cast member, like who occupied like a space on that show pretty immediately. And we're nominated for an Emmy, the first ever featured cast member to be nominated for an Emmy. And also like we talked about, uh,

a few weeks ago, like you serve a purpose on that show as like a representative for it and a star of it. And I think that happened like relatively quickly. So no, it wasn't six weeks of like chapel releases, like good luck, babe. And then it's like all of a sudden, whatever. But I thought that what was so compelling about your conversation was that you were giving her advice, maybe without even thinking about that, but in sharing your experience and in hearing her, it felt like,

These are two people that lived a similar type of thing. And that's why it's compelling to see them have this conversation, especially in the wake of everything she's going through, which is her discomfort with her level of notoriety so quickly. Yeah. Because that was something that you experienced. Yes. And that was something I struggled with. It was a really nice conversation. We obviously root for her. They did. And I have to say again,

Edit out the part where I said my best friend Matt on the podcast introduced me to her. I know, but still. I was like erasure of lost culture. Should we tell the story of that night? What? No. No. No, we can't tell the story of that night. We can't.

We were, I was depressed. Bone was depressed. We were in different cities. I was in London. You were in LA. You were in London. I was in LA. I had just seen Chaperone and I had just seen Chaperone at the Fonda.

And I had been taking for an emotional ride. I texted Bowen, oh my God, Chaperone is the new girl. You have to get into her. Like, I'm telling you, this is a four alarm thing. Like, she's the next Lady Gaga, et cetera. I texted Bowen and Bowen ignored my text and posted a picture of him and Ariana Maddox. Of me and Ariana Maddox. Also, it was like 4 a.m. I was in a car on this, on the way to Wicked, to the Wicked set. I was so delirious from the travel and the SNL week, the week before, and like just...

discombobulated in a way, in a degree that was dissociative and I had a full breakdown later on that summer. And so Matt, like,

I was just getting home from like a bender, I would say. Not a bender. I was on one because I saw Chapel and like, this is, wow. You were so like, I don't know, like riled up? Drunk. Drunk? I was wasted probably doing other things. And I remember I had been so lit up from Chapel. I went out in WeHo and then whatever the fuck happened, I think I met up with a couple of friends and I came home and I had texted Bowen and he had not responded, but he did post a picture of him in Ariana Maddox. And I was just like-

And I remember I texted you. I was like, how come you can post a picture of Arianna Maddox and you can't even respond to my text about Chapel Roan? And Bone was just like, I am depressed, period. And I was like, I'm depressed too. And we just got to the end. And then I was- We're screaming fight on the street. And then this phone call transferred from the car that dropped me off at base camp on Wicked to my trailer.

The PAs were about to ask me for my breakfast order, but before they could knock on my door, they absolutely heard me scream at the top of my lungs. We were screaming at each other. We were screaming at each other. This was a...

This was the... It was really bad. This was the stalagmite depths of our friendship. Honestly... This was a bad moment of the friendship. No, can I say, how many fights have we had like that in our entire friendship? Four? Yeah, three or four. But you know what we always do? Let's say 90% of the time...

It resolves in that same conversation. Of course. Would you say that that one did? Yes, it literally did. Because remember, I started sobbing. I was like, this is about other things. I was like, I'm so sorry. I don't want to fight with you. Right. And both of us were like sobbing. Come on. Yeah. I think we were like, what is this? What's happening? Like, this is something beyond our control. But it was...

It's so funny. The origin, the seed crystal of that, the powder keg was Chapel Rowan. It literally was. In Aria Automatics. In Aria Automatics. It's these two women. Talk about a fucking time capsule. It was like, it was the night I just, I really discovered Chapel Rowan and I went to Bowen and I was just like, you know what it was? I was so positive you would love her. Of course. And the only concern I had was that you do that. And also, I'll just say, vulnerable thing for me, I am vulnerable.

very sensitive to when I send

A text? I'm going to say... I'll say someone, but I will say you. A text. And they don't respond. There's response on group chats or you posting elsewhere. It drives me crazy because I feel like I'm being ignored. And then I think you're mad at me and I'm very sensitive to that. And so that's what it was. And also me being that drunk. But you were going through so much. And I just... We were both going through it. We both were. But I, in that moment, Achilles heel, I think...

I just got in my feelings and made it a little about me and about something else. And I immediately broke the fuck down because I realized what I was doing. And I think it's like one of those times when it's like, when you get so upset or you get so angry and you get so hurt and you realize, it's like you're aware of the fact that like, oh, I'm not doing well. It's not about this. I'm just not doing well. It's such a bad feeling when that kind of realization sets in. You're like, oh, fuck.

I am not okay. And I was way out of pocket. Way out of pocket. Well, there were just substances involved on your end and there was sleep deprivation involved on my end. Yeah, it was not a good mix. The worst mix, yeah. I would say the versions of us that are not great collided. Oh God, anyway. But that is the first time I said to Bowen, Chapel Rowan. I was like, I showed you an artist that I know you're going to love.

I'm like cackling. I'm throwing my head back. Yeah. And it probably did last like what? 15, 16 minutes. But when I tell you sometimes, like maybe it's like four or five times in my life, I have heard this sound come out of my body, which is like this guttural like bear scream to the point where I was like,

Like, oh, like I am. I screamed back at you kind of in the same timbre. You did. You did. It did not feel good. I'm a screamer. I, when I scream, I fucking scream. I'm telling you, like, I've gotten into arguments with you like this. Like, again, once in a, the bluest moon, Sudi and I years ago got into it on this. It always happens on the street really late at night. And we got into it on the street in front of our park sub apartment in such an insane mood.

like rabid way. I would say this is very healthy. No one needs to be alarmed. Like this is just something that like friends, friends do. Like it's, it's bloodletting. It's like emotional bloodletting. And this is just depending on the friendship. This, this is helpful. Keep going. I mean, literally it only happens with people that you really care about because I think the only other person that,

I've gotten like that with is my father like in high school that sort of disconnect between father and son like was the last time I can remember being that upset but it was it was again about a mil about well not a million other things about one big other thing sure but then a million other things in its orbit within that yes yeah wow that's the birth story of chaperone I think I was also incredibly jealous that you had a picture with Ariana laughing

At the time, I was like, oh, so you can post a picture with Ariana Maddox. I can't. It's the only sound in my text. I was like, I want a picture with Ariana Maddox. And then I just, I went off the deep end. We're such gay guys. Oh, ultimately, yeah. Ultimately, yeah. Yeah.

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We're very excited about it. I'm not about to bite my tongue. We want to sell it out and the dates are coming up fast. And so if you live in one of these areas, we want you to buy your tickets now. It's all available on our Instagrams, on our website.

our website on our link tree but you can see us in Washington DC on October 10th Chicago October 13th October 17th we're in LA in Hollywood we'll be in Atlanta on Halloween October 31st we want y'all to come out we want y'all to kick it we will be doing our

coveted live show with special guests with just me and David depending on the city it'll be a great time all that meet and greets you think Chris Brown has a good meet and greet bro let's be clear I'll take a weird picture with you for free

Wait, speaking of Gaga, we just kind of brush up. We need to talk about Die With A Smile. Oh, I love Die With A Smile. It is my new favorite. Music is back. Music is so back. You say now in August 2021. Music has been really ripping. And hello this weekend. Oh my God, short and sweet. Okay, here's what's going on.

There is, there's so much. Lisa has a new song with Rosalia. Oh yeah. Flo has a new EP, has a new single from their EP, Flo has a new

The new Tinashe EP, Quantum may be incredible. No Broke Boys, Cross That Line, I'm obsessed with. Yeah, Tinashe is. Tinashe is it. We haven't talked about Addison Rae. We haven't talked about Di Pepsi. Forever by Charlie Bliss. Amazing new album by Charlie Bliss. If you don't know them, wonderful pop punk band. They're going on tour soon. And just, I don't know. I'm just like excited. Oh my God. There's a new girl, Zolita. Everyone should listen to Queen of Hearts. Zolita? Yeah.

You are going to fucking love this. Lolita with a Z? Lolita with a Z, Queen of Hearts. It's like, it's an EP album, eight tracks. So it's like in that right in that middle zone, that liminal space. But she's got like dance pop, some country pop moments. You are going to fucking love her all over again. All Girls Go to Heaven, Small Town Scandal, What If? I mean, so good. Okay. Anyway, that's my every episode in the year 2024 of Lots of Culture is going to be about music, period.

buckle up strap yourself in wait I haven't even um sat on the pod yet but the song Katie Gavin Katie I was gonna say Katie Gavin oh my god I love Aftertaste and it hit me hard of course when I finally listened to it because I get it and like I texted Katie and I was like I think that we share a heart and a brain because you do she just always says the thing like I mean whether it's with Moona now her solo stuff like

obviously I'm the biggest moonest fan, but like, I'm just so excited for her new music. I'm so excited for it. I mean, I, I've said time and time again, I think that she, as a vocalist and a writer, like is one of our generations. Greats to use the word generation for the millionth time today, just like the, how there's a million people out there in the world. Um,

But I love her. I love her. We love her. She's in Casual Drug Use, the new song from the album. She, I mean, she was so generous with us after Culture Award. She sent us the full album. The full album is incredible. It's just so incredible. People are gonna, I mean, it's not even like people, how could you ever be surprised? Like she's brilliant. Like they're so great. And okay, just to speak about the Addison Rae of it all. So I had a tug of war in my mind.

a war in my mind as Lana would say but I'm so happy I just decided to ride and really give into this song because wow it's so much fun and it's so great the production on her music is sometimes like well I guess it has it kind of has to be but it's 10 no I don't think she doesn't know one of the number one things I like about Addison Rae in this recording artist era is

how self-aware of the fact she is that like she's Addison Rae she's doing this thing she had a very clear reference here and it's Lana Del Rey and she's ahead of it and really aware of it and I think that's what makes the song and the music video so strong is the fact that it gets to like riff on Lana actively because it's aware at the front and it's all complimentary and like is in reverence

And the songs are so fucking fun. What do you make of the song originally being called Backseat, but then Miss Charlie XCX goes, change it to Die Pepsi.

Yeah, I think that's exactly right. I think CharlieXCX knows. I think it's actually rule of culture number 30. CharlieXCX knows. She was exactly right. I think Diet Pepsi is so much like more, to use my best friend's word, serrated. Oh. I think it pops more than backseat. Diet Pepsi makes you... I mean, you're never going to forget that it's Diet Pepsi because it's so...

It's like fringe. Diet Pepsi is fucking fringe. Well, Diet Pepsi is like... It's fringe culture. Is eternal. Is an eternal thing in the culture that has always been there, will always be there. And it's one of those things that makes you go, oh yeah. And then for this girl to write a song about it that is not really about Diet Pepsi in the end. Not at all. Is kind of incredible. But we're such Diet Coke girlies.

Speaking of which, it's so good. We need to pay respects as the internet and the world already has to Delta work. Oh, forget it. To the Diet Coke. I've watched it five times. It is the pinnacle. It is a moment in culture. It is a moment in culture. We might have to have a new list.

Because Delta Works Diet Coke Challenge is a moment in culture. Watch it if you haven't. If you have, watch it again. It is... It's the most impressive thing. It is a scream. I remember watching it the first time and going, oh my God, that's amazing. And I think for some reason I thought that she was told what the five sources of Diet Coke were to begin with. She was. She was.

Well, she was, but she wasn't because at one point when she's drinking the Burger King Diet Coke, she goes, ooh, maybe this is from Panera. So I think she went in knowing that they got her Diet Cokes from places that she frequents, but it was more than five. And so therefore, the extra layer of challenge in this is that it wasn't just like, oh, let me just do a one-to-one sort of like from the five that I know

in my head. It was like from all the places that, and this is someone who goes and is a fast food aficionado. Connoisseur. Connoisseur, connoisseurs, like knows, like there's, there's a big range of sources of Diet Coke for her. And she, for her to willow down to those five, like,

incredible. Can I tell you the only place? So here's a reveal. I don't know how much of a reveal it is, but I used to eat fast food in my twenties. I'm going to say at least three, four times a week, at least it was like that. It was bad. Like the metabolism was doing all the work.

Because the forces of evil, a.k.a. my brain, were at play. And my instinct was to eat this all the time. So, and it's to the point, and I don't know how you feel about this, outside of Del Taco, which I don't frequent...

Yeah. I could have done that. I could have done the Diet Coke challenge and every, so she's walking through why she knows that these Cokes are certain. Her palate is so refined. I think I could have been right there with her because every single thing she said, I was like, yes, McDonald's soda machines are a little bit more carbonated. Yes, the Burger King, there is a lack of pride in the presentation when it comes to the soda. It is always a little flat and there's a little bit too much sweetness in it.

Like a little bit too much like of syrup. It's like a little too much. In terms of bottles and cans, there is a huge difference. Yeah. To the point where you're like, why the fuck are we drinking out of plastic bottles at all? We could taste the difference. The only difference is the fact that there's plastic in the shit that you're drinking. So do not drink out of a plastic bottle, especially if can confirm you taste the plastic. You probably have the same taste

anatomical tongue is dealt to work where she's tasting the plastic. You're drinking the micro. Absolutely. And, but as she's walking through it and then she started to talk about the butt ice, but maybe the butt ice is so fucking real. And the butt ice is in those like,

Those fast food joints that don't take pride in the presentation. It's 100%. I think I could have gotten all of them, but Del Taco being first would have thrown me because I don't do Del Taco. Right. It's not my culture. She had a whole thing about like, look, they have my name in the title or my name in the name, Del Taco. Anyway. I'm telling you, I think I could do a nugget challenge for sure. Burger challenge would be easy because like, it's so specific, but...

She said she could do ranch. I was like, oh, that's insane. Ranch is insane. She said she wanted to do cookie. Yeah, cookie is like less interesting to me because it's like... It's hard to make that, shall we say, like a blind test. Right. The Diet Coke is perfect. Yeah. It has to be through a straw. You can't see where it's coming from. You can only see the delivery system and not the actual... And there needs to be like a...

a consistency around the sort of the way it's coming into you. Like that's the delivery system. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. When you said delivery system, it made me think of we were driving yesterday in West Hollywood and we saw one of those delivery boxes. Maybe that's my I don't think so, honey. Let's do it. It's time for I don't think so, honey. This is where we take one minute to...

To rail against something in culture, Matt seems to have something, and I can only emphatically agree with him. Are you ready? Yeah, I'm ready. This is Matt Rodgers. I don't think so. And his time starts now. I don't think so, honey. At least in Los Angeles, there's those delivery, food delivery robots. Ew. The boxes on the street. I'm telling you, this sucks.

sucks why are people talking about they're taking our jobs go come to West Hollywood I'm telling you who's taking your job a box a robot box that is I'm sorry but not reliable I could just knock that box over and guess who's not getting your food you 30 seconds I have no idea why this is the case why can't we give people the jobs

Let's give people the jobs because guess what could move faster than this rolling box on the street. A person, a galvanized person who wanted to do a good job that day.

Because they were making good living. These robot boxes, they're bumping into each other in West Hollywood like they're some gay guys. Bumping that. Bumping that. Five seconds. I feel insulted every time I'm seeing them because I know there's good food in there and I want it. And it's not happening quickly. I don't think so, honey. That's one minute. I don't like it. Their stupid little blinking eyes. Stop that. And stop trying to make them cute. Give me a break. Send a check to Pixar because you're trying to make them WALL-E.

Uh, hello. You, these boxes, you could never be, you could never be Wally. We're going to Disneyland later today.

I can't wait. What ride are you most excited about doing? Incredicoaster, of course. I don't think I've done cars before. You've never done cars? Right. Is that pretty new? Again, I have not been in five years. Oh my God. So this new thing is happening where I realized my concept of how much time has passed is like not good because I said, Bo, what are you talking about? We went a couple of years ago and I realized when I took you, it was...

Pre-pandemic. Pre-COVID. Wow. Okay, so lots to do now. Maybe we didn't get on Radiator Springs Racers, but I will trust and believe we will get on it today. It's my favorite. And we will be going to the Little Mermaid ride. All right. She's the most beautiful woman in the world. Ariel? Yes. I guess it's weird that I even had to ask the question, huh? Who else? And Ursula. I think Ursula is a great beauty and a sex icon. Body language!

Language.

I just, you cannot. If you are not at all attracted to Ursula, stop lying to yourself. You're in denial, bitch. God, that is pure raw sexual power. It's sexual energy. Ursula shows up and says, dare you to think anything other than what I would be like rocking your world tonight in my cave. In my cave. Tentacles all up in your fanny. You're about to get

sucked in by my fanny. Can you imagine Disney doing the tit jiggle when she shimmies in Poor Unfortunate Souls? They could never get away with that. They would never do it now. But that is so important. Huge. Poor Unfortunate Souls. Like her tits are shaking as they draw closer to the screen. I feel like we've lost the way

I'm ready. No, here. No, I'm ready. Put me on the clock. All right. Here we go. I love it. This is Bowen Yang's

Fresh out the oven. Fresh out the slammer. I don't think so, honey. His time starts now. I don't think so, honey. What is the current state of the Disney villains? We are just treading on nostalgia for the past, what, two decades? Name the last great Disney villain. Best I can come up with is King Candy slash Turbo and Wreck-It Ralph, voiced by the incomparable Alan Tudyk.

a voice acting legend, comedy legend, big hunk legend. But other than that, I can't think of the last great Disney villain because maybe they're too afraid to give you like a big popping Disney villain because it's like, they absolutely are. Because it's like, you know, they don't want the kids to sympathize with them too much or like identify with them. It is so important for children to identify with villainy on some degree so that you can develop some kind of compassion or understanding or complex emotional connection

knowledge of how the human condition is. You need a good villain in order to move through this world, in order to sort of have fun with it, in order to be a participant of life. You need a good Disney villain, and we've lost that thread for years now.

And that's one minute. It's a symptom of something larger, which is just fear in general. It's just... So I guess the Disney villains used to be so queer-coded. Yes. And now in a world where they're so afraid of hinting at any queerness or acknowledging any queerness or it just feels like things get softer and softer and softer, we've lost even that element of it. Also, these villains are supposed to stand in for something...

they're supposed to represent something else, something in society that is an evil, whether it's like, you know, greed or control or unchecked power. And the fact is like, you can't really summarize that stuff when you are that. When you represent all those things. I was just going to say like, wait a minute, like you are, there's a fear of self-examination going on here where you're like, well, wait, we can't make, yeah, it's, it's crazy. It's also just from a storytelling perspective. Like it's, it's,

At this point, it would be boring for another movie to come out. And the villain is actually my own doubts. You know what I mean? Give me a fucking break. Stop it. Put someone in a crazy fucking outfit. Have them have an overdrawn physical feature, whatever it is, and have them talk like a gay and have them tear it up and give them a big song.

I miss Scar. I miss queer Uncle Scar who was so pissed that he had to sing Be Prepared while his hyenas gooned around him. Excuse me. That was culture. And that was intro to Gooning 101, the hyenas.

That's a rule of culture. Sorry, one more time so we can say it together. The hyenas in Lion King were intro to gooning 101. Okay, what rule of culture is that? 12. It's rule of culture number 12. The hyenas in Lion King, that was intro to gooning 101. Especially Ed. Ed was gooning the entire time. Like, come on. We're so scared of being raw. It just makes these things so boring. And you know what's also annoying? What?

you know who had a good villain? The princess and the frog had a great villain. I know that was a great villain. And they made this Disney ride. And like, so the princess, the princess Tati's Bayou dip has replaced splash mountain. And the big complaint about that ride is there's no like dramatic tension. There's no element of fear. There's nothing. And they even had one built in and they refused to do it. God, what is that? Like,

They don't want the kids... Is it the parents don't want the kids to be too... They're afraid to upset the kids or something? I don't know. I don't fucking know. It's like there's no danger in anything. You know what I'm saying? It's like if anything, a Disney villain is important to like...

make tangible the fears that children have and to give them some sort of model to like overcome it or defeat it, quote unquote. You know, it's like, God, yeah. Wow. We really just like stumbled into this idea that like, I think we've, no one has ever vocalized. We haven't been able to vocalize at least on this show. Like the Disney, maybe Donna Murphy as Mother Gothel was the last great Disney villain.

And even that was like easy for them to bring out and draw out because like it's literally based on something else. It's in the story, yeah. And I guess like Frozen is based on the Snow Queen in which she was the villain. But in Frozen, it's like a sneaky villain. Like it's the guy that was the prince and was supposed to be good all... It's like such a cop out. You know what I mean? Well, honestly, at the time it wasn't and I remember being surprised by it because I'm like, oh, look, it's actually this guy. But like since then, you just get the sense that like...

That kind of keeps getting repeated. I just would encourage...

like some more straightforward stuff. Like it's okay. There are evil people out there. Yes. You know what I mean? Like there are, and there are evil things out there that should be personified in these stories. And it doesn't all have to be like, you have to overcome yourself. No. Sometimes there are external forces that come in and test you. It's not always what's going on in here. We need like our generations, like Pat Carroll and Jonathan Freeman. Like we need like Ruby McAllister to voice like an evil story.

or something. Oh, 100%. 100%. Maybe we have to create it, Beau. Maybe we do. Although I will say not to like talk about my own resume. I couldn't talk about this during the strikes, but I voiced a villain in a Netflix film, The Monkey King. Check it out. Yes. And that was queer coded. I had a song. It was so much fun. And I,

I'm so lucky that I got to do it. And I'm just saying like, it's a treat for a performer to do. Like, it's just fun to do. It's fun to watch. Like, put it back into a movie, into all movies. We need great villains back in kids entertainment. It's just funny that we're talking about this with Disney too, because they just announced the Villains Land that,

That they're going to make. So it feels like maybe they do know this, but it's like, if you know this, then like, let's see more of them created. Like it's, it's, you know what I'm saying? We're getting a new princess every other year. It's like, there has not been a canonized new Disney villain in quite some time. Did you ever see Wish? I started it and I was like, nah, I just can't. It's supposed to be Chris, Chris Pine. Chris Pine's the villain. Is he? Yeah, I think so. Okay. Anyway, I just, I had to stop. I just think evil is,

It's worth representing. Absolutely. Absolutely. Give us something to conquer, hon, that isn't in here. I'm doing therapy for that.

Exactly. There should be an evil therapist. Wait, the one thing I wanted to talk about that we didn't get to was this Trump using AI Taylor Swift. Oh, forget it. It's just so crazy because it's like this, this insane, this stupid fucking, and this is how you know that the discourse has to be so...

lame and watered down on a on like a huge mainstream level because there is no there there to the discourse of who is Taylor Swift gonna endorse

Babe, even in a world where she where she is the worst version of what people may think she is, which is like a brazen capitalist that like only cares about the bottom line, etc. Even in that world where she like maybe in this made up scenario does vote for Donald Trump in the booth, in the privacy of the booth.

It is so stupid to think that in any world she, Taylor Swift, who makes who writes lyrics like she writes, writes a song like the man is the person that she is, has publicly denounced Trump before in many ways, released a full documentary about her anger about this.

It is crazy to assume that she would ever endorse Donald Trump publicly standing what she stands for. So why are we talking about it? Like, yes, he used her fake AI, but like you only allowed him to do that by prolonging this thing of like, who's she going to endorse? Like she is who she is and she stands for what she stands for. She's going to come out and say Kamala, this insane thing of like, who is it going to be? It's like, pay attention for two seconds. I mean, they're just kind of using this idea

until she does say something to like, I don't know, drive clicks or whatever. But like this, this AI story is so fucking stupid. It's so insane. And I hope that there is some legal recourse that can be taken there because it feels crazy to me that he can do that and then post it on an official account. And, you know, I think it's like officially from the Trump camp is like, well, there's like Swifties for Trump and this is a movement that's growing all the time, which is like a lie. I'm sure there are,

Taylor Swift fans out there, her being like, you know, such a red state and blue state figure throughout her career. I'm sure there are Swifties for Trump, but like, why are we even allowing him to do that? Like, she so clearly represents everything that is in opposition to what he represents. Yeah. I think I was a little stoned when you or Jared showed me that. And I was like, no, no,

I can't like this isn't real. Like, it's so bizarre and surreal to me. I get that he gets to get away with all of his lies because he is who he is. And, you know, people genuinely just believe what he says. Like, we're just in a world now where there's like, I guess, two medias and one is has convinced one half of the country and the other has, you know, quote unquote, convinced the other half because they're representing like something that's resembles more reality, which is that he's a fucking racist.

he's the villain you know what I mean this just is what it is it's so bizarre we've gotten to a place where like he can even tweet that and people would even buy it at all because you'd have to listen to two seconds of her music or understand for one second like what she has spoken out about and what she's cared about to understand that would never happen yeah but he can just do this she

She would never put on an Uncle Sam costume and have airbrushed skin, hair, everything, stand in front of like a brick wall, I think, and point and say, I want you to vote for Donald Trump. I mean, whatever. That's just that's just where we're at. Like the warped image of it. I just I don't understand how we've gotten here. But then the other day, my sister showed me something that a relative of ours posted. And it was like, oh, yeah. Wow. God, people are just gone.

We have to go. We've got a busy day of podcasting ahead of us. Yeah, we're going to go record Two Guys, Five Rings right now. The last episode. The last episodes. But not the last of our careers. No, no. Our careers will continue. I'm saying maybe Two Guys, we have no idea if Two Guys, Five Rings will continue. We hope to do it again for the winter and for, God, Los Angeles. By the way. Oh, yeah. I was stuck in traffic.

for 25 minutes longer than I should have to cover half a mile at 3.30 p.m. on a Monday. Good fucking luck, Karen Bass et al. We love you, Karen. We support, but also, I don't know, not love, but you know what I mean? I love Karen Bass. This is going to be a crazy undertaking, but have fun. Oh, the fucking Olympics. Yeah, I was like, and Boehm was like, hey, I'm running really late, the traffic. I'm like, yeah, it's Monday at 3 o'clock. Imagine Olympics. Yeah.

Crazy. I don't get it. I just don't get how they're going to do it. But anyway, we'll see. Oh, we got a funny email. Did we? I'll tell you later. Okay. We had every episode with a song. If it was to you, if the party was over.

I love the cigarette hanging from her mouth. Oh my God. The choice to have the cigarette in her mouth on the record, not just in the video. It's so good. Perfect. Gaga. She did it again. Always. And he did it too. She sounds unreal. Her best singing. So does Bruno. Her best singing. It was over. Bye. Bye.

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