Last Update on the Left - Episode 4 - Columbine Revisited
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You know what song I got stuck in my head? What? Crocodile Rock. Oh, that's a good one. I mean, it's, yeah. Yeah, that's a good one to get stuck in your head. Yeah, it's pretty good. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Remember when we were young. Yeah, yeah. I always think of NFL Rocks, which is this VHS I had when I was a kid, and it was basically just big hits and touchdowns, and it was like a two-hour music video. And they used Crocodile Rock? That was the halftime show. No.

And it was just Crocodile Rock and a bunch of cheerleaders. So Crocodile Rock was like burnt into my head because it was like the first time I saw lots of ladies. It's incredible that Crocodile Rock doesn't make you think of crocodiles, considering how much you love the gators. I love gators. You know, crocodiles, you're cool too. Don't think I disrespect you, but I'm a gator boy first.

But, you know, crocodiles do rock, you know. I don't know what to do about it, you know. I fed a crocodile not too long ago. Maximo. Yeah. Yeah, that fucker ate a rat, dude. He had a couple rats. You know, crocodiles in zoos, they don't, they eat like three rats a week. That's it? 17-foot crocodile, that's all they eat.

Isn't that crazy? My God. Welcome to the last podcast on the left, ladies and gentlemen. My mind is blown. They're only eating three rats a week. My name is Marcus Parks. I'm here with the man that has all the croc facts, all the gator facts, Ed Larson. Yes. Yeah. Watch out for those crocodiles. Gators are bees. Crocodiles are wasps.

White Anglo-Saxon Protestants. Unfortunately, today, though, we are missing our boy Henry Zebrowski. In case you didn't know, Henry's father passed this week, so we're giving him the week off.

And instead of a new episode, what we're going to be giving you guys this week is two update episodes. We released one on Monday. That would be the infield poltergeist. And today we're going to be... You know, I don't think they did it. You don't think so? The kids? No, the ghosts. I think they're innocent.

This ghost slander has gone too far. That means that the kids did it. Yes. Goes completely against what you said in the update episode. I don't remember.

Well, I guess to explain a little bit about the update episodes, what we're doing with that. Of course, we did last update on the left as a SiriusXM exclusive all last year. But now we're able to release those episodes for free to the entire audience on our main feed. So what we're doing is we're basically when we have a week where we don't have like a last podcast classic, you know, the big, thick, mean.

Yeah, your Patty Hearst, your Batavias. Yeah, and the massive one that we've got started. We've got a big history series coming up next week that I am so fucking pumped for. We've got to start working on it. I've been more excited for anything, to be honest with you. Yeah? Yeah, this is the top banana for me. This one's such a big one. It's got so much history. It's so fucking thick, you're not going to be able to swallow it. Yeah, yeah. Lots of headshots. Yeah.

That's a little teaser. We got some head shots. It's a really good teaser. And it works in a lot of different levels, really, on this story. So on the weeks that we don't have like a big, thick media episode, we're going to give you guys an update episode to kind of fill in the gap. So thank you very much, everybody, for understanding this week. We appreciate the outpouring of support that you guys have given Henry. Henry very much appreciates it as well. Jackie as well.

And Jackie absolutely appreciates it. It's a hard time, and you never know when these things are going to happen. And so shout out to Big Henry. And in honor of you, Big Henry, we're going to talk about your most favorite thing in the world. Columbine. I don't know if it was. It might have been his favorite flower. I don't know. It could have been. If he was there to stop him, if he was the cop on campus. Yeah.

It was 1999. No cops on campus. We did. We had them. Really? Yeah. I had cops on campus the whole time. Wow. But also, like, you went to a tiny school. I went to a school of, like, 700 kids in my graduating class. Jesus. Twice the size of my town. Yeah, yeah. So that's, you know, we were huge. No, no. Rochester ISD.

in Texas did not have any cops. We had one cop in town. Actually, you know what? I take that back. We did have a cop on campus because our town's cop was also the school maintenance man. You know, you gotta have lots of jobs. Yeah, you really do. Yeah, lots of hats, but they're all covered in...

Shit. Well, enjoy this update episode, everybody, and we will be back next week with a brand new episode. Some thick history stuff. Can't fucking wait for it. But thank you very much, and we'll see you all soon. 420, please help. Yeah, call the manual. That's when the cannibalism started. Last update on the left.

That's how you want to start?

I had a whole, we had a fine bit already worked out. And you made us restart so you could turkey gobble. I'm getting ready to talk, right? Because this is going to be a serious one of these, right? Is this serious today? I mean, it's going to be serious-ish, yeah. I mean, it's Columbine. Welcome to Last Update on the Left, ladies and gentlemen. I'm Marcus Parks. I'm not happy about Columbine Henry Zebrowski. I'm Ed Larson, and Columbine is bad.

You know what? Thank you. First of all, it's just nice to set the tone up top. Yeah, yeah. Baseline Columbine was bad. The massacre. The massacre. The shooting. Not the city. The town's fine. I don't know. I've never been to the town. They're absolutely scarred, but they're fine. The flower is also fine. You know, the Columbine is the state flower of Colorado. Yes, you taught me this the other day. And I was just as fascinated then.

Yeah. As I am today. Now, I will say we covered, this is our update of our Columbine coverage from almost a decade ago. Yeah. I think maybe more than a decade ago. Getting real damn close. Isn't that crazy? It really is. Now, I remember we recorded, I was recording the Cowmen episode.

album that we released in many, many years ago, almost a decade ago. Yeah. And you guys did such a good job that nothing like this ever happened again. What was really important about what we do, what we do here as an organization is we stop crime before it begins. Yes. And that's why, as you've noticed, yeah, the, the incredible decline in mass shootings across this country, ever since we put out our episodes, but a lot of, we did get some things incorrect, which is why we've decided to update.

those episodes. So, number one, you want to go back and listen to what we talked about back there. It might help. Yeah. Because, like, I don't know if we need to recap...

The Columbine massacre. We know what happened on 420 in 1999. Man, that was my second 420. Yeah, I know. It was fucking, I was having a great time. I skipped school. By the way, all the kids, all the stoners left. They all skipped school. Of course. They weren't there, but I've skipped school. I'm fucking hanging out. I'm smoking with my boys and we put on the TV. My fucking buzz just got fucking majorly harsh. No, literally everyone's just like, I'm going home.

I'm going home. And so we now know that it was Eric Harris, Dylan Klebold. I don't think we need to go through all of the various details that we covered from back in the day. I mean, really, I read back through the script that we had. This was actually before we started doing super detailed episodes where we went through like,

point by point, blow by blow everything that happened like we just did with the Anders Breivik series where we went through the entire thing. With Columbine, we just, and this is how we sort of used to do the shows back in the day, is this like, we worked off of assumed knowledge a lot. Yeah. Where we just, you know, assumed everyone listening, like, you know what Columbine is. If you don't,

These guys, you know, it's like a paragraph and then going into like sort of like analysis of the situation, talking about what, you know, people believed at the time and what was the actual truth. And that was sort of the tack that we took with it. We based a lot of the episode not just on one book. We also used a few articles, but a lot of it was based on a book called Columbine by this guy named Dave Cullen, which is an incredible book. It's fantastically written.

And what his supposition was with the book was that, you know, Dylan Klebold was kind of a puppet of Eric Harris. Yes. Eric Harris was the aggressor. Eric Harris was a psychopath. Like he was one that was a little more handsome. Dylan Klebold was the one with the big moon face. Yeah. And that they were both ugly. They were both ugly men. Yes. But.

One has to be uglier. One has to be uglier, and Dylan Klebold is the uglier one. Yeah, definitely. But Eric Harris was a psychopath, according to Dave Collin, and that Dylan Klebold was extraordinarily depressed, and that Eric Harris kind of used Dylan Klebold as kind of a little assistant, someone to kind of cheer him up.

cheer him on while he was doing it. And Dylan Klebold was sort of a passive character, a passive character in this that just sort of went along with the whole thing. And the time when we when I read the book, like I was so I'm a mind blown because I had heard the original story.

sort of pitch about Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold. And we all sort of internalized it as a country because we were forced to. The idea that these were two misunderstood goth kids that were bullied and pushed to the point of murder. And then when Dave Cullen's book came out, that refuted that in a way that I, we all thought was,

was really closer to the truth, which I does. It does prove to still be closer to the truth, which is the idea that Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold were aggressors and were kids that, yeah, yeah, sure. They were bullied, but they were also bullies into themselves. And that Eric Harris was a little bit more of a ladies man, which is one of the corrections that we're going to get into because that's not real. But like,

certain things was like it pushed the spectrum to the other side where it wasn't just a bunch of like nerds that got pushed too far. And then it was the thing about bullying. And then also still kind of created an anti-nerd movement across the country. Anti-goth. Dude, very much so. I was in high school when this happened. I was a junior in high school. I was in student council actually when this happened.

And I remember them all sitting at the next day when I decided to come back to school and out of my stone stupor. And I remember them all sitting. I must go. The children need my leadership. Honestly, I probably said something very similar.

And I remember they had like, we had a two hour meeting with like, like cops came in and like they sat down. And this is in Boca Raton, Florida, Boca Raton, Florida. And I remember during our meeting, like they made us, we had lunch like in the classroom and like while we're doing some kid,

dressed up in a black trench coat stood up on a in the cafeteria it was like trench coat mafia motherfucker and then you know and then he later got his ass kicked by all the black kids but the uh but then but it was unfortunately a stain on the goth community of course and like and like and everyone hated the goths for a little while well let's go back and revisit some stuff well i want to revisit

A ninth grade Henry Sprowski. And then we'll get to the goths. One of the truly, honestly, one of the worst repercussions of Columbine, besides the death and this wave of anti-gothic, is that the play I was in in the ninth grade was canceled. The one that I was in. It was a play by, which is like also interesting by the,

The very talented Woody Allen called Don't Drink the Water, which is a play that we did at the time. Very appropriate. The play was canceled because there was a gunshot and a bomb in it, and it was coming out that summer, the same summer as when Columbine happened. And a little...

Truth teller by the name of Henry Zebrowski, a little too real for high school, was interviewed asking about the implications of this. Interviewed by a local news station? Tampa Bay Times. Are you serious? Yes. Now, I want to know, like, I see you've got it pulled up in front of you. How are you going, are you going to read this in ninth grade Henry Zebrowski voice? Are you going to read this in such a way as to make you sound like

I'm going to read it exactly as I was delivered. That's Jackie. That's my sister. That's Jackie. I was the president. I got to be president of the drama club. You cannot do that while being inarticulate. You were president freshman year? No, I was already being scouted.

No, so he was not president at the time. They already knew. All right. So many lies in this immediately. They got pushed right to the front. So this is like, so there's a lot of talk about here. So it was canceled. And then they decided to talk to me. So this is the quote from the actual, from the reporter, Brian Gilmer, who I don't remember, from back in the day. So this is what Henry Zebrowski said. We see basically why they did it.

I'm angry still. I poured a lot of work into the play and some of my grades suffered. It was just important to all of us. Yes, they all watched and I stood forward, they said. And then Henry Zebrowski then said the administration knew that they might be taking it too far. But they said it might be better to take it too far. And so, yeah, not only was I angry.

A warrior for the first. Not only was I a warrior for free speech, but also I reached across the aisle in a John McCain way. So even as a ninth grader, I was a maverick. Yeah. And I'm going to what I'm going to do is I'm going to read it how I'd imagine it actually sounded.

We basically see why they did it. I'm angry still. I put a lot of work into the play and some of my grades suffered. It was just important to all of us. See, I am the source. So you see now you really got to see what happens in media. Now, this is all this entire little play act that these two did because they weren't actually making fun of me. This was a play act to talk about the subjective nature of information and how it's represented by the media.

And how, like, and you really have to. He worked really hard on it. You see, again, it's about how, but then when you hear me, right, imagine American flag behind me. Norma Rae wasn't wearing a bra, standing on top of the table, going union, union. All everybody was like, that's when they were asking me to unionize. And I said, no dictatorship.

Yeah. And then I came forward and they all chose me. Because you'll see there were seniors in that play that could have been talking to the reporters. I just think your drama teacher wanted to go to Nassau that summer. It was like, oh, this seems like a great opportunity to cancel this. No, Mrs. Webster is quoted in the article talking about how she fought for us. Yeah. Wow. Mrs. Webster. How was Mrs. Webster? She we got it was we had a strange relationship. Well, yeah.

How? I've never heard this before. House. How strange. We had a strange relationship. She didn't like that you were so outgoing and cursed occasionally. Well, the thing was, is that much like an aforementioned, let's just say the former president of the United States. I was so popular. I was inevitable. Yeah.

And so the problem was that they could not stop me. They couldn't stop the train from going up the station. You're dodging the question, though. No, I'm just saying. What strange... It's exactly the reason why traditional media doesn't want to let me inside of its halls. Because what they're afraid of is that I will then change everything. Yeah. From the inside out. But that's not answering the question of what kind of strange relationship you had with Mrs. Watson? Mrs. Webster. Sometimes...

The student becomes the master. She hated you. Because you were full of yourself. No. No, no, no, no, no, no. No, we were fine. Okay. But it was weird.

It's like not interesting. It's hard to describe what our relationship was like because towards my senior year, because when I was president of the drama club and then became like, it did sort of feel like I was building sort of a little regime around me. Yeah. You know, and I think that people were getting angry. I remember I took over the talent show and then, you know, my tastes changed.

have not changed all that much right but i also had the power of the assistant principal who was on my side and then we would get together he would pull me from class so that we could coordinate because we always did be we always would do a big lip sync the popular dudes and the assistant principal would do a lip sync at the end of the talent show wow and so we'd always do like we did um in sync we did full monty which is actually now i realize that's weird we

We did Backstreet Boys. Full Monty was very popular back then. Oh, yeah, but then, like, but I danced the Full Monty stripping dance with my assistant principal. Oh, interesting. Yeah, we took our pants off. Seems illegal. You know, we did it. Yeah. Well, 1999, 2000, the turn of the millennium was a strange time for us all. It really was. I remember my drama teacher junior year pulled me aside and said, you are keeping me away from having a clean drama department. Ha ha ha! Ha ha ha!

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So when we covered the Columbine series, like I know with Dave Collins' book, like some people have a huge problem with it. I don't think it's that big of a deal. They have a huge problem with it because I think...

they want Dylan Klebold to have much more responsibility than Dave Cullen paints him out to be. Because in the time when we recorded the episode, if I remember correctly, like we sympathized with Dylan Klebold a little bit, you know, like I think, I think I, I myself said, but for the grace of God, go I, you know, with Dylan Klebold, like being a very depressed kid, being a very depressed high school kid. And, you know,

just someone like Eric Harris, if there was like a character like that, you know, scooping up a depressed kid and turning him into a killing machine. And, you know, the refutations I totally get. I totally get. I totally get because people have come out and like said, like Dylan Klebold's mother would be like, no, my son was a,

Dangerous individual. Well, that's the big difference. Yeah. Is that her book, A Mother's Reckoning, came out in 2016. We did our episodes in 2015. So it was before that included dialogue. Yeah. I also partially think the reason why people just get upset across the board because this is an extremely touchy subject. Yes. Yeah. Kids, kids killing kids makes nobody look super happy. No. It's again, not a blast. Not a lot of joke about it.

But the I think a lot of people then obviously attach super hyper emotional issues to this. And I also think that there are people that want. Unfortunately, this is my pushback. They want the nerds being pushed to the edge.

narrative to be real. They want that to be real. I think a part of the reason why people are mad about the Dave Cullen thing, it's just more that Dave Cullen pushed it all the way to the other side. And it wasn't until A Mother's Reckoning came out that we really saw her deep dive into her son's own journals and

that showed that Dylan Klebold was a lot more of an active member of the two than it was kind of shown in the beginning. Well, there wasn't a ton of push. As far as like the bully narrative goes, like there is some pushback on that. That's not a huge thing. It's not a huge thing. I'm just saying why people have the emotional reaction. You need a reason. Yes.

yeah exactly they want a reason everybody wants a reason because they said like sue talked about dylan asking like his father like what to do about younger kids that are picking on him uh and during sophomore year dylan said something to tom about like hating the jocks they don't bother me i'm six four but they sure give eric hell yeah but that's the yeah eric was a piece of shit yeah eric was a fucking asshole he was an absolute fucking dick i will not take that

off the plate. No, no. He was an asshole dickhead that technically, I'm glad he's dead. I mean, I'm glad they're both fucking dead. But the thing is that the D.E.R., Dick, they did not receive any more bullying than anybody else that was a standard fringe member of high school society. They received far less bullying than the goth kids because that was the horrible thing about it is that they were the ones who basically

Bully the goth kids. I mean, F word thrown around quite a bit at the goth kids, the actual trench coat mafia, because it all came from like, it was, it's such a dumb high school thing. One goth kid bought a black duster for Halloween costume for fucking Dracula costume. Thought it was super cool. Started wearing it to school. The other goth kids started wearing their trench coats too.

And they're like, fuck yeah, trench coat mafia, bro. The reason why Dylan and Eric wore trench coats, so they could hide their guns. Yeah. So they could carry weapons. And also because they thought it looked super cool. They didn't have anything... Like, they did at one point, like, I think Eric...

He floated, like, the idea to one of those kids. We're like, man, wouldn't it be, like, awesome if we just took guns and, like, shot up the entire fucking school? Yeah. But the kid didn't bite at all. He's like, I'm not going to do that. Yes. Yeah, because he floated it around. He was basically trying to see if there was somebody else who would bite to help him because Eric Harris was a pussy and he didn't want to do it alone. I do think that that's a big thing. He didn't want to do it alone. You wanted...

He wanted his own self-fashioned assistant. Yeah, he did. And but he groomed he did groom Dylan Klebold for it. But that's the thing. The point that is made that I think is it's a great point. And I don't think that we brought it up in the show is that, you know, he could have told somebody at any time. Dylan could have told someone at any time. Well, back then, this is like the first time this really happened. No one thought anyone would really do anything like this.

Well, there had been a lot of we've had a lot of mass shootings across the history of America, but not like this. Not kids, not kids shooting other kids in high school. I think there were except for the I hate Mondays girl. But yeah, but that was an anomaly. And it was quite a long time before that. It was the University of Texas, of course. Yeah. And that was in the 60s. Yeah. But like high school kids killing other high school kids like that was because leading up.

to the shooting, like, there was a lot of people that had reported Eric Harris to the police. Specifically this kid, I think his name was Brooks. Like, Eric Harris had, like, directly threatened this kid on his fucking website, which is probably, like, geocities.com slash south beach slash 4748. Yeah,

Like fucking he was a GeoCity site, definitely. Or Angel Fire or some shit like that. The type of websites used to code yourself. But the cops, they reported that he had been reported for making pipe bombs. He'd been reported for a lot of shit. And the cops just sat on it. They didn't. They just didn't do anything. And we saw those kids being kids and kids saying fucked up shit. And they didn't like on one hand, they're trying to their hands are in that way tied because it's like.

Now they come down on you like a pile of bricks. But back in the day, it was way more like, you know, like they weren't trying to over police the kids. They were trying to like, you know, let kids be kids. Also, no money, which we discover is a pattern with police. They never really want to get involved in a family as much as they can because of how complicated it is and how much like everybody has to go to court now.

and no one wants to deal with it. Well, that's also where the most incidents occur is in domestic situations. Yes. And a lot of times, what do they do? They're like, you must press charges. We have to separate you. So it's either like, it either goes to, there's no like,

four out of ten on domestic violence it has to either go like 10 out of 10 we're taking one of you out of the situation taking you to jail or we're like leaving we're just gonna be like all right bye you know like and so there's nothing they can do and so something like this our mistake really was painting or just fully like this idea that dylan clebold was like just some coasting

And I think it was because we may have identified with him too much. I think that we view, especially as younger men. I know I certainly did. Yeah. And as younger men, I feel like that was, it was more like you could see more of this, but as I get older, the more I separate from that, understand that like homicidal actions change everything. Yeah. You know, like, of course, but it's, it's really like that point of it being like, everybody gets bullied.

everybody gets treated like shit. I don't know. I don't know anybody who wasn't, I know the people that weren't bullied then just got like, to be frank, ugly. Everything just like grew up into some, like they were like anybody who was hot middle school, they came fucking gross piece of shit later on. Like they all turned into just Facebook blobs later on down the line. And so, but for me, I look at this and you're, I think at the time,

I thought that that made more sense. And now it does not make sense to me. Now I look at him and be like, he must have had like you. It takes two. Yeah, it does. And my understanding of things like at 41 is so much larger. I know how much more I had 31. Also, I know how much more I don't understand. Yeah, exactly. Fucking 40 versus them. Yeah.

Yeah, I mean, because at 31, you know, I was a lot closer to adolescence than I am now. Still romanticized it. Yeah, a little bit. Yeah, a little bit, and still, like, looked at that time, like, in, yeah, a little bit more like rose-colored glasses. And now...

I understand a lot more about psychopathology. I understand a lot more about the brains of these people and their, and what they do. And I have a lot less sympathy. It's just that, you know, but there was one day when, you know, just the moment it crosses over into homicidal nature, then, you know,

no fucking sympathy whatsoever. Yeah. None at all. Like, you just lose all of it the moment you do... The moment you hurt someone else, it's like, fuck it. Any form of violence, in my opinion. Yeah. You know, that's my opinion. Yeah. And there was also, you know, other shit in Cullen's book, like, you know, things that, like, because he...

Cullen made sure to say that Eric Harris was a ladies man. Yeah, that was the whole thing. He was pushing it to the other side. Yeah, he was pushing to the other side. The Eric Harris like was very actually very popular. And he pushed it. He just pushed it too far. He pushed it over like saying that like he got days all the time. But based on his journal entries, like Eric likely died a virgin. But on the other hand, like.

That doesn't just because you got a virgin doesn't mean that you weren't going on a lot of dates. I was going on a ton of dates before I lost my virginity. Oh, yeah. I think it was more so that he was an aggressive loser, like in the aggressive loser category in school. But still, girls were just saying the words that they thought he was cute. Yeah, because he was kind of a traditional, especially if you are.

If you're an elder millennial, there was a style during this time period. Like, 1999, I remember, because it was, like, right after I moved from New York to Florida. And in New York, we were all still, like, in 1989. You know what I mean? Like, it was way, like... Like, you all looked like you were in the Beastie Boys. Yes. Leather jackets and shit. You know, I had my starter jacket, my Looney Tunes, dresses, rappers. I mean, we all had that. Yeah, we had that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was very popular.

But then that kind of changed when all of a sudden I moved to Florida and it was like that Abercrombie and Fitch style. Pac-Son. All that stuff just took over. Janko jeans. Everybody. FUBU. And Eric Harris was like a really good example of the style of dude that every girl was kind of talking about at the time. As far as I was concerned, it was just like thin, spiky blonde hair, like kind of like

looks kind of like the bully from kind of a dog yeah yeah yeah like kind of a prick like people i mean i hate to say it girl like everybody at the time thought a prick was like super sexy yeah i don't know maybe i'm crazy maybe i'm wrong it was a rough time 1999 to like 2005 it's like a rough time psychologically to be a young man in society it was intense we were taught all the wrong shit yes yes we were and so eric harris i think was a just a full example of that and that

It was just more that Dylan Klebold was extremely ugly. Yeah. And Eric Harris was just kind of vaguely normal looking. And so some girls just said that he was cute. And that's where that's what he took off running with that. And then also Cullen kind of portrayed the Klebold and Harris families a little bit richer. Yeah. Than they probably were. Far more. Yeah. It's like it's fascinating.

Small factual inaccuracies. Like he would say that, you know, Klebold's mother was Jewish when Klebold's mother was, in fact, half Jewish. You know, he would say that they were wealthy when really their house was large, but it was a fixer upper with a lot of rats. Also, Columbine's a nice place. Columbine's a very, very nice place. You know, someone who came from Boca Raton, a lot of people go poor trying to live in these nice places.

Oh, of course. My parents live in a part of Florida that for when we were struggling in New York, we then moved to Florida and then it was a we moved to a nice neighborhood in Florida because we could afford it versus our bad neighborhood in New York. And then we but we were then weirdly not like the poor people.

in a very rich neighborhood. Yeah, because that was one of those sleeper Florida neighborhoods where it was filled with extremely rich people. Yeah, that same thing happened to us. I was down the street from Hulk Hogan. Oh, really? Yeah, I had Mike Tyson.

Oh, wow. Cool. He tried to bring tigers. They're like, Mike, you got to get rid of the tigers. They're magical. We know, Mike. I had a guy that everyone called Bo Deadly. Oh, really? He was weird. And when I used to ride by his house on my bike, he'd stick his dogs on me and laugh and laugh and laugh. Yeah.

I'm sorry, I'm laughing. Get him! Get him! He's mostly bones. No, I told this story before. Yeah, his son was arrested for raping his grandmother. Wow! Jesus fucking Christ. Yes. Why aren't we covering that? Ha ha ha!

No, I grew up in it. And that's the crazy thing about it is that, like, I think I grew up in, like, such a dark, weird place that, like, Columbine was a blip. Oh, yeah. Like, people barely, like, it barely registered. No one, like, everyone just kind of went like, huh. Yeah.

And then no one, but like there was no, like the school didn't address it. Nobody talked to us about it. It was not in any way whatsoever. Team of grief counselors. We did too. Yeah. They all came onto the school. I don't know why. Yeah. They were all, we're in the fucking class, you know, we're like, we look out into the fucking, I could look out the window and see a gun in like my friend's car. Like on the back on the fucking, uh, on the rack in his truck. Like you could see guns.

Seagun. Very different. Yeah, very, very different. But yeah, just barely registered. Yeah, there's just a guy with a piece of wheat in his mouth just going like, yep.

I guess they just cuddling themselves. All right, children, now sit down. Let me tell you about why we should have won the Civil War. No, it was, yeah, no one really paid much attention to it at all. I just remember I'd read about it in the paper, but nobody really talked about it. It was very bizarre. It was very strange. My play was canceled. My play. I had spent months. My schoolwork suffered.

And you know how important I took my schoolwork. Yeah, you're just finally an excuse for my D's. Honestly, it was really only Columbine. Yeah. Columbine's really fucking up my schoolwork. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

I don't think it's the difference between like going to a really small school and going to like gigantic, like you guys went to gigantic schools. Yeah, and over 700 kids in my class. Yeah, and that's 400 more people than were in my town. Yeah. 300 more. Yeah, yeah, yeah. My school's population was like your football game. No, actually, our football game would probably be something like 80 students.

shit like 80 people if if that if that many maybe a hundred i had like 45 50 kids in every class i had oh yeah dude but we had i used to regularly perform in front of like a thousand children i think about that all the time i used to do the pep rallies i was like i would do an hour yeah no no improv in front of a thousand people i had like that like 50 or 60 kids in like the entire high school

damn yeah and the whole high school yeah it was fucking nuts man it was weird and I guess maybe because everybody knew everybody else like and that's the thing even I was like the weird kid like for the pep rallies like I don't like every class got to draw their own poster and I always drew these like

crazy violent posters like just like super fucking violent and like it would be like all the rest would be like you know beat the bobcats and mine would be like decapitate the bobcats and it would be like a guy like holding a head like above him nowadays you'd have to you'd get pulled in with like there'd be like a psychiatrist yeah there there would be like the local congressman but even then like like i guess as everybody knew everybody so well like everyone's like that's just marcus

Well, Marcus is creative. He's creative. Like, you know, he likes his things. He likes his, you know, he likes his horror movies. And, you know, and I like a horror movie every once in a while. But, you know, that's just Marcus. He's fine. He's all right. You don't got to worry about Marcus. He's just got his nose in the book all the time. Yeah, and then you see the teacher, same piece of weed, just been like,

These kids all get to go to school. 17, I'm sitting down. Swamps of Dunang. Actually, I did have one teacher that was a Vietnam vet. That dude was fucked up. Oh, of course. Oh, you think homework's bad? No.

You've ever stepped in a hole and had a bamboo shoot shoot through your foot while your buddy's getting his dick bit off by a goddamn river snake while you're serving for your country and you come back and no one comes to the parade?

Well, he wasn't tough at all. He was shell-shocked. Like, he had kind of a stutter. Yeah, okay, everyone needs to just quiet down. Get real quiet. You're just being a little bit too loud. That's so much worse. That's so much worse than aggressive. It's so much worse. It was so much worse because I'd just sit there and watch him and just be like,

fuck me. Like this guy, like everyone does to him. You just see like his eyes go blank and you hear like, as he's like watching like jungles burn. No, this guy is bad.

This is the end. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. My only friend. Saigon. Shit. It's him doing the karate in front of the mirror at home. No, he's that guy that was in the scene where they show up in the fucking trench warfare and they're like, who's in charge here? And the guy goes, ain't you? Ain't you? Never get off the boat. Yeah, that was that guy's Vietnam. He did not come back tough at all. Oh, no, no. Believe me, I'm...

The culture wars we're in are going to be no different. The culture wars what? That we're in right now? We're all just veterans of the culture war, friend. You and me. You and me. Eddie, this is just a... We're front lines. Green berets. That's my Vietnam. We're in it. So one of the things that has kind of, I guess, gotten bigger since we did our episode...

As far as an update on the cultural significance of Columbine, is that we saw a large increase in Columbine fandom. Oh, yes. This was a big deal. I mean, really, I would say it started around the time that most weird things started on the internet. It was about 2012. God damn, that's just the year that everything changed. Tumblr and all of that, the idea, that's when we went full, like,

digital hive mind that was like when it was really starting to happen when we were really starting to see the secret thoughts that probably should have kept secret or kept niche you know i mean the idea of serial killer group release is not no it's not a new phenomenon no it but it is uh it got definitely super powered by the internet yeah it really did uh and like you get see like all these we used to at our old live shows when we just played exclusively videos like we'd find like

three or four like Eric Harris tribute videos. Oh, yeah. There would be like a girl talking about how cute she thought he was and how much she loved him and how she would worship him and all this shit. Like just really insane shit. Remember the homies? The girls that all started like dyeing their hair orange after James Holmes shot up the movie theater? Heath Ledger's performance was so powerful in The Dark Knight it launched a world of douchebags. Yeah.

It's wild to think just how good of an actor he, he probably would have to now like apologize for the Joker, which is really sad. He would probably have to go and be like, I'm sorry. I didn't mean to make everybody mad or crazy and talk about chaos and shit. I think he'd have more gravitas than that. I think he'd have a little, I think he'd go out and talk about it openly. I hope so. He fucking worked, did hard work on Joker. It was the best, the best comic book,

movie ever and I'm not updating that. I don't care what anybody says. People try to tell me that the Dark Knight is not the best comic book movie ever. You will not take that from me. I like dark superheroes. I mean, it's good. It's just the only thing that keeps it from being the best comic book movie ever is Christian Bale's Batman voice in that movie because it's fucking stupid. I threw a bottle cap at

You know, this man is known as the Joker. Maybe we should go and find the Joker. He's just too bad. He's a bad man. I liked it. I'm still traumatized about this play that was canceled. I am still traumatized even thinking about the assault on Arthur. You should bring this Woody Allen play back. I think that's the key. Now's the time. Because you know what really no one's talking about here is how does Woody Allen come back? Yeah.

How does he come back? Because think about how he felt after Columbine. He loves kids. I'm so worried about him. He loved them. But you know, it is crazy how they all ended up being right about Marilyn Manson. Yeah. But he didn't. His music didn't drive violence. No. The man himself is a bad man. Yes. The man himself is a fucking horrible human being. Yeah. Also Boca Raton.

Yeah. You know what it is too about Marilyn Manson. He's from Boca? He would be there a lot. One of his family members. I used to see him at Borders all the time. He used to be there all the time. I remember my buddy went up to him and just been like, hey, uh,

you Marilyn Manson? And he's like, full Marilyn Manson. And I'm like, oh yeah. No, he was just like, no. And then he's like, you're Marilyn Manson. And he's just like, no, I'm not. Yeah, yeah, don't look at me. Giant platform shoe. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, yeah, the white contact, the black contact. He's the only guy but since Lewis Carroll to get fat on absinthe. He drinks so much absinthe. Guy from North Lane.

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No, of course. Yeah, I mean, that was the shitty thing about Columbine, too, is that before we get back to the groupies... One of the only shitty things! Yeah, well, it was just how much people blamed, like, video games, violent movies, you know, all the music, all that bullshit. Like, it was fucking... It was stupid. Actually, Eric Harris' favorite band wasn't Marilyn Manson. He loved KMFDM.

Who are they again? Industrial. KMFDM's fucking sick. You like KMFDM? I love KMFDM. Do you think I'd like them? Yes. I like Nine Inch Nails. You would love KMFDM. Do you like Ministry? Yeah. Yeah. I'll give you some KMFDM. Okay, yeah. I want to get in my industrial phase. Oh, you'll love it. Hey. Hey. What?

Okay. Hey, I'm sold. That really, that is a good hit. I'm sold. You're sold. You'd love it. You would absolutely fucking love it. So let's get back to these groupies for just a second. I want to talk about one called Sol Pais. Oh.

This is very recent. In mid-April 2019, a woman named Sol Pais, who was infatuated with Columbine, traveled from Miami to Denver with a one-way ticket and purchased a pump-action shotgun and ammunition. She purchased the shotgun legally at the Colorado gum broker, according to a post on the company's Facebook page. The company's name is Sol Pais.

The gun shop is less than two miles away from Columbine High School, and she passed all background checks to legally purchase a firearm in Colorado. Colorado's had a lot of crazy shootings. Oh, yeah. But isn't that the place where you just have to do the alphabet backwards? Isn't it one of those? Like, how do you get a gun there by basically naming your favorite Sesame Street character? And if it's right, you get it, right? If it's anything but Snuffleupagus, then you get a gun. Yeah. I mean, Snuffleupagus, I still...

were talking about how if big bird died in the challenger snuffleupagus would probably have more of a place in pop culture because he would be so sad because he'd be next his sad oh oh i thought you meant that his sadness would catch on no it's because he's next in line he's no he's fredo no oscar the grouch is next in line snuffleupagus is fredo this isn't real

What are we doing? He's not real. He's on the show. No, if anything, no, Snuffleupagus, I don't even think is in the top five. You can't kill what doesn't exist. I don't know. I don't know. Cancer culture. I don't know. Ask John Hinkley Jr. Do you see his dates getting killed everywhere? Yeah. That's a culture. Doing it to him. Can you believe?

He's doing fine. I actually don't think he is. He's out of prison. He shot a president. He's fine. Cancel culture. Claims another victim. Pais had previously made comments about Columbine to friends and family members and had posted her thoughts about the massacre to online forums. According to officials, Pais had made credible but not specific threats before and after traveling from Miami to Denver.

She also raised suspicions by purchasing a one-way plane ticket for April 15th, 16th, and 17th. Police in Florida contacted the Miami FBI office, which alerted the Denver office. Pais allegedly had a website in which she scanned handwritten journal entries talking about the massacre, the Columbine massacre.

According to a CNN article, she scanned her own handwritten journal. She scanned her own handwritten journals and point of writing it by hand. You know, I don't like how fucked up this is because that's such a that's a tell. That's a look into her mental space.

Yeah. Well, it's also a look into how lazy she is. Very much so. Because you should just type. That's what I do quite often with writing is that I handwrite it first and then I type it up. And that helps you edit. That's an edit round. Yeah. She never learned home row. No. No. What's home row? The middle of the keyboard. Oh. You think she was a tap, tap, tap, one finger at a time? That's how I tap. I got fast one fingers. Yeah.

You really type? No, but I don't do full official good typing, but I mostly use these two fingers. Oh, no. I use my wife fingers. Your wife fingers? I don't know. Yeah, it's fingering fingers. Thank God she doesn't have Sirius. If you do download the Sirius app and you're hearing this, my beautiful wife Natalie, I love you. I had a dream last night that your wife left you.

For who? Just because you didn't want to be with him anymore. And you were living in this fucking horrible hotel, this really weird hotel. It was like on the beach. Nothing's been the same since that play got canceled. LAUGHTER

Nothing's been the same. How is this episode so funny? It shouldn't be. Yeah, and me and Carolina had to, like... You were so sad that me and Carolina were, like, bringing you groceries...

And, you know, we were driving this weird Volkswagen bug. You better do this and understand that that's what you're going to be doing. But it was also 1978. That was the fun thing about it. Yeah. And yeah, you were living on the beach. Send an Instacart. Yeah. No, no, no. We had to come bring it to you in our Volkswagen Beetle. That's incredible. Yeah. Which is Ted Bundy's car. Yeah. Interesting. Same time period. Interesting. How interesting. You dream in the past? Yeah. Yeah.

That's crazy. That's never happened to me. I've never been like, oh, look, it's 1952. You know, that's crazy. He's also been researching Cannes for six weeks. And I feel like that also helps that he's been mentally in 1978. 1968 to 1974. I don't

care. I do care. I can't. Not enough to be correct. But yeah, and then suddenly, oh man, do you guys ever have that thing in your dream? Do you get like really, really, really loud knocks in the dream and it jolts you awake and scares the shit out of you? I'm always tripping and falling and I wake up and I'm falling. No, just the dream was going on like regularly and then I just heard like and then I just fucking got up out and I thought that there was someone like outside my window but there was nothing in there. There was just really loud knocks in my mind. Maybe it was Bill Wilkins.

Oh, fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Shit off. Henry's wife couldn't leave him. You need to be mentally prepared for when she leaves. Tell me. Why is it Bill telling me? Don't tell him. Tell me. You have to take care of him for a while. Talk with her. Bill, you tell her.

So back to Pais. According to a CNN article, some of the journals are barely legible, sometimes because of the handwriting, other times because of the scanning.

There are a number of crude drawings of weapons from long rifles to handguns and knives. One drawing has a trench coat figure holding an apparent weapon. That's why she scanned him because if you don't scan him, you don't get the illustrations. You don't get the illustrations. I understand. I remember I read the Kurt Cobain diary book. Yeah. That was horrible. Yeah. No, I don't...

I mean, we're going to do a revisit on Kurt Cobain in the future, but I would never. I don't get why they publish like the personal journals. Oh, pure just. It feels so fucking gross. Did you not like Montage of Heck? I didn't. I didn't want to watch it because it just felt too gross. Yes. You did? Yeah. And I don't even care for Nirvana. There was a better. You don't care for Nirvana? Too loud. Let's not do this here, Mark.

because let's just not do this here. We can't. Not right now. He's allowed to do whatever he says. I like the Unplugged album. It's the end of the day. Ed's a music buddy. I greatly respect Ed's taste. I respect his opinions about music. I'm never going to argue with him and tell him he's wrong. It's just a little surprising. Yeah, I like to watch him live when he's in the dress. Do you like Alice in Chains?

They're much better. I like them a lot more than I like Nirvana. Interesting. That's an opinion that takes true maturity. Well, I mean, the first three albums. After that, it's not very good. They're unplugged. I like more than Nirvana's unplugged. He's got a beautiful voice. And even though he was barely functional during that unplugged. You know, I would say, but what you probably like then is that you would say, I would say that Nirvana's too intense for you.

We've really finally hit 1999. I think that it's important for you guys to know as listeners, we've just taken you back to what it was like to be there in 1999. Yeah, exactly. I'm more Soundgarden than Mudhoney. Oh, okay. Well, I'm also more Soundgarden than Mudhoney. Good for you. Thank you.

Well, most of the entries, the individual rambles about feeling like they did not belong in this world or lived in a different dimension. Oh, yeah, yeah, sure. Oftentimes they would quote song lyrics. One message on the website offered a dark insight into its potential purpose.

The purpose of this site is for me to give insight into the thoughts I rarely, if ever, share with others, while remaining somewhat anonymous. One of the messages on its homepage read, Everything from journal entries to my personal entries. I want to leave a record of myself before I, well, dot, dot, dot. I hate. Before I, well. I hate that so much. I hate drama queens. It's like, just...

If you're going to kill me, do it. Don't make a Facebook post. Just shoot me in the head. If that's what we've got to do, I don't need to hear all your fucking, your vamping. Come on, just get it over with. Yeah. Now, I wonder what the song lyrics were. I got to look this up. I am made of a box. Round in my shit. Oh, my God.

Cole Chamber. Oh, yeah. Me loco. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Me loco. Dude, I fucking love Cole Chamber back in the day. Yeah. You know, Cole Chamber broke up in Lubbock. Really? On stage. Whoa. You would have loved this lady. Yeah, I didn't. I fucking couldn't make the show. I was a big Cole Chamber fan back then. You know, I really loved nu metal. Yeah. And I couldn't make it to the show that night. And my buddy Nixon, like, fucking talked to me the next day. He's like, bro, you should have gone to the fucking show. They fucking broke up on stage.

Oh, man. I remember the bass player was very attractive. Very much so, yes. Dude, this is a fucking elder millennial zone. I don't give a fuck about your super fucking ass. This is the fucking real shit straight from the dome of a bunch of dudes that need blood thinners. Oh, yeah. You don't know what that fucking shit was like, dude. Big truck. Ha ha.

Big truck. Big truck. Yeah. It's like written by a four-year-old. This woman thought that it was her catcher in the rye. Big truck. Big truck.

Big Junk. That's the whole song. It's great. It is. It's really fun. And that cover was really fun, too. It's like the guy in the ice cream truck. Oh, I loved it. Really fun. Yeah. You know what really turned me on? I saw them on the second stage at OzFest. Yeah. It was a very dangerous mosh pit. One of the most dangerous I ever saw. There was a skinhead with a knife between his fingers, and he was slicing people up. And then some big-ass dude just came by and clocked him and knocked him unconscious. It was wild.

Jackie and I went to go see Billy Joel at MSG. I also loved it. You remember when we went to see Bob Seger and we all sat? Oh, my God. That was my favorite. That was amazing. No, man. There were some fucking great mosh pits. Like Slipknot was an incredible mosh pit. We have lost...

the plot here. We gotta get back. These guys loved cold chambers. Well, they're fucking dead now. They're all dead. I would say they died right as Slipknot's first album was coming out. They would have loved them. I think it was 99 with Slipknot, maybe 2000. They would have loved Iowa.

They would have loved it. Well, 19 school districts, including Jefferson County, where Columbine is located, closed while police searched for the woman. She was found dead near the base of Mount Evans on April 17th, 2019. That was...

three days before the anniversary of Columbine of a self-inflicted gunshot wound. Her body was found at the rest house trail near the Echo Lake Lodge in Idaho Springs, Colorado, approximately an hour away from Middleton, where Columbine is located. It's actually really sad in a way that she committed suicide, but also I'm glad she did that instead of killing other people. Yes. She killed herself with a shotgun? Yeah. Yeah.

Damn. Yeah. Yeah, dude. Fucking crazy. Same thing with, did you research about how Cagney Lynn Carter, the porn actress also, she did the same thing. Damn. Yeah, shotgun in the mouth. Not good. Jeez. Is that a bummer? Cagney Lynn Carter? Yeah, I was a fan. Kurt Cobain. Here we go. Full circle. I was a fan. I like to work.

She seemed like a nice lady. She just seems like it was sad. It seems like porn is horrible. It's been like porn and wrestling. That's a lot of business. Yeah, it does bad things to people's brains. She looks like Casey Anthony. That's why I liked her. Not necessarily. Well, no, she's blonde. She looks a lot like Casey Anthony. When I worked at the Village Courthouse. I don't think she looks like Casey Anthony. Take another look. Yeah.

I don't think she looks like Casey. Well, that's with her with brown hair. I had a when I worked at the Village Poorhouse at a bartender that looked exactly like Casey Anthony when she was going out drinking all the time and the picture started showing up. And then I was like, oh, my God, Meredith, what are you doing in Florida? Yeah. And then just like, oh, my God.

poor house. One day we're talking about 420 and I'm like, oh, you know, like the thing about 420 is, you know, in Columbine, all the kids who smoke weed, they all survive because they skip school. Yeah. And then one of the bartenders ran to the bathroom crying. I was like, what happened? They're like, she was at Columbine. Goal. Her friends died. Yeah, cool. Thank you. I was like, I'm sorry.

I'm sorry. I'm like this. I don't know what else to do about it. I wish I was different. You know how many times I've said that exact yelling statement? I wish I wasn't this man sometimes too. Yeah, me too. Actually, it was like three days ago that I was like,

God, I wish I wasn't like this. I'm like talking to my wife on the couch. I'm just like, I wish I wasn't like this. I wish this wasn't my brain. I wish I wasn't like this. I wish I was something else. But you know what? That's what's putting food on the table, brother. It is. You're right. That fucking dark little being of yours, all the torment you put yourself through every single day, even in your dreams. You are...

Or a podcaster. And yeah, that might not sound like much of a title to a lot of people. It really doesn't, especially the HVAC guy that asked me today what I did for a living and I told him and he didn't know what it was. But you know what? For people that do know they like that.

By the way, I got a good HVAC guy for you. Oh, yeah, good. Great. No, I need a guy who knows how to suck. You can't trust those guys. Yeah, he's anti-HVAC, but I abstract people. I know they're very helpful, but I've caught them napping before.

They do whatever they want. Well, the first one that I got, we'll talk about it after the show. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'll tell you all my HVAC adventures and why I like this new guy. This entire episode needs to be called like an elder millennials event. You know what I mean? Like us just discussing things. Yeah. Time period. Because what is really the update to Columbine? I made a bad joke and made a bartender upset. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's not like we look backwards.

on Columbine and now we're like, actually, it's pretty funny. You know what I mean? Like, it was bad. It was more so like understanding that Dave Cullen's book, to wrap it all up, Dave Cullen's book was not the be-all end-all source. No. We used it at the time because we didn't really understand. But now that we have other views in, I still don't think it's

that much different. It's not. But I do want to acknowledge that, like, yes, like, we understand that Dave Cullen's book had a firm perspective and we just kind of went with the perspective. We're like, nothing is as simple as anything wants anybody wants it to be. Everybody wants a simple explanation. Yeah.

But Dave Cullen's work on like the cover up of the police, you know, them covering up all the things they missed. That was great. Like how old the myths of Columbine were created. All of that was like that solid fucking information. Like the girl who said yes, like how that myth was created and how like the pieces of shit perpetrated that myth, you know, like made the girl who,

actually said yes, made her feel like shit and told her she was a liar and all that. Like Cullen did a lot of really great work in that book. Yes. It's just that he had a story that he wanted to tell and he skewed the narrative of like Dylan Klebold, who he was as a person. He skewed it towards that narrative.

And that's his prerogative. You know, that's fucking nonfiction writers do that all the time. And, you know, I guess decide for yourself whether that negates everything that he wrote. I don't believe it does. I believe that he made a bad narrative decision as a writer, but that's it. I, you know, it's, it's important that I,

When we do our research on Last Podcast and Left, like, we really do consider many views on the subject. We try to get, like, a stereo version as much as we can. Yeah. But it's also, we are using sources. And so every source, no matter what you do, you're not going to escape bias. It's not going to happen. But knowing now, as older people who've been doing this longer, like...

The way to do it is to put three conflating and, and literally conflicting views together and see where they line up. And then also, what do you know about humanity, which is why it's important for me. That's why, you know, when I get my diamonds delivered, I go out to the guy to the car and,

I don't want him to have to walk all the way through the security gates and the moat when he gets to my house. I walk out. Yeah, I go out to him because, like, I want him to see the guy who's getting the Rolex jockstrap. I want him to see that guy. Can I ask a hypothetical before we go? Sure.

Columbine doesn't happen. Do all these other spree shootings happen still? Yes. You think so? Absolutely. Why is America headed that way? The internet. The internet? The internet is fucking with us in ways that we will not understand for another 50 years. And no proper mental health infrastructure. There's no wherefore. There's no, like...

America is just gotten a little crazy and we got no place to go if you are a dangerous person, but you have yet to commit a crime, but you know, you're kind of on a way to do it. Like, you know, like there's no way to sort of like track and flag when someone's been talking about this behavior, even though there's probably many ways we could do it.

They, you know, like we just saw it happen with that Ethan Crumbly with the two parents that essentially they both were the first time ever you had a mom that got convicted of manslaughter for like helping the kid, basically buying the gun for the kid that went and shot up a bunch of people. Yeah. Like I, it's,

We're just in a weird place. The reason why we blame the Internet is just because the human brain just seems like it's not supposed to handle this many points of view at once. And it drives people crazy. There's also no media literacy. Nobody knows how to fucking read a newspaper or understand that the Internet, your algorithm is only built to your specifications. So they think that the computer is talking directly to them and it's saying the truth. But, you know, Adam Lonza, he wasn't on the fucking Internet.

a whole bunch. Like there's not, some of these guys are definitely outliers, of course, but I think it's, it's,

I don't know if we're going to understand the mass shooter phenomenon for a long time. It has to kind of stop for a while. You know what I mean? Like in order for us to look back on it, it has to kind of, we need a break and then we can look back on all the data. Well, it's the, it's the guy I've been reading this fucking incredible book by David Mitchell. He was the dude, he was Mark Corrigan in peep show. Okay. He recently wrote a history book about like the history of British rulers. That's fucking incredible. It's so good.

But he talked about like the, you know, Dan Carlin talks about the great men theory of history. The other side of that that kind of refutes the great man theory of history is the trend theory of history is that these things happen no matter what. That's just, you know, if it wasn't William the Conqueror in 1066, it would have been somebody else. Yeah, Randy. Yeah. Yeah.

who united England. It might have happened a couple of years before or a couple of years after, but eventually like just the trends come and that's just how, that's just how history works. Like it's just waves that we can't, we can't, things just fucking happen. Like things just happen.

and we can't do anything about it and that's just the way history is. It's like more of a chaos theory type of way of looking at it than it is like a prime mover way of looking at it. So who knows? It's probably a mixture of the fucking two. It's probably a mixture of both, yeah. And going back to what you're saying about the internet and social media having such a big influence on it, one of my best friends in the world, he's a teacher down in his school very close to Parkland, next town over. And when all that shit went down, it's the next day he's talking to his students and they're just, you know,

The curriculum goes out the window. And he's just like, you know, why do you think, you know, as students, as peers, like, why do you think stuff like this keeps happening? And every kid in the class said it's because of social media. It's because of the Internet. And then he's like, do you think we should get rid of it? And every kid said no. Yeah, because they know how to get out of it. They're addicted to it. They're literally addicted to it. But hopefully we're getting there. And then, you know.

Even though the sun is conscious, we know for a fact that the sun can think. Right? I've been seeing this around so many fucking places now. Fucking just send the sun flare. Let's just do it. It might hurt the podcast for a while, but guess what? We're going to take the podcast on the road and do it with megaphones live everywhere across the country. So guess what? It might help. It might be fun.

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