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Sarah Guo: 我在Greylock工作十年后创立了Conviction风险投资基金。我们认为AI技术革命将带来巨大的经济机遇,市场动态变化为我们提供了以第一性原理进行投资,寻找具有颠覆性潜力的公司和创始人的机会。我们投资的公司涵盖基础设施、基础模型、替代架构、特定领域训练和应用等多个领域。两年来,我们见证了AI领域的快速发展,并对未来趋势进行了一些预测。 我们观察到,应用层存在巨大的创新空间,模型选择、价格竞争和开源生态系统的发展都为创业公司提供了机会。测试时间扩展也使得用户价值与计算成本的匹配更加有效。AI技术能够改变传统上被认为难以投资的市场,例如法律、医疗保健等领域。AI技术为消费者市场和社会媒体领域带来了新的机遇,并且可以改变软件服务的商业模式,增加软件需求。大型企业虽然拥有分销渠道和数据优势,但其固有的产品和商业模式也可能成为其劣势,为创业公司提供了机会。许多公司缺乏创业公司真正需要的数据,例如推理轨迹数据。AI领域正在发生深刻变革,为创业公司提供了前所未有的机遇,市场机会多样化,商业模式也需要创新。AI创业公司发展迅速,但也面临着挑战,例如规模化和可持续性问题。一些公司可能快速发展,但也可能迅速衰落,这取决于其产品的可持续性和竞争力。AI创业公司对资金的需求各不相同,有些公司能够保持高效运营,有些则需要更多资金。许多公司规模保持相对较小,并通过AI技术提高效率。由于AI领域存在大量机会,投资策略也需要调整,例如通过Embed项目与更多公司合作。我们认为,未来几年将涌现更多面向消费者的AI公司。 Pranav Reddy: 2024年,基础模型领域的竞争比2023年更加激烈,OpenAI的市场份额下降,谷歌等公司以及开源模型的竞争力增强,这体现在模型评估结果和实际市场份额数据上。开源模型的竞争力日益增强,在数学、指令遵循和对抗鲁棒性等方面表现出色,并且小型模型的性能与大型模型的差距正在缩小。人工智能的成本显著下降,这使得可以使用更大的数据量进行模型训练和应用。新的模态(如生物学、语音和代码执行)开始发挥作用,并带来新的用户交互体验。虽然单纯的规模扩大可能存在局限性,但新的扩展范式正在出现,例如测试时间计算扩展,这为AI创业公司带来了新的机遇和挑战。在一些基准测试中,模型的性能已经取得了显著进步,例如SweBench。视频生成技术也取得了显著进展,例如Sora和HeyGen等公司在视频生成和配音方面取得的成果。第一波服务自动化领域存在巨大的市场机会,因为许多公司目前无法有效地完成某些工作。改进搜索和信息获取方式是另一个有潜力的方向,文本模态已经取得了成功,但未来可能会有更多新的信息形式出现。AI正在帮助人们更容易地获得创造性和技术技能,并为更多的人群带来了机会。计算和数据是AI发展的关键基础设施,并且对数据需求也在发生变化。应用层存在巨大的创新空间,并且模型选择、价格竞争和开源生态系统的发展都为创业公司提供了机会。测试时间扩展也使得用户价值与计算成本的匹配更加有效。关于创业公司和大型企业谁将获得更多价值的问题存在争议。企业级市场对多模态AI的需求相对较低,但未来随着信息获取方式的变化,这种情况可能会改变。AI技术能够改变传统上被认为难以投资的市场,例如法律、医疗保健等领域。AI技术为消费者市场和社会媒体领域带来了新的机遇,并且可以改变软件服务的商业模式,增加软件需求。大型企业虽然拥有分销渠道和数据优势,但其固有的产品和商业模式也可能成为其劣势,为创业公司提供了机会。许多公司缺乏创业公司真正需要的数据,例如推理轨迹数据。AI领域正在发生深刻变革,为创业公司提供了前所未有的机遇,市场机会多样化,商业模式也需要创新。AI创业公司发展迅速,但也面临着挑战,例如规模化和可持续性问题。一些公司可能快速发展,但也可能迅速衰落,这取决于其产品的可持续性和竞争力。AI创业公司对资金的需求各不相同,有些公司能够保持高效运营,有些则需要更多资金。许多公司规模保持相对较小,并通过AI技术提高效率。由于AI领域存在大量机会,投资策略也需要调整,例如通过Embed项目与更多公司合作。我们认为,未来几年将涌现更多面向消费者的AI公司。

Deep Dive

Key Insights

What are the top five themes in AI startups in 2024 according to Sarah Guo and Pranav Reddy?

The top five themes in AI startups in 2024 are: 1) A closer race in foundation models, with OpenAI no longer dominating as it did in 2023. 2) Open-source models becoming increasingly competitive, especially in areas like math and instruction following. 3) The price of intelligence dropping significantly, with OpenAI's API costs decreasing by 80-85%. 4) New modalities like biology, voice, and video beginning to work effectively. 5) The debate around the end of scaling, with new paradigms like test-time compute scaling emerging.

Why has the competitive landscape for foundation models shifted in 2024?

The competitive landscape for foundation models has shifted because OpenAI is no longer the clear leader. In 2023, OpenAI models were significantly better than others, but by 2024, proprietary and open-source models have become increasingly competitive. For example, Google's models are now outperforming OpenAI in some evaluations, and open-source models like LLAMA are among the top performers in specific areas like math and adversarial robustness.

How has the cost of AI intelligence changed in 2024?

The cost of AI intelligence has dropped dramatically in 2024, with OpenAI's flagship model API costs decreasing by 80-85% over the past year and a half. This trend is not limited to OpenAI; across the industry, the price per token for AI models has significantly decreased, making it more affordable for companies to leverage AI capabilities at scale.

What new modalities in AI are showing promise in 2024?

New modalities in AI showing promise in 2024 include biology, voice, and video. For example, Chai Discovery released an open-source biology model that outperforms AlphaFold3. Low-latency voice models are creating new interaction experiences, and video models like Sora and HeyGen are enabling advanced capabilities such as lip-syncing and dubbing for live speeches.

What is the current state of open-source AI models in 2024?

Open-source AI models have become increasingly competitive in 2024, particularly in areas like math, instruction following, and adversarial robustness. Models like LLAMA are now among the top performers in these domains. However, there are still areas, such as agenting and tool use, where proprietary models maintain an advantage due to more specialized training and data.

What are the key trends in AI startup funding in 2024?

In 2024, AI startup funding has seen a substantial recovery, with foundation model labs raising upwards of $30-40 billion. However, the broader funding environment remains rational, with most money going to companies demonstrating real traction and growth. The narrative of an AI bubble is largely debunked, as startups are raising funds based on actual outcomes rather than hype.

How are startups addressing the challenge of competing with incumbents in AI?

Startups are addressing the challenge of competing with incumbents by focusing on better products, innovative business models, and leveraging AI to create new user experiences. Incumbents may have distribution and data advantages, but startups are finding success by rethinking workflows, offering outcomes-based pricing, and building products that are more efficient and user-friendly than traditional solutions.

What are the emerging opportunities in AI for startups in 2024?

Emerging opportunities for AI startups in 2024 include first-wave service automation, better search and productivity tools, democratization of creative and technical skills, and enabling layers like compute and data. Startups are also exploring new markets traditionally considered difficult for venture capital, such as legal, healthcare, and education, by leveraging AI to make capabilities cheaper and more accessible.

How is the debate around scaling in AI models evolving in 2024?

The debate around scaling in AI models is evolving with the recognition that there are limits to the benefits of increasing scale. However, new paradigms like test-time compute scaling are emerging, where models can dynamically allocate compute resources based on the complexity of tasks. This approach is particularly effective in well-constrained domains like math and physics, but challenges remain in less-defined areas.

What is the role of open-source models in the AI ecosystem in 2024?

Open-source models play a significant role in the AI ecosystem in 2024 by providing competitive alternatives to proprietary models. They are particularly effective in specific domains like math and instruction following, and they contribute to lowering the cost of intelligence. Open-source models also enable startups to experiment and innovate without the high upfront costs associated with proprietary solutions.

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This chapter explores the key advancements in AI during 2024, focusing on the increased competitiveness of foundation models, the rise of open-source models, the reduction in the price of intelligence, and the emergence of new modalities like biology, voice, and video.
  • OpenAI's dominance decreased, with Google's models becoming increasingly competitive.
  • Open-source models showed significant improvements in various areas.
  • The cost of using flagship OpenAI models decreased by approximately 80-85%.
  • New modalities like biology, voice, and video are showing promising results.

Shownotes Transcript

Happy holidays! We’ll be sharing snippets from *Latent Space LIVE!)* through the break bringing you the best of 2024 from friends of the pod!

For NeurIPS last year) we did our standard conference podcast coverage interviewing selected papers (that we have now also done for ICLR) and ICML)), however we felt that we could be doing more to help AI Engineers 1) get more industry-relevant content, and 2) recap 2024 year in review from experts. As a result, we organized the first Latent Space LIVE!, our first in person miniconference, at NeurIPS 2024 in Vancouver.

For our opening keynote, we could think of no one better to cover 'The State of AI Startups' than our friend Sarah Guo (AI superinvestor), founder of Conviction, host of No Priors!) and Pranav Reddy (Conviction partner) to share their takes on how the AI landscape evolved in 2024 examine the evolving AI landscape and what it means for startups, enterprises, and the industry as a whole! They completely understood the assignment).

Recorded live with 200+ in-person and 2200+ online attendees at NeurIPS 2024, this keynote kicks off our mini-conference series exploring different domains of AI development in 2024. Enjoy!

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Sarh Guo: https://x.com/saranormous)

Pranav Reddy: https://x.com/prnvrdy)

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