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cover of episode How have I been complicit in creating the conditions I say I don’t want? | Jerry Colonna (CEO of Reboot, executive coach, former VC)

How have I been complicit in creating the conditions I say I don’t want? | Jerry Colonna (CEO of Reboot, executive coach, former VC)

2025/5/8
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Jerry Colonna: 我经常问自己一个问题:‘我如何参与创造了我并不想要的环境?’。这个问题的目的是为了唤醒我们自身的能动性,让我们意识到自身行为与所处环境之间的关系。它并非要责备我们,而是帮助我们打破自我欺骗,提升自我认知。例如,我们常常抱怨自己太忙,但实际上,我们可能潜意识里享受这种忙碌带来的安全感。通过激进的自我反思,我们可以找到更健康的方式来应对负面情绪,从而提升领导力与韧性。 我的领导力公式是:实用技能 + 激进的自我反思 + 共享经验 = 提升领导力与韧性。激进的自我反思意味着要打破社会习俗的束缚,敢于质疑自身行为背后的动机。它需要我们不断地追问自己,挖掘自身深处的动机和想法,例如:‘我有什么话没有说出来?’‘我说了什么话没有被听到?’‘别人说了什么话我没有听到?’这些问题能够帮助我们更好地理解自身需求和与他人的关系。 共享经验是指在安全和信任的环境中,与他人分享内心感受和想法。在这样的环境中,我们可以打破自我欺骗,在真实的环境中与他人建立联系,从而提升自我认知和领导力。 我们常常害怕进行自我反思,是因为担心这会带来生活上的巨大改变。但逃避问题并不能解决问题,反而会加剧焦虑和痛苦。我们需要直面内心的恐惧和不安,并找到健康的方式来应对。 人们常常认为成功等于幸福,但这是一种错误的观念。真正的幸福在于提升意识,而非盲目追求物质或地位。我们需要不断地追问自己,挖掘自身深处的动机和想法,从而找到人生的意义和目标。 对于团队合作,团队失败的根本原因往往是团队成员未能解决自身内心的问题。团队成员会不自觉地将自身内心的问题投射到团队中,导致团队合作失败。要打造高效的团队,团队成员需要进行自我反思,解决自身内心的问题。领导者有责任进行自我反思,解决自身内心的问题,才能带领团队取得成功。 面对AI带来的焦虑,我们需要重新思考自身在社会中的角色和价值。AI技术能够帮助我们更好地专注于人际关系和创造性工作,提升我们的技能。 ‘成长型思维’的概念本身没有问题,但我们需要避免将其僵化。我们需要保持灵活性和开放性,不断地学习和成长。 思考遗产和人生目标,能够帮助我们更好地理解人生的意义。我们需要思考我们希望后人如何看待自己,以及我们如何为世界做出贡献。 Lenny Rachitsky: 我个人也深受忙碌感的困扰,虽然我尝试减少工作量,但总是不知不觉地承担更多任务。这种忙碌感可能源于对自我价值的焦虑,而非真正的忙碌。当我取得成功时,我会感到快乐和满足;但当我停滞不前时,我会感到焦虑和不安,担心一切都会崩溃。这种焦虑感源于我对成功的执着,以及对自我价值的怀疑。 将工作视为艺术项目,而非单纯追求成功,可以帮助我们摆脱对结果的焦虑。专注于自身感兴趣的事情,而非单纯追求经济利益,才能获得真正的满足感。 放下对成功的执着,并不意味着放弃努力,而是要保持内心的平静和专注。我们需要学会接纳不完美的自己,才能获得真正的平静和快乐。 团队合作失败的根本原因往往是团队成员未能解决自身内心的问题。领导者有责任进行自我反思,解决自身内心的问题,才能带领团队取得成功。 面对AI带来的焦虑,我们需要重新思考自身在社会中的角色和价值。AI技术能够帮助我们更好地专注于人际关系和创造性工作,提升我们的技能。

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Jerry Colonna is a world-renowned executive coach, a former venture capitalist, and the co-founder and CEO of Reboot, an executive coaching firm that combines practical leadership development with deeper self-inquiry. With over 27 years of coaching experience, he has guided countless leaders through the challenges of scaling companies, building teams, and navigating the emotional complexities of leadership. Known for his radical-self-inquiry approach, Jerry helps leaders uncover the unconscious patterns that hold them back and empowers them to lead with authenticity, compassion, and clarity.

In our conversation, we cover:

  1. A powerful question that unlocks self-awareness: “How have I been complicit in creating the conditions I say I don’t want?”

  2. Jerry’s foundational equation for leadership success: practical skills + radical self-inquiry + shared experiences = enhanced leadership and resilience

  3. Why teams most often fail (hint: it’s not lack of talent or strategy)

  4. How busyness often masks deeper issues of self-worth

  5. Why a “growth mindset” can be problematic

  6. The importance of legacy and what it means to live a meaningful life

  7. The role of AI in self-inquiry and how tools like ChatGPT can help uncover blind spots

  8. Jerry’s advice for navigating the unsettling rise of AI and its implications for leadership and humanity

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Where to find Jerry Colonna:

• X: https://x.com/jerrycolonna)

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jerry-colonna-reboot/)

• Website: https://reunion.reboot.io/)

Where to find Lenny:

• Newsletter: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com)

• X: https://twitter.com/lennysan)

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lennyrachitsky/)

In this episode, we cover:

(00:00) Introduction to Jerry Colonna

(04:12) Jerry’s key question

(06:55) The equation for great leadership

(09:37) The big lie of success and happiness

(12:12) The consciousness hack

(15:56) Getting over the fear of consequences

(20:23) The problem with bypassing our childhood baggage

(23:22) Radical self-inquiry: asking the tough questions

(27:05) Shared experiences: the power of community

(30:25) The trap of busyness and attachment

(40:45) Understanding our own intentions

(46:58) Legacy and purpose

(55:43) Writing for self-discovery

(57:12) The impact of AI on humanity

(01:05:00) Turning a growth mindset into a fixed mindset

(01:11:30) The role of radical self-inquiry in leadership

(01:19:24) Final thoughts and reflections

Referenced:

• Naropa University: https://www.naropa.edu/)

• Fitler Club: https://fitlerclub.com)

• Chris Fralic on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chrisfralic/)

• Will Smith on the price of fame: ‘I have been deeply humbled and deeply inspired’: https://www.today.com/popculture/news/will-smith-fame-rcna127830)

• Seth Godin’s best tactics for building remarkable products, strategies, brands, and more: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/seth-godins-tactics-for-building-remarkable-products)

• The life of Buddha: https://www.britannica.com/summary/Buddha-founder-of-Buddhism)

• 10% Happier with Dan Harris podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/10-happier-with-dan-harris/id1087147821)

• Simon Sinek’s website: https://simonsinek.com/)

• Mike Tyson Gives Morbid Response to Young Interviewer’s Question About His “Legacy”: https://www.vibe.com/news/entertainment/mike-tyson-morbid-response-young-interviewer-legacy-1234944054/)

• Dan Shipper’s post on X about asking ChatGPT for blind spots: https://x.com/danshipper/status/1910387987487318318)

• Evernote: https://evernote.com/)

• Claude: https://claude.ai)

• Peter Senge on X: https://x.com/petersenge)

• Carl Jung’s quote: https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/44379-until-you-make-the-unconscious-conscious-it-will-direct-your)

• Parker Palmer on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/parker-j-palmer-5a92b110/)

• The unexamined life is not worth living: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_unexamined_life_is_not_worth_living)

Recommended books:

Reboot: Leadership and the Art of Growing Up: https://www.amazon.com/Reboot-Leadership-Art-Growing-Up/dp/0062749536)

Reunion: Leadership and the Longing to Belong: https://www.amazon.com/Reunion-Leadership-Longing-Jerry-Colonna/dp/0063142139)

Born to Run: https://www.amazon.com/Born-Run-Bruce-Springsteen/dp/1501141511)

10% Happier: How I Tamed the Voice in My Head, Reduced Stress Without Losing My Edge, and Found Self-Help That Actually Works—A True Story: https://www.amazon.com/10-Happier-Self-Help-Actually-Works/dp/0062265431)

Soldiers and Kings: Survival and Hope in the World of Human Smuggling: https://www.amazon.com/Soldiers-Kings-Survival-World-Smuggling/dp/0593298586)

The Giving Tree: https://www.amazon.com/Giving-Tree-Shel-Silverstein/dp/0060256656/)

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