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Conversations: For the Love of a Good Man, Gays in the Ancient Greek Military w/ H. Voss

2025/6/20
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Liv: 我对古代世界的酷儿话题，特别是古代军队中的同性恋非常感兴趣。我认为这是一个非常吸引人的话题，因为它可以让我们了解古代社会对同性关系的看法，以及这些关系在军事和社会中的作用。 H. Voss: 我不是一个正式的学者，但我从小就对古希腊感兴趣，并在大学里学习了它。我通过中世纪的后门，即东罗马拜占庭帝国，进入了对古代历史的学术兴趣。拜占庭文化深受古希腊文化的影响，他们保存、评论和改编了古希腊文化。我认为古希腊的同性恋现象是存在的，而且非常明显。我研究了维吉尔的《埃涅阿斯纪》中尼斯和欧律阿鲁斯的故事，我认为他们是理想的柏拉图式浪漫情侣。底比斯圣队是由150对同性情侣组成的军队，他们非常厉害。底比斯与同性恋的关系非常独特，他们没有像雅典和斯巴达那样对同性关系进行严格的限制。雅典的同性关系通常是20多岁的士兵和十几岁的男孩之间的关系，而斯巴达的同性关系则非常恶心。我认为底比斯人对男性同性恋有更现代的理解和对待方式。我对古希腊军队中的同性关系与男子气概的联系很感兴趣。我将鸡奸关系与雅典的埃菲比亚联系起来，这是一种军事训练系统。我认为鸡奸关系是雅典男性从年轻人到完全公民重装步兵的过渡。

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Harrison Voss, a writer and poet, shares his journey into researching queer relationships in the ancient world, particularly within the ancient Greek military. His interest stemmed from a fascination with ancient Greece and Byzantine history, leading him to explore same-sex relationships in classical literature and historical sources.
  • Harrison Voss's background in Byzantine history influenced his interest in ancient Greece.
  • He explored same-sex relationships in ancient Greece through classical literature and historical sources.
  • His initial curiosity about the extent of same-sex relationships in ancient Greece led to deeper research.

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Liv speaks with author, poet, and big ol' nerd H. Voss about queer relationships in the ancient Greek military and the way that aligns with the Roman story of Nisus and Euryalus from Virgil's Aeneid. Read more from H. Voss here), and find the Ancient World Magazine article about Nisus and Euryalus here). This episode was recorded a number of months ago. Submit your question for the next Q&A via email) or a voice note). Get ad-free episodes and so, so much more, by subscribing to the Oracle Edition at patreon.com/mythsbaby)

CW/TW: far too many Greek myths involve assault. Given it's fiction, and typically involves gods and/or monsters, I'm not as deferential as I would be were I referencing the real thing.

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