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RE-AIR: Conversations: Charybdis, a Gaping, Hungry Hole; Fear of the Monstrous Woman w/ Cosi Carnegie

2025/7/1
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Let's Talk About Myths, Baby! Greek & Roman Mythology Retold

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Liv:我认为这期节目绝对是我录过的最劲爆的一集,真是太棒了。我们讨论了古代男性对女性的恐惧,以及这种恐惧如何体现在他们对女性的描述、想象和理解中。我以前对 Scylla 和 Charybdis 作为女性很感兴趣,但没有意识到她们是如此的性化。古希腊人非常色情,同时也非常害怕女性所拥有的力量,尤其是子宫的力量。我正在写一本关于美杜莎的书,其中包含许多短篇故事。我想澄清一下,我最不喜欢的希腊神话故事集中,作者对美杜莎说了一些非常愚蠢的话,这些话仍然是愚蠢的、父权制的和厌女的。虽然 Kossi 和我都认为作者对美杜莎的描述是完全虚构的,但实际上在 Pseudo-Apollodorus 中有一个参考。我们将探讨色情女性的威胁,以及对可怕女性的恐惧。 Kossi:我一直在研究描绘女性怪物的神话和意象,然后将这些与我们在座谈会上看到的关于海特拉在狂野、难以理解、看似身体上不可能的狂欢和性行为的非常非常明确的图像结合起来。我想知道这两组图像可能告诉我们关于古代人对女性和女性身体的想象是什么。我开始思考食欲、性欲、口渴和实际的身体饥饿。如果你将海特拉的超性化描述与 Charybdis(一个永远饥饿的漩涡)进行比较。在古希腊,女性被称为 "bitch",这与她们的性欲和性食欲有关。Gorgonion 是一种保护性的视觉形象,它被认为是很可怕的。希腊人将一些可怕的、女性化的东西放在他们的房子里,作为一种保护自己的方式。我对将怪物性化和将女性性化感到愤世嫉俗。美杜莎的目光本应是引人注目的,所以呈现出一种视觉测试,即你是否仍然可以追求她,即使你面对着她阻止你的力量。

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This episode originally aired in March 2024. Liv is joined by Cosi Carnegie to talk all things horny (boob cups! the threat of a sexual woman! all the erotic pottery you can imagine!) Follow Cosi on Instagram); read more) from her; and learn more about Propylaea Productions)! Submit your question for the next Q&A via email) or a voice note). Get ad-free episodes and so, so much more, by subscribing to the Oracle Edition at patreon.com/mythsbaby). Watch Liv and Cosi speaking live in London here!)

CW/TW: far too many Greek myths involve assault. Given it's fiction, and typically involves gods and/or monsters, I'm not as deferential as I would be were I referencing the real thing.

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