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RE-AIR: Conversations: When Ovid Invented Pick-up Artistry, the Ars Amatoria w/ Imogen Briscoe

2025/2/14
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Let's Talk About Myths, Baby! Greek & Roman Mythology Retold
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Liv：我认为《爱的艺术》是一本糟糕的书，是厌女症的体现，是现代PUA的原始手册。它探讨了男性如何说服甚至强迫女性发生性关系，非常黑暗。尽管内容黑暗，但我们会以一种有趣的方式讨论，因为这是讨论这类话题的唯一方式。这本书非常疯狂，我很兴奋能讨论它。 Imogen Briscoe：我对奥维德的研究始于《情诗集》，并逐渐深入到《爱的艺术》。奥维德的《爱的艺术》与《费城永远阳光灿烂》中的丹尼斯系统有相似之处，都体现了PUA的本质。我研究的重点是奥维德的情爱作品中的男性气质，以及这些作品与现代PUA之间的联系。奥维德已被现代incel群体采纳，这表明他的作品与现代社会有着深刻的关联。奥维德的作品总是与现代社会息息相关，这让我不断地回到他的作品中。

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This episode originally aired in February 2024. Liv is joined by Imogen Briscoe to talk Ovid's Ars Amatoria, the Art of Love, aka the first pick up artist playbook. Did Ovid create the 2000 years of misogyny we've had since? Nope, but he sure made it worse with this one! Read more from Imogen on Twitter) and at the Ekklesia Magazine). Help keep LTAMB going by subscribing to Liv's Patreon for bonus content!)

CW/TW: far too many Greek myths involve assault. Given it's fiction, and typically involves gods and/or monsters, I'm not as deferential as I would be were I referencing the real thing.

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