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The Oh So Disjointed Life of Helen of Sparta, and Hekate in the Haida Gwaii (Q&A)

2024/12/10
logo of podcast Let's Talk About Myths, Baby! Greek & Roman Mythology Retold

Let's Talk About Myths, Baby! Greek & Roman Mythology Retold

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Sonia: 提出疑问,为什么宙斯的力量有限,却仍然是众神之王? Liv: 解释了宙斯作为众神之王的原因,并非因为力量强大,而是因为天空的象征意义,它包罗万象。并推荐了与Maciej Proproski讨论相关话题的节目。 Cole: 询问关于海伦生平的可靠史料来源,以及对《伊利亚特》的翻译推荐。 Liv: 指出关于海伦生平的完整资料不存在,因为这并非古希腊神话的记录方式。推荐了查找相关资料的网站和书籍,并解释了海伦的“不朽”和“死亡”的矛盾之处。 Crystal: 询问关于希腊神祇阿克利斯的信息。 Liv: 解释了阿克利斯作为“死亡薄雾”的拟人化神祇,其信息有限,因为其本身就是一种概念的体现。并解释了此类拟人化神祇的特点以及在古希腊神话中的作用。 Liam: 询问翻译对故事的影响。 Liv: 详细解释了翻译中固有的偏差,以及不同翻译版本对故事理解的影响,并以《奥德赛》不同版本为例,说明了不同译者对同一文本的不同理解和表达方式。 由于古希腊神话的性质,关于许多神祇的生平资料并不完整,这与古希腊人理解世界的方式有关。同时,不同版本的翻译会极大地改变故事,因为语言本身以及人类对世界的理解方式会随着时间和文化而变化。

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Why is Zeus considered the king of the gods despite his powers being somewhat limited compared to others like Apollo?

Zeus is the king of the gods because he is the god of the sky, which is considered all-encompassing in ancient mythologies. The sky surrounds everything, making him the natural ruler. While Apollo has broader powers, the concept of the sky god being the supreme deity is common across Mediterranean and other ancient mythologies.

What are the challenges in finding comprehensive sources about Helen of Sparta's life from birth to death?

There are no sources that provide a complete life story of Helen from birth to death because ancient mythology did not focus on such narratives. The Iliad is the primary source for Helen, but to learn more, one must consult a wide range of fragmented sources, including visual representations and later interpretations. Helen is immortal due to her divine parentage but also dies in some accounts, reflecting the inconsistent nature of mythological narratives.

What is the significance of the Hecate Strait being named after the Greek goddess Hecate?

The Hecate Strait is named after the Greek goddess Hecate, reflecting the influence of colonization. Historically, it was named after a British Navy ship also called Hecate. The naming highlights the presence of Greek mythological names in British Columbia, including other examples like Thetis and Sisyphus, which were similarly named after ships or characters from Greek mythology.

What is the role of Acklis, the goddess of the death mist, in Greek mythology?

Acklis is a personification deity representing the death mist, the clouding of the eyes preceding death. She is mentioned in a few epic poems, such as Hesiod's Shield of Heracles and Nonus' Dionysiaca. As a personification deity, she embodies a specific concept rather than having a complex narrative or personality, which is common for many personified deities in Greek mythology.

How do translations of ancient texts like the Odyssey affect the way we understand the stories?

Translations of ancient texts, such as the Odyssey, are influenced by the translator's biases, cultural context, and language differences. Words in one language may not have direct equivalents in another, leading to variations in meaning. For example, the description of Odysseus as 'a man of many turns' in Greek can be translated as 'a complicated man' in English, reflecting different conceptualizations. Translations can significantly alter how a story is perceived, making it essential to consider multiple versions to grasp the full scope of the original text.

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A listener from Haida Gwaii asks about Zeus's power compared to other gods like Apollo. The host discusses the symbolic importance of the sky god and references past podcast episodes with Maciej Paprocki for a deeper dive into the topic.
  • Zeus's position as king of the gods is linked to the symbolic representation of the sky, which encompasses everything.
  • Apollo, while seemingly more relevant to daily life, doesn't challenge Zeus's supremacy due to the overarching symbolism of the sky.
  • The host recommends listening to previous episodes with Maciej Paprocki for further insights into the lineage and development of Greek deities.

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Liv answers listener questions about Helen, the trouble with translations, pesky personification deities, and more. The episodes referenced were with guest Maciej Paprocki. Submit a question for a future Q&A here). 

CW/TW: far too many Greek myths involve assault. Given it's fiction, and typically involves gods and/or monsters, I'm not as deferential as I would be were I referencing the real thing.

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