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Both Sides Now: The Active Vs. Passive Debate Revisited

2020/11/19
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Let's Talk ETFs

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XOUT Capital CEO David Barse spent nearly 25 years running active value shop Third Avenue Management before embracing a passive, rules-based indexing approach. His new firm, XOUT Capital, is the indexer behind the GraniteShares XOUT U.S. Large Cap ETF (XOUT). So when David speaks about active vs. passive management, ETF investors should take note, as he comes with a deep-seated knowledge from both sides of this issue.Show Notes4:00 - David's metamorphosis from active stock picker to passive indexer7:00 - The XOUT methodology: Using a rules-based approach to determine which companies are likely to cause tech disruption13:00 - Different kinds of passive investing: Rules-based vs. committee-selected indexes19:00 - Re-opening the active vs. passive debate29:00 - Should "seeking alpha" still be a goal for passive indexers?33:30 - Passive as the new active: What about rules-based indexes with 2,000% annual turnover?38:00 - Is there a risk that too much passive indexing can blunt the market's "price discovery" mechanism, leading to less efficient markets? 50:30 - Where active has outperformed passive: Reviewing the recent SPIVA data on mid-cap growth, small-cap growth, real estate and investment-grade intermediate bondsLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices