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DeepSeek vs. OpenAI: is a new AI Cold War brewing?

2025/2/27
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Alfredo Esposito
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Christophe McFadden
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Christophe McFadden: 本期节目探讨DeepSeek的崛起及其对AI未来的影响,包括AI的开源革命、版权争议以及DeepSeek对创新、市场和数字主权的意义。 Alfredo Esposito: 我是一名律师,专注于新技术,特别是生成式AI及其与版权和内容创作相关的问题。DeepSeek是中国开发的生成式AI模型,与ChatGPT类似,但它是开源的。OpenAI的CEO Sam Altman承认公司在开源策略上犯了错误,这凸显了OpenAI与DeepSeek的区别。Elon Musk起诉OpenAI,认为其非营利理念已被完全抛弃。DeepSeek的崛起展示了开源AI模型的潜力,尤其是在协作开发方面。DeepSeek的R1和B3模型采用了“专家混合”(MOE)技术,使其更具成本效益。DeepSeek在中文语言处理上进行了优化,但不会牺牲其他语言的表现。DeepSeek的训练成本被夸大,实际成本可能远高于宣传的数字。在AI训练领域,版权已经失效,传统版权法无法适应生成式AI的规模和学习方式。OpenAI指责DeepSeek使用其模型进行训练,但OpenAI自身也是通过大量受版权保护的内容训练的。无论DeepSeek服务器位于中国还是美国的AI系统,AI技术都具有双重用途,可用于战略国家利益。DeepSeek的发布对股市产生了巨大影响,但这并不意味着AI泡沫即将破裂。我们正处于一场数字冷战,涉及美国、中国、俄罗斯和欧盟,AI技术已成为大国竞争的新战场。DeepSeek并未证明AI可以在小预算下开发,未来可能会出现更多专注于特定应用的AI模型。未来可能会采用类似Spotify的收益模式,为生成式AI训练数据提供补偿。 Alfredo Esposito: 我专注于生成式AI及其法律和伦理问题。DeepSeek作为中国开发的开源AI模型,与OpenAI的ChatGPT形成对比,其开源特性允许开发者查看、修改和运行模型。OpenAI的策略转变以及Elon Musk的诉讼,都突显了OpenAI自身在开源方面的矛盾。DeepSeek的R1和B3模型采用混合专家技术(MOE),降低了训练成本,但实际成本可能被低估。DeepSeek的训练数据可能包含OpenAI的模型,这引发了版权争议,但更深层次的问题是,现有的版权法难以适用于AI大规模数据抓取的训练模式。DeepSeek的服务器位置在中国,引发了数据安全和地缘政治风险的担忧,但这种担忧并非DeepSeek独有,而是AI技术在国际竞争中的普遍问题。DeepSeek的发布对股市产生了冲击,但我不认为这代表AI市场泡沫即将破裂。我认为我们正处于一场AI冷战,各国利用AI技术进行战略竞争,这将影响AI的监管和发展。未来,AI发展可能转向更专业化的应用,而不会直接挑战OpenAI等巨头。关于数据补偿问题,未来可能出现类似Spotify的模式,对训练数据提供者进行补偿。

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DeepSeek, an open-source generative AI model developed by a Chinese startup, is compared to OpenAI's ChatGPT. Key differences include DeepSeek's open-source nature, cost-effectiveness, and potential language optimization for Mandarin while maintaining multilingual capabilities. The discussion also touches upon the varying translation capabilities of different AI models.
  • DeepSeek is an open-source generative AI model.
  • It's developed by a Chinese startup.
  • Key differences from ChatGPT include open-source nature and cost-effectiveness.
  • DeepSeek uses a 'mixture of experts' system.
  • Mandarin optimization is discussed, but it's noted that other languages are not necessarily compromised.

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Today, we’re joined by Alfredo Esposito), a digital rights advocate, copyright expert, and AI law specialist, to explore the rise of DeepSeek, China’s open-source answer to OpenAI.

From AI regulation to the global tech arms race, Alfredo breaks down the legal, ethical, and geopolitical challenges shaping the future of artificial intelligence.

So, join us as we dive into AI’s open-source revolution, the battle over copyright, and what DeepSeek’s rise means for the future of innovation, markets, and digital sovereignty.

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