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Episode 116: As Seen in Apt

2024/2/18
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Conor: Ubuntu Pro 在软件包管理器中投放广告,虽然并非新鲜事,但引发了争议。OMG Ubuntu 的文章指出,用户在使用 22.04 和 DLTS 的 GUI 更新程序时,会看到一些需要 Ubuntu Pro 才能安装的软件包建议,这让他们感到恼火。我在虚拟机中尝试复现该问题,但未能成功。Ubuntu Pro 提供了额外的软件包和长达 10 年的安全更新,但其收费模式和信息呈现方式容易让用户混淆。NPM 也使用了类似的广告方式。 讨论在软件包管理器中投放广告是否合适,以及这是否违背了 Linux 用户的期望。我个人认为,Ubuntu Pro 的信息呈现方式不够清晰,普通用户难以理解。 此外,我还介绍了 Hyprland 窗口管理器,并对其功能和动画效果表示赞赏。在 Wayland 环境下寻找合适的截图工具比较困难,Flameshot 在具有分数缩放的设备上存在问题。Hyprland 社区存在负面评价,其开发者也受到批评。 Mike: Ubuntu Pro 的扩展支持模式是为了解决 LTS 版本支持到期后用户需要继续更新的问题。Canonical 认为,在软件包管理器中显示 Ubuntu Pro 的广告,可以帮助用户及时了解并修复安全漏洞。Ubuntu Pro 的广告信息对于非技术用户来说过于复杂和难以理解。对于仅使用基本功能的用户,建议他们只安装来自 main 和 restricted 仓库的软件包,避免来自 universe 仓库的软件包。 我个人认为,Ubuntu Pro 的信息呈现方式不够清晰,普通用户难以理解。Freexian 公司的扩展支持模式为 Ubuntu Pro 提供了一个更好的替代方案。 Amleth: Linux 用户普遍不喜欢在软件包管理器中看到广告。Ubuntu Pro 的广告信息管理不善,既惹恼了资深用户,也让普通用户感到困惑。Ubuntu Pro 的广告信息应该更加清晰简洁,突出安全更新的重要性。Ubuntu Pro 的广告信息应该提供更清晰的选择,例如继续使用当前 LTS 版本或升级到新的 LTS 版本。Ubuntu Pro 的信息过于复杂,即使是技术人员也需要查找相关信息才能理解。Ubuntu Pro 的广告信息应该更加简洁明了,避免使用过多的营销语言。

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What is the main issue with Ubuntu Pro advertising in its package manager?

Ubuntu Pro displays messages in the package manager suggesting updates for packages that cannot be installed unless users sign up for Ubuntu Pro. This confuses users, especially non-technical ones, who may not understand why they cannot install these updates. The messaging is unclear, leading to frustration and misunderstandings about whether updates require payment.

How does Ubuntu Pro differ from traditional LTS support?

Traditional LTS (Long-Term Support) provides four years of package support. Ubuntu Pro extends this by offering up to 10 years of security updates for packages in the 'universe' repository, which are community-supported and not maintained by Canonical. This extended support is free for up to five machines, but the implementation and messaging have been criticized for being confusing.

What alternative model for extended support is mentioned in the discussion?

The discussion mentions Freexian, a company that offers Debian support. Freexian's model involves crowdfunding security fixes for specific packages. Once enough funds are raised, the fixes are backported and made available to everyone, regardless of whether they contributed financially. This contrasts with Ubuntu Pro's subscription-based model.

What are the concerns about the messaging in Ubuntu Pro's package manager?

The messaging in Ubuntu Pro's package manager is criticized for being unclear and potentially misleading. Non-technical users, such as the example of a grandmother using Ubuntu, may not understand why they are being prompted to sign up for Ubuntu Pro to install updates. The lack of clarity can lead to confusion and frustration, especially when users feel pressured to pay for updates they believe should be free.

What is Floorp, and how does it differ from Firefox?

Floorp is a fork of Firefox developed by a Japanese company. It offers a faster browsing experience and allows users to revert to older Firefox themes, catering to those who dislike recent UI changes in Firefox. Unlike LibreWolf, which focuses on security, Floorp supports Firefox Sync and includes features inspired by Vivaldi, such as vertical tabs and a sidebar.

What are the criticisms of Hyprland's community?

Hyprland's community has been accused of toxicity, with reports of the lead developer deadnaming a community member and resisting the implementation of a code of conduct. These issues have led to concerns about the community's inclusivity and moderation practices, despite the compositor's technical merits.

What challenges do users face with screen capture tools on Wayland?

Users transitioning to Wayland have struggled to find screen capture tools as effective as Flameshot, which works well on X but has limited functionality on Wayland. Alternatives like GNOME's built-in screenshot tool and Spectacle (for KDE) are available, but they lack some of Flameshot's advanced annotation features. Fractional scaling issues further complicate the use of Flameshot on Wayland.

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Discussion

With Shane away, Amolith, Conor and Mike discuss advertising in package managers, a fork of Firefox and a snazzy window manager with a darker side.

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Ubuntu Pro package manager advertising) (from omg! ubuntu!)

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Messaging) in npm)

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Freexian)

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The Debian Administrator's Handbook)

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Ubuntu repos)

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Ubuntu Pro on the welcome screen)

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Floorp) fork of Firefox (from It's FOSS)

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Firefox sync)

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Vivaldi browser)

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Firefox View)

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Hyprland)

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Flameshot)

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Gnome screenshot issue)

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Spectacle)

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Hyprland's community accused of toxicity)

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