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Welcome to Literally. It's me. I'm very excited. I say that a lot, don't I? At what point you're going to be, and he says that every single time I turn on to the show. But it's true. I wouldn't be doing it if I wasn't excited about it. And I have the great Catherine O'Hara on the podcast today. I mean, when you think of

Just iconic, amazing. And to say she's a character actor is diminishing because she's not. She's an actor, a great actor. Her character work is...

Is unparalleled, whether it's her work in every genius Christopher Guest movie or the Home Alone franchises or her work at SCTV or currently in Schitt's Creek where she just won an Emmy. Oh, nothing. She's a stud and she's somebody that I've never met before. So you get to see me start a history with somebody brand new live in your ear hole.

And that's about to begin right now. And I hope you like the talk as much as I liked having it. I'm in Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada, where my husband and sons are working on a show called Schmigadoon for Apple. My husband is a production designer who designed the sets. And one son is in construction and the other son is a set dresser.

So they got into show business against all your, all the barriers you surely, hopefully put in their way. No, after they quit college, they're both, they're both dropouts. So we thank God we could get them to work somewhere. Sheesh.

I wake up with cold sweats sometimes because one of my kids is in the business and then the other is sort of flirting with it. But at least he's got a law degree. Law degree, congratulations. I know. I don't know how that happened. I really, I suspect, I've always suspected that

on one of those locations that, you know, and I love my wife and I say this with all respect, but I do think that maybe there was something going on with a really smart pool guy. It's the only thing that makes any real sense. There are tests for that sort of thing. I know. I know. But I think you trust her. I think you trust her. I do. I do. But that said, if I were...

If I were, who's the redheaded prince who we're convinced that Prince Charles isn't his father, that one, you know? Oh, yeah. Yeah, I would. The redhead? In what world has somebody not gotten hair out of that brush and gone to like 23andMe or whatever the fuck it is and figured it out? I mean, that would be worth some money, I think. That's great. Right? He does have his nose. He has his nose, Charles' nose. Yeah, but he's got that ginger fighter pilot face, though.

Yeah, does red hair immediately go to kids or go to kids? This is not my first language. Does it go to kids? We all talk like Donald Trump now. Does it go to kids where they are with the... No, do children automatically inherit red hair? Is that better? No, I think it pops up. I think it pops up weirdly. Oh, okay.

Oh, I think you're making that up. I don't know. This is why I'm the worst podcaster in the history of podcasts, because I get a genius like you with a storied career, and all I want to do is talk about obscure DNA and red hair popping up. All across the country right now, people are getting off the treadmills and going, this guy's the fucking worst. I've had it. I want Jason Bateman. Give me Dax Shepard. I'll talk about anything but...

But the obvious. Well, you I I was I was doing my little research on on you and I came across an interesting quote. You said your whole family was funny. How does that happen? No one in my family is funny. Yes, they are. You must have beaten it out of them or somebody did. Your family was actually funny. Everybody. Yeah, they really are. They still are. Yeah, they still are. Six, six brothers and sisters. Well, my parents are gone. God bless them. But I have six brothers and sisters and they all laugh.

think and know they could be doing anything that I've done in comedy. No, they are. They're funny, but it was always, I think we're born funny. And I think you either, you know, unfortunately have life beat it out of you or it's encouraged and you're fortunate enough to have it encouraged. And my parents, I think,

was that was the sexiest thing about them is them making each other laugh right to the end, no matter what they were going through, you know, and the longer you live, you go through a lot of stuff and they did. Um,

And they just always found a way to laugh about it. Always. And my dad used to, like, you know, during dinner, he'd go in the bathroom and come back with a funny hairdo. Really? So he was silly, too. Oh, yeah. Very silly. I think silly funny is very underrated. Yeah. Not really. Well, yes. Okay, I won't disagree. Sorry. But, you know, you look at The Jerk or Dumb and Dumber. Dumb and Dumber or...

I mean, who else? Who else? Jim Carrey. Ace Ventura, a pet detective. Yeah. Silly, but intelligently done. Anything really well done is well done, I think. But just having just the notion of your dad walking into the bathroom and coming out with a hairdo apropos of nothing is really genius.

That's the way it was. Yeah, I do a ridiculous walk at the end of Best in Show. Yes. Oh, I know the walk well. It's great. I do a ridiculous walk. And the night before we shot this, Chris Guest said, okay, well, you have to, you know, something has to happen. You have to fall so that Eugene can show the dog with his two left feet. And so we talked about, you know, falling, whatever. And then I said, well, and he said, then what do you imagine afterwards? Could I do this?

And I walked away from him. And he just said, yes, yes, do that. And that is my dad's walk that he would do. I'm talking about my dad. But my dad would do that in a parking lot or wherever he'd walk ahead of us and do that walk. So everyone in my family does it. They're appealed that I got to do it on film. That's amazing. Well, listen, here's what I love about your dad. And I didn't get a chance to know him. And I'm sad about it. He clearly didn't care what other people who...

We're in the same parking lot. We're looking around. That poor man. What's wrong with him? And speaking, I'm sorry, one more thing about my dad and parking lots is at one point our car, I don't know what kind of car he was driving, but if we turned left, the horn would go off.

So I remember driving out of a church parking lot and he turned left and the horn went off. And my dad said, everybody wave. So we all waved out the window as if he was honking to somebody that he knew. So we all waved to everyone. He's, but see, he's Canadian. So, and Canadians are funny. You guys, you're funny. Everyone is. I, would you like to come to Dayton, Ohio? Spend some time at, uh.

Spend some time with the folks I grew up with. Really nice people. Not funny. Are you there now? Are you there now? No. My dad is still there. My dad's still practicing law. And he's not funny at all? I guess if it takes me that long to answer, the answer is no. Do his friends think he's funny? Which is even worse. Because there's nothing. Here's the thing that makes my skin crawl. Ready for this? Oh, I've got a great joke. You're going to love this. When I hear that joke.

Oh, I, I literally start to jump out of my own skin. Oh, I would never set up a joke with, oh, is this ever funny? You got to hear. No, but they do. People do it all the time because they laughed at it when somebody told it to them and they think it's just going to come out of them the same way.

And they'll be able to deliver it and get the same laugh. So they're going, wait, do you hear this? That's coming through me now, unfortunately. Yeah. I don't like the pre-sale of the story. The other one is when it's like, oh, I just one second, but this is, this is such a great story. You got to hear this. I don't get nervous. Or if somebody tells you pitches an idea for anything,

You know, and they say, what about this idea? I get really nervous that I'm not going to love it. And it's just, you can hardly hear anything. They love it already. Yeah. What are you saying? Here's, here's, I think we can stop this as a culture is the minute they say, oh, this is really funny. You just go, I'll be the judge of that. Yes. Just, just hit them with it right away. We'll see. Yeah. For you, for me, I don't know. Yeah. Yeah.

Or if you're telling a long joke or if you've heard a long joke and you thought it was really funny and you'd like to repeat it, do you really milk it? When it's one of those jokes that require a lot of milking of the story, kind of by the end, you're thinking really all of that for that punchline. But some people can really just make a meal out of it, as they say, whereas I will just kind of get lazy and go, and at the end, this happens. Yeah. And the doctor came in and said, here are the results. Whatever.

I'm laughing. Oh, you're good. I know. All right. Okay. So I want to ask you about this. So I grew up as an SNL guy, right? And, but all my friends were SC TV freaks, but I could never get SC TV. I could never find it. And I wanted to find it so badly. You didn't stay up late enough. Is that what it was? Where, where the hell was this thing? This SC TV thing you speak of, where was it?

Yes, you speak of. It was on...

A thing called a television. Yes. Okay, good. All right. I'm with you. Back when we all, nevermind. And it was on either before or after Saturday Night Live on a lot of stations. But more often than that, it would be on like after to the night show or something. It'd be on at 1 a.m. See, because I got Don Kirshner's rock concert. Oh, yeah. The Midnight Special.

And the Midnight Special. Yeah, that's what I got after SNL. Because I always wanted to see what everybody was taught. Somehow people, but they're not rivals, right? Do you feel like it's a rival thing? No, no. We were not in the same league. We were never in the same league. They were the primetime players, right? On Saturday Night Live. Well, most of them were our friends that had been at Second City.

That's right. Yeah. And we knew most of them, but we were so happy for them. And at different times, I remember they were talking to John Candy, God bless him, about doing it or so-and-so. They might sort of put up feelers. We're like, oh, yeah, yeah. But I think the SCTV producers, you know, they, of course, they tried doing a sketch television show years ago. It was called...

tunnel vision, but it's not. Chevy Chase was involved, Bill Murray and a bunch of Second City people, and it hadn't gone anywhere. I think they did it with the Lampoon people. And then, so finally, because Saturday Night Live was doing so well, such a giant hit, then our producer said, wait a minute, we have such a bank load of talent from all the years of Second City. Why aren't we doing this? And we just happened to be the cast at the time.

We were there in the right time, right place, and we got to do it. But no, I don't think we could... No, we're no competition. But I do like the fact that we didn't have to do it with an audience. We could take our time and play with things and rewrite them. We had more control. As a cast, way more control than the cast has on Saturday Night Live. That would make it much...

Not easier. It's never easy to be funny. And those, I mean, the people that came out of that farm team, I mean, you had Gilda there. You knew Gilda. You knew Gilda Radner, for gosh sakes. Oh, God bless her. Yeah. I met her through my brother Marcus. They dated, and they were in a theater called Global Village Theater in Toronto, downtown. And we got to go downtown from the suburbs and see them. That was very exciting. It's very exciting.

Isn't it? And then Gilda got into Godspell and my sister, Barry Margaret. Godspell. Wait, wait, wait. Hang on. I just want to savor that. Can I just savor? Because I just was overwhelmed with 70s vibes just now. Did you ever see Godspell? Who didn't? It's the 70s. Who wasn't in it?

God spell. Oh my God. In Toronto, it's Victor Garber played Jesus. No way. Eugene took over for him later. Eugene was in the cast. Eugene had an Afro like Schreiber, Burns or Schreiber. Nobody knows. You're too young. Um,

Yeah, Eugene was in it. Andrew Martin was in it. Dave Thomas was in it. Marty Short was in it. They were all these same Second City people. Yeah, they were all in Godspell. Mary Margaret, who's a great singer, and I auditioned. We got callbacks, but we didn't get in. And I think we even, I even copied what Gilda had sung for her. Zippity-doo-dah, she had sung for her audition. I can't even, Gilda did it.

And then Gilda got into Second City and Mary Margaret and I were waitresses at Second City. We just followed Gilda everywhere. Yeah, she was lovely. She would come and hang out with our family on, you know, on the dark night on Sunday nights or Monday, whenever they were not working at Second City. She'd come and hang out. We have home videos of her doing improvs with my mom and dad, my sisters and brothers. And she was really sweet. When I turned 17, she gave me

Her gift was 17 coupons for me. I wish I knew where they were. One of those, I will do the dishes for you. I will make you lunch. I will take you shopping. Cute little life coupons. Did you ever cash in those coupons? No. Are you kidding? Even then I knew, this is Gilda Radner. Hang on to this.

I would have stood up at the audience at SNL and said, hey, fancy girl, you got to do my dishes. I'm hungry. I'd like a little lunch, please. Were you a good auditioner, bad auditioner? I love finding out if people are good at auditioning because a lot of actors are not at all. And some are really good at it.

I'm not. Someone, I think it was my brother Michael, told me about a book called Audition. Do you know that book? I'm going to have to read it now. Michael Shurtleff. He also does or did acting classes. And really, really good advice on auditioning. And in his book, he said Robert De Niro was an awful auditioner. I thought, well, that gave me hope. But yeah, I was really bad. And I actually auditioned for a Robert De Niro movie once. And he wasn't there, of course.

And there was a bank of people there. And I'm sitting in a chair. And the scene I was reading in that scene, Robert De Niro and his wife were in bed. So instead of sitting there reading the scene, I got down like this to look like I was in bed. Oh, my God. It's amazing. You can see it's a really flat. That is. Well, yeah.

I don't know how I feel about, I relate. I don't know how I feel about this because, you know, sometimes as a producer, I'm, you know, I'm on the other end of the casting and I always feel nervous for the actors and I want them to do great. Yeah. And I've seen actors come in and like, there's a scene in a car, right? And I don't know how I feel about the actors who act like they're driving a car, a fake, they manufacture a fake steering wheel and move it.

And I'm like, hmm. I mean, I get it, but I don't know. Yeah, like I did with the bed. It doesn't work. It's like you're doing the thing with the bed. It doesn't work. And also the weird thing about auditioning, but nobody's come up with a better idea, but the really wrong thing about it is when you're auditioning, all the focus is on you. And when you're on a set, the focus is on everyone. Everyone on the crew, everyone in the scene, everyone.

Everyone, you know, it's a shared experience.

occupation, you know, shared focus, but not when you're auditioning. So it's so unnatural in that way. It also took me until I was in my, I think, late 30s to realize that I shouldn't go into a meeting. I don't think I actually was ever good at a meeting as opposed to an audition. And then you get to a certain point in whatever career you might have, and they think, oh, we won't make you audition. We'll just have you come in for a meeting, right? But I was never good at that, and it took me until

into my late 30s to realize that maybe I shouldn't go into that meeting completely as myself, that maybe I should take some aspect of the character and, you know, how would I be that way or how would I think that way or see that way? I'd still be myself, but I would, you know, feed them a bit of, you know, my potential as the character. But until then, I was just... No matter what the role, I would go in as the same goof-ass.

Are you good at meetings? You're good at meetings. Well, here's my problems even worse. I feel like I'm good in meetings and I have a great time and I come out of them and I never get the job. That's even worse, I think. I mean, I'd rather know I was bombing in the room so maybe I could work on it. But I make a lot of friends. When it goes well, yeah, you have no, you know, they'll say, oh, you're great. We love meeting. Yeah, we love meeting him. Why don't you tell us? Tell us what, you know.

How did we blow it or why? Or had you already cast it before you brought 40 people in? Well, you know, they say show business is the one industry where you could die from enthusiasm, die of enthusiasm. You know, it's like it really it. But you're so right about giving them a little bit of of something. It's kind of like the thing. It's you're you're going to do a net. You're going to you're it's Westworld.

You might be in West, the new season of Westworld. And so you go to meet with everybody at HBO and they're not going to make you. They're not going to make you. Come on. Read for it, of course. After all, it's season five. They might have. It was season one. But if I went in and chaps, like if I just rolled into Mr. Chow's for the lunch meeting and chaps, that's sort of what we're talking about, right? It's like, it's me, but there's a little something about being a...

Right? Or no, that's two on the nose. Cowboy hat? Jaunty cowboy hat? I think if I was casting, I would think I would give you points for effort and for enthusiasm. Definitely. But I think it's more like, you know, if you're going to play one of those kind of robot kind of, I don't know what those people are on Westworld. You would order your meal like this. There you go. That you would kind of, yes. I would like a salad. A salad sounds good. Please give me a Caesar salad.

I met with Catherine and it seemed like she'd had a stroke. That's the feedback you get. I think I've got that critique a lot. Hold that thought. We'll be right back.

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Qualifying plan required. Wi-Fi were available on select U.S. airlines. Deposit and Hilton Honors membership required for 15% discount terms and conditions apply. Schitt's Creek is so genius. Everybody knows it. I don't need to tell you. It's amazing. And you're amazing. So you have found that. You have found where to watch that.

Well, that's one of the things I wanted to talk about because that show's journey is one of the things that... Look, I spent a lot of time pissing on show business for good reason. But the other great thing about show business is you truly don't know when the next magical thing is going to happen. And that's what's so great about it. And that that show found its way into the zeitgeist against all odds is one of the great things about what we do. Really, truly. No, we're really...

This whole COVID thing worked out really well. That's right. Everybody's stuck at home and people are watching anything they hear about. And the people who do watch our show, we're watching our show already, are so loving and kind that they badger everyone they know to watch the show. So then suddenly people are stuck at home. They go, OK, I'll watch it.

So that and the fact that Netflix started, that made a world of difference. The day Netflix started showing our show made a big, big difference. But people really are stuck at home. And also we turned out to be...

The Rose family in our show turned out to be a strangely good example for people of how to live with your grown children and get to know each other when you're stuck at home for a good length of time. We're actually it's so in keeping with what so many people are living through.

And, you know, there's the whole lovely inclusivity aspect of our show. And and and there's just a lot of it's really written with love. I think Daniel Levy wanted to create a world he wanted to live in. And I'd like to live there, too. And I I also liked a quote I read of yours. You said you wanted to help design a character that was going to make you interested in playing her for more than.

In one season. And boy, did you ever do that? I mean, they allowed me to speak like an alien. That really helped. They were they were there. Not a lot of people who just go along with it. And I'd like to wear a different wig in every scene, please. OK, said Eugene. Yeah. What about you when you take on? You've done lots of series. When you start out on a role, do you not get scared of people?

Of creating something that you won't want to live with, let alone, never mind what other people will think, but what you will stay interested in will keep you excited. And yeah. Yeah. How do you go about that? Well, I've kind of come to a place where I accept the challenge of that. If you're going to be on a long running television show, you're

Yeah.

You're living it. Some days you're sick. Some days you're happy. Some days you can't wait to get home to see the kids. Other days there's a national tragedy unfolding on the news, but you're on the stage. But whatever goes on, you're going to experience it while you're playing the character. Yeah. And that to me is what keeps it from being –

um, who keeps it fresh is that, that you're right. The amount of, the amount of time you're playing that character, you're inevitably going to experience a range of real life emotions. Cause on a movie, you can just put all that aside for six weeks or whatever, but you can't do it when you're lit, when you're doing a TV show. No. And I think you're, you know, with good writing, um, you, you are allowed to have new experiences and, um,

find out about yourself and you do go through changes if if um if the writing allows it yeah so you aren't actually you're not actually stuck like i afraid i was going to be or what any of us were going to be when we first signed on yeah you're not you're not actually stuck yeah good writing so

Is it true that you modeled your character's look after my good friend Daphne Guinness? Are you friends with Daphne Guinness? I am. I am. Well, that's great. Well, she's wild. Wild. I don't know her personally, but her determination to look different and amazing and strong, her armor like jewelry,

That she wears, yeah. That's all true. That's all who she is. So for those of you out there who are just discovering, Google Daphne Guinness. She's one of the great characters, extraordinary characters. Aaron Sorkin and I did A Few Good Men together in the West End, and Daphne came to the show, and we struck up a friendship. So I've known her ever since. What's she like?

Exactly. She delivers on exactly what you want her to be like, right? So she's very ethereal, very beautiful, very ageless, like she could be from any age or be any age. Yeah, yeah. And I have a friend who talks about Daphne coming to visit them on the beach in Mozambique. Yeah.

in the high heat of the summer and looking up the beach and seeing her in seven inch black platform heels, black leather pants, bedazzled sleeves and jewelry and hair and huge sunglasses. And that's, I mean, well, you know what she is? She's a female Karl Lagerfeld. There's a lot of that, right? I wore some Karl Lagerfeld fingerless gloves on the show several times.

Yeah, she's a big believer in fingerless gloves. She's a deaf. You can see once you see her pictures of her, you know how much she inspired me and our wardrobe department, Debra Hansen and Daniel Levy, who had a big hand in it. Yeah, I, you know, I signed on to do the role. And then Eugene and Daniel invited me to lunch to talk about, you know,

And I brought my iPad with... I looked at it recently. It was like 150 pictures of Daphne Guinness. How did you know about Daphne? How did you find... How did she get on your radar? I discovered it just...

Somebody blessed me with that. I was just looking for looks. I know somebody, you know, Lisa Eisner? Yes. Lisa Eisner. Yes. She designs amazing jewelry and she's just a great character. And she dresses really wild and strongly all the time. And so I was looking for her for outfits because I wanted to bring pictures of her to Daniel and Eugene's.

And I don't know, maybe I looked up black and white because I do love black and white. I look black and white, something or extreme dressing or urban or exotic dressing or, you know, whatever. And found a picture of Daphne Gittes like, oh, my God, who is this woman? Yeah. And then brought them 150 pictures. And Daniel, you know, opened up the iPad and started running through them. And Daniel went, yes, yes.

Yes. How great, though, that you have a collaborator, though, in Daniel. Yes. Who who who is open to that vision and gets it. Yeah. And makes it happen, actually executes it, you know, because I'm sure you've had this where you, you know, you have meetings with wardrobe or the director, producer, whatever, before you take a role. And then you show up for your first fitting and everyone says yes.

But it's amazing when you're talking anything creative that you're not actually seeing, even when you see it sometimes. But when you're talking creative ideas and everyone thinks they're on the same page and everyone goes, yeah, oh, yeah, let's do that. Yeah, great. Okay. So then with wardrobe, you show up on that first day and there's a rack full of

the most foreign looking things to what the conversation was. Just what? Was there anything here? Let's start with, oh, maybe that skirt. I'll try. Just so that's happened so many times. So it's one thing.

So for me to come in with pictures of Daphne Guinness, I didn't have to shop. I didn't have to find everything. I didn't have to put it together, accessorize it, anything. That was all Debra Hansen and Daniel Levy. And we had to have authentic high end, you know, clothes from. You can't fake. No, no. They did mix. They'll mix in some Zara and H&M once in a blue moon.

You know, especially for Annie stuff, I think some cute little dresses and things. But overall, no, I was wearing like $10,000 boots. But Daniel and Deb Hansen would shop all year online and have stuff in their dream carts waiting for prices to go down. So because we don't have that budget.

We didn't have that budget. Did you keep any of it? You must have kept some of the good stuff, I'm hoping. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, they were very kind about that. Keep waiting for a bill to be sent, and they haven't done it yet, so I'm going to just go with, they've given it to me. Here's what you need to do. There is a double Academy Award winning actress who shall go unnamed, and it's her rule that if she, as her character, touches anything,

anything on the set, it's hers. So you guys can all do the math and try to figure out who this is. It shouldn't be too hard, but the, the, the rule it's called the that's her name rule. And so I think you need to invoke that rule.

Well, I didn't have to. I worked with the Levy gentlemen. They just... Again, Canadians. Nice. Canadians, yeah. And at the end, there are racks and racks of amazing things, but I can't pull off most of it. I'm not my character. But there were so many beautiful pieces. You know, we were evacuated last October. Thank God, not this year, but evacuated at three in the morning last year. And as you do, you run through the house. If you haven't organized things like...

Like I didn't. You know, you run through the house looking for passports and documents and, you know, pictures of your babies and, you know, baby pictures from the kids and just all that stuff. And I kept running by this rack of

Moira clothes. And as I was looking for the other things you're supposed to have, and I thought, I can't, no, I know I'm not. So I grabbed like eight, 10 pieces of clothes and the Givenchy booties. They're just so cool. Well, I was the baby pictures of myself. No, the kids. Yeah. Givenchy booties and baby pictures. I was happy to have them because you never know. Thank God we were spared, but.

You got to have some things that, you know, not just documents and passports, but things that remind you of joyful times. Yeah. Easy said for me. We were spared. What evacuation was this? Was this the fires? Yeah. The Getty. The Getty fire. Oh, the Getty fire. Yeah. Because we're in Brentwood. Very close. It was very close up. Up Tigertown. Yeah. Oh, for sure. Very sad. Yeah. I know what I also want to ask you about.

You had a Paul Lynde imitation? Is this true? When I was nine or ten. Who didn't? Yeah, there you go. Yeah, I only did men for my dad. Make them laugh. Make them laugh. Oh, yeah. It was like this. That's really good. No, you don't understand. They're making a Paul Lynde movie. And I'm so disappointed that I'm not playing Paul Lynde.

Really? I feel like it's a role I was born to play. That's quite a claim. I know. That's great. Well, why aren't you? I don't know. I don't know. Well, how do you know you're not? Because I think I read someone was playing it. I want to feel like it was a Greg Kinnear or somebody. I don't know. I need to get on this. Don't you think? Yes. Yeah. Don't you want to see a movie that takes place up Mount Olympus off Laurel Canyon and-

1976 with me as Paul Lynn doing whippets with pool boys and then rushing off to the farmer's daughter bar next to CBS television city getting up and then going on. I mean, that's a movie I want to do. And how happy would Paul Lynn be knowing you're playing him? How flattering is that? That would be wonderful. Yeah. I think he'd like that. I mean, I think you should let people know center square.

Who else do you do? Do. I do, you know, I do some of the usuals, the Clinton, the Chris Walkins, you know. Oh, excellent. I do Lauren, of course. Who doesn't do Lauren? I think I haven't gotten through it. We were almost going to get to this podcast without me doing Lauren. This was going to be the first one. Oh, really? And now you've led me into it. You've led me into it. The mouth is going already. It's already starting. Um,

I once asked, because I have a son named Matthew. I know you have a son named Matthew. Yes. So then I was trying to think of another name for my second son. And I was really struggling because, you know, names have meaning. And you're like, oh, I like this name. But I knew a guy in seventh grade who was a dick who had that name. So that name's that. You go through all that stuff. And I was really struggling with the name. And I was on the phone with Lauren. And he said, my advice is.

I think the King's names work best. Oh, he means it. That's great. That's great. Isn't that the greatest? Yeah. Excellent. Excellent. He also said, I was redesigning my house. He goes, Rob, the thing is, when you get older, you'll find yourself being drawn to wood. To wood? Mm-hmm. Does he say, it's that thing a lot? You know, it's that thing. It's that. No, no, no, no. Don't misunderstand. It's that thing.

Really good. Jeez. So you're actually doing Lorne. You're not doing Dana Carvey doing Lorne or who else doing Lorne? Yeah, you're actually doing Lorne. Did you go to the Tate Modern when you were in London and see the haystacks? They're breathtaking. That's great. I know. I'll never get him on the show now. He'll never come on. And I mean, he's going to be. Yes, he will. Sure he will. He's become the great white whale of the show. It started out as Bruce Springsteen.

And it's quickly morphed into Lorne. And, like, once – if I ever – then I can, like, retire from my ill-fated podcasting career. Get Lorne in. You know, that'll be the end of it. Did you already get Sprigsy? No, no. I haven't gotten him either, but I'm – I'm going to – I don't know. I make him sound like a – Really? Yeah.

That's really good. He's doing a lot of stuff right now. He's doing a lot of interviews right now. I know. The new album is insane. It's so good.

And the documentary where they're all in the studio, the studio of a thousand guitars. Yeah, you know, you know your Springsteen. I've seen them. I've seen them. Did you ever see his show, Ben Stiller, Judd Apatow, produced years ago? You guys know what it is, where he plays Springsteen and everyone's gone home and he's cleaning the floor. He outlives everyone. That and, of course, Ben when he does Tom Cruise, who I also do. Oh, yes. In fact, my early...

When I started on Parks and Recreation, there was a minute and a half where they were writing my Tom Cruise impersonation into Chris Traeger, but it didn't really take. It wasn't really – it didn't really fit what we were doing, but Mike Schur, who created Parks and Rec, was very enamored with my Cruise impersonation, which really – you know how, like –

Sometimes you only have one bit and your entire impersonation is literally it's one bit. You have one move and that's it, but it's a good move and it works, right? So mine was Tom ordering water at a restaurant. That was my entire Tom Cruise, because it was true. I mean, I vividly remember this moment.

As an 18-year-old kid going, oh, oh, that's a thing. And it's just the notion of like having a nice conversation with somebody over the table. And then the waiter comes up and says, you know, what would you like? And you're like, I would like water. I would like it in a glass. I would like lemon in it. I would like to be room temperature. Anyway, and just like super intense and specific about something like that. Not for a laugh. Oh, no, no, no. Super intense. Wow. Wow. Yeah.

Yeah. So there was a minute where my character did that kind of stuff. And then we're like, that's great. That's great. Wow. You're good at this. Sheesh. Have you ever played the game? Marty Short used to make us play this all the time. Where you give each other people to do that you've never done. And you have to try to do them. That's really scary. Ooh. I did it once on the Tonight Show. I got Jay Leno to agree to do it. And the other cast shite.

was, oh, lovely guy that was in the...

He's Australian actor. Hugh Jackman. No, Hugh Jackman. Russell Crowe. That's good. That's good. No, he was in the movie about the Olympics that Spielberg directed. He's a really good actor. Oh, oh, Eric Bana? Thank you. Eric Bana was the other guest. And I guess he was out first because he was there. And then I came out and Jay Leno had agreed to do this. And I said, okay, we'll give each other names to do. And we have to impersonate. And I gave some of it to Jay Leno. And he made a great attempt. Gave some to Eric Bana. Made a great attempt.

I did the anti-improv rule thing. They gave me somebody. They gave me Liz Taylor. I said, well, I've done her. No. And then they gave me somebody else. No, give me somebody living. It was just so bad because I knew what I wanted to do. And I said, I said, can I give me someone living? And Eric Mann had just worked with Scarlett Johansson. So I said, OK, Scarlett Johansson. Yeah. Is it OK if I say Puck?

On TV. And Jay Leno said, of course. And I said, okay, here's Scarlett Johansson in the morning before she puts her teeth in. Oh, I love that fucking Eric Ben. That is the most, that's quite genius. That's really cheap. That is such a safety guard going in my mind. So yeah.

That's a really good game, but it's really good if you're playing with you and Marty Short. No, I'm not good at it. And it's so scary, especially if you've never tried doing something before, just to have a sound come out of your mouth, just to make that first sound is such a leap, leap of faith. Okay, I'll give you something to do. You don't have to give me anything. Yeah, no, I know. I'm up for this challenge. I'm very competitive, very competitive. The minute you said game, I was like, let's go.

Give me one. Okay. Well, here's the thing is, I really have to, like, it's a podcast, so they're not getting half my artillery is the visual, but just know that going in. Oh, that's true. You're grading on a curve. Your voices have been great, though. Your voices have been great. Eh. All right. No, are you kidding? You know it. Hit me with one. Hit me with one. Hit you with one. Yeah, okay. So I'm good.

I did say Red Buttons, but that's too old a reference. Red Buttons. Oh, my God. It would be a scene from the Poseidon Adventure. That's all I ever saw Red Buttons in. That's great. Is it Red Buttons? No, but Poseidon Adventure? Do Gene Hackman. Okay. See? I want to do him hanging from the screw before he drops into the flaming water. God, if you don't let these people get through this...

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So here's something interesting. Christopher Guest, who is a certified genius, and you're shaking your head. Yes, everybody knows it. No, I'm nodding. I'm nodding. Nodding your head. Nodding your head. I didn't mean shaking your head. No, I meant shaking your head. Yes. Yes.

Here's what I've witnessed about him that I found really fascinating. Yes. I was able to observe him at a party surrounded by some of the funniest people on the planet, whether it was Steve Martin, Marty Short, Tom Hanks. I think Ron Howard was there. I mean, funny, smart people. And everybody, whenever anyone told a joke or told a story or anything, they

Before anyone reacted, they looked at Chris. Oh, I knew you were going to say that. Oh, I knew you were going to say that. Yeah. Yes. He's the he comes off as the toughest critic in the world. And he's also really smart and really funny.

When we improvised the scenes in the movies that we did, or that I was part of with him, everyone else kind of repeated a joke here and there, you know, from take to take. Not the whole thing, but, you know, I thought, oh, there was a, you know, there was something happened with sound. That take is dead. Okay, well, I might just try that. I came up with that joke. I'm going to try. I'll try to get it in there again. Chris Guest never repeated a thought from take to take to take in his characters. No.

Just so ridiculously inventive and creative and funny. So, yeah, you just and he's very dry, really dry. So you need to create a different story for me. Dry doesn't begin to. Yeah, he's the Sahara. Yeah.

But are you friends with him? I know him a little bit through – I've known Jamie, his wife, Jamie Lee, forever and ever and ever. And so we would run into each other. And I like him very much, but I wouldn't say that we're very close. But he's obviously amazing.

Well, I'm not really close. I don't see him. I've only seen him when I worked with him. But once he does let you in as a friend, he's so affectionate and sweet and he laughs and laughs and he's so lucid. It's just the rest of the time he just does not suffer fools and everybody wants to be a fool.

That's a great phrase. You're right. He doesn't suffer fools and everybody wants to be his fool. It's really... Hey, I'm improvising, eh? Oh, you're good at that. Oh, you really do. He... Okay, Corky St. Clair. Oh, with the backward pants. I mean, I don't know in the pantheon of great...

characters that for me might be, because I feel like I've been directed by Corky St. Clair multiple times in my career. Then you're lucky. Someone very loving and supportive and encouraging that just wants you to be the best you could possibly be. That's what it was like. And then there was Bob Balaban's character who looked at us like, how did you get here? You're right about Corky St. Clair, but the other part about Corky St. Clair is he's completely without talent. That's the other part.

That's who that's I, it's, there's something so endearing slash infuriating about someone who's so energetically lovingly like supportive, who has no clue what they're doing. And he does, isn't directing a love directing, nurturing and taking care of people and considering what everyone's going through and empathizing with everyone and

It is true. You've got to have that. The great ones all do, right? Don't you think? That's Corky. That's Corky St. Clair. Oh, man, what a great character. But also took himself so seriously. Corky took himself so seriously. Could you choose your favorite Chris Guest movie or no? All of them. No, I don't know. I don't know. No, they're all... They were all just...

Amazingly challenging, scary, and fun to do. But the best was just watching everyone else work. But waiting for Guffman the night before I shot for the first time, they'd already shot for a week or so.

When I got in and Chris just said, I'll just tell you one thing. Don't try to be funny. Just be in the scene. And, you know, we shot 90 something hours of improvisation for those movies based on a, on a really clean and great and well-written outline. You know, all the scenes that are in the outline ended up being the scenes in the movie. They're exactly as, you know, as structured, um,

as originally structured, but the dialogue is improvised. And so, you know, we'd improvise 90 something hours, whatever, and they cut down to, Chris would cut it down to 92 minutes, I think. So you knew once you got going that there was going to be a lot of stuff that's just going to disappear, which takes a lot of weight off of, you know, the pressure of trying to be funny. But that was scary, but really fun. The thing that was fun about that

Waiting for Guffman is we kind of moved around in a group. We were all together, Parker Posey and Eugene and Fred Willard, God bless them. And, you know, we were all, we were together in a group. As the, with the other movies, we sort of, we were playing very different characters in their different worlds and then who came together, you know, for the event at the end, but we had our different lives going on. So it was really fun to sort of be introduced to the world of improvising a movie while

with that group there all the time. Eugene got really good at lowering himself out of a scene if he was going to laugh so they wouldn't blow the take. There's a car scene, a car dealership where Corky's showing us how to do his dance, which

I don't know if you remember, just pushing his pelvis forward and we're all trying to imitate it. And Eugene could not control his laughter, but instead of blowing the tape, he lowered himself out of frame. There was another scene in the library where we're doing another kind of rehearsal thing and Fred was really making Eugene laugh. So Eugene just snuck behind one of the library shelves, got his laugh out of his system and came back in the scene. Really fun. Sorry, I can't pick a favorite. I don't know. I don't know.

They were all, they were all, yeah, I love them all. I mean, it's hard. It's for me as Guffman, best in show, best in show.

I mean, they're perennial. Those are movies I have to watch once a year, for sure. For sure. And for your consideration, it's turned into a very good how not to lesson for Eugene and me. We keep reminding each other, you know, awards season. You know, you get into that world and people are talking about whether or not you're going to win. And we just keep reminding each other of the characters and for your consideration. Yeah.

OK, just let's just keep a perspective. Well, listen, you won. You won the Emmy this year. We didn't think we were going to because we were trained by that movie. So we did not expect it. That was a nice surprise. You won the Emmy this year. What was that? What was that like? Tell me, because I've never won one. What? What? What? Well, you should have. I don't know. I don't know. Surely you've been nominated. I have been. I'm a perennial bridesmaid.

Did you get sucked into the game when you were nominated? As Tom Hanks calls it, the trophy run. This is my favorite. He said that with no irony. He said, because, yeah, no, it's, you know, around the holidays, usually it's kind of involved in the trophy run. So and I thought, wow, that is the greatest. The trophy run.

And he has been many times. And he has been. It's like Ty Cobb said, it ain't bragging if you've done it. And he's done it many times. That's great. What was it like? Did you think you were going to win?

No, I honestly didn't. And I felt like I was getting set up because, you know, my agent kept sending me things, you know, pieces that said I was going to win. And I thought, no, I've seen this. I won't name names, but I've seen this happen to too many people where they're set up, you know. And I kept thinking of For Your Consideration, the movie. So, no, by Tom...

it was going to be announced, I convinced myself, no, I wasn't going to. And I wanted the show to win. I thought that would be so great for Eugene and Daniel. I really did want the show to win, but I did not, honest to God, didn't expect it. And was so happy to be with everyone. You know, we, I think Daniel talked to Eugene into having something. And so it was going to be a barbecue in Eugene's backyard. Then there was a whole COVID thing. And then they had, I think, 50 people invited.

two days before and they moved it to where we were, Castle Loma in Toronto. It's kind of an event place, it's Old Castle.

And then two days before the Emmys or before the party, the Ontario premiere changed the law so that it was maximum 25 people outdoors, maximum 10 indoors. They had to uninvite or disinvite half the people. And they were all people who had been nominated for the show. And of course, everybody we wanted to see and be with.

So that part was sad. But then we got there and then I looked around. We're all dressed up. We got I thought, how are we how do we have stylists for a for a Zoom thing? What are we doing? You could be you could be naked from the waist down. Nobody would know. Well, apparently you do find out. That's right. Oh, dear. What was he thinking? Yeah.

Yeah, so we got all dressed up. And when I got there, I thought, oh, this looks like we think we're going to win. This is almost too pretty and too fancy and too lovely. And we had this lovely dinner party. And they had two producers in a big screen and you could see the other nominees. And then they said, okay, and we all got tested, of course.

we're safe to be with each other, but we wore masks. And they said, but if you win, you're going to go up to a microphone. Oh, come on. That looks like we think we're going to win. Can we just stay in our seats if we win? And I'm not thinking we're going to. They said, well, everyone else is going to go to the microphone. Okay. So then I look like I can't walk. Okay. So I have to go if I, if I do, but I won't. So, okay. And they say, okay, we're about to start. And your category is the first one up. Just because it makes you feel kind of sickly, but yeah,

But then Jimmy Kimmel and Jennifer Aniston did that ridiculous bit with the fire burning up the car. And not for a second was I think, oh, hurry, get to it. I was just laughing, you know, silly bit. She kept she was so good with the extinguisher. Yeah. Yeah. I better go at it again. Yeah, this looks bad. And then he read my name and I have that card now to be Kimmel sent it to me. So great. Half burned away. But my name is still in there.

Yeah, and then, sorry, I've gone on way too long. And then Eugene won, and then Daniel won for writing, and then it got to Annie, and she's sitting beside me. And I said, it was about to announce her category. I said, now you have to win. Sorry, you actually have to win now. That's right. Now, yeah, now you have to. And she said, who do I apologize to first? So sad. It was insane. It was insane, and it just...

You know, we got nine in a row. It's amazing. And that's unusual for a category to be lumped. But they don't usually lump all the, you know, one category together, do they? No. No. So it really became un-Canadian and greedy after a while for us. And so we got through the nine awards together.

all the comedy. And then they, then they cut off our feed and then we're all just kind of stunned, screaming, looking at each other. And Noah, uh, redo plays Patrick on the shows that you realize no other shows won anything yet. It's like, Oh, this is wrong. This is too much. It's just too much. That. Yeah. Cause they, they, they, that was the year that they, like you said, it was comedy. And then they went to drama instead of alternating back and forth. So you guys just steamrolled everybody.

That was, yeah. And of course we expected all of that, didn't we? Yes. Oh, of course. So let me ask you this. If you, if you, God forbid, are ever evacuated again, what do you, and you can only take one thing. Is it the Emmy or the, or, or is it your order of Canada? No, I think it'll be a passport, the kids' pictures. Oh, that's so boring.

Well, you said one thing. Come on. What kind of mother human would I be? That's true. Mother first, human second. Which kid would you take? Let me ask you that. You only take one kid. Oh, my God. Kathy's choice? Kathy's choice. Kathy's Canadian choice. Which kid would you take? Oh, my God. Can you imagine? I know. Oh, no. Listen, I'm open to being lobbied, though. I mean, I fully...

fully like, and like would have no problem saying to my boys, look, I'm only taking one of you. What's in it for me? Oh, I would say you decide. Ooh. Oh, that's sickening. What a horrible thought. No, that's it. My kids are never living with me again. I want them to be somewhere else safe.

I like it. Do you know that trick with kids when they're mad about who's going to get the bigger size of something candy or the most of a drink? No. What trick is this? You say, okay, one of you will pour or divide it and the other will choose. Wow. And it makes every kid be fairer than they've ever been in their lives, dividing up whatever that is. Oh, the meticulousness.

It's a really good trick. Would then transpire. What a good, what a good thing. Where was that when I needed it? When I had these eight year old and six year olds running around my house. Yeah. Fighting over stuff. No, they did. Did they get along? Did they love each other? They did. Yeah, they really did. And still do. And now we're all back in the house. We're all still living. Like it's a, it's,

Your Schitt's Creek is the ultimate version of what we're living. I like to think of it as we're living in a failed sitcom because to me it's like every sitcom that doesn't work and yours did work where they're all back together. And it's been great. It's really been great. Everybody gets along and it's been really fun. And we've been catching up on great stuff on Netflix and watching you guys. Yeah.

Like in the show, I think adult children are getting to see their parents as humans, just adults. It's not like you have to be best friends, but you sort of, you know, I think I've stopped lecturing as much as I used to when I saw the once in a while. It's like you see the once in a while. It's like, I want to tell you everything I know about life right now. I have five minutes with you. But when you get to spend those days together, nights together,

You relax and you just start in a much healthier way. Start, I hope anyway, start letting each other be, you know, even kids let their parents be.

Yeah, there's there's when you're when you're going through what everybody has gone through and continues to go through. It just it just gets so real. It's real. It's like there's no there's no putting a brave face. There's no putting any face on it. It just is. It is what it is. And they I think it's been good for everybody to see, you know, the warts and all, you know, of because they you know, I think kids look at parents and think, you know, parents are these people.

unknowable figures, you know, and, and our kids and our kids are also mysteries to us and, and a lot of that's good. A lot of that is, is, is, is as it should be, but a lot, boy, you want to take the mystery out of something, live with people 24 seven for nine months. Right. But if you can survive, if you survive it, that's yeah. And if you can actually let each other be,

Give each other a little space if you're lucky enough to have some space. Yeah, it's good. I think we're all looking at how life could be different from now on, not with or without virus. Just I think we've really found out what things work and don't work and how many people can actually work at home. Wow. Well, I've been shooting my show, 9-1-1 Lone Star. We're back and

You know, Disney is our studio and the protocols are the most unbelievable. You know the famous shots of the astronauts walking down the gantry to get in? That's what it looks like coming from craft service. Wow. It's all boxed, right? You can't just go and order what you want. You order ahead of time. These are real problems, aren't they? You can't order ahead of time. But no, you can't go in like certain – everybody goes in different doors, right?

Everybody is like quadranted off. It's we have to wear two masks. We wear the mask mask and then the face shield.

Right. And I'm deaf in one ear anyway. So I can't hear much. And then I realize I've you I lip read so much. So I just I have no relationship with anybody anymore on my show at all because I can't I can't communicate. Oh, my God. Lip reading. I thought of this. Yeah. What happens with masks and lip reading? You just ask people to speak louder.

And you get tired of doing that. And eventually you just check out. And that's the really sad part is it really is too hard to...

To to to communicate. It's it's really rough. You know, but it's. I'm sorry, what? Mike, huh? Yeah. Then they lift it up to speak and you. No, you can't. No. Then then the the the sort of covid police jump in. Oh, yeah. How often do you have to get tested for your work? Yeah.

I get tested every three days. And honestly, my nose is starting to feel it. Like, I definitely...

Have a permanent, like, I'm aware of my nose. Yeah. Permanently. You get the swirl, though, not the stick in the brain. My nose hasn't felt like this since 1986 and, you know, Nels in Lower Manhattan with Andy Warhol. I would know. I never did that. That stuff. I do.

Saw too many people would be stupid. Couldn't get it in Canada. Believe me, tried. Oh, no, it was everywhere. I shot Youngblood up there. I know what was going on up there in 1984. I know it wasn't going on, unfortunately. But wait, are you producing the show? Because as an actor, you can't wear two masks, right? I'm yeah, as a producer, I'm wearing two, but I'm I'm rarely on the set when I'm not acting. But we wear the we wear the masks regularly.

for everything but actual shooting. So the rehearsals, like I said, are like really problematic. It's like, what? Yeah. It's very tough. Wow. Yeah. But at least we're working. Look, we're lucky. A lot of folks aren't working. We're alive. We're alive. We're alive. You're working. You're working enough for all of us. And, you know, my nose is happy to be getting attention again after so many years of...

Falling into disrepair. I have permanent damage from getting tested, the stick up the brain, from a sinus infection years ago. Oh. And I have, yeah, I have like perpetually just slightly runny nostril on my left side. And it's terrible. It's terrible for working. I'm always asking makeup artists, do I have anything? Poor girl has to look. Yeah, no, it's, you know what the phrase for that is? Are there any bats in the cave? Oh, yeah.

Gross. Ew. It's not bats, though. Gross. It's a very clean, tiny bit of liquid. That's all it is, okay? That's all it is. Bats in the cave. Hey, any bats in the cave? Ew. Well, this has been great. I love this. I love talking to you. I've been a fan forever. Thank you. A lot of people I get on the podcast. Me, too. Aw. I'm sorry. Thank you. I've been a fan of yours forever, too. Not as long, because you're a lot younger, but...

Nonsense. Listen, we both love Paul Lynde, so what else matters? Yeah, I'm going to leave this. I'm going to call our mutual manager. And I'm going to say you're fired unless you get me the role as Paul Lynde. Absolutely. And Catherine, who would – okay, we'll end with this. Who –

I want you to be in it. What character can you be? Can you play Sandy Duncan in the corner square? Would that be a thing? Oh, that's great. Oh, no, I don't know if you're Robin. If you know Robin Duke, she, she, uh, okay. She should play. She knows she's beyond a Sandy Duncan. Sure. She looks like her. Okay. Who, who would you be? Would Joey Heatherton, would Joey Heatherton be in there? I like Joey Heatherton. Slightly older Joey Heatherton. Who else is in that period? Oh, could you, could you play Wally Cox? Yes. I'll do anything for you.

I kind of like you as Wally Cox. I want to see you stretch those beautiful wings. Oh, yeah. What's his voice? I think he's just kind of... I think he's very nerdy and he's got a mustache that's like this. Very nerdy, but not... I don't really know the answer to that, Peter Lawford or whatever the hell his name is. Peter Marshall? Of course you don't. What do you know? You know nothing, Wally Cox. Absolutely nothing.

Who's the guy who used to be a match game? The old match game. Gene Rayburn. No, the guy who was basically Paul Lynn. Oh. His delivery was exactly like that. Oh, Nelson Riley. Oh, Charles Nelson Riley. Do you guys know who this is? Because all his answers were like that too. Charles Nelson Riley...

He was also Hoodoo in Lidsville. And if we start going down my Sid and Marty Croft rabbit hole, then it's great. Yeah. My husband designed Land of the Lost movie. No way. Yeah, that was all on stage. Oh, my God. The detail in those, the beautiful paintwork on those trees and vines. My favorite joke in the movie is,

is basically an homage to your husband then, because it's Will Ferrell in the temple where all the crystals are. Yeah. It's the Sleestack Temple or whatever. Sleestack. And he says, this looks like the set of a Telemundo telethon. It's my favorite joke in the show. That's great. That's great. And I swear at least once a week, one of us will say to the other woman, we'll say, not cool, Chaka.

Chaka. Cerise Tataka? Which is from that. Yeah. The fact that I know Chaka's language is deeply upsetting, even to me. Wow. You're an encyclopedia. Of bad television. Of something, yes. Of something. That's what my wife says. The great Catherine O'Hara.

Thank you. I usually a lot of folks on the show, I know it and have a long history with. And this is the other part of the show that I love is when I get to meet someone I've always admired and started and started history. So our history began today, just so you know. Yes, please. I want to become as good a friend to you as Daphne Guinness.

Oh, darling, I've got great stories. I'm going to send you some stories. I'm going to try to find some photos. I'll send it to you through our mutual manager. Excellent. And before you tell something funny, say, you won't believe how funny this is. Wait till you hear this joke. Oh, this is such a great joke. This is, wait, let me just, hey, you're going to love this. I'm going to kill myself. Thank you, darling. Thank you so much. God bless you. Stay safe, all of you. Thank you. That was fun. Bye-bye. Thank you. It was fun. Thanks.

That was fun. I love it. And I am going to go get on this Paul Lind thing. I'm going to get on it right now. By the way, I'm sure all of you listening have no interest in seeing me in that part. And I completely understand it. It doesn't mean I don't want to do it. I want to thank Catherine. She was so sweet to take time out of her busy day to talk to me. And it's inspired me to watch Waiting for Guffman again tonight. And if you've never seen Waiting for Guffman, get a life. It is amazing.

beyond belief or best in show but start with those because I'm assuming everybody's seen Schitt's Creek but trust me you won't go wrong and anyway I will see you next week thanks for coming back and by the way if you guys it'd be great if you give us a review on Apple we like that it's helpful for the show I read them so be nice to me because my feelings are easily hurt so go to Apple and give us some good stars alright bye

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