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Good afternoon, good morning, good night, wherever this may find you. It is literally, and I am Rob Lowe. Today, we have the, I gotta say, iconic, I gotta say iconic, Katie Segal, Peg Bundy, come on, Katie Segal, sons of anarchy, let's go. And also, don't sleep on 8 Simple Rules.
with the great John Ritter. And we didn't Futurama. I mean, that's some iconic stuff. And also just one of the nicer people, married to Kurt Suter, creator of Sons of Anarchy and Mayans. I mean, there's a lot going on. As they say today, there's a lot to unpack. So let's roll. Katie Segal. Hi, beautiful. How you been? I've been good.
Look how pro you are, man, with your studio and your... Oh, man. I mean, you give me 200 episodes, I can figure something out. Is that how many you've done? We're into the 200s now. Oh, wow. That's so great. Do you love it? I love it. I love it. It's everything I thought it would be and more because I get to have people on who I know really well, but the audience thinks they know, but they don't really know, right? Right.
Like, you know, Gwyneth Paltrow, I've known her since she was 16. And, you know, so everybody thinks they know Gwyneth and then she comes on the show. And then I have people that you and I have been in and around each other's lives, you know, forever. And then I get people who I do not know at all. And that's also fun, but super different. I mean, I feel like when it's friends, it's conversations. And when it's people I don't know, it's questions, right? Because I don't know them. I know. Does that make sense? Yeah.
Well, kind of like us, really. I mean, I'm just trying to think. I've been doing this for so long, like you. Do we know each other? How do we know each other? When do we know each other? I'm not sure. Because I know I know your wife, for sure. Yes. And maybe that's it. But I also know Joey. Oh, okay. So here's a good one. Here's a good one, audience. Deep cut. Katie's brother, Joey Segal.
was very deep in the cut with early Charlie Sheen. Yep. And Robbie Lowe and Chad Lowe. And Sean Penn and Nicolas Cage. And Nicolas Cage. Yeah. And in fact, when we were all making our backyard movies, have you ever seen Nix? You ever seen that movie, Nix? No. Starring your brother? No, you're kidding me.
No. Nix. Oh, I have to... No, I don't. Nix is a... I just hope Charlie has these movies somewhere. The Nix was... Here's the entire premise. Charlie directed it. Your brother stars in it. It's your brother waking up out of bed to...
The Beatles song. What is this? Oh, yeah. All right. Are you going to be in my dreams tonight? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that's the song, which, of course, is not licensed. We just put these put in the movie. And your brother goes to the mirror and shaves himself until his face is a bleeding pulp. That's it. That's the movie. Oh, my God. Wow. No, I've never seen that. I don't think that's on his reel either. Yeah.
I just know that it ruined that Beatles song for me. Wow. So you guys must have been, how old were you guys? 20s? 19? 18, 19. Now, were you in Peggy Fury? Not in 18, 19. I know I'm old, but I was 18 or 19. Now, Rob, were you in Peggy Fury's class? No. Okay, so peeps, Peggy Fury. Oh, I have a lot of feelings. Peggy Fury was the, the...
acting coach. Yes. And, um, I knew, but I did know Peggy's daughters very well. Ah, okay. Um, um, one of whom ended up marrying Jacob Dillon. Oh. I think is still with Jacob. Really? What are their names? I'll think of their names. So cute. Um,
But Peggy Fury was the acting coach with The Loft. Is that the name of it? The Loft? I don't know. You know, I am older than Joey, so I'm not quite sure what it was called. I just know that's how I knew Sean and Nick. I mean, everybody seemed to be in that world. I was not an actor at that time at all. I just wanted to be a rock star. That was my goal. Well, you kind of are. You've kind of had the best of both worlds. I didn't quite make it to rock star.
I kind of burned it down, but, you know, I'm happy the way things have worked. I still get to play music. Who is your ideal femme rock star? Like, when you think of a rock star, like, who would it be? Is it Joanie? Is it...
Chrissy Hines is it is it might be Chrissy Hines might be I mean a bit of Joan I mean Joanie is I mean yeah we're never gonna sleep on Joanie I don't even know if I put her in the rock star category so much as I would Chrissy or um I mean even Stevie Nicks you know all of that but um
When I was coming up, it was more about blues music. That's where I got into all this. I had a friend in high school who was a guitar player and he used to play Robert Johnson records for me and just old blues records. So that was my initial in and then the Rolling Stones. Well. Yeah. Okay. So have you ever met Mick?
Oh, no, I've never met the Rolling Stones. I met Paul McCartney. That was kind of cool. Really cool. Yeah. I'm sure you've met him. Have you met him? So nice. I've met both, and they're both equally... Paul is... You can't... He's legendary for me and me, because we all get to meet a lot of really interesting people. But Paul's a standout because he is the nicest, most unassuming...
iconic genius that I've ever met. I've met a lot of iconic geniuses to the extent that there are a lot, but I've never met anybody who's more unassuming, regular. Personable. And then Mick, on the other hand, makes a straight man question his sexuality. Really? Yeah. I had a dinner with Mick and I'll grant it. This is not 84-year-old Mick.
Oh, wow. But this is like, you know, 20, 25 years ago. Right. And, and he gives you those eyeballs, bats those eyes at you and is all flirty. And you go, wait a minute. I hang on a minute. Would I,
I might. Could I? I don't know. Just maybe. I always hear that about Warren Beatty. I've never met Warren Beatty, but my sister-in-law tells this story about meeting him in an elevator just for a second. And then he had this, he could make you feel like you were the only person on the planet in the, you know, just his, the way he would beam at you. So I've never met him, but yeah, there are people like that.
Let's face it, Warren Beatty probably invented the elevator pitch. Can you imagine how many elevator-like moments Warren Beatty has closed in his life? Yes, you're probably right. You're absolutely right. Man, he was hot. My man has bat 900 easily. Yeah, totally.
Back to the Stones, though, you know, my, actually, I was a more Keith Richards girl than a Mick Jagger girl. I mean, I love Mick, but I just love the way Keith plays. I love his rhythm guitar playing. I just think he's amazing. I had one of the hallmarks of my sobriety. I'm going to be 34, if I make it to May, I'll be 34 years sober. Wow.
37. I think I knew that. Yes. Congrats. We're old timers. We are. Oh, man. We are such old timers. We are such old timers.
Which, you know, that means whenever they ask you to speak, you got to speak, Rob. We need to have old timers speak. That's us. Oh, my God. I just committed to doing the Malibu meeting in June. I love the way they have to book speakers like eight months in advance. Yeah. Well, for those meetings, for sure. Those are like events. They're events. Yeah.
Darling, I only do events. I only play big at large houses. So early in my sobriety, I'm talking maybe four months. Right. I'm backstage, Rolling Stones, Paris. Wow. And I want to say Patty Hanson at the time, whoever Keith was with.
Comes up to me and says, Keith wants you to come back to the hotel and party. Oh, man. I had that moment of like, I would have lived my whole life hoping to party at the hotel with Keith Richards. Absolutely. Yes. And here I was and I didn't do it. See? Yeah.
You had the gift of desperation. You know, that's what we call it. When we finally stay sober, it's because we just know that door has closed, man. You know, if you open it one more time, don't know what's going to happen. Well, but we do know what's going to happen and it's always bad. I have, how many times have you heard people go, I got sober so young and I was really going through a hard time. And, you know, look, I get it. You know, I've been sober now forever.
four years, five years, 10 years, whatever it is. And I'm never going to go back to that. But, you know, like, I'm going to be in France for the summer. Right. And I just want to be able to have a glass of wine at dinner. And within like five weeks, they're arrested, falling overboard. Right? Yeah. Or in the hospital or in the mental hospital or in jail. You know, just... Yeah, it's really, you know, we think...
That's why I run into people all the time that say to me, like, you still go to those meetings? Why do you, what? And I just explain to them, I'm like, look, I have a disease that is bigger than me, that's cunning, baffling, and powerful. And I never know. I completely humble myself to it. And I need to hear that stuff all the time so that-
Because now, I'm sure you have this experience, Rob. It's not so much about picking up. It's the way I think. It's my thought process. It tells me, oh dear, nothing's going to work out. It's just that alcoholic way of looking at the world, which the longer I stay sober, the more spiritually aligned I am. That voice is quieted. Do you ever get the...
For me, when I'm not, when my mind isn't right, and I've been super lucky that my mind's been really pretty right for a few years now. I'm not having an off day here or there, but there was a time even in sobriety where like I'd have a great day. Everything's great. Everything's great. Long-term great. All great, great, great. No, no closet. Great. Wake up the next morning.
I'm going to be hit by a train for sure. Oh, yes. There's no doubt the train is coming down the tracks for no good reason. You ever have that? Oh, I have that. You know, when they say in the rooms, which I don't think people will completely understand this, but they say the road gets narrower. You know, the road gets narrower, I do believe, because those kind of thoughts still happen. And we still, I mean, we are quicker to understand.
to understand that that's an alcoholic way of looking at things. But yeah, absolutely. I wake up with that. I woke up with it actually...
Was it this yesterday? I woke up with it because I have so many things on my plate that I'm trying to organize and it's like too much for me. So I sort of feel like, oh my God, it's all going to, you know, I'm not going to be able to blah, blah, blah, blah. And then I just have to simplify. I have to come back to where my feet are and realize that everything will get done. You know, nothing is catastrophic.
And you know what helps me, Rob, is I sponsor a lot of people. I don't know if you do, but I work with newcomers and I really hear myself. You know what I mean? And so I say to them what I need to say to myself. You know, it's a very selfish way of being of service because it's of service to me as well as to them. Oh, for sure. Right? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay.
Yeah, I have a lot of people in my life, as I'm sure you do in recovery. A lot of old timers, a lot, and a lot of new ones. I mean, my son Johnny is in recovery. That's fantastic. How old is Johnny? He's 28. He's got eight years. Look, I love me a sober alcoholic. A sober alcoholic is my favorite person on planet Earth.
Wow. I feel the same. I love that, Rob. That's why we love each other. We must love each other right now. Yeah, for sure. There's a lot of love coming through the airwaves today because sober alcoholics, sober addicts, because look, they're so interesting, flamboyant, usually pretty smart. Yep. You know, it's all that stuff. And they're just a blast. You just don't want them to be
functional. Well, a blast. And also, I find for myself, a lot of my drinking and using was behind social anxiety. So I like to hang out with other people that
that also comes up for them. And so we can talk about it in the, in the, you know, yeah, like I'm in this room full of people and I don't really feel great. I don't feel comfortable because everybody's either getting loaded or they know each other and I don't know them. And I'm, you know, so I like the conversation with sober people for sure, where it just gets real. Yeah.
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And you, like me, have been married for many, many, many, many years. Oh, yes. You and Kurt have been married for many years, like Cheryl and I. Yeah, Kurt and I have been together, we'll be 20 years married this year.
And not as long as you guys, because I've been married. I was married a couple of times before Kurt. But yeah, and Kurt's got 30. It's today the 23rd. Oh my God, tomorrow is Kurt's sober birthday. I think he has 31 years. Gee, that's so amazing. I love that. Probably that's why his work feels so authentic to me around marriage.
Anything that's druggy, any sort of druggy storyline feels very lived, as they say, lived in, my new favorite phrase. Her husband, Kurt Sutter, for those of you, I'm sure you know, you know, Mayans, sons of anarchy. He made me get a motorcycle. Watching that show.
made me, literally that, watching that show made me get a motorcycle. How did Cheryl feel about that? She did not like it. And a leather vest, an accoutrement that I never thought I would ever want. But I wanted some of that really dirty, low-rent white boy kind of fashion. I hear you, man. Did you get some tattoos? Yes.
I only have one from the back in the day. And I'm thinking about maybe doing it because I was like, I want to do some of that shit. I want to like... I watched Kurt during the course of shooting Sons of Anarchy. He had like two or three. Now he's complete, full sleeps, full chest, full, you know, he's the tatted man. And...
Got me in there. I'm all tatted too. Oh, yeah. Now let me ask you a question. Your tats have color. Yep. Does it, do his have color as well? No, no, he's all black and white. I just wanted to, I have both. I have black and white on my leg and I have color on my arms, but, um,
Yeah. No, I hear you. There's something. I'm in Mexico City right now. I've never seen so many tattoos. Every person everywhere has tattoos. It's pretty awesome. Really? Yeah. It's a thing. I think you got to go out there, Rob. Maybe, you know. You know what? Maybe I'll do, because I've been toying around. My tattoo that I still have, I got right as I got sober and it was my, I'm still crazy. I still got it tattoo. Yeah.
Right? It was like, I may be sober, but I'm wild. What is it of? It's, well, now it looks like a blob. It literally, and so I need to get it covered up. It was a koi fish, like a traditional Japanese tattoo, like super Japanese traditional. And now it's all fucked up. But here's what I've learned.
that fucked up old tattoos are actually a thing. This is what I'm, this is what I'm being told. How so? That they're, in that, it's been like, you don't, no, no, no, you don't touch that. That's like, it's like an antique. Oh. It's like an antique original piece of art. Oh, interesting. That's what, I mean, listen, viewers, listeners, viewers, listeners, please call the low line and tell me if I'm right about that or if somebody's just give, just pulling my leg because I want to get it
shimmed up. They're like, no, don't touch it. But does that mean like if you have your first girlfriend on you, like that's sacred? No, no, no. That's different. That's different. You're talking about an art piece. A piece of art by a major tattoo artist that has been lived in for 30 plus years. You know? That makes sense. That actually makes sense to me. Yeah. I would think because there's some amazing tattoo artists. I mean, really incredible artists.
Now, first of all, why are you in Mexico City? I'm shooting a movie. I'm shooting a movie called Trust with Sophie Turner. And you're going to ask me who, I think it's for A24. I'm not quite sure, but that's what I'm doing. I'm doing a movie, which I've never been to Mexico City, so I was very excited to come. I haven't seen much of it yet, but today, after all this, I'm going to go wander about.
And, you know, I'm just a little pissed off I didn't listen in Spanish class because I can't... Me neither. It just makes me crazy I had three years of Spanish paid. I was stupid. We had in Malibu Park Junior High, you could take French or Spanish. And I was like, well, I can either practice my Spanish everywhere around here, or I can go to...
France, which is fancy. Nobody speaks French anymore. No, I mean, really almost nobody. I made a bad decision. But it's pretty sexy. French is pretty sexy. Can you speak it? Un petit peu. Mais oui. So stupid. No, in Spanish, you know, Spanish is about to be the number one language. I mean, how, like, it's, I feel so lame. Sure. I know. I know I need to ask you about France.
You, you need to talk to me about, we lost one of the greats this year, Norman Lear, who you had, he was your godfather. Is that right? Am I getting this right? How does Norman Lear become your godfather? Norman introduced my parents. My mother worked on the Lux, the Jerry Lewis Dean Martin Lux Hour. She was a script supervisor. This is, you know, in the day. Okay.
And that was Norman's show. And Norman had met my father, who was a director while he was directing Yiddish theater, and put them together, introduced them. And they got married and made me. I wouldn't be here without Norman. And then Norman was just, was my godfather. He was him, Bud York, and, you know. Oh, my God. All the early TV guys, even Leonard Nimoy was around. I mean, this is when they were...
they were coming up. And, um, so Norman was the last, my parents died when I was young and, um, uh, Norman was kind of the, the last hope makes me emotional because he was the last hope, the last connection that I really had to, to my parents. And, um, um,
Yeah, that's how Norman was my godfather. And he would call me on the... I mean, Norman's the guy... I got hit by a car about three years ago. I was fine. I was fine. I fractured a few things. I'm in the hospital, first day, the first call I get is Norman to make sure that I'm okay. He was just that guy with his busy, busy world here. He's calling me. And...
Yes, I absolutely adored Norman. What a life. What a wonderful man. Did you know Norman? I only went to a couple of like political fundraisers at his house and I really didn't get a chance to get to, he's one of the, he's, there are a few that got away, right? There are a few in the list that I go, how did I never spend any? He's one of them.
but his work, obviously. And such a menchie dude. And so funny. I mean, up until, I think I saw him like a year ago. I ran into him. Well, this would happen a lot. I'd see him wandering around the country mart, you know, the Brentwood country mart. And there he is with his hat and his ponytail. And I, you know, he was old. And I would come up, I would say, Norman, it's Katie. And he'd look at me and go, I know. I mean, he was just so with it. You know what I mean? And, um,
Yeah, I had just spoken to him, actually. He'd call me up. He'd say, hey, you want to do Maud? I'd say, sure, let's do Maud. So tell me of those great Norman shows. You did Maud. What was that like? No, I didn't do Maud. He called me up just last year and said, let's redo Maud. Oh, to redo it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, that'd be fantastic. I know, it would be fantastic. It would be great. But, you know...
Who knows? Whatever. You know, I said... I mean, you never know. You never know, yeah. Yeah, because you would have been too young to be in any of the classic Normans. No. Yeah, probably. Yes, absolutely. Yeah, Norman is definitely way older than me. I mean, one of the few that is, but...
And I say that lovingly and kindly to myself. I don't say that like a diss. No, it's a good thing. I mean, I turned 60 this week. Nice. I'm into it. I'm down. I feel great. I think it's, I mean, what's the alternative, right? I know. Well, and for those of us that, you know, hear about people losing their, you know, I'm just grateful. All of it's gravy as far as I'm concerned.
You know who I see all the time when I go to Hawaii? I see your TV husband, Ed O'Neill. Oh, yes. He has a place there. He loves Hawaii.
He, there's no one funnier. I mean, his stories are, and he's done the podcast. He's beyond belief. First of all, he drives around in this like weird Vespa motor scooter that's like powder blue. No way. And it's so like not, it is not a Kurt Suter hog. Let's put it that way. Oh my God.
He's so funny. He does? Because he doesn't wear a helmet, right? So he's just... Oh, he wears like a... Remember Kazoo on the Flintstones? Uh, no. The little alien that came down from outer space in the Flintstones. He looks like Kazoo. Yes, yes. Wow. He has the blue helmet.
It's very not what you think at all. No, he's funny. But he's a funny, funny, funny, funny man. He's a funny dude, man. That job was incredible. I mean, I've worked with really funny people. I worked with Ed. I worked with John Ritter. And, you know, just pee in your pants funny every single day.
So, I've been really, I love Ed. Ed is great. Made me laugh. And Ritter was, when I was in drama class in junior high, I would watch Three's Company and then we would just redo the episodes in drama class. Yeah.
And I always played John Ritter because he's a murderer. You didn't play Chrissy. I didn't play, of course, yes. Chrissy. What was Ritter like? Again, another one I never got to know. He was the kindest person
Like an angel. I mean, really. I mean, I think he had, you know, like most funny people have sort of the quiet, dark side. I think that that was there too. But he was so giving as an actor. And, you know, here's my John Ritter story. So after I played Peg Bundy for 11 years, it was hard for people to not see me as that. Just as him with Tripper. You know, he too. Yeah.
So ABC cast him in this TV show, which come to find out later, he had to go read too. Oh boy. And they didn't want to bring me in because they didn't want it to be Jack Tripper and Peg Bundy.
So here's my favorite thing. My favorite thing. We wouldn't want it to be two of the most iconic, funny people on television. We will not stand for that. No, no, no, no. I mean, it was really, it was wild. So I go in to read. I had to go read with him. I had done a movie with him a couple of years before. So we knew each other and I come in and, you know, do you remember those days? I don't know. Did you have to audition for things? I mean, you're like a star, weren't you? I had auditioned for the West Wing.
I had to read for it. Really? Yes. Wow. Oh, probably because you too have that. Yes, it was what it was. That persona that follows you around that this is who you are. That's right. But yeah, so I was at that place where like people were not sure that who I was going to be. And John, I remember going to the audition and he took me aside. He said, you're my choice. You're the one. And was so, you know, embracing and kind of insisted. I mean, we were great together, so it worked out, but
And then he was just that guy. I mean, have you interviewed Kaylee yet? I haven't interviewed her yet, but she and I work together and I adore her. I just adore her. Well, you know, John really took her under his wing and she was, you know, she was 16 years old and he, he adored her. She adored, I mean, she was the greatest John Ritter audience I've ever seen. She, she just soaked him up. Yeah. And, and we all did, you know, he was, um,
That was a big, that was a tragic loss. That was so weird. Yeah. Just very strange. I feel him. I don't know if you have this. This might be a little too woo-woo, but I can feel energy around and I feel John Ritter around a lot. Oh, I have that. By the way, same person, a heart issue. My great friend, Bill Paxton, the actor. Yes. Same. I feel Bill Paxton.
all the time like i don't even feel my mother all the time who passed away years ago right but i feel i feel bill like literally like it's bizarre yeah i have the same with john where i'm just kind of i just feel like he kind of looks after me or something i don't know it's weird you know he was that big a heart he you know no pun intended uh
But he was amazing. How great is he in Sling Blade? Oh, amazing. So great. I mean, to me, he was a very underrated dramatic actor. Talk about not being able to get over your trope of the Jack Tripper of it all. I mean, he...
He really, he was very well-rounded, more so than anybody knows. He's a revelation in that movie. If you haven't seen, for instance, Sling Blade is one of the great movies ever made. So great. And Billy Bob Thorpe. And, oh gosh, Dwight Yoakam.
Oh, that's right. Dwight Wilkham is great in that movie. Beyond belief. It's, well, anybody who cares anything about acting, if you haven't seen it, you must immediately tonight watch it. Yeah. So good. But he's, John, you're like, John Ritter, the Jack Tripper? Really? I know. Yeah.
Which, you know, that's my thing is I always feel like super, not super easy, but way easier for funny people to kill in drama than drama people to kill in comedy. In fact, if you think about it, I don't know the last time a like decorated drama person did kill it in a comedy because I can tell you the reverse all the time. Oh, yeah, absolutely. Now I'm trying to think too.
There's no hilarious Daniel Day-Lewis comedy, I can tell you that. No, none of those. No, I agree with you. I think that was part of my frustration trying to switch over and thank God, Kurt wrote me that role in Suns.
And, you know, the network stood behind it, which was like, I mean, because I'd had to, I remember when I did Lost, I had this big arc on Lost. And those guys made me come in, just like you had to audition for West Wing. I had to probably go in like three times to read for this role before they would give it to me. And I always felt, I don't know if you feel this way, I feel like I'm a comedic actor if the writing is funny. I do not feel like
Like, I'm just funny. And I just really feel much more dramatic. So dramatic. As an actor, as a person. So I thought that was an interesting, I was very grateful that Kurt wrote me that role. How did he tell you? Did he say he was going to, did he tell you he was going to write it? Was it a surprise? Was it a discussion? How does that work in the marriage scene?
Well, he had pitched this idea to FX and they bought it and he wanted me to, she was originally written as sort of a Nancy Marchand, you know, like in Sopranos, which was sort of a smaller mom role. And when he brought it to the network, the network wanted the idea of Hamlet, which is basically, is it Hamlet or Macbeth? It's one of those. Macbeth.
And so they wanted to make the mom part bigger. That was sort of what they saw. So he wrote it as a smaller role and the network made it bigger. It was fantastic. And he, you know, my marriage is so supportive of each other, I would say. And he was so...
understood what it was that I could do and my frustration around not being able to really dig dig into something and he just stood by it and um you know it's kind of a testament to um to a good marriage that's what I would say right and so uh he presented it to me I was super excited very excited so amazing did I'm trying to remember and I know I should know this did
He directed a lot of them, didn't he himself? He did. He directed a lot of the finales. Did he direct the pilot? No, he didn't direct the pilot. That was, I can't remember. You know, we did that thing where you reshoot most of the pilots. So there was one director, then there was another director, and there was some recasting that went on. But he directed quite a few. And then he was in it. You know, Kurt is an actor. Yeah.
He's actually comes from that. That's why he's a good director. I love directors that are also actors, right? The best. To me, you know, like I love Adam Arkin. I love to work with him. I love Adam. Adam's a very, very good friend of mine. Isn't he a great guy? The best. And I've never, I've never, I've worked with him as an actor on West Wing, but never as a director.
Oh, he's a great director. We have a very, we had to do a scene once that we always bring up in Sons of Anarchy, which was in an orphanage with babies. And I literally had to put a gun to a baby's head. I mean, it was so dark and Adam was the director and we were so freaked out that that's what we had to do. And so whenever, that's our story that we always go to when we...
when we run into each other. But I see him quite a bit. Yeah. Whoever sees first gives Adam a hug. I will. I probably see him this week. He's the absolute greatest.
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Qualifying plan required. Wi-Fi were available on select U.S. airlines. Deposit and Hilton Honors membership required for 15% discount terms and conditions apply. What is... So you got this movie. By the way, I love that you don't know...
The studio, it reminds me of, it reminds me of a time I, you know, these independent movies, they come and they tell you somebody's attached and you never really know and it's all bullshit half the time. Right. And somebody sent me some fucking script and we're like, and Christopher Walken's doing it. I'm like, I don't know. So I, but I happen to know Chris, so I called him and I said,
And I said, Chris, where am I calling you from? This area code is really weird. He goes, oh, I'm in Oklahoma. I go, what are you doing? Making a movie. I go, what is it called? Uh, murder something. I'll never forget. Uh, murder something. Something, right. Well, yes, I've done those. And I also, this one I kind of, um,
I really liked the script. And I have a nice supporting role where I'm not... Sophie does all the heavy lifting, not me. It's a nice supporting role. So it's great. Well, enjoy Mexico City. I will. I haven't been there in years. I know. I want to go to the Frida Kahlo house and the Humix Museum. Have you heard of that one? Yes, I have.
I don't know. Oh, and wait. Oh, the other thing. How have we talked about you and Curtin not mentioned your podcast? You got to walk me through this podcast. I'm super excited. I know nothing about it except the fact that you two are doing it makes me want to listen. That's all I know.
Yes. Well, we launch, I don't know all the dates. You'd have to talk to our producer, but it's soon. It's called Pi. It's called People, Influences, and Experiences. It's similar probably to what you're doing in that we're meeting people. Mostly we're meeting people we don't know because we actually don't know a lot of people. We are not very, like sometimes I'll listen to, what's the one? Smart List. Yes. Smart List podcast.
Feels like those dudes know everybody on the planet. Well, listen, here's the thing about smart lists. Don't get me started on smart lists. First of all, I love smart lists. I love those guys. They're so funny. But it's an unfair advantage. There are three of them. And they're all great. So it's like you can't compete. There's no competing.
Well, when I listen to them, I feel like I'm the kid that's left out at school because I don't know anybody. I'm like, you know, we're very not, you know, first of all, I kind of come up from music. So I didn't go to acting school. I didn't blah, blah, blah, blah. So I don't know a lot of actors. And Kurt too, we're just kind of like, you know,
I don't know. Anyway, so the point is that our podcast is more about, we don't do a lot of research and we really are trying to meet people and not talk so much about their work, but more about their family, their upbringing, their, you know, how they parent, you know, because we find it so interesting to,
being married and raising children and how our, our history influences that. So, and then our, our big hook is that at the end of every episode, we ask our guests to tell us their favorite pie and we eat pie and we ask them why that's their favorite pie. And,
which usually is some like wonderful childhood something. You know, it's like we had Rainn Wilson on and he was like, we had to find some obscure berry pie from Oregon. You know, there was a whole story behind the pie. Oh, I got, I got, well, I really want to do your podcast because I have got a very serious pie storyline in my life. Very serious. Oh, fantastic. Well, don't tell me. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lay it out here, but it is a big deal.
Love that. Yes. Yes. So that's kind of what our podcast is about. And we just, we don't do any research. That's the other part. Because we're a little bit lazy. We don't want to do too much research. We'd rather just come in at a cold. I...
Agree with that. I agree. I think there's, one of the reasons I started the podcast was I felt like interviews that were out there in the world for people were so structured.
And so, you know, the same things over and over. And I think the way to get around that is to know just, it's the way I've run my life. I know just enough, just enough to get by and certainly not a lot. That's kind of the way I roll. Me too. And it's, you know, I tend to be a bit of a self-centered alcoholic. That's what I would say. That's what it is. That's what it is. It is. It's the alcoholic preparation. I don't think I know too much about myself.
So, yeah, it is sort of our way of... We thought our hook, too, was to be a married couple doing it, which is, you know, we like that concept. Yeah, for sure. As long as he doesn't offend me on air. We'll see. He's very irreverent. Very irreverent. But that's also what people want. Well, this is great. Thank you. I'm going to be...
checking out pie thanks rob you are fucking amazing i love this is so great and lots of stuff for us to do pie okay great awesome all right thanks darren bye love you bye bye i don't know about you but i'm now she's put pie in my head and my my diet is screwed i'm like i'm i'm fumbling stumbling bumbling to marie calendar's house of pies god damn it
I hope you had fun. I had fun. She's a lovely, lovely woman. And as usual, it's time to check the lowdown line. Hello, you've reached literally in our lowdown line where you can get the lowdown on all things about me, Rob Lowe. 323-570-4551. So have at it. Here's the beep.
Hi, Rob. Love your podcast. Love you. I'm thinking back to the 80s in a movie called Class. And because I love Jacqueline Bessette so much, I would like you to talk about what was it like making that movie with her? Thank you so much. Bye-bye.
Well, thank you for listening to the podcast. Thank you. Jackie, as we called her, Jackie Bissett, I never did know which it was. It might've been Bissett. She was amazing. She was so beautiful, first of all. And my main memory was she was very uncomfortable having a child my age.
on screen and I didn't really get it. Now I'm 60. I get it.
Um, and so there are only three pictures, I think, in existence of us on screen together because she didn't want to be photographed with me because she, I was like, you know, we are making a movie, Jackie. They're going to see the movie. They're going to know. But, um, she's very, very, uh, very worried about that. And she was as lovely in person as you would think. And, um,
her performance is fantastic in that movie and um it was the first time i had really
ever been around, um, you know, like a star who, who really knew how to light themselves. You know, she had her own special lights that were, you know, which I've learned a lot from. Um, it's amazing when actors understand that it's super, super helpful. Um, and, and it was, it was great. We did all her stuff sort of at once. So you just came in and went out and then Andrew and I did the rest of the movie. And, um, uh,
I'm very honored to have her as, as I know she hates for me to say it, but she was my mother and it was an honor. Cliff Robertson and Jacqueline Bessette is your mother and father. It's pretty dope. Thank you for the call. Um, we've got some pretty cool people coming up on the show. So, um, don't forget to spread the word, um, download the rest of the menu. Get 200 of these. Come on now. I expect everybody to work their way through all of them.
And I will see you next week on Literally. You've been listening to Literally with Rob Lowe, produced by me, Sean Doherty, with help from associate producer Sarah Begar and research by Alyssa Growl. Engineering and mixing by Joanna Samuel. Our executive producers are Rob Lowe for Low Profile, Nick Liao, Adam Sachs, and Jeff Ross for Team Coco, and Colin Anderson for Stitcher. Booking by Deirdre Dodd. Music by Devin Bryant. Sponsored by...
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