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Well, today is a super interesting one because Paris Hilton is with us. And this woman created the influencer movement, truly. Before Twitter, before Instagram, before any of it, there was Paris Hilton. And I don't think it's overstating what that has wrought, both good, bad, and indifferent people.
Whenever you're at the beginning of a movement, there's going to be a lot to talk about. And I also go way back with our family. So this will be super fun. Let's go to Paris. We don't have to get on the Concorde. We don't have to travel. We're going to Paris. Why did you shut the club down? Because I got married and grew up. Darn it. It happens to the best of us. So you may have had the longest, from what I can tell, honeymoon that I've
Ever heard of? Give me the itinerary again. It was almost two months. So it was a seven and a half week honeymoon. We started off in Bora Bora and then we're in Anguilla and Harbor Island and
And then we went to London and Dubai, Maldives. You've mentioned my two favorite. I'm actually going to Bora Bora this week. I've been there a lot. My two favorite places in the world are Bora Bora and the Maldives. Me too. They're so beautiful. It's paradise on earth. It's a commitment, particularly the Maldives. I mean, I think it might be the farthest place.
Like if you look at the globe, the single farthest place away from Los Angeles. It's definitely worth the trip. So, you know, I go way back with your family. I mean, when I was a kid, Kim Richards was...
And she still is. But like, she was the shit. I mean, she was, she was kind of had the market cornered on Disney, right? She and Jodie Foster, don't you think? Definitely. Like iconic. So many amazing films. They were just going for it in those days. Escape to Witch Mountain, right? Watched that so many times as a kid. I loved it. Yeah.
What was it like living in the Waldorf Astoria as a young, you basically were like the girl from the plaza, except you were in the Waldorf Astoria, right? What's the name of the famous? Eloise. Eloise. Were you Eloise? Were you actually Eloise? My sister and I always used to joke and call ourselves that, but yes, it felt like being Eloise.
And we loved living at the Waldorf. It's just such a beautiful hotel and so many exciting things are always happening. So we were always sneaking downstairs to the ballroom and going to all these big events. And yeah, it was always very exciting at that hotel. Were you crawling around under the table during the black tie events and stuff like that? Yeah.
That's what I would have been doing. We were walking around, getting all dressed up. You were an actual debutante, yes? Yes. What is the process? Walk me through it. It feels like another world to me. It's just a lot of etiquette classes and dancing lessons and
And then when we do the debutante ball in Paris at the Hotel Creon, that's when they have the guys come in and you have like your date and you do the dances together. So you have to go to Paris. There's not a big hoopla thing in New York City or you do New York City and then you go to Paris? Yeah, I did both. But Paris is the big one. Were there any bad boys? You're like, oh, yeah. Okay, this guy just threw his tux on, but he wants to throw down. He's not having any of this.
like cotillion crap. Like there must've been like the bad boy that everybody's like, yeah, he's the one. Yeah. There's always the bad boy in every single group. Definitely. Yeah. I feel like that would be a fertile ground. So, I mean, you grew up in this, this world, you know, with Lionel Richie and,
Michael. You're friends with Michael Jackson, right? Yeah, my mom and him grew up. So they were best friends since they're 13 years old. So I grew up with him my entire life. And he was just such a legend and so amazing and so kind and sweet. Did you ever go to Neverland? Yes, many times. I've been there post Michael and it's very different now. All of the
you know, the amusement park stuff, all that it's all gone. Oh my God. That was iconic. I can't believe that they would take away all the rides. What ride was your favorite? I'm trying to remember. There was just so, it was just kind of like this whole like fun felt like you're like almost in like a little Disney world. Well, the Disneyland train station has is still there with the flowers and all of that. That's still there. The train track, but like none of the animals, none of the stuff. And what people don't realize about
Neverland, which is super interesting, and I can't remember the name of the original owner, but he was a super rich, I think probably a billionaire. And he sent a team out throughout the United States and money was no object. And they were supposed to report back with the single most beautiful property they could find. So they looked in Colorado and Montana and all over the place. And what came back was Neverland.
So, even before Michael bought it and turned it into what he bought it, it was a spectacular piece of land. And now, who owns it? I want to say Ron Burkle owns it. Oh, nice. Yeah. Did you go to the dance studio? That's still there. Oh, really? Okay, that's good that they kept that.
Not only do they keep it when you, but there's a circle in the middle of the floor that has been worn out by Michael doing his spins. Oh, that's amazing. It's really super cool to see. And so when you made Simple Life, by the way, I love Simple Life. I think Simple Life is amazing.
One of the great shows. It looks like you had fun in spite of it, right? It was so much fun. I had no idea what I was getting myself into since this was one of the first reality shows. Yeah. I had never been on camera before. I didn't really know what to expect. But I'm so happy that I did it with Nicole because we were best friends since we're two years old. And we just, I don't know, we just have fun no matter what we do or where we were. So...
It definitely made it. I'm so happy it was her that was with me along for that whole ride because it was just hilarious the whole time. There's no one funnier. I was just laughing the whole time. And we met a lot of really sweet and cool people and got to like go all over America. And it was awesome. What did you travel in? Did you actually travel in it? Like, how did they get you around the country?
Well, the first season we were just at one house in Arkansas. So we just had our pink pickup truck. And then for the other seasons, like we had another pink pickup truck that had like a little like trailer, um, Airstream attached to it, uh, that I had to drive, which was pretty difficult. You mean you didn't grow up driving an, uh, an Airstream trailer through, through the streets of Manhattan. People, I don't think realize that.
making reality television. I did a show with my sons where we chased around supernatural tales. It was kind of like, I don't know, picture Anthony Bourdain, Parts Unknown meets Scooby-Doo called The Low Files. And it was basically an excuse for me to hang out with my boys and like,
you know, go up into the mountains and look for UFOs or whatever. It was super fun. But boy, you work hard. You work your ass off. Yeah. It's, it seems like it's easy. Like, Oh, there's no script. And they just, they're the camera. I've never worked harder, never worked longer. Um, it's a totally different vibe. And that was one of the, as you say, the original reality shows. Yes. Um,
And back then, we were shooting 24 hours a day and they were very strict. They literally took away our phones. They didn't want us having any outside distractions. They told all of the crew members, do not talk back to them. So if we asked for something or tried to communicate with them, they would just not say anything. So Nicole and I were really on our own. It wasn't like we were stopping and they were telling us what to do. It was just all real.
Holy smokes. Did you ever try to like blink in Morse code? Get me out of here to like second AD or the director of photography? Get me. There were some times where we were just like, oh my God, like we want to go home. We were just having FOMO of everything happening in LA and it was so boring sometimes. And the dad gave us like a strict curfew and
We were not into that. So we would sneak out at night and there's, there was no clubs. Hardly. There was like these really random bars, like cowboy bars and places that we went to. So yeah, the nightlife out there was definitely not LA. No, you have to, you're definitely, I would say the original influencer. I mean, I think that,
Like Ty Cobb says, it ain't bragging if you've done it. You, I mean, you invented what is now just a accepted, baked into the DNA of our culture of an influencer. And it was, was Twitter even a thing yet? I don't think it was. No. No iPhone, nothing. I had no publicist, no agent, no stylist. I,
Literally, it was just being myself and going out and getting photographed. Anytime someone becomes an it person, and there's always going to be an it person, I kind of think that if there isn't an it person, the machine will make one up because there has to be somebody. There has to be somebody who occupies the imagination of folks, both in terms of legitimate affection and interest,
And also what they call hate watching. And some people get more of the other, some people get more of this, some is just one or the other, but there's always going to be somebody there in that, in that moment. And you look back at the old school ones, like way before, you know, you were, you were I like, um, uh, you know, Jane Birkin, they named a bag after her at Hermes or, um,
Edie Sedgwick, who was the... Those are like way more quaint versions of what it person has become. But you were there at the beginning of the modern version. Yes, the OG. The OG. What do you think was the... Why you? Why then? Have you ever tried to figure that out? I never really thought about it. I think that maybe there's just something...
magical about certain people that attracts that attention. Time and place and energy. Well, look, you have to have some sort of... It has to be something. It can't and doesn't just happen to anybody. But I also feel that that groundswell was there and you were there and it made sense. What was the edge spot? When I was...
in the 80s and doing my young trailblazing craziness, you'll laugh. Literally, I'm not kidding. Don't laugh. And I'm not, really was the place.
the hard rock cafe. Really? Really, really. Oh yeah. We're going to meet at the hard rock cafe. And there was like the, the doorman and people lining up. And it's like looking back and looking back, it's like, it was like, what's the step away from the fucking olive garden to meet at TGI Fridays. That's what it was. And what was it for you guys? It was like, and I kind of know some of the names cause my sons are a little bit
younger than you. So is it, what were the big clubs that you went to and how were they different than my 80s experience? Well, it was definitely not the hard rock. That for sure. It was different every single night. Like Mondays was always at Dublin's and Tuesdays was at Guy's. Guys. Oh, yes. Thursdays is a place called Pop. Then it just changed. LA is very like
like picky about places like a place will be hot for like a few months and then they renovate it and change the name again so I've seen a lot of clubs just you know come and go because things in this town just don't last that long music
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Qualifying plan required. Wi-Fi were available on select U.S. airlines. Deposit and Hilton honors membership required for 15% discount terms and conditions apply. What makes a good club for you? If you could, well, you're sitting in what used to be your own club in your own house. What makes a good club? What makes a bad club?
Well, I don't go out anymore like I used to. I only will if I'm working, if I'm doing an event there or DJing or performing. But other than that, I don't really enjoy it anymore. But for a club to be good, it's definitely all about the crowd, the lighting, the music, the vibe. And yeah, just who's around you. I have a theory. Like I go, why are clubs whenever I get dragged to one now?
Why are these? It's not just that I'm older. It's not. They're different. And I'm trying to think of like why they're different. And here's my theory. My theory is that bottle service killed the clubs. It made the money and it's, it was a game changer economically, but the, the, I just can't abide the sparkler magnum being brought through the people. It's so gross to me. And I,
And it brought a level, a whole other level into where it used to just be dark, secretive. And people from all walks of life could come in because it wasn't expensive. So you could literally rub shoulders with anyone. No one was saying, pay X amount of money to sit at this table. That stuff, to me, changed everything.
Everything. And you're from New York. Those clubs were really hardcore in the day. It was like people from all walks of life. I don't think anybody was making any money, really, not even the club owners.
So God bless him for figuring out a way to make money. But what a novel thought. Money killed the fun. Gee, I wonder if that could be said about show business as well. I need to think about that. Yeah, I would agree with that. I think definitely before all of that, it was just that you got in because especially in LA, it was like only people that they knew would get in and it would not happen.
be just like all the random people who could like pay just to be there. Yes. And then social media is what really killed it because we all used to be able to go out and it would be just amazing night. No one was bothering each other or taking photos or videos. And now as soon as you walk in, everybody has their iPhone up. They're all asking for selfies. Everyone's filming. No one's in the moment. Everyone's just like either staring at their phone to like
you know, put out a picture, edit a photo or they're filming the whole time. So no one's really in the moment anymore. They're all just too concerned about what's going to be on social media, which has just totally ruined the vibe. When your kids are old enough to get their phones, their smartphones, do you, have you figured out, or I'm way ahead of you. You just barely got married, but, um,
What would be your philosophy on it? My kids were just at an age where they we didn't have to deal with it. They were the last generation that did not grow up with the smartphones. Do you have a sense of when is too young for kids to be on Instagram and whatever? Yeah, I think it's just very toxic, especially for a young girl, you know, with all these things.
beauty standards that are not even real and then you have the trolls coming on and make doing weird comments and then other weird people like trying to come in and do God knows what so that's scary to me because You know, it just I feel like it just keeps morphing into something and it keeps getting kind of worse So I can't even imagine, you know, like I
whatever, 10, 15 years from now when I have a teenager, it's going to be... Yeah, just wait. Just wait till you're... I'm scared. My brother Chad's got three girls under the age of 13. And my niece just turned 13. And so far, she doesn't cheat and take her or leave it. But just wait. What do you have teenagers? They're relentless. I've never felt more battered than I did
than when I had my teenagers beating the living crap out of me to get what they want. I love my boys dearly, but holy sweet Jesus, when Friday, starting Thursday, I would gear up for what I knew was coming on the weekends. And it was, can we do this? Can we do that? And you knew you were always getting lied to, for sure. But you thought, of course, you were the one parent that
your kids are going to be straight with you. They're never straight. That's part of being a parent. And, you know, and I know you're a huge, and I want to talk to you about this. You're a huge advocate in, in this world. But, um, and then inevitably teens are their job in life is to get in trouble. So they learn that's why they're there to push boundaries,
So they can learn what works, what doesn't work, experiment with alcohol, experiment with drugs. So they learn that relationship so they can figure it out and you just hope they survive. And that's your job as a parent. As far as I can tell, is just to get them to survive.
or not make some sort of mistake that irreparably damages them or somebody else. And one of the ways people do it, as you know, and you've written about it and you're a huge advocate for it, is sending them away, whether it's camps or rehabs and like anywhere else, there are good ones and there are bad ones. But your experience with that was super fascinating for me to read about because people don't think of
the sort of underbelly of it that you are spending a lot of time talking about. What is, if you, you have a, did you create the phrase, the phrase troubled teen industry? Did you create that phrase? Explain it to me. I mean, I know what it is, but I'd like to hear it in your words. No, I did not create that term. It's actually a term that they created, the people who have developed all these types of schools and,
And I think in a way just to make the kids look like that so that they can get away with all the abuses that are happening at these schools because there are thousands of them all around the country and actually around the world. And people just have no idea what's happening behind closed doors. And they come up with different names for the schools. Like they call them emotional growth schools or behavioral modification or whatever.
wilderness therapy, there's just all different types of names for these places. But it's just terrifying just to know what's happening and hundreds of children have died and there's 150,000 kids a year that are being put into these places and their families have no idea what's happening and it's just really terrifying and I just couldn't sleep well at night knowing that this was still happening and that's why I've been speaking up and using my voice to help put a stop to it.
And you, at what age did your parents say, ah, crazy parents? Basically, I can only imagine. You're going out, you're breaking curfew, you're doing what 80% of teens do, pushing your parents' buttons, they get worn down, which is what I was just referring to, and somebody says, you know what, there's a great place, X, Y, Z, and the next thing you know, you're in Utah? Is that where you were? Mm-hmm.
Yeah, for my family, you know, before I lived in New York, I was living in Los Angeles. And then I moved to New York when I was 15. And in LA, I lived a very sheltered life. I wasn't allowed to go out. I wasn't allowed to go on a date. I wasn't allowed to wear makeup. My parents were so strict. So then we moved to New York or at the Waldorf. All of a sudden, I'm getting invited to all these parties and clubs. And my parents were like, no way, you're staying home. And I was like, no, I'm not going to go out.
And of course, I didn't listen. And I started sneaking out at night and getting bad grades. So they contacted this person called an educational consultant.
And they are the ones that recommended that I go to this boarding school. And they showed, you know, all this deceptive marketing, this, you know, beautiful website and these brochures with smiling kids and kids riding horses. But it's all stock photos and all fake. And these consultants, I found out later now, they are ones that get paid off and get commissions for each kid that they send to these type of schools. So it's interesting.
It's a huge business. It's a $23 billion a year industry. And definitely it's something that has been around. It's been around since the 1960s and people have gotten away with it for so long. And I think one of the reasons is because
You know, when you're in these places, they really instill that in you and physically beat that into your mind. No one will ever believe you if you say anything. People are going to think you're crazy. So they really put this, like, instill this shame in the kids where when you get out of there, you just don't even want to talk about it or think about it because it's just too traumatic and painful. And that's what happened to me. I literally couldn't speak about it or tell anyone for over 20 years.
It is a, listen, it's a, it's so shocking to me to hear that that goes on. And it also, as somebody who's been in recovery myself, I've, um, you know, I know it's not the same as rehab, but they're not even, we're not even talking about the same thing, but there are similar, similar elements in that you're going someplace with blind faith. You're in a, you're in a
somewhat, I would, a crisis and you're sort of a, you know, sort of throwing yourself on the mercy of the court of the people that are there to give you therapy. And parents are at their wits end. Like they're like any lifeboat at this point for the most part. So they're only as good as the information they're getting. What, what do you feel like the fix is for this? Well, definitely not sending your children to these types of places because they're
children are literally being physically, emotionally, psychologically and sexually abused. And thank God now for the internet and people coming forward and telling their stories so people
You know, now there are eyes on them watching them. But my advice to anyone would just be to talk to your kids and to keep them at home and not send them somewhere. Because I think when any child is going through something, if you're going to just put them somewhere and traumatize them more, they're going to come out with more issues than they came in with. And for me, I wasn't even a bad kid. Like, I literally just snuck out at night and...
My parents just thought, okay, we'll just get her out of New York and just send her to Utah because she'll not be able to go out, basically. Right, yeah, yeah. And in their wildest dreams or nightmares, they never would have imagined that all these horrible things were happening to me. And then, of course, the people who work at these places are trained to tell the parents, your kid's going to say all these things. They're trying to manipulate you to get you out of here. Right.
So don't believe them. And that's easy for parents to assume that an adult who's supposed to be taking care of their kids is telling the truth, but they're just manipulating the families. And it's really sad to see just so many people who've lost touch with their families or haven't spoken to them. And that was one of the most empowering parts of my documentary because I had no idea how people were going to react. And when it came out, I just had...
thousands and thousands of people reaching out to me just saying, "Thank you so much for telling your story." I went through the same thing. No one ever believed me. My family didn't believe me. And now because of you, I'm finally speaking to my parents again.
Also, other parents reached out to me and said, I watched your documentary and I pulled my daughter out of Provo Canyon School and she told me everything and everything that you said happened to you is still happening there. And even on, you know, a crazier level because now they're letting kids in as young as eight years old. And it's just so heartbreaking. Yeah.
Your documentary came out two years ago, am I right? Yes. Right. If people want to watch it, where's the best place to see it now, do you think? Netflix or where is it? I did this one with YouTube because I wanted it to be available to everyone around the world because not everybody has all these streaming services. So I just wanted it to be available to everyone. So yeah, they can check it out. It's called This Is Paris on YouTube. ♪
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On a lighter note, tell me about DJing. I feel like one of the times I did Ellen, you were the DJ, the house DJ. Yes. Right? Yes, I was. How are you enjoying it? It seems like you love it. And I know you're crushing it. I know you're traveling all over the world doing it.
I love it. It's so much fun. There's nothing like just being on stage in front of hundreds of thousands of people and just playing this amazing music and seeing everyone dance and jump and smile and sing. And it's just, it's really incredible. And I've been DJing now for 12 years and
I love it. I love just having it as part of my life. And especially when I'm traveling for business, it's like the perfect thing to do at night just to entertain my fans and have a good time. You have only one song and you have to get people hyped. You got one song. What's the song? One of my favorite songs to play is Losing It by Fisher. He's like this Australian DJ and it's
such a sick song like everybody always goes crazy when i play it all right i'm checking that one out we have it um okay this is a game i wish we were live because i could i would say what is the what is the amount how many fragrances has paris created and i think it might be upwards of five am i right
I'm about to release my 30th fragrance. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. There aren't 30 fragrances in nature. Yeah. Okay. I have a humble one fragrance. One. And I will tell you, designing it, however, that's not the proper term, but it was so much fun working with the nose.
Did you have as much fun doing it as I did? It was super educational and unbelievable. For the uninitiated, there is a nose. The nose's job is to be a nose. And they're like a bloodhound. They'll say, so tell me what you enjoy in life. And I remember going, well, I love being... Picture a summer night in a mountain and the smell of the...
like the pines and like the dryness of the air and like lightning in the distance. Great, be right back. And they literally come back with something, you smell it and you are transported to that place. Is that the kind of experience you had? Yes. Since, you know, after doing 30 of them, I'm definitely a pro at it. And I've,
smelled like every single scent possible. And it's just amazing how just mixing together certain notes can just transform into something, you know, so different each time. So it's, it's a lot of fun, the whole process of putting together the scent and then creating the campaign and picking out the name and designing the bottle and,
The packaging and I love it. Just the photo shoots. It's all so much fun. Do you have, is there a shelf life on them? Like, like if you buy it, how long, how long can one like sit? Assume you don't go right through it before you're like, is it like wine? Does it get better? Does it get worse? Yeah.
I'm not sure. I think it's always good. I think it's depending on the quality, maybe. That's what I think. Because I have been told that folks like... I was talking to Tom Ford about this and he makes great stuff. And he was like, I kind of like mixing sometimes. The older versions, like, hmm, that's kind of cool. By the way, I think everybody has to be careful with the fragrance. It's like the problem with when you wear one all the time is you get numb to...
You don't sort of smell it anymore. So you keep adding and adding and adding. That's why you run into those people on the street. You're like, oh my God, they've just been wearing it for so long that they have to put that much on. Smell it, right? Yeah. If someone doesn't have good taste in like cologne or a fragrance, it could be brutal because if they spray too much, it's just like overwhelming. What are your favorite notes? Are you woody notes?
earthy, citrus, floral? Do you have certain things you're like, absolutely no way? Or what's your kind of jam? I love floral. I love rose and gardenia. And then I love sweets, kind of like honeysuckle or vanilla. Those are some of my favorites. That makes sense. That's very on brand for you. What's the new one? The new one, I can't say yet because it's a surprise, but
It'll be coming out on my wedding anniversary, which is 11-11. And it has to do with love, but I can't say the name yet. Where will we be able to get it? It'll be all around the world at different department stores, especially Macy's and ParisHilton.com and other stores. I will be checking it out. But you've never done a unisex one, have you?
I have like five men colognes. Oh, Jesus. I'll send it over to you. Okay. I want swag. You'll love it. The Paris Hilton for men in the blue bottle is literally like insane. The amount of people who come up to me on the street and guys just being like, that is my jam. I've been wearing it for like 15 years. That's all I will wear.
And it's just how so many girls will hit on them when they're wearing it. So it's like everybody loves that cologne. What are your feelings on the pheromone thing? I think it's great to have in there. Why not? Yeah, I would use anything you got. So do you have pheromones in some of yours? Yes, in some of them. Definitely. They're good for a date night.
Ooh. See, I never, I never, I don't know, I feel like I never looked at or sampled the ferrum. Do they actually have a scent or are they unscentable?
It depends on which one it is, but yeah. Can you imagine? I picture like you smell it and you turn into the American werewolf in London. Like, I must have you. Does it work that way? Sort of. Sort of. Yours does, I'm sure. Yeah, of course. I know how busy you are that you probably don't need to fill the next five years, but if you could do anything,
What would you do with the next five years of your life? Well, now that I'm married, I can't wait to have a family. And something that's a huge focus for me is Web3 and the metaverse and everything that I'm doing in the NFT space. And yeah, that's something that is a huge focus for me is uplifting and empowering female artists and
And I'm such an undercover nerd. I'm obsessed with anything to do with technology in the future. So that's something that I've really been focusing on now that I'm the queen of the metaverse. Yeah, tell me about your foray. You have your own metaverse, right? Yes. I created Paris World inside of Roblox. And it's just been incredible. We did the first ever New Year's Eve party together.
in the metaverse and then I did New York Fashion Week in there. We just did the neon carnival from Coachella and had half a million people in there a few weeks ago.
So it's just been amazing just to bring my life into the virtual world. And it's exciting because I was planning and mapping myself out and creating this metaverse back in 2018 before there was even a word for it. So now just to see the advancements in technology and to see that everything is actually happening now today is just amazing.
So like just fantastic. It's funny. I know a lot of, as I know you do super smart people who everybody's making their own iteration of the metaverse and, and all of the folks I talked to feel like Roblox are going to be the people.
That's a great company. Super smart people. How did you get hooked up with them? I'm working with DJ Ski and we were just talking about creating it and Roblox was the first place that we're doing it. And now I just signed a deal with Sandbox. That's where Snoop has his Snoop World. So I'm going to be developing Paris World inside of there and then taking it into other metaverses as well. Super smart. I went to my first metaverse
metaverse from meta I did a charity evening around the Super Bowl and it's like once you I mean intellectually you know it's of course the future I mean why why wouldn't it be but once you do it for the first time even as rudimentary as it is and it's super rudimentary still but even in its most
in the form that it's in now, which is early, early, early, early stages, you're like, oh yeah, no, I'm in another world. This is real. I'm here. And yet I know I'm not here. And when you're done, when I took the Oculus off, I was like, I had that insane, we'll have to create a new term. It's not jet lag, but like the first people who traveled on a jet
Got off that jet and went, I feel weird. Yes. There needs to be a term for it because I was like, I was with all these people. Where are they? I was in this world and I'm just here in my living room alone. What the hell? I know. It's so fascinating. Yeah.
So fascinating. And then the whole NFT, all of that, like there was a swag table that you could walk over and like put on some glasses or wear a stupid hat. And the people who don't think that we're not going to buy stuff for our digital avatars don't get it because you want to wear that stuff. You want to have your, you know, 100%. And it's so funny to watch people
Talk it down. They just don't get it. And I always think about this. I'm older than you. I remember when Pong came out. Literally, it was a line and a square. They couldn't even make a circle. They couldn't make circles.
It was a square, like a beep, bump, beep, bump, and you played punk, and we were obsessed with it, and you instantly knew this was a thing. You're like, this is so great. Now it's Call of Duty and whatever the hell we have now. What do you think the metaverse is going to look like in 50 years? Oh, my God. We're so early right now, and it's moving so fast, and I've seen even projects that I'm investing behind that haven't even been released yet, and it's just...
It's really just, it blows my mind just how real these seem and feel and the new, you know, the add-ons that people are going to be doing where you can actually like feel things. It's just. Yeah. What kind, have you tried any of the add-ons?
Yeah, I've tried them and it's fun. It feels really real. So it's kind of crazy, especially if you do like a fighting game or something like that. It's pretty intense, but it's super exciting to know. And, you know, I'm just hoping for one day with my daughter that she'll want to just like instead of going to real clubs like I did when I was a teenager, that she'll want to party in the metaverse. So, yeah.
I'm just getting it ready for little London Hilton when we see her one day. Yeah, and you can keep her in the house. Yes, with her headset on in the house, safe. Oh my God, that's too... It'll happen for sure. Mm-hmm.
Look, the kids, we're always going to want to be where it's cool to be. Yep. And it's definitely going to be cool. Definitely. Already is. Well, thank you for coming on the show. This was so great. It was great to see you. Please say hello to your parents for me, please. I will. Definitely. And your aunts. God bless them. I love them so much. I haven't seen them in forever. Yes, I'll tell them. My mom said to say hello. I told her that we were doing an interview together.
Yeah, give her a big hug and kiss from me, please. I will. Definitely. All right, Paris. Thank you, guys. So good to see you. And thank you all so much. Super interesting. Right? Right? I mean, geez, the stuff about the troubled teen industry has got me like so shaken up. Yikes. And on the other hand, super excited to go to Paris World.
I think that'd be fun. All right. Just one more thing before we end today's episode. Let's check the lowdown line. Hello. You've reached literally in our lowdown line where you can get the lowdown on all things about me, Rob Lowe. 323-570-4551. So have at it. Here's the beep. Hey.
Hey, Rob. This is Stephanie Abe from Dallas, Texas. I have a couple of questions. One is the Auroville. I wanted to know about how the filming was that, how that was on the pilot. And if you're interested,
sci-fi and then the other thing is since i'm from texas we are watching the 9-1-1 lone star show and we do like it i was wondering where you filmed the winter scenes from the beginning of the season thank you love you bye oh thank you for calling um
So, The Orville. I'm a big Seth MacFarlane friend, fan. Know him. I've done some stuff on Family Guy over the years. He asked me to play Derulio, the blue alien. And he called me and said, I'll send you the script. And in the very first scene, he is in bed with a girl, as you know, and he ejaculates out of his forehead. I was in after that.
I didn't read anything else. I didn't read the rest of the script. I said, me playing a blue alien, ejaculating out of my forehead, I'm in. And it's funny, but it also, people always say, how do you keep yourself relevant? How do you keep a career going after so many years when other people don't? That's a very good example of how and why. Because there are plenty of people like, what? I'm an alien. And I'm like, well, what do people, that's great. And I'm just like, it makes me laugh. I'm in.
Um, I love sci-fi love it. I'm bummed that I haven't done anything in sci-fi. Truly. I would love it. I would love to do, you know, aliens, you know, and a star Wars thing. Look, I was on the set of star Wars. I read about it in my, my first book, um, stories. I only tell my friends. Um, I went to the, the, what was the original ILM industrial light and magic and, and, and watch them film the, uh, uh, death star trench, uh,
fighter pilot sequence and um saw r2d2 and the bantha all in the same and the death star it had not come out i had my aunt my aunt and uncle were working as rotoscopers they used to call them um and i remember going to my seventh grade class the next day and going there's a movie coming out soon that is going to be so good called star wars i wish i would have invested in it yeah so maybe maybe um
My overlords at Disney who produce 911 Lone Star and now own all the Star Wars stuff will hear this and put me in that world. I would love that. And the last part of your question, thank you for watching 911 Lone Star. All of that snow blizzard, which I was super proud of, you know, we're not a movie, we're a TV show. So, you know, we have budgets we have to adhere to. We make a lot of them. It's like a factory and I take great pride that it looks like a movie every week. And that looked amazing.
That blizzard stuff looks so real. It was shot in a hundred degree weather in Simi Valley in California. We had fake snow technology. We used a certain type of smoke to make it look white and foggy. And then they put the special makeup to put on my beard, which looks like ice icicles on my beard. But man, it looks like we're in a blizzard. It was real movie making magic. Glad you liked it. Thanks for calling.
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