For many, the upcoming presidential election is a source of dread and pessimism. Harold Meyerson talks about sources of hope in 2024 – including Trump's upcoming trial for attempted insurrection and the promise of ongoing progressive political action by America's youth.

Also: Hope is different from optimism – it’s an embrace of uncertainty, and a basis for action. The polls look bad for Joe Biden, but Democrats’ chances are much brighter in the House, and perhaps the Senate. John Nichols talks about reasons for hope in 2024, starting in the tipping point state of 2020, Wisconsin.

Plus: Bill Gates is now the 6th richest man in the world, with 104 billion dollars. He’s spent the last 20 years giving away some of his money – the Gates Foundation gave away $7 billion in 2022. But with the money comes a host of problems. Tim Schwab will explain; his new book has a great title: “The Bill Gates Problem: Reckoning with the Myth of the Good Billionaire.”

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Dread and Hope in 2024: Harold Meyerson; Political forecast: John Nichols; Bill Gates:Tim Schwab