MBW 945: 80 Out Of 80 - M4 iMac, M4 Mac Mini, Apple Intelligence
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It's diver mac great weekly i'm wearing my halloween garb ex linzie not north said to say Jason snow lors andy and architect. I'm really a here all alone, but i'm glad you're here. Keep me company, put on some weird stuff while you watch the show, and make me feel Better.

We do talk about the big apple and us. This is apple week. We've got a new imac, a new mac, many what's come in tomorrow and what does apple intelligence doing so far? All of that coming up next on a special halloween edition of that great weekly.

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love from people you trust. This is twit. This is mac great weekly episode nine hundred and forty five, recorded tuesday, october twenty nine, twenty, twenty four, eighty at and eighty happy halloween.

Everybody are almost halloween. It's time for MC break weekly and there are gifts under the halloween tree. But first, let's say hello to James snell. L of six colors that come. Hello, Jason.

It's a spoke.

but they were nice. Made before grees made.

right? Is the mac made before halloween? Don't know. Happy mac week. Happy halloween.

Happy mak. I really like this, but I will talk about in a second also and ano from W, G, B. And boston. Hello, Andrew.

hello. Hope you in my skeleton costume, but the party is not a nice. So i'm wearing muscles and skin and body hair over IT. I want to look great costume.

The drilling has begun once again and in my studio. So apologies for the low home.

It's not it's not your your headphones that's really.

really he's got in the next .

room over that we .

made IT was still sure that .

only kids who .

are perfectly .

and Candy that's good, very good. Also hear alex linsey from office hours that global and zero nine zero that media hello L I .

guess you could say that these releases are scary good.

Scary fast was last year yeah, these are scary a faster than scary faster and yeah and for so is IT gonna be every day this week.

What do you think yes, i've been john turnus you've been released .

in he said we'll be back tomorrow .

with another great mac announcement. So I mean, there's one left on margert checkless, which is the map pro. So I would not surprise me if that is tomorrow .

yeah and just waited out last week O I got a whole week of mac and outspend soviet right now we are in like like Jason said, we are kind checking off like OK he said we see this great check off. We see into mac. Many check off amazon was nice enough to post the the sales page early. So we ve got little extra sneak peak at that of a and so now we just look .

waiting for macbook and we now have learned that its eight oclock pacific center time. I think that amazon's thing was someone screwed up and thought I was five o clock came out is probably three hours offset got a time times on .

issue and released that was eight o'clock paci s what somebody breaking down boxes starting tomorrow.

at least for the next three months. Office hours is running during that time. So on monday, we were surprised.

By tuesday, we were like, hey, what is gonna? Stay on the show here for another five minutes to see what happened. So and and there was, and so I was excited.

So they started monday with a new imac, new colors. All of this available. Are we .

colors with the .

same colors, but different .

way I like to be very for.

And they are, of course, says everything will be this week based on the m four.

Yes, big upgrade here. And if you were to think back when the m one imac was released, IT was released shortly after they introduced the first ipad that had center stage. And, uh, we thought, OK apple is doing that. They going to have auto tracking for video from now on and all their products.

And then they came out with the m one I mac and at a seven twenty p or whatever web cam bad web cam that didn't do centre stage was quality and um that they did the am three imac and they didn't make any changes to the hardware. At good news, the m4 imac has a uh a twelve mega pixel camera and does another stage。 So actually as a web camp, IT should be much, much Better than the one that was in the previous IMAX. That's I I think in some ways, other than the chip and the things that come along with IT, the biggest change to the whole bang is that that they've got the .

proper web came now they hide the expensive, so funny, maybe because I have expanded view. But the fourth one they .

though they really give you in the last row.

nineteen ninety nine, is this is the ten or CPU ten core GPU .

twenty four gigs of memorial started.

I think I got a maa .

five this morning.

Yeah.

so new on these IMAX nano texture glass. That's the mad finished, right? Yeah, yeah.

Nano texture, all the things. I actually think that that's a brilliant choice for the imac. You might think like the IMAX lowly and why does IT need that? But the thing is, IMAX are in environments, right? They tend to get placed, a lot of them placed in places because we have our environment and were going to put this mac there and you don't get to choose like but there's a window behind me like to that, that's where the imac goes.

So having I think I macs probably suffer a lot of care problems and less than a laptop where you could just take IT somewhere else or rotate your chair, whatever they have to actually they have to actually just sit there in ticket. So having anal texture is there and then yeah in in terms of as the chats are saying, the various chats uh with with a lot of us the the eight gag RAM floor is seems to be gone right. Like apple seems to have only just said, look sixteen and we're going to talk about there's an interesting quirks on the mac mini that will talk about the minute in terms of how they are laying out the RAM.

But here it's just straight forward. IT starts to sixteen and two fifty six storage, which again is kind of megger, but you get to in the door and and it's fairly easy to buy upward storage if you really, really want IT, you get a samsung drive on the amazon on to terrible. It's pretty cheap.

So um but yeah, it's it's it's the web cam in the in the bed storage and there's a good stuff. It's and the antithesis. Again, I think it's good because you know if you are parked at a desk or a table or a hotel check in or wherever and there's a big bay window behind you like you're screw. So na, texture, get them to put your pony up for the ano.

Is this an texture? You have to have a special cloth to clean. You have to IT helps.

I'm sure there's a close in the box if you order them in a texture. Yes, because you're supposed to just sort like know you put stuff on that you mess up the texture layer. And .

disappointed that IT maxes at thirty two gigs of a memory establishing IT is a non protium ice and it's just .

a limitation of the base m for processor, right? It's like you want more, get more.

And also the most important thing was to get rid that a gig floor because even even when they were saying let mix, let me explain to you idiots why it's not important on a ac.

It's a take on a mac is the same as sixteen that's .

that's like when they retold the macbook and got rid of the sd slade, they said, we feel of their photographs are using wireless to to transfer photos now. And you can see, you can see that the words turning into multiple breath in their mouth because they know that they're just, we've got to say this. We've got to say this.

So yes, so long they changed the floor. That's fine. Thirty two on an imac, that's fine. This is like, this is a as Jason said, it's the it's the pretty mac. It's the one where you take other box that looks dynamic.

Where is no, there is all kinds of cowers because not just because some people want a purple imac, but because the decor and that so on might need something that's a lie leg. And so it's not to be the fact that still, i'm slightly disappointed that if you bought one as your main mac, think the cheaper ones only support one extra display. The Marks of the top of the line one supports two, so it's limit there. That's compared tube the mac many that supports three out of the box, but it's for what it's supposed to do.

I think it's very well, kid out for that IT looks like .

a still three, but even the super cheap, the five hundred, nine and nine dollar mag.

many will support three displays. So the thirty two g probably enough for a solid ninety eight percent of the population. What we talked about, like you, I wish, go over thirty to do was like, who's really need?

Who really need? I think so I I think I think things more about future perfect than anything else because it's yet to be to discovered what not only the AI apps of the new versions of Michael s they're going to need, but also that plus any A I enabled apps that you choose install yourself, like how much RAM is proving to be like the stumbling block I started like two years years ago with phones.

Thank all the features that are great built into android or that samsung is developing. But we can't give IT you because you don't have enough. And we've seen that .

before so that I but again, the future .

proof ers, I think people who are maximum RAM, that's always a good idea if you still have money left in the kd, because this is the one thing that you can't expand upon. You can get a thunderbolt, thunderbolt with two gig, two terribles of SSD storage and IT works. Just great you can do anything about RAM. But this is it's a long to give you enough of ceiling that you feel as though you are gna get that five or ten years that you often expect to get out of a mac. That's that's a good move.

I'm glad they did IT alright.

They are claiming that the m four in this imac is twice as at one point seven times faster in one places at one point seven and another places said almost twice as fast as the m one. That's a big jump.

Actually IT doesn't seem like a big thing when you if you think about creating from m three, I don't know about A M two, but and if you bought T A M one to get on to get on to the apple silicon n way and and you have an up greatest since then, those people are really gonna see some stuff when they are ready for available.

Think one of the chAllenges for apple really is that I think intel and makes makes a lot of sense for them for up for getting people upgrade because these ones, these m series are so fast and the m four is so fast that there aren't that many apps that actually chAllenge the processors.

I mean, we find, I mean, I have m ones, uh, that are eight gigs and they will put out eight eighty p thirty signals out of out of a black magic card and they running about fifty five percent and that's early age and once with eight, eight gigs, you know and so this one I I think if we like take something like zoom, I so we're going to. Probably head to head soon with IT. I bet you we can put out as many as zoo.

I will let us and will still be a twenty five, thirty, thirty five percent of the capacity and that's i'm not be like sixteen you know h ten D P outputs coming out of this thing of of raw video. And and I think that that is so that the chAllenge you get to the people don't use these for games. If they don't use them for those things, the games constantly represented.

I think that some of the announcement that apple made about the ray tracing thing, by the way, is someone who used to render us as show a silver, highly reflective um is kind of a you're like, sure like you know like it's it's fine. Well, I mean is not easy. It's it's easier than that sounds.

The the tracing calculation is is easier than that sounds. It's great to throw IT into the like. Hey, for me, i'm like, hey, how about real time global lumination? And then everyone doesn't want to talk about that. So great reason you can like, okay, sure you like yso about .

two things like there is so much that is unknown about the next two, three years everywhere in computing and AI is a is the question about the and IT was there was a common and in the chat lois, mj, and that's predating AI is even going to take off in the future I might IT might not who knows but the the thing is that um i'm wondering if the difference in head room between what an average user or even an aggressive user needs versus the most current silicon is if that's gna shrink because um the most expensive thing about A I is that you can you can create these really great features in like adobe photoshop, these generative editors, these generative eye features.

But you want enough that those makers are going to want want as much of that to run on the actual silicon as possible because anything that they have to do on servers is going to cost them. So I think that a lot of the overall the overhead is going to increase if these AI features become a big deal. As for great tracing, yeah, i'll absolute your word.

Ford IT is a IT is a big deal because it's another sign of how aggressively apples pursuing gaming. It's like IT would be so easy for them to concede that well, we feel as though we have products that are really great gaming computers. They're just not for triple eight games.

They're and then I ve going to compete with a four thousand dollar cost to made PC that is engineered specifically for gaming. They're actually crussol going for that. And when you talk about doing retracing as something that the that the hard work can handle on its own, this customer andle on its own, when you look at game demos of here's retracing turned on, here's retracing turned off. That's the difference to between, wow, that's really good graphics and wow, that's graphics. So I think that that I think that that very impressive that they continue to put in a hardware feature into the CPU that really, I think is just for gaming is not like Normal people.

I don't as as nothing. C, G, I, you always look at IT going, hey, it's great to say, talk about the easy stuff and not talk about the hard stuff like so you ask global lumination or will say, hey, be really great if you had really good anti alias thing, like without any. So here's if you watch your game, your favorite game or anything and unreal.

For those who are doing graphics, just look at the curved edges and look at the angled edges and look at the little stair step that goes down. That that's alias. In the way to fix that is to render IT a two, four, six, eight times bigger, and then scale IT back down again.

And IT IT blends that all back in and be able to do that at one hundred and forty friends a second is a thing like that. You say we have, you know, four x or ax anti, you have my undivided attention if you say I ray tracing you like OK, you know so no at high frame rates with with anti Allison, I think that I personally think that makes more of a difference than retracing you know. And um because of a lot of ways to cheap reflections, you know. And so um sometimes when they did this damage, you feel like they turned off a lot of things they didn't need to and and then they turn on racing and like look at the big difference because you know I rendered everything I rendered without .

any racing so so the um uh so the so .

I think that that same back in the day with the star was worth the retracing was three generation I so had this feature .

no yeah and and again, I think and and I think that you know apple apple is going to have a hard time getting gamers to come over. They really need to think about building a couple. And I know they have a rapper argue and they hire people to do little games, but they need to think about like what I would take to build a triple again and and I think that you know the the irony above of this is the company to for them to partner with, I mean, which be hard right now but be bungie because bgi started on the mac buni know halo is just marathon which started on the mac. Um maybe really found to bring them back into .

the form but one big deal disclose this off is that um it's not about you making sure that trying to make the the map into a triple I gaming platform and getting people to understand see the the ipad and the iphone that way. That's a little bit about selling max and selling iphones and ipad. It's mostly about selling transactions to the APP store because the a the a apple apple store absolutely kicks the uh android google place stores.

But in terms of money spent per per user, it's by factor four. Five I think six. I last to my check with last week, but the numbers are kind of fasting for my mind. But the lion and share of that, I think, close to half is entertainment. And in that purchases, and that means that if you can sell somebody y's sixty dollar game, you might also be spelling them hundreds of dollars of in that purchases in the future. And if you get three percent of a kind of all that that the apples very, very well, very, very well impressed by, here's here's well, we could benefit by making making the gained more developers comfortable with porting their critical games over, including the new tool for deporting windows games straight over to to their metal.

And I think that the chAllenge really is, is again, they need they need apps like triple games because they need them to push the hardware because right now, they are the hardware is running away from the apps, you know. And this is the problem the ipad has had forever. The ipad has way more horsepower than almost any the apps that sit on top of the use, you know.

And so being able, you know, apple needs to be constantly working with folks that are going to push that envelope about um so the dig or I think that were as we look at a lot of the spatial computing and so on. So for the apples talking about the processing for spatial video is gonna the prose like the these mac mines and IMAX don't even start to be able what to have. The power is going to be required to do A K pri ninety friends a second of work. So it'll be interesting to see how that that rolls out.

All you nerds can talk all you want about those things, but i'm going to tell you what people really care about. Two things.

I was stickers. Doesn't.

doesn't. I got IT, doesn't find out. Member, right?

I got some. I got a bunch of of the apple tracking ers. And I, by the way, there is a limit.

I've hit IT. What is how many was the max number of track? Twenty four, thirty two, sixty four?

I think it's like thirty or forty and IT doesn't number them, but I think that I met thirty. I think it's at, yes, thirty, like thirty thirty is the off the look.

I mean, I can even imagine what your phone would look like as if you wander away from all of those are ten thirty notifications say, hey, they're hey way. Hey, don't you're not never. So this is what people really care about.

One, look at the wallpaper on the new imac. Look at IT carefully. IT says, I mac.

I love that every, every single, every single piece of new packaging, like if the mac many, says many, the first process that has pro hidden in there, like my good and subtlety, you most .

somebody told me and I A really look and then now I can't unc IT, but ah yeah the other thing is they did have .

paying people to do that. I I should say as on the side, someone is apple paid somebody to take here's of your time budget for doing .

all to words day balloons. But IT should say, I, mac, kb, tt, that, can you do that? The other thing is, of course, type c charging on the mouse and the keyboard. Yes, and let's get this out of the way. What it's still underneath the out IT IT takes like .

two minister charge for every three months it's low hanging for IT would understand that if IT were practical to use this laid before practical to use this mouse and age wave ship perform but I didn't gress but like, yeah I mean, if you're making fun of that, we're also you going to put IT because going to sacrifice the looks. And once again, you charge it's like complaining about how of the apple pencil you have to remove a cap to plug in into USB. Like again, you're going be charging this up rarely.

literally, you have to go to log in and it's good for months. It's that he is that I think you can get all day from five minutes or two minutes or something and IT last for a long time. And yeah, john gruber actually went a piece defending IT, which even he seems surprised about IT but he said he talked to somebody at apple whose a designer who said they absolutely looked at doing different designs, uh, with IT not on the bottom, and they thought they looked bad and was bad and that's not they and I think of this, yes, it's an easy, easy to take a cheap shot totally doesn't matter .

in this irrelevant in people's lives.

I live cheap shots or me.

Oh.

that was.

excuse me, but that was a cheap shot.

I was a very expensive shot. Have you know just anything .

else to say about these ims before we move on? Because there is other stuff to talk about, I just want to make sure recover IT. Thirdly, thunderbolt hundred brought four video APP wifi. What is the wifi 6e is IT that .

we are getting。 It's a low and slow computer is what IT is yeah but IT has .

high for only six speakers system with force cancelling refers. I don't know where somewhere in there that's surprisingly put .

the money into that. I mean, I mean, not surprising that apple, but always make sure they have the best sounding whatever on the blood. But the imac is not necessarily like my brows .

sound pretty darn good, actually. So actually a similar configuration, this is, is basically an ipad on a stick. A twenty foreign ipad on a stick is so thin. Great little .

computer is one of those computers that I wish that I had a useful but I don't because it's .

beautiful I mean.

yeah I get one um to review and I always said when I send them home afterwards because they're they're beautiful and fun to have around.

but IT just doesn't fit well so SHE checks me into the gym on her and says, look, whatever .

keeps a fresh man.

I know SHE wants what you want to went down there SHE. We bought her one at the studio. everybody. I'd was smart enough not to whatever they don't kit that I like.

Now they'll be new and but SHE bought IT and now we have IT and there's not much to do with that. So it's in the gym. So if he needs to get online in the gym.

SHE can here David is up in the chat reminded me of targeted display mode for the old IMAX and how much how gry IT was because you could tell me an even even when the thing was like useless as a computer, IT wasn't just beautiful as the static object. That would be a very, very pretty external display for a while. I had I had one as my my living room like living room set up with the riser ry pie set up with IT and but A A lovely way to add extra value to the cost of the product.

Ah carl is saying in our youtube chat me click the right button and carl is saying, oh, thank you Jerry, we appreciate that but I didn't mean click itself conatus laty chat message. He's saying you could put your own drive in. Is that the case? Or are these .

kind of unending no touch that externally? yeah. And I mean, i've done that. You can just for imac, you just built IT on the back table.

But on the back, it's just it's fast and is .

on finding a thunder boat for SSD will be more expensive than just like USB three. So what really just depends on how much speed you need. And right? Like I would pay enough, like since I do video stuff, I would probably want enough space that I could be expLoring my project and rendering my project on on the internal stuff that the fast as possibly can be. But I can stack a bunch of other stuff um exchange.

And I think that depends on how fast that is. Like with my older mac studio, it's five gigs. The second on internally, there's no way to get to that without A I there's an I drive system that will let you plugged into all them.

the underworld.

the body and then you can get back to the same speed. But outside of that, you can get over about three .

point .

seven I raw files and you trying to edit them in this all that's when a studio .

target play ah .

that was another .

thing that every time I review and imac, I point out that like they took IT away for good reasons when that first that first five k imac, like it's like they did, there wasn't a connector that could do external, uh, five k at that point, right? Like they were doing wild stuff on the inside to do IT exactly right. However, we have come a long way.

And I would say that that one of the worst things about the imac as a product is that IT is not the display will last. Probably there is that story about how some of the m one IMAX are having display issues. So we'll see. But like theoretically, a display will ask a lot longer than the computers use of a life and what you should be able to do as purposes as an external display. And apple should absolutely, if there this here, okay, I am get a little mad about this because I did this when I review the three imac. If apples committed to the environment and is boasting about their carbon mutual, this and carbon neutral that, you know what it's good for, the environment is making your imac displays the purpose after they're done with the natural life as a computer, and it's really shameful, but they haven't done that yet. Could totally build that way so that you could put IT in a mode where IT just becomes a monitor and they haven't and at this point.

they don't have an excuse is lovely if all they did was work closely with google chromos team and make sure the chromos flex works great on pretty much everything they do, which is really just a case of not making sure that if there's anything that is kind of in the way, that there's a way to get that out of the way because that's the simplest way to recycle any old machine at this point because chrome O S flex will give you a brand, essentially the latest version of crime.

And so security at lazed updates everything like that. Um that's I think you're actually right there. IT breaks my heart when I go to like my town's recycling center and I see what are.

I know these are rehab ble machines. I know that there, but I been taking them apart and taking out the panel and ordering from aliexpress. The new display in your face you can turn in to like hd mine whatever like that.

It's like they're people who need these and the people who can actually use these. Why we throwing the way? Um i'm glad imagine this about the a original and one generation IMAX. Apparently in apple support there are butcher uses complaining that they're getting a whole bunch of horizons onal lines on the bottom of the screen that seem to have something to do with a bad connector, but it's out of warranty. Ty, and so you might be. Sol, I hope that if this turns out to be an endemic display problem, apple can figure out a way to at least make you feel less host for not buying ten years of apple care in advance.

I also like IT that I can buy a and I mac to match my shirt.

Yeah, one for every move every night.

Yeah, I I will be buying the orange imac just for the days that I were liked. Thank you. Goof ball. We do have views in tiktok.

Another court of the imac is that they are continue with their program of having color matched preferable. So if you get the orange IMAX IT comes with a color matched orange keyboard and track pad or mouse or whatever you you decide to order h those aren't available to everybody uh the ones on the store or just, I think the silver and the and the dark gray um and so you have to do otherwise. If you wanted, do IT you have to do what I did, which is wait a year and then go on ebay, go on ebay and .

then and then .

buy the orange one that you always wanted that you have. You can otherwise get in so they will be there eventually. I understand why they wouldn't cesspool ily want to stock all of them.

So little put, too bad. You can't just or online um if you want an orange keyboard, you could get one but um just wait because some people don't like other keyboards and they will sell the money ba. And so you'll be able to get .

a more yeah actually that makes a lot of sense because once you buy IT, IT comes with that, right? And if you don't want to use that funky mouse, you want to use a mouse that actually charges from the back, for instance, you might replace .

those and then you can sell IT and then you can sell IT color item of money.

just like they're people who sold off the black USB c cables of their macros because as the only black apple, or was that the thunder bull cable, whatever. Like, yeah there people with there are people who are now like middle aged and they have got all the retirement money saved up or they've struck at big in their twenty and thirties and they don't think they they don't care about spending a thousand dollars on a cable if IT magic IT goes magic magic. And those of us who are again.

free land .

journalists in a rapidly collapsing market with a reason why we don't throw things away.

at least take break. There's other stuff to talk about. I want to get to the mini, of course, spend some time with that. Apple intelligence arrived this week also. I mean, let's not give that way shift in two ways.

okay? We got eighteen one and fifteen one fifty one for macos 3 oma and our social sorry and then eighteen one for IOS and ipad O S。 And also watches got updated TV got to everything got IT.

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They know you said here, dock, dock that com slash mac break people are saying, what is leo wearing? It's halloween day tomorrow. You're gonna a busy boy on halloween, Jason, because apples quarterly results will come out. Then you have to make all those .

colorful charts, run my scripts and generate my church and see how much money they made.

Is there anything in particular look you're looking at like any kind of little clue? Apple doesn't tell you the numbers of sales and things.

right? It's all revenue based at this point. I mean, we'll get maybe some initial insights on how they're feeling about the iphone because the the very beginning of iphone sales, right, because it's from basically the end of september. So there's a couple weeks of iphone sales, it'll be in there, so they'll be able to characterized IT. But you won't see the huge number that happens to the following quarter, the holiday quarter.

Some color. Yeah.

there is always a little color in there, but yeah, we'll just see how they often times the statements that they make about what they're thinking for the next quarter or the most important thing that they say.

yeah, and no vision pro specifics in all likelihood .

seems unlikely.

I might get the passing. We've this has been a terrific year. We've remaining ground breaking products, including the vision pro and gb of apple intelligence.

We'll keep us on the forefront of global yes, I be surprised they don't say the words IT works on the bingo card, but they they won't mention that. We think that maybe we might have sold a little bit less, but almost as much as we had hot that maybe we would have. And then I think that there's a new guy who is developing a new APP for IT.

I had a prediction. They would say we really start the ground breaking first narrative film for vision pro emerged this month. 各种 that's .

they are probably to talk about china and india as the new iphones will be IT IT turns out partially assembled in india now， which is of course the next biggest market after china. Yes.

there's report that not just like partially assembled but the connect version of IT, which is that's putting you right in the big leagues immediately. I imagine that work. Tim cook was in china last week and .

reading the chinese as well.

Yeah, I think that must this that must have been kind of a testy meeting because, number one, he has to convince that he did. He has made public statements again in the chinese media saying, no, know. We are great.

We really, really rely on china. We love their manufacturing, and we got a long term partner ship with them at the same time. Clearly, they are heading their bets with india and being doing so aggressive that they're not just trying to meet some sort of government requirements that some of the phones is sold in india, must be manufacturer in india.

They clearly are factory india as part of their part of their larger plans. At the same time, he had to be sort of sweet talking the ministers until, yeah well, let's figure out how to get apple intelligence working in china. We definitely want that to happen, and please don't hold this over our heads as we continue to do seem to be relying on you a little bit less.

Yeah, he added to his credit he's a good at cultural assist lation flash the traditional chinese peace sign, which for some reason, I don't know when I was there in two thousand and nine, all the girls who would did self is with my good looking son. Flash the peace sign. So I guess tim is doing a cells. E with the peace sign. I guess I don't know.

I associate the animals.

Yeah, I yeah, I don't know. Maybe maybe it's still a thing. Corner cnbc and an analyst or some analytikos ook is likely visiting china to boost bolster support for apple intelligence.

That's kind of interesting. President biden just signed executive order saying we're gonna sell them or give them. We can't give them A I A stuff that they could use against us.

So but the chinese government themselves are not going to prove an eye that is not home grown. So whatever they do and also if they are going to continue the same, the same private, private computing strategy for there, they're going to figure out they are going to figure out a way to get these custom apple chips into china to make a work that way.

And who knows who knows if if if, given that there are a lots of chinese trade bans and intellectual al property bans, who knows if theyll even be allowed to do that? So that kind of testy there was as part of the apple intelligence announcement on the apple newsroom site. They did say that AI is going becoming to the eu early next year, but I don't think they can. I'd be really surprised they promise any sort of target gay day for china because there's a lot of dancing they got to do.

Analysts that counterpoints said the trip seems notable now as the company could be looking to shore up collaboration with local players to launch apple intelligence in china. They'll need a local partner to take for the LLM. And I think a .

the step also gives up little cover though, because they're slowly moving out to china for a whole wide of reasons, right? Um and so saying, oh, we can you know like it's harder to do IT here and and we have to move some of the stuff to other places gives them a little bit of room to work because well.

I were lever leverage age, right? You want us to have a manufacturing and chen, I think you need the intelligence.

It's probably less about leveraged and more about if there's a war between taiwan and in china, apple will not be able to produce anything in china like like they like that all all go away. And so I think everyone's trying to before the projected uh window twenty twenty eight, what's trying to get out down.

So anyway, so it'll see you. It's it's crazy. There is some good news for their work in china in that they are now the iphone is back in the top five of phone hardware in china, at which wasn't the case for most of this year, I think.

And when the big, big world car here is that, like, wow is believed by a lot of people in the U. S. Government to be essentially a government owned company at this point, at the very least, that they are very, very well tuned to hear what the government wants, wants out of, out of china, china's leading phone maker. So we are absolutely to do what they asked to do.

So this a question as to if things be the deterioration develop over the next three or four years, is china even going to be terribly interested in giving the iphone advantages over willie phone? Already they developed an entirely brand new from the ground up, the first brand, you, from the ground up mobile, O S, uh, for the next things called honor, honor. O S, uh, uh, to a power. The last versions of Willy phones, completely getting rid of linux coronal, completely getting rid of android IT is one hundred percent its own. And that's part of the strategy of we want everything to be absolutely homegrown and home, homemade, and therefore one hundred percent within the control of any edict that we wish to hand down.

Yeah, apple ships six billion dollars worth of iphones from india. Exports of the iphone raised a third and six months september. The total will probably be something like ten billion dollars in iphones, according to people familiar with the matter, because apple, of course, this can reveal those numbers.

So yeah, it's a make sense strategically. He's tim cook. Wow, he's a master of .

diplomacy. Is that a great thing? I don't think he would gotten this far now for the fact that he can do that dance. He can make everybody feel as though they're being listened to in a little bit happy and less just hope he keeps dancing on the right side of the Angels knows that, knows he and the people who had negotiating with knows what line he can't be asked to cross because he would be forced not across IT and that would .

be disastrous for all sides. Yeah yeah um I I I kind of teach you a little bit. I just stuck something else in. It's a little it's about impulse control.

I know you about it's it's word a muser O A something a little bit between so today this morning, eighty and pacific, apple announced the new mac mini. Were there any surprises? The one thing people seem to be noticing is that the power button on the bottom.

that's fun.

I mean, it's got to be somewhere. I mean.

it's got to be somewhere. And IT does that? I mean.

I don't really care. I know that people are talking about after the bottom of the of the mouse or whatever was kind. Like I don't think about that ever like know like you put IT in for a lunch and walk away and come back too much later you to do this again. Um but but the but the uh the power on the bottom is a little bit of obama. I've got forum stacked up and it's kind of like OK now but have to if I want to restart them, it's not as a trivial that's true.

That looks .

like it's the same roughly same shape as the is like a short max .

studio is right now. So two inches high in five by five. So IT is half the size of the old mac, many in terms of volume and quite a bit larger.

It's seventy. It's eighty versus fifty, a little more than than half of me because it's it's taller.

It's like I think it's a hundred square inches to down to fifty square inches. I think it's actually about exactly half the volume of the map. Volume is weird, right? Because I watch in two of the dimensions.

I did the calculation. I think it's eighty versus fifty, but I might not be. So alf, again, IT feels like ze, I actually get the mouth to figure out like is that really half the size? And I like.

And in the reason I bring IT up is that a lot of us are looking at IT. Like this would be great if we going to have a higher density, uh, solution for our servers. And no, it's completely doesn't make any sense anymore. Like it's so like they completely just they definitely don't care about people using mac mines in a sober environment. Like that was definitely not one of the the things that they thought through .

in this product uses a lot of yeah.

we think that you could turn them sideways and stack eight of them sideways across the three. You but so the density would be A A marginally higher, but not a lot higher. And it's like one of those things that there was a little shorter or a little smaller, like IT was just a little less on one dimensional another, we get my child identity. But right .

now or not, eighty five verses fifty, not quite half volume wise, but there because it's slightly taller. Good math, good math. C well done. A gold started to I I know how to use, you know, the problem my head is that I did not know how high the old one wasn't.

IT is a little taller, right? But it's it's much narrower now it's really is your surprises surprises, uh, that they did leave either that on all of them, that it's got a full H D M I, that it's got a had phone jack, although it's on the front. So depending on how you use your heads, phone jack think it's or less convenient. But I think it's great five ports include them to on the front, which IT was always like in the june y ideas that was haris put ports on the front, but they did that with a max studios.

So we knew was and it's also a great way to separate that. Some of them are your spc. Some of them thunderbolts. The ones on the back, tobacco ones on the front is for .

keyboard to american made. Uh, they are an even five by five by two in some random amount of millimeters.

And it's like a too much for it's not really too much for somebody.

Somebody definitely decided that I had to be like, even like it's really easy. Remember what they are because they are because the last one was one point for one high, and this one is two.

five by five by two. It's like a little tiny, tiny if I was, we can make IT IT was black. We can make IT like a two thousand one many moneth IT takes you half way to the end of time. Uh, anyway, it's it's really interesting because the I mean, it's a base model m four, but there's also the in four pro, which means this the first time that we've seen that chip m for project is, uh, you know it's got it's got more course. I think it's got a performance and four a memory.

the memory bandwidth two hundred and seventy three giga bites person.

This is the most, I would say the most surprising single four performance, six efficiency .

course on the bottom line, eight performance and four efficiency course on the .

for uh and and the idea there is that that the the twelve core is the probably the the full extent of the product, right? They have the bin versions, but that's the full extent of IT with uh about to C P U. two.

But the memory band with, I think is is the real story here with the m three generation. When they did rule that out, we talked about IT that IT was curious that the pro was sort of like a took a little step forward and then the max took a big step forward. And of course, we don't know anything about the max chip yet because maybe tomorrow, right? Yeah what is that? It's tuesday. Well then I don't know about other chips, but uh this one like seventy five percent generational improvement in memory band with is huge like that is a big step forward. So there was a small step forward for approach last time, but a huge step forward this time .

that more than twice as much, I mean.

twenty second on the m four two hundred and seventy three years this per second on the m four pro. They're clearly not as as much as they're making this this cute little like tiny little computer. They're clearly not marketing this.

Oh, here's the meet meet maxi, your family. You're cute. Little tiny, a little pocketable mac IT is this is some serious crap.

And the studio will then be with the eth for max. No, about the arty four .

hundred gigs and the ultra ZARA eight hundred gigs. So so these are already I mean, these are the m tools that are there. So if we see any kind of proportional increase in .

their speeds of wow, what this memory man with give you.

alex uh IT just is if you're moving a lot of data back and fourth between things, um you have to hold that data IT can be a huge stopper, especially with huge amount of texture maps or massive amounts of video or massive amounts of of scientific data or massive amounts of 3d data doing doing um a variety of photograph tory， all of these things kind of max out systems um as they start you know and IT really becomes A A turn.

So again, this get back into what I was talking about, doing a bunch effects on a bunch on something in resolve. And i've got a bunch 6k or A K footage that ban will get saturated prety quickly， you know and so um so those are the kind of things that uh IT will IT will do well you I think that again, it's not gonna be I mean, I when you see these backs, you can't wait to see what the studio and problem like no you like so so um but but this is a really powerful machine. It's still not probably as powerful as you is not I don't think the top of the line here is competitive with the the studio um you know m ultra or or maxes, but I but I do think that IT is extremely fast for I think the mac money is the best bank for your book for power of any computer made right now.

Yeah yeah I I hope I hope that IT IT keeps the same role that IT had historically um where there is always for history ally has always been uh if you are a power user, but not necessarily someone who needs a mac pro, you can have the choice between by a lower spec mac mini, but then do a built to order and give IT all the rain you want, give IT all the stories you want, give IT all the extra you want, get the best process or you want, or go for a low level pro level machine um I hope that's that's still gonna kind of distinction between like the max studio and the mac mini where yv is going to be a very clear jump to get to a back studio including like I don't know, five displayed instead of three.

Maybe a Better fan. I'm assuming the this mac many has a fan looking at the side of IT has vent hills, okay, in the bottom. great.

That that was one small fear of mind that they would say, well, we're going to have this throttle by heat performance so that we don't really so to make IT fit and that that tight little space were going to we're going to have IT all naturally, naturally cool. But that would would have been weird to have the same sort of features until a macbook pro that is absolutely you have to ever found. But yeah, it's A I think but we I think this is i'll speak myself and speak for you guys.

So it's the mac many I definitely want, uh, and it's the one that can basically I can cut out exactly how I want because I don't again, I don't need to spend five thousand dollars on the top of the line anything, but I have certain needs. And i'm if I can shoot them Better with a five hundred, nine and nine doors base model machine that I can then speak up to fifty hundred dollars, then I can with save fifty hundred dollar. Like pro level machine, I think theyve .

got that I could support three displays um which is nice also support for display port over USB c the pro what actually looks like the employment for proof the same video support yes, maybe a little bit higher resolution on the m four pro displayed for two point one over USB C H H D M I sixty up to A K resolution over H D M I sixty hurts four k two hundred forty forty words wow.

It's not to the display is is the fact that these are multiple of really .

good displays yeah I got you.

And fordable five. I mean, that's the other thing is it's fundable. Five so what is five five on on the pro chip?

Faster speed times faster than the deeds.

more power. And um and then you combine that with the the the video out is different um because there are more G P S so you can do k at sixty uh .

or you so .

so there's a .

little bit k sixty .

k of each.

Uh it's one hundred and twenty. I think it's up to one hundred and twenty gig um pipeline and eighty is the base um for IT. And so it's so you're talking about being able to move ten giga bites um theoretically ally ten gig a bites um uh a second, which is twice as fast as the as my studio does internally.

This gets into again, what if you're eating or you're trying to get in and out of things? Being able to have something that has that kind of end with is pretty, you know, pretty exciting. And and where this makes a difference for a mac mini is if you want to build a distributed rendering platform, so you I want to have ten of these able to do a bunch distributed processing, the speed at which you can deliver that content to.

The thing is that often times is the biggest a uh bottle neck that we get into is actually sending the frame. So let's say you want ten of these to run compressor or you want ten of these to run um a three render half fast. Can you get that data to the um machine is a big deal.

And being able to have this kind of uh, speeds is pretty exciting. Again, if you're editing something really heavy, a mac many of this size with sixty four gigs, a RAM can absolutely do all the big editing that I was just talking about with six channels of six k but the drive speed that kills you. And so being able to have the new you know imagine O W C within a couple months will be delivering things that can do you know a gigs or ten gig bit uh a second.

And now you can stack up a lot of these things inside of whether it's resolve or final cut or others. Um you can have a lot of really uncompressed data that you're working with. You don't have to do any kind of um um you to burn anything and everything can be sitting there floating as you're working with IT. So it's really exciting to exciting box. But obviously.

if I can do that, then you might want to wait and see what the studio will do. Will the studio be this week or no, it'll be next year.

My government has mid next year that had actually slipped a little bit, but it's really four computers, right? You've really got based on the four different chip models. You've got two mac minutes and two max studios. And I was thinking about this, i've got a max studio now base model which has got the m one, uh, max chip and and there's also the ultra assume that we're going to do an ultra this generation for this.

And then you've got the m four and the m4 pro。 Like where do you fall if you want a desktop system and there will be, you know maybe some cross over but non terms of the specks. You could back up a mac mini pro chip with a bunch of RAM and a bunch storage and get that to be over what the starting Price of the studio probably will be, but not with the specks that you want.

So I yeah yeah I mean.

I I was my Price one for twenty five or something like that. But the question is, who needs the higher and one like I i'm not sure I need anything more than the than the m4 pro。

Me more the m1 max。

It's true. It's true actually that's the truth of that. If I did, I would have ordered a pro mini today. And the fact is my m one max next studio is still great, honestly. And and so probably i'll just wait and see what the what the studio holds.

but it's nice day these things .

because m four base model is super powerful and I know that it's got a little bit left storage people would like and a little less RAM, although it's got sixteen now. So that's good. But but it's still an incredible value. And then with approach here, you have got a very powerful system.

I I A friend of mine who a works from home and is a professional, create a professional in the film industry, and he texted me today and he was like bottom mac mini because he was he an old intel imac that was on the flat legs. This is a serious professional person. So like it's it's a it's an impressive product on both fronts.

so you can up. So let's see. Let's start with the highest end mac mini upgrade, IT to the pro with fourteen core CPU, twenty core GPU, sixty four gigs of memory.

That was six hundred books that the apple premium right there. And you can go to eight tair minds of storage. But I think i'm onna do too.

Yeah now we've got this at twenty seven ninety. I don't need ten kick a bit either net. Nice though. Alex, do you have ten gig beef and hat? No, I don't.

But i'm probably as well the band was now coming into into my house. I'm trying to get IT all upgraded to two and a half gigs. So so if you start to think IT starts to feel little compressed. Now reminder, by the way, if you're an educational, if you're an education, all those numbers go down a little bit. So this if you're a student, uh the m four is the base started four ninety nine .

yeah exactly.

That's a great Price for very corporate.

My kids going be so .

happy cry when you start .

it's far this laptop for your kids yeah .

because I mean, the thing is they do a lot of stuff at their house. They don't really spend a lot of time somewhere. Um if they do, do IT, I mean, they both have monitors.

Like the problems is that I really like the problem with IMAX is dealing with the monitor and the machine. Like my daughter wants to make music, it's easier for me to give her a mac mini with the monitor. SHE can kind of place whatever he wants and have them back many where he needs to be to get all instruments in and everything and else.

I find IT very and again, as someone who has a lot of monitoring and get like nine monitoring appear. I I have a hard time understanding like where what I put, I look at the imac and I like where what I put that like. I don't like all of my monitors hang on on arms so I can move them around and get him to where I want.

And so when you get used to that lifestyle, it's really hard to go back and like. And so the so having a computer that sitting and contains and sitting on your desk seem like a really hard thing. And and again, I think I think unless you really are going to be on the road, having a laptop doesn't necessarily if you're using in at home all the time doesn't necessarily make sense.

So you're getting so much more bank for your buck from these mac mines with a monitor. You can know, of course, you get a nice monitor. You're paying about the same mont.

But I I get I have one nice monitor that I can do color correction on. The rest of them are these cheap, you know, one hundred and fifty dollar, ten eighty p twenty foreign. They work great.

We're forgetting there there's a almost a community of people that are like ipad pro or even ipad. Many users that essentially had travel with a mac mini as a headless mac and they use they use their ipad as a display for that.

And so that so .

that can make this even Better in the fact of the power supply is completely integrated. That's good news and bad news. It's obviously good news because it's just one simple cable you can replace for like ten bugs if you lose IT if you want of them.

I was when we were talking about this a while ago. Like, but we would be grave theyd made like an apple TV size mac. Many my fanti would be that we would be powered by, like power delivery over U.

S. B. yeah. So that in in certain scenario, I could get like power a with a power brick and just have that completely. But but this can make that all of those people really, really happy too.

I really wanted that to be that way, because in our school in africa, the number one thing that dies is the power supply. So we had we ended up, ended up with a bunch of pcs because I was too hard up IT was too hard to fix them IMAX. Like we started off with forty IMAX and over over ten years ended up with a bunch PC IT, just as as the IMAX died one after the other when the pcs, we just replace the so I was hoping to see the go to U.

S, B, C. The same way you had IT. Because a, you could also power, theoretically, ally, with some of these bricks. You could power two or three or these IMAX mama's at one time, but also if IT blows out the power supplies .

by another one. Even so though, I mean, IT was, most have gotten really close me. The power on the speak page consumes less than one hundred and fifty watts, and that's amazing. I mean, I I makes when I I look at like even compact, like those pcs, like they start at like three hundred watts and stuff with this kind of power, if you, if you, if you don't limit yourself to like tiny, tiny nux sized devices, like five hundred hundred watts is like almost the minimum that they consider to be a decent power supply for anything of any power. So this is an amazing accomplishment to get IT to work to those .

circumstances. And I bet a very rarely gets one hundred, fifty fifty maximum is probably Operating at half of that or less. Uh very quiet too. They say five dba at idle, which is basically silent even.

And there's there's saying the first carbon free.

completely carbon free match. I think .

they are .

saying first carbon nuo carbon now .

it's a combination. Um they changed the way they manufactured IT and they remember their power is all not credits, their power is all Green and they're using its fifty percent recycled materials in there. Good job.

And it's there's a lot less because they say they're using a new process that uses much less lum than all processes did. So yeah, it's just all that's all part of the story. This is I mean, literally fourteen years since they redesigned the enclosure of the mac mini the last time. So it's it's about time for also .

were not very aware that when you make a smaller, all of great reasons that we like things that are smaller, including beam of velcro to the back with display, but also that means that you get more mac mines per master cases, more master cases per shipping container now, fewer shipping container. So cost lessons.

what about? I mean, one reason people do by pcs is for discrete graphics cars. What about graphics performance? Alexy have an opinion. Are they keeping up or they catching not keeping up.

catching up for the vast majority of the audience. absolutely. You know the the graph, the interest graphics. When you start looking at that memory, the the memory bandwidth is really high compared to bus with um as well as you be integrated with the CPU is.

So it's it's a different problem because you can cut these things if you're building IT for the computer. The way that you use the C P U and G P U is very different in the way you would use a discrete GPU. Now, for the some of the stuff that I do, we still need in video and AMD cards. So so these are, uh, you know, so IT IT is like, I have things that we do that we need three or four of them in one computer. I can't do that with that you know obviously we can't do that right now um with any of the max um so h so I you know there is a there is a world that doesn't that needs more than what the max can do when you talk about a mac mini or you're talking about these seems I think that the performances very, very good for ninety nine percent of the market, you know. And I think that there is a one percent of markets that's gna still keep on buying linux r pcs because they need more dedicated and specific hardware.

Yeah and but I think .

that has the move, by the way, I think that more to do with how the apps are written than how the what the computer can do. So when we talk to APP developers who write from the ground up um and they write to the metal literally when they are writing tomato, they're taking full advantage of all of apple's as um the performance is outrageous on these machines is where people don't want to commit that much. And I just want a port code, do what they did before, use the old ways of doing things that you need a lot more horse power. So IT just depends on how much they dedicate their code to what apple is proposing in the infrastructure .

that apple was providing. medals. Good metals is good, but you need to write to IT, right?

You need, I mean, again, with any Operating system, the more you abstract from what the Operating system wants, whether that's windows or linux or or apple, less performance, you're going to get out of that hardware just to know. A lot of people are essentially lazy, know. And I mean, lady, I don't mean lazy like that to lay around, just they don't want you .

got a lot of around.

they don't want to do that if when you come to you like you know, good example is like zoom dedicated they have dedicated apps for every single platform, right? You know and it's written to take full advantage of every platform that they're interacting with. And IT feels it's why zoom runs so much smoother than all the other video conferencing access because because they're writing something, they're not trying to abstract anything.

They're taking full advantage each platform. And so so that's a good example. You see that. You see that anywhere and APP, that's why a lot of we like to work with mac only apps because we know that, that developers is developing for the platform that i'm using. Not trying to figure out how we get the same code to work on three different platforms. And that because that's never gonna as good as writing IT straight to the straight to the the .

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Jason snow is here thursday. He'll be covering the apple a quarterly results at six colors. Outcome is block with his world famous patented colored charts. Are you going to do one for halloween like an orange and black chart? You know?

Ah it's an interesting idea, but probably not.

Thank you. Excelsa is also hear office hours dark global. Do you do a halloween show for office hours show? No, you don't dressing costume. No.

not a really a different a different thing kind of guy like you know .

I I know you're very consistent .

ah I don't have a lot of so so I don't really shift shift .

you I do know you've added in I mac to your display behind you. Is that of keeping up with the Jones? Is imac a magi and all matter? We got a bondi blue imac.

I got a bound. This is a twenty four p bond. IT was like, hand for movies. This one is the old one, my classic. Um i've gotten some elemental .

just I have metal plates after you said that apparently rustle .

gave ge the plate swimmer, the orange ones though this kids .

was a twenty five thousand dollar machine up.

not to show up, but each one of those place was one hundred and thirty thousand.

oh my god. And we've effectively replaced IT with in software, in the cloud.

basically the ones that I .

we used to need this to stream to the a variety of platforms.

The ones, the ones that I had were still pretty competitive, even though they don't even make them anymore. But sixteen sixteen inputs with thirty two individual dreams still pretty powerful. But the um but they uh uh but yes, so that's what those were. Uh I got a little S I got the cube up here.

Oh, so yeah.

you I like, you know, it's my, it's my wall of appreciation, everything.

A lot of money from with the new mac. Many i'll be too small even notice up there .

you will receive. They're out of focus that be .

like we got flying toaster running on our on our mac classic.

John, my mac classic doesn't work.

I have to go. I have twenty. This is actually one twenty eight cak is the original and IT didn't work. The floppy didn't work. So we, john bought A A device that you can plug in to the floppy port that emulates a hard drive.

And and I wanted put, I keep on looking and I go, I should just put ipad in there, like, just put a new ipad. Yeah, ipad.

I was cut out a piece of because I couldn't get the scanner right, was a kind of piece of White paper and just put, it's just to, but now we got the scan working. Everything is nice. I love IT also, andy anika, when you can be on G, B, H next.

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live across north amErica in twenty twenty five. Get tickets now at live nation dot com. Um before we move on to apple intelligence, I would like to know, Jason, what's gonna be tomorrow, thursday and friday? What's apple going to announce?

Well, mark germen mentioned mak prose and we haven't seen them. So process of elimination that would .

be tomorrow.

okay, a apple results on thursday .

so they would do a product on thus.

I don't think so when in friday free space, I think nothing because in the its november and little, little visit for rowin.

So like the first week.

I think it's just my tuesday day and then I am really .

tempted to buy a mac mini just like you. I have an in one pro yeah maybe a max IT. Was there an ultra and one ultra make you?

yes. okay.

So lisa, I know I got lisa next one up so he has the in one I have the math.

yeah.

But I mean, i'm play value on and it's just fine. I don't feel like it's slower, anything, but this would be twice as fast. Women.

probably yeah.

yeah. Better documents will be so quick.

Key to work. great. I don't need IT. There's no justification for IT, but it's so cute. I know I think that one thing .

is nothing I was talking about. IT was like, how do you take full advantage of this um and I think that you know you could even talk coding. You could build a piece of software that did really good simple encoding that use one of these little for six hundred dollars. You could definitely do four k sixty of you have run .

in the background all the time.

Yeah I mean, there's a uh I don't know if it's on mac or but you know A W S now has released the software that they use for their links to and just into A W S. And I was taking a great .

little flex server, the least expensive one. I mean.

the power of the back, many for me, has been that I modular ze everythin's. So why i've got a bunch of them, and they all do their own little. They have their own that they do really well.

So do you give them little .

names like you know and called freezer? The other is you have the names on the front.

So have .

thing that I I actually I was kind of interesting. So they didn't have like when they either they have these big events in which they send the drones out to dive, bomb the apple campus and take those wonderful establishing shots, or they have like non event where they just do like a product video. And they released that this time, both for the imac and for the mac.

Many, they did something in between. They did like a ten minute version of the dive bombing the campus us. And having IT looked like, IT looked like I could have been part of a larger event. I know i'm sure IT wasn't, but I thought I was an interesting .

middle ground for them. actually. I wanted to ask, I wanted to ask you alex about this. I wants to ask alex about this because IT looked like the little characters. Are those real, these little characters running around?

Yeah, yeah. That's a till shift and lands.

It's till shift is IT it's like till shift IT .

looks very cute IT looks but .

they did something really cute with IT, which is not only a tilt shift, but it's it's time laps to tilt shift, right? Yeah yes.

So I think that's pretty cool. IT does IT create .

a great effect. We've used that a lot for the for taken down. If I show.

no, no, you don't put the sound on and you show IT and you are crop IT down by seventy five, twenty five percent and put IT over something it'll never get.

Yes, you say that I feel like I really, so just look at IT because it's cute anyway.

yeah. Well, no. Can I guys say suggestion something? We should have standing by. We should have like a cheap ten A D P H D monitor HDMI. We should smear like vacine over IT. And every time we wants to, like, show an apple video with the spaces, have a camera pointing at that, and so we can at .

least content. I D be fooled by that. You think just for people were going, what are they talking about? We get taken down instantly.

We get strikes. I mean, they they're serious about us. You might see another platforms. But for some reason you take twitch.

we get to I I think you know to get back to the announcement. I think that while apple probably was one of the key company to bring keynotes, to make keynotes what they are today with Steve jobs, I think they're the process of disassembling that right now, which is that this shows this. This is a new strategy.

This is not just for them. I don't know a new strategy.

but IT sure feels like IT. And I think that is great. Like I even wonder why you need to do three in a week. I I think they could have done imac two weeks ago in the mac, many last week. And the .

advantages there is some buzz with saying apple is doing an event in people to tune, see what IT is and you get them all in one place. The disadventure ges, if are going to tell story about three max, somebody, he's just gna like there's going a headline about one of them and instead their headlines about each of them every day. So I mean, you just you pick your poison, I guess. But I think this is .

a good I think that you can get to a point where apple releasing something every I just have a ten minute video about something new that they released and you that and then you still have the big ones that .

are the yeah people and .

the world will tune in for that. C makes sense.

but the others don't necessarily have to be anything but this. My one criticism of what they have done this week is that the video seem super low key. Like the video should be much more easy to spot on apple's website.

They are posting them to youtube, which is great and social media. But like if you go to apple that come yesterday, there was not like a way to watch the imac video directly. And today is the same with the mac mini video.

And even when you go to the page about the mac mini, the video doesn't show up. It's just like a little thing. This is watch the video and it's supersubtle. And I I like I don't like that.

Wonder if they're pushing to pushing people to youtube because I didn't even think about what watching on the apple site. I do youtube. Okay, let's go to the apple page.

I dad wants to push people to youtube, maybe, but but I think that building up the youtube presence isn't necessarily bad for apple. I do think that watches. I will say that I do think that they should stream this.

I know that they record IT them and they're playing them out, but creating like a little, a little event that that has new that streams amount live. It's lot more expensive, I will say. But but the but I think that, you know, we would have stopped and watched IT live if IT was alive, if IT was a schedule.

And so I think that there is a unified experience. Maybe they going to save that for dc and further iphones, but I do think this this makes so much more sense. I mean, y're making their case in ten minutes. Um it's it's more compact. Um we get all the information that we want. I keep on looking at I going shooting this some iphone like you like because they see at the end they are like all shot with an iphone and you're like smokes like you don't think about IT anymore like at first you thought about .

IT and I didn't think about until I tell shift is there .

a till ship for the iphone? You can do tilt shift style with anything to A T. So yeah, you you can make IT look. You make IT look like that. My age.

I used to have a lens that you would kind of angle and do these things.

And they be little tweaking. Now it's you can have IT, it's a kind of it's a way that the focus works, but that can be definitely rebuilt. But the um I do think that i'm not sure that, uh, there is one space that they are talking in, like when they announced them at many, I don't think that that exists. Like I think that they've made up a space for those that part of .

the no that's the the observatory, that's their new location, new build next actually finds .

that just before, like the big iphone event, some style, it's some architectural magazine actually got exclusive look at IT. I wondering what that space is going to be used for.

Yeah and at first I thought that I was a tell us some a bit, I saw a little White edges. So I thought that I might be a can't you might be like A A Green screen but too much movement. And if you do that with an iphone, I just don't think I would I think I would probably do all of those um or most of them.

There's definitely some effects you know of in there. But but IT was it's really they're really doing a good job at a dog shooting their phones for for shooting. It's kind of an amazing I don't think anybody or trying .

to by the way, thanks to into tech in our youtube channel who says so you said that they knew mac many is five by five, the apple TV four case, three point six six by three point six six inches. So IT is bigger than an apple TV.

You can make a little .

permit with the right to a tower of her mini.

the new mac many and right apple TV. Then you, then your ipod, your ipod case, air pod's .

case you .

speaking of airports. So eighteen one came out on monday. I did want to compare the hearing age experience on their pod pro versus actual hearing is. And I did. And I quickly went back to my actual hearing aid.

I'm a big fan of the idea of over the count of hearing aides and an expensive hearing aid because most people, when they see the Price, tagg, a lot of insurance policies do not cover hearing aid and they see it's going to cost them thousands of dollars. Yeah, I don't need him that bad. And people should have hearing aides who have hearing loss that really IT makes a difference in quality of life, but also and cognitive decline.

I am a big believer also going in anodic logic, but I did the test on the phone. Apple said I that I had no hearing loss. So that wasn't so great.

That's that's, yes, that wasn't great.

That's not great. But nevertheless, ze IT gave me a curve with a little hearing loss. So and I applied IT. I I realized that the big what the big differences. So with real hearing aides, even some of the over the counter hearing aides, you have a thing behind your ear is the battery and the logic in the microphone. And then a little tiny piece that comes with a clear tube and goes in your ear IT doesn't block your ear.

So when you're wearing hearing aides like my otis and i've warned this darkies and resources as well, you hear the you hear everything that's going around naturally because this still goes into your year hole. The little speaker that you put in there is amplifying the speech frequencies so you can understand speech Better. That's all it's doing.

And when I put in the airports, IT seals my ear. And so as a result, I don't get ambient sounds except through the area pod's microphone. So that is a very different experience is a little bit isolating because i'm now hearing only what the microphone hears.

IT is inevitably little process a little different than just hearing the real sound. And I didn't like IT. I felt like I was I was plug up my ears.

Now I wear in your monitors that do plug up my ears so it's not that. And I like airports for listen to music. But but as a day to day hearing aid, I think I prefer my regular hearing aides. Um having said that, the apples did exactly what a hearing aid would do to amplify the speech, was smart about where you're looking and did a lot of really cool computational audio good for somebody when .

they want to spend two hundred and fifty dollars. Great replacements. There's not going to a lot and not a lot of all the things at two hundred of dollars. There are even five hundred dollars and you get two pairs of them.

So i'm all for because I think really is important that people and I think people get used to the idea that you're wearing your pods when you talk to people will just know that that's you're using him as hearing aides not listening to your favorite podcast instead of paying attention. Um so I think it's good, but I would say that there is there is a very much of a difference between audiologist prescribe hearing aides.

My audiologist does a lot more than just the beat boot test. I mean, there's all i've done, I think, three of four tests. And then when you get the hearing aides they had, it's really interesting.

They play back speech of variety of languages and measure what the hearing is getting in tunit all the frequencies to do a whole budget stuff that you just can't. You're not going to do. And it's to one hundred fifty thousand hearing aides. So there is an advantage to going to an audiologist and buying hearing aides. There is a huge disadventure, very expensive, and it's much Better than nothing to have airports. So that my review, for what is worth, if you know for your hearing aid users, which should continue to use your hearing aid because that is probably a Better experience sense IT is for me for sure at let's talk about eighteen one. And I guess, Jason, you said there's two because they also release the the beta .

for eighteen e two two second wave. So we basically have the first wave of apple intelligence has gone out to everybody this week and the second wave has gone out as a developer data, which again, I think apple is being really clever here of kind of, you know, when they put out the iphone, they also put out a public data of the first wave of apple intelligence.

So they couldn't be accused of not making IT available, at least in some form if you wanted to get IT. And now when you talk about the first wave shipping, you sort, sort of need to talk about the second wave, which we've seen because it's actually. Shipping in a way as a developer beta.

So they're trying to broaden like what is in apple intelligence ces that go so that there are a whole bunch of new features, in fact, that I think a much more impressive collection of things in the point two developer data, then what shipped in point one, point one is very mild. I think what i've noticed, especially in social media in the last day or so, is we cover this stuff closely, right? We watch IT.

We think about that, we talk about IT here. But the vast majority of people don't. They see those ads. They see the branding for rapper intelligence and then they update to eighteen, one where it's like, welcome to apple intelligence.

And what i've noticed is a large number of deep misunderstandings about what's going on that won't blame the people for I really blame apple for misinforming them about IT. The one that I keep saying more than anything else is even some reasonably well informed people who say, oh, great. Apple intelligence is here with point one, i've going to try out syria and see if series any Better.

And what can I tell you? It's not like the Better serious stuff series Better at one very specific thing, which is if you sort of stammer, stumble over your words, correct yourself. IT will be Better at understanding what you're saying. But in terms of quarrying sources and understanding what's on your screen and and stuff like that, that apple has promised, doesn't gonna happen allow us not onna happen until next spring.

So uh, I think that this is apple reaping what IT shows a little bit in terms of overpromising what's in apple intelligence right now and people maybe misunderstanding IT and thinking that this is a done deal and it's all big, didn't there? When in fact it's you know point one, it's summaries in summer ding tools and and not even the image generation stuff because that's coming in point to so it's a very light apple intelligence gave you and that's okay. It's it's fine. Think I think notably.

it's the harmless features, the ones that are like notification summaries, which in itself people who have been tested them have had certain feelings about. But we're not talking about they're not introducing any image editing tools, are not introducing any like take over your do your job for you, do your homework for you tools. IT really is baby steps.

They're very, very content to and they crake for the rigi actually joined us in the wall street general, had a twenty posted to twenty minute interview with crag federici about apple intelligence. So clearly, they really want to get that messaging out that this is not the finished features. This is just the first thing that we're releasing on a long continuum of features.

I mean, they are for different site there. They're actually they're still calling IT beta. And technically speaking, there is a waiting list for IT.

You don't it's not activated immediately. I have to be fair. I only like IT only took like I was expecting old gosh, maybe done loaded yesterday. I was thing. I've got to hope I have a time to take. They prove before before like tuesday show and I got in in like an hour or two, but that they're not expecting everybody to be using this aggressively immediately. No, nor are they prepared to.

But they also know that um it's not like there is not like blackberry and microsoft and android having to react to the presence of the first multiple ch iphone on the market where they know that okay, is coming on a swift horse. We need to actually get things out really, really quickly. It's A I is going to have some sort impact. It's going to power some features that some features that people are certainly to expect in their phone, but it's not going to drive sales really for at least another couple years until everyone figures out what the with what the table stakes are for AI on a mobile device.

So when I put eighteen one on there, I did not get a pop up or anything. So I realized, oh, I don't. I still not have IT.

So there is a new entry for apple intelligence in the settings. And I asked for IT, just like literally five minutes ago. Yes, and it's now preparing IT.

So the way I got the pop up on my ipad, I did not get the pop up on my mac, which was kind of weird.

Yeah, I haven't seen on the mac either, so I don't get that anywhere. But interesting. Ly, I applied for the on the phone and we're looking at my ipad and IT says preparing as well.

So I think think I think pretty for one device, you get you get access tool for the entire apple. When I was improved on, when I was improved on, the ipad immediately appeared on my mac. Yeah.

so I was hoping that I could just like you, andy, I was hoping I could play with the camera here. But I guess i'll let you guys play with IT. The story in the wall street journal join astern says apple and intelligence isn't very smart yet. And apples okay with that. Um are they really okay with that?

Actually, they're single .

a single of things that are a signature for them, which is very positive, which is we don't have a we're not like google. We're not like open a eye wear. We are trying to build an entire industry based on artificial al chAllenges.

Es those two captions, they have plans to go way beyond like a smart assistant on your phone or auto complete text on your phone, which is pretty much what apple seems to be learning themselves to. Let's add features to this line of specific line of apple products. They really google wins if they become the the render farm, the computer farm for artificial intelligence applications and research.

So that's the game that they're playing. Apples realizes that they can play the slow game and actually they able no is a no one's going na complain above to them about sah what we're being very, very conservative. Meanwhile, there are so they're technically, yes, you can say they're behind, but they're also not getting a whole bunch of like alarming press coverage about stupid things that their latest product did in the in the A I space.

Like some other companies that I could even talk about there. I want the most interesting things, the cragg federici peace, was that even when IT comes to image dating, he said that they're being very, very conservative. There's a lot of discussion about like there are things that are really just instinctively cool and applicable and and makes sense to a lot of people, which is again, I took, I took, I got a picture of of my of of my kid at the disney world.

Unfortunately, there was like a guy in the background with a party naked t shirt on. And I really don't want to have that like in the background. It's cool when you're using adobie light room or are using A A google product, just simply tap on the guy and he simply disappeared and is filled in with more disney land. But there but cragged thing we we we're we're worried about what is the truth of the picture and are should we be response for .

altering the truth of the picture of why does allow you to completely alter the picture with fantasy that something google does? Apples say that I want to do that and .

and that's also perfectly legitimate. I mean, just because they don't do IT doesn't mean that it's a thing if they prohibit adobe an adobe APP from doing that on the iphone. That's I mean, there's also a big component of apple intelligence where h ChatGPT is.

If I can if the apple intelligence s can't handle something and wants to send something out to ChatGPT, it'll something out to ChatGPT. Isn't that really, really roMilly like in cleverness where they're basically saying that anything that could be really, really controversial that could get us in trouble? We're happy to let somebody else do that, and you can blame them for that. Meanwhile, will give you some warnings about sending something out of ChatGPT, and then our hands are clean.

interesting. Ly, only this is literally five minutes later. It's now saying, okay, you've got IT. Yeah.

the way it's not very long. I mean.

you're mostly just are they even doing that?

They have the models. I think they want a function to get, uh, this in case there are issues, especially that some of their stuff is on a cloud server. And if they feel overwhelmed, they can limit the people coming in to get apple intelligence.

So we've got a few ways of kind like controlling an but you do also have to download the models. And so that's part of the process. And and that happens afterward what's happening with the developer, but is really interesting.

The people who downloaded that right away and asked for access to the image generation tools, many of them got them, but everybody since then has not got nexus to them. They haven't. I haven't heard.

I think my maybe got access the other day, but like I still don't have IT. A lot of no, very few people I know even have IT. So there is something going on in the developer ba aside, where they are being a little more limited in rolling those features out to devices, which is also interesting.

Yeah, that was quick. I didn't. There was a few things.

It's gonna and that's IT. Yeah, the summaries might be good. Are they good? Did they do good job? yes. yeah.

And they're not perfect, but they're good. They're very helpful. Sometimes you get apps that really spam you with summaries or with novices. And in if you ve got like a smart dorm. Ck, and this is like the door open and closed and open and closing, open, close. IT will say, um the door opened and closed a lot IT most recently closed at this time and so that which is all you really need to know, right? Or or for me, that was my home like irrigation controller or was like the irrigation system brand and then a this time, and that's all I needed to know when I I didn't .

need to know that. I think that's actually much.

did you not? One hundred percent perfect. Sometimes that gets IT wrong, but I would say more useful than not.

And and just a simple ability to say, here's a whole bunch of text I don't have time to read right now. Please summarize IT form me so I can prioritize what I will actually read. That is like taking the party naked guy, A T shirt guy from the back ground of a of a disney world picture.

That's another one of those things that is immediately relevant to so many people, those little things they work fine to. And also this time, forget that when h they're probably getting access also because for a lot of the features that are not being done on device, that's all being done on apple servers, on apple fast apples to look at their private and their private private security system. That means that they can't simply buy more compute if they are being overloaded any one time they have to buy more land. We have to they have to get more, more service up and running.

Yes, yeah, not be interest to see if ample starts to do. Like the no book I M stuff that google doing is just mind bodingly good. Like just just mind boggling good.

Yeah did you see meat last week released their version of IT? And that sounds crappy.

It's like I am not even been talking about the park.

I'm talking about .

you take a bunch of document just in and starting .

natural positions for time is all there .

for apple. It's all there for up to do, right? Like they can connect your notes or notes with different tags or whatever. Like imagine apple building all that in in their system, but it's going to take that's probably a uh, next cycle kind of thing for them because they're still getting up to speed. But there's there's still a good stuff like in in point one, I mean, we should mention writing tools because writing tools is in point one.

And although in IT, IT doesn't write for you or IT doesn't start right like IT, IT seems like rewrite things for you but it's not like going it's not like t like right me a thing you know um in point two.

IT does let you do that using ChatGPT but in point one IT doesn't but still IT as a writer I can tell you everything I write gets worse when I put IT through riding tools. But that is not surprising, right? Because i'm actually a Wright and I do this.

But the truth is lots and lots of people struggle with the written word, people who are very smart, but that writing never came naturally to them and they feel very uncomfortable. And they're also a lot of people for whom english is not their primary language or their first language. And so not about the people that are like above the bar and above the average.

It's about the people who really struggle getting more confidence to know that, that that the software that comes on their mac or on their iphone can make sure that what they're writing make sense or is the professional or anything like that? I think and I think that we need to acknowledge that because is very would be very easy to popup IT and say, oh, this is a silly feature, but actually I think I will be a big deal for a lot of people and my kids. So you know, my kids can't write a professional email or cover letters, save their lives. And you that one of the advances of using this is instead of sending their text to me to that, you press a professional butter and IT looks Better. Also, a front of mine pointed out, if you're really mad at somebody and you're sending them an angry email, if you can just stop long enough to go, you know.

please nice IT .

just back off a little back.

make nicer button is really great and the there's .

an natural make nicer but .

oh friendly they more .

friendly they is actually .

and and I think that IT brings you towards the mean, right? And so the issue below the mean, it's great. And above the mean.

it's not great because l ms. Are all about flattening everything to the to the and that's why they're decline shade and their kind of boring and they're of obvious. But if you struggle with writing and and I really know, judged here, my dad was an incredibly smart guy, and I mean, he couldn't write to save his life.

He just couldn't. I remember him writing things down on a no. And then legal. What is this? Because I was always super verbal.

Like for people like that who are then then put in a in a situation where they had to send an email for their job, where they had to send a text. And it's very important and they have they're completely at C2Be abl e for the OS. Just built in to throw them a life pressure and say we can help you is a big deal.

There are a lot of things that are give diseases. What this is like, you know like I write a lot of proposals and there's got to a cover letter for IT and they won't accept that if you don't have a cover letter, but no one reads the cover letter, but has to be reasonably good, yeah has to cover the things that you need to say, whatever. And I just say, I just tell ChatGPT write me cover letter. These are the highlights. This is the thing I wanted reform IT with your address and blaw blow, ask me questions if you don't know what you posed to do and asked me a couple of questions.

In boom, there's a couple one of the most clever features in in the writing tools that are in point one that are out there right now. You can make an executive summary, essentially it's called like make IT a bulleted or something like that, but it's an executive summary. We know we know what that feature is.

That feature is for for an executive, a boss that you're working for, to fancy himself. So important that i'm not gna repair or just give me to me in a bulleted list. And so IT makes a bullet list with little boldface points with Collins.

And then like a little one liner about that, IT is making an executive summary. And again, you should look and make sure that actually summarized as the points you want, but it's kind of brilliant. And when you're like, okay, do you as a as a worker need to weighed through a four page document and generate an executive.

somebody you do that you haven't in a text so you might if it's SHE did this with her interview with fear, federici and presumable use with or something to .

transact select and you choose writing tools. And then in this case, it's create it's called create key points. I mean that you might as well be create learnings, right? IT is IT is for the boss who wants bullet points. But I will do that you will so you can generate summary or create key points and it's it's really smart.

So in point two to Alice is point not only in point two, can you just write anything? And I will say I will use ChatGPT and give you something back, but you can also, they're opening and up in point two, where you can give IT, particularly new ones. So instead of saying this, all these predict things make friendly, make a more professional.

You can also say, like in the box, you can click and type, make this a little bit funny, but not too funny, or make this have some problems in IT or whatever, and IT will do that. Uh, so you don't have to be limited to the prepaid stuff if you've got a prepared because get in the end. It's not so much about apple controlling IT. I think with the predict as IT being something that I believe for a long time, which is anytime somebody with a LLM tells you look at everybody's favor, interface a blinking cursor in a blank box that you have to type with something to coercion to do something is like, I really like the idea that there is a professional button and a happy button. But they are letting you, if you have a very specific need in point two, you can actually do that.

I'm starting I was I was just going to say that this is it's it's so much fun to be like our age and be able to see the transition between what considers what considers what Marks y with someone who's really, really good at using digital tools.

And now we're at the dawn of a new age where it's like be really, really good at explaining what you want and be really, really good at encouraging the tool you're working with to correct what you don't think is appropriate or correct for the problem. So where us, at one point you can it's no, it's no longer technically necessary to be this all star of eight different frameworks and programing languages. The fact that, you know, to start a conversation with high, this is what i'm trying to do. This is what I this is the results and kind of looking for. I mean, it's amazing to think that the idea of politics is now a technical skill and in historically has not always been the case.

Well, and I think that the the the the other thing is, is just that the on the ano, whether A S can take over or not. But I will say that if you latch on to some of these things, like again, when we look at L M, which I am just kind of a little obsessed with, is that is that you throw a book in there, I I throw a book in and a build a podcast of IT is like, I know for four page book, a little podcast was Better description than I could have made, like the podcast was Better than any way I could have.

And I made up stuff that I was like that's really insight of of that from that book and and I and I just never thought I ve never never thought of that way and uh the um and I think that then I became really obsess with I really wanted throw every booking. So I started trying to figure out like how do I get all my kindle books out of that formats? Get IT in. But I realized with apple eventually just going to look at all my book library and just let me interrogate my book klyda like good.

these twenty .

books on the civil war together. And then I am going to ask, you know, what were the most important point of grants career? Or where did he do this? when? When was he sitting? There was a point where grant was on the side of a river and the confederates were sneaking y over. What battles was that .

never fight up, hill, me boys never fight up in.

And not just that, thinking about like I use reader a lot R E D E R to keep on track of all kinds of different news sources and yeah blogs i've really, really like and to aggregate all those into a subset of things that I want to read later or saver whatever wouldn't be.

I can't wait for the day when just as through the sharing sheet, like the reader APP just simply has a connection to nl that can do basic, no book, L M, or something like that where I can be driving, drawn on our long commute or on on the trainer, whatever. And it's just reading me, not considering give me the same experience like doing text to speech to reading these things. But basically, well, here are the you saved like you thought that ninety six articles were interesting.

Let's give you overview of what IT. And then if it's going then, if it's about to move on, if they actually know a stay more. Did that article about what's happening in indonesia did IT sound as though they're banning the use of iphones in in indian edia or just the well, actually there's then I can stop.

Okay, make a note about that. That sort of thing we can start to interrogate back. That's exactly what they demonstrated back in at google I O this year.

yes. So what apple I feel like that is the next phase of apple intelligence, and it's gonna interesting because that's not gna happen until next year. That's a twenty five, twenty six product cycle thing because one of the little catches that shows you that apple is behind is the stuff that apple's building now is, for the most part, world off with apple stuff, right? Like it's apple building, apple's purpose built stuff that ties into apple intelligence.

And if you talk to developers, APP developers other than APP tense, which will allow theory to control their apps and use features from those apps this spring, sometime there's nothing in there like I know multiple APP developers who are like. So there's an LLM running on the iphone. now.

Wouldn't IT be nice if I civil ity, the developer of reader or marka ARM and the developer of overcast could use the l to do something. But right now they can't. The only way they could do IT is they would have to build, train their own model, put IT in their APP and then you know rn IT on device, which they could do but wouldn't be Better as an APP developer. If you could use apples model.

I think that .

will happen next year.

yes, but isn't a great that as part of a broader strategy. And again, this is why when I went, if we need, if anybody needs, is a scusin apples behind an AI IT depends on what you mean by behind they when they first outlined their multi year plan with some the most impressive stuff is. And by the way, we are going to have basically a framework so that an APP like reader could simply say, hi, AI apps.

I am capable of doing this. If you ask me in this way, I will give you these answers for that. And the ability to say, and if you don't want to use our language models, if you or R A I models bring on your own, they will interface just nicely. So IT doesn't feel as the apple would have to either enter into a really intimate relationship with the developer of make that happen nor with the developer have to do that much more than what is strictly required to make that APP could have that function. That's super exciting.

Again, the apple has access to all of your personal data in which they are proportionally keeping exactly secret and secure.

And and so and the issue there is that if you if you as apple build that out and provided back to the developers where this is where cutting off the developers makes sense, you know like you know you, I don't want everybody to be seeing all the things that i'm pretty boring guy, but but mostly thought you know like but you can imagine like I don't want to dig some I don't want some random's thing to be digging all my email, uh or digging through all these other things and and I think that that is the advantage that apple has. Everybody else is as as they build this out. They they control the hardware and the process, and they have this three layer system. And at first, that hour layers going to be ninety percent. And by five years from now to pre, by twenty percent, and ten years from now, or five be five percent, everything inside that .

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without the ads so Jason， you have an article on six colors are released the second wave of intelligence features what's new in eighteen two.

So the modifications to ready PPT integration, which is a huge one, right?

Like U. K. So it's federigo e. Talks about this with a joana stern or general article. They sent IT out to ChatGPT when this the on device model is inspired, right?

That's the idea is the model actually checks and says, can I answer this or not? And if I can't, that I will offer to take IT out to GPT. Although you can say, don't ask me, just do IT.

And you can also say, I pay for a ChatGPT n here's my logging and yeah then it's integrated and then you use their terms instead of whatever apple is negotiated. Also understanding is, you know there aren't limits. Like if you're thinking, wow, free ChatGPT, I can use IT forever through syria and I won't matter and I won't.

I believe you there are limits. If you use IT all the time, you will run up against the limit. As a free apple user, there will be a limit to what you can do with IT.

But but still that's integrated in in in theory. But also, like I said, in writing tools in some other places where you can do that. So so it's a start.

It's clear that they want to add other models and they want to add google in there. They probably want to add other assistance in there. But this is the this is the starting point for that. Um I would say one of the biggest things in there is image playground and the other image generating tools. These are the things that, that we're seeing for the first time.

Like I said, there's a waiting list and I haven't been able to get through, but the idea that you can generate things that are pigs are like or their hand wrong like, but they are like image based on your prompt or based on again, rather than just having a beef filling and text in an empty box. What a great interface they're like, giving you little tokens where you can they suggest things that you can add in and that's very helpful, uh, as well. And then je mogi is a part of that, which i'm actually more excited about because that because that's trained on the style apple's image only.

And so it's a very limited data set where you're making more emotion in the style of apple's m mogi said, which I think will end up being kind of a fun. Somebody sent me a picture of like a duck with sunglasses on, dressed up like one of the characters from miami vice like t shirt and bright color jacket and I was like, and but it's an a mogi and i'm like, I don't know what we call this m mog cool duck but IT was IT was great and IT looked like an a mogi so um so there's some of that in there and then they're they've got this this warned feature for when you're using the pencil, which is interesting. You're taking notes and the idea is you sketch something out and then you go to the one tool, new circle IT and IT basically generates A A Better version of the dumb thing that you sketched.

Of course, apple's examples for this are terrible, because apple can't bear to show bad looking art in its example. So like A W, B, C, they did this where somebody built, drew this beautiful temple, hand drawn, and then they circle LED IT IT. And I turned into, like, an A I generated version of a temple.

And I was sitting there are thinking, don't do that. Like, that was a beautiful drawing. Change my ugly drawing, because i'm bad at IT.

I am really bad, so I am looking forward to trying that feature out because that might be an example where I draw stupid stick figure doing a thing and then I go, hey, make this look Better and have to do that. So the three different kinds of image generation and there um are, I think a big part of IT. And then there's some more stuff, visual intelligence, which they showed off with the sixteen iphone sixteen is there. Although it's really just like a GPT ChatGPT or google reverse image search or translation APP right now, IT needs to be way smarter about analyzing the photo and suggesting things you can do with IT but again, develop bate a one that may be on the way um and goodness ws for people who are not in the us. In point two you can use its still english only so far but if you're in canada, U K, australia, new zealand, south africa english you can be in your local english localization and use apple intelligence in that language which is a step up and then the the there are some more languages .

that are coming next year um do you know think about the uh search ample is ask us ask slum o questions that in detect pull answers out of the girl photos library. So I just got access to ask photos on google photos. And IT really is like a very, very powerful tool for all the little data that you accidentally even potentially collect through in the .

google also does that with screen shots, right? And almost as a database of things you've seen in the search .

in photos got good with this go around where it's just you type anything in there and IT doesn't amazon after its index tuc photo library, IT does, which IT does locally, IT doesn't. Amazing job of finding what you're looking for. And theory is tied with IT.

I haven't tested that, but I should be Better at that. And again, next year, it's also adding a whole bunch of those features where if you're looking at a photo, you should be able to say, can you find other photos that are like this? And IT knows what photo you're looking at. But that's not not yet, but because one of the reasons they made search so good in photos because they knew that would be a way that the assistant could go and um make a quick photo query and get you what you wanted.

You play much. I'm just quick just to give a quick example, like as soon as I had ask photos, I ask a question what time chea shop close today and because there's a new chee shop that opened two weeks ago, I took a picture, not of the sign that says this is a chea shop that just a little hand marker resigned in the window with the store hours out and IT correctly said, oh, closes at six pm. That's the sort of stuff that your apple users are going to get to access to. It's a transformative sort of thing.

People are to use there of their camera to kind of make notes. I take picture of.

I do IT all the time, but I don't. But then you have to know where you're going. Like I think there's going a point where like I always take one of the airport, I always take a picture, you know j five, whatever part come back I member where IT is saying .

you are watching ganging the answer just imagine.

just tell you know a nowadays your watch no, your phone will tell you where you part. So it's less I learning that is less important to do that, but still be able to take pictures of stuff somewhere in the world and have IT just contextually remembred.

That is going to be really exciting, really what A I is, how A I is gonna the world is in these little details that are going to suddenly be incremental added to your life. So I think apples is probably pretty smart. They don't feel any rush to do this.

Google released everything all at once. Apple says, now we're going to driver IT out to you. We want to get IT right. And and IT really is that it's like the at machine, you know part of our lives now we wouldn't dream .

of walking into the bank.

That's a good point.

Cash right was like moving but but like even just the little things like the the in the photo clean up is so well done in photos like he just open stuff up and you're like you start selecting things like just to get rid of all things. You know you will .

be hated the new photos if you come around.

I know I hate the new photos on I my eyeball to, but on my mac I am fine with IT like that. IT works well, I expected to. So um I still don't use. I just kind of stop using on my phone like I take camera pictures and then I waiting time and sitting .

front my but to your mac, which is nice. yes.

So I like my my work, my workflow has adJusting to my dislike for photos. So you just .

like is only on IOS is not is the IOS it's .

the phone APP that just drives me absolutely crazy. Still feel like I can't like it's selecting things I don't want to select and it's finding things I don't want to find and i'm like, and I wanted to do any these things like I just want, like I just, I just want to find the photo that I want to show someone while i'm standing there. And IT never does that.

One of these days, I want to see what you're doing. A women were together in person because I don't understand why IT is like that for you who doesn't any sense to me and .

just like and IT. And so I I just i'm just like, okay. And then I and then and again, I just noticed that as I was doing the beta that I you got to get, I guess I used to open up photos just for fun. Like, hey, what is gonna suggest to me that I should know I can send photos to my, to my kids and my wife, whatever fund photos so photos was like this fun thing and that seems to be that way no what so and it's just IT was kind of sliding for me as well.

But anyway, point is the photos on the back is great like it's it's super powerful and um and i'm like the distraction removal is I I just I was playing with that since I got so you know and I hadn't play with the total, got release today and I started opening up and just starting to get rid of this, get rid of this and and the highlights everything just kind of tap on IT like no no or of a dozen highlighted, you circle IT and just disappears and and it's not perfect. There was a couple of things that couldn't figure out based on debt or whatever. But but for the most part of IT just nails IT.

Um I think people are going to use that. This is this is what apple really good at. Here's a simple thing that everyone's gone to use all the time. Just going to clean up their photos all the time without having to think about IT and I just built into their computer and they just don't think about cleaning that up will be second nature.

I do. We added that to photoshop and light room. And just literally just anything you think is a distraction. Get rid IT.

And I take the photoshop like i've been doing in photo. Photoshop is incredible. Like it's not it's doing something way past what photos doing, which is that I like I get a lot of photos of guests for our shows. And there, you know, little weird square, square, whatever. I just move them to all I one on the sixteen by nine image and just say make up the rest of the there's two of them that don't make any sense but the first one of the second one .

usually works yeah the number times I won't into hour how much I love these features. But the number times where i've had to throw out an image because damage just I can't crop the wrong angle and unfortunately there's like part of this person's hockey stick been cut off and the ability is simply, well, you can straight out that angle and we will fill in most, most part of the background if you want to go even far so far as to say, please regenerate part to stick this outside of the frame, do that too.

He put account on. But there's all this text here, I just like selected in photoshop and just go and then I just put put IT where I need to go and and you know this again, these are the little things that I think apple is going to do well that really make more of a difference for everyday life than a lot of the bigger things that were that .

we're quick stories before we get to our pick of the week as get that to be that time to wrap things up. Apple has won its lawsuit against maximo over mathew s health watch, the one they don't sell anymore and the jury awarded to a .

wapping two hundred and .

fifty dollars. I don't think that this is not the blood thing is with that. This is kind of, I think, apples revenge.

And they sued for this wearable able, trying to say the ole massa infringed on all on so many of our patterns, hoping that they can then use that to roll IT into a way of getting that that back again. So they won. They lost nearly every claim. I think they won on two of them. The reason why the the award was so low was because apple just suit .

for two hundred fifty dollars.

They will not knowing that. But they wanted a jury trial. They did not want just the judge to evaluate this and products really. And that's like the minimum you can ask for in a jury trial. So IT just so nothing knows a waste of time yeah two hundred and fifty boxes in by like what two thousand goes for that. So that's not a small number berdos.

We also have learned that apple is testing a blood sugar APP, which is interesting. It's certainly something they would like to be able to measure blood sugar in a watch. That's a lot harder.

It's a lot harder.

I would not do that.

I will say that are people who make sugar y foods and and also process foods if they think that atkins was a problem. Yeah, everybody having a blue coast monitor is the end like IT is like as soon as they see what what those the impact of their food and it's that easy and they're not paying um four hundred dollars and then two hundred dollars among to do IT if it's just on their watch. This is a it's a extremely disruptive technology to put into a watch and seven millions of IT will change buying a dramatically. And so it's really that's why they're king on IT is because it's going to make when they say it's going to make a big difference in health.

they mean that even, even, even for people are not at redivide a wow, why? Why do IT? Wow, why do I feel like crap today? And then they just happened to look at their water.

Oh, I got two notification saying that my literature Spike, like, okay, maybe that was. And that happened exactly when I was. I decided to eat in an entire cheesecake. Wow, that was probably the reason why I felt .

like craft for this day. Yeah and having IT on your risk all the time and then it'd been able to send you alerts and IT being able to say, hey, you know you just take something, what do and I will eventually know what you you know like like those things and IT starts to build this thing and and everyone's going to realize that process foods .

are worse than smoking. If you've always wanted to watch Kevin costner dive disinterred, maybe you'll get your move, you'll get your wish. Argan trail, the action comedy movie now in development at apple. Kevin customer is not attached to the project, but that we can always hope right.

Well, he's mame with the vision. Just don't let them direct or right or if he's one the first people who dies. So we can just simply say service table. I have a great track record .

for western of the let's put in that way the yellow stone fans are still a little .

was the hollywood close. Hollywood reporter has an exclusive the sources tell them that the movie will feature a couple of original musical numbers .

in the apartment. You've got this and Terry organ trail, ladies and gentlemen, you've always wanted IT. Now you've got an action movie with music coming to apple TV sometime probably next year, I would guess. And finally, the the starbucks. I know you all remember when the Steve jobs call internet .

device section. Here I want to show you something truly dark books, which is google maps in the .

iphone announcement. In order what the order he ordered coffee for all of us in the audience, two thousand. Yeah, those that starbucks, which was right there in the and the arba boyer center is closed, is closing that it's gone. Not a great neighbor.

I got to say, got the last time days out to starbucks .

used to be right across my office.

Oh, that's right. Yeah.

there was something horrible going on there almost once, at least once a week. Someone crazy come in in yan. People across that.

People get into fight. IT was, I was surprised that lasted as long as I did. I mean, I went there every day. Last of me, you got to see when about a couple times and they drive more than I.

But that was kind like IT that the same for sysco. Ronda could not find a photo of IT without garbage cans in front. But there you have IT.

These things happen. The fourth street starbucks, yeah gone, but not forgotten. Actually it's still there. If you want to visit IT .

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Alex linsey, you're pick of the week or it's I .

pull as as you far before and knowing what temperature is important but decided to ian so and and I found that like you know, you get a lot of things formed around you have to go down and look at IT and I and I got this in kerg pool thermometal ks around in the pool and I can literally walk near the pool, like out my office here and open up my phone and I just gives me the entire, uh, history so it's it's simple, never minute.

So it's not just that. It's telling me what the temperature is right now. IT gives I get to see what all the trends are.

So I know I happen to know that my is as warm as it's going to get between five four forty five and five thirty every day right now. And when the sun changes, little change. But being able to see all that, all that data is really, really useful as far.

And I just your phone, it's IT works on android or iphone. It's going to connect over blue tooth. So you do have to be within twenty thirty feet of IT um but IT for me IT works pretty much almost the entire pool.

If I just walk out of my office and I can kind of to see what that looks like, but again, it's not just like, oh, what is the temperature right now? It's what has the temperature been? When is that at the coldest?

It's gonna when is the hard as it's gonna um you know you kind of can build your your swimming patterns around IT. So a smiling has become more of my a fitness regime for me. Pay attention to when its warmest or old, as if you want to do a cold, uh, you know, uh, cold dip, you know, like when you sit, sit in the cold, cold water, right?

Cold p the cold .

clarian, you know, you know, I know happen to know that if I really wanted to be as cold as that polls going to go ten I A of time to sit down. And good, I think there, and it's going to be, is trying to train myself. I ask my brother, he, my mother has has, has one of those little cold plunge things.

And I like, what temperature do you like? And he's like, forty degrees. forty?

yes. Yeah, that's really cold. I know. Yeah, do you have a sona that you can warm up before you judge in?

I, I do. Yeah, I, so there you go so but you .

get really hot. And when you jump in forty degrees in that cold, yeah for a minute, that's for ten seconds. You, andy, and not that's good. That by the way, that input is not expensive, less than three .

box thirty bugs.

You know it's the pull that really can set you back every week.

week, every week. Chemicals.

you know, we used to have a hot tub and I gave IT up. It's just too much work to maintain. It's just it's insane.

yes.

So and I always wanted a poor, but no, andy and echo, with a little bit of timely.

recommended us. Yes, got some sad news during the show. Terry gar has passed away. Fantastic actor's on television movies, my number from.

we should all watch Young Frankenstein just to celebrate that .

s life in times when those are always working and mister mom and oh god, I think we're two for funniest movies so it's a show, me said another. But one of the places where SHE really shining up was that he was one of David eleven's best guests because they really had, like, a brother sister rivalry. Like no, let's see how much we can annoy each other thing going on as which is why the kept bring around again and again and again.

So i'm going to recommend addition to seeing any of those really great movies. There's go to a don gillers uh Terry gar collection on left me down. Gillis Terry gar collection on letter man is available on youtube.

Is the letter man shows first long time, unofficial and then official archive? Is he little little kids every single episode in his possession? Because he was to record them all the time and he has index and archived all of them. So well, before this happened, he produce .

a .

great, no, no topic you could think about there. there. Is there somebody on redit on? One of those helped me find sub dictes.

So I know this is impossible, but my great aunt was on this episode in the audience, and i'm trying to find IT like, I know this is impossible for one episode. I said, here is, here is a person on youtube here. Here is his address. And of course, the he had IT. He and he was nice up to produce like a rip of IT and provide to them that same day.

So he says, like a five maker, I think a file maker database of all of the everything that's in the letter and show. And just to be fair here, the little man, people would call him your stuff. And now I believe he is at least partially employed by worlwide pants because they are that they have their own youtube channel. And I think that some to some degree he .

is involved in their helping V H. tape. I mean.

he started off and like from the very, very beginning for the technology was available like starting in the early eighties. And when there was stuff that he I imagine when there was stuff he couldn't get, he key got IT and he took mobile to convert all to DVD and took mobile to convert IT all to digital and again, produce that master index. This this is why, like on the letter man channel on youtube, every time there's like a news item, there's probably going to be a compilation of clips related to that news item posted that same day of the next day because as j son said, he has this master database of everything that happened on every single show ever. And so you want to watch.

not just let them out, by the way, lots of other shows.

Yes, though seems hired channel. He can post new things on his channel because those are filled on channel. Uh, but, uh, but he's got it's everything.

It's amazing. But including what is the DNA five part a series of Terry guards created hits on letter man is just spectacular. You watch the whole thing. And this is like, literally, I don't know about you. And my favorite is that they had to take .

a shower is, yes, they had to show in which the concede was it's too hard to do a show. So they sent the audience home and they did the entire show from letter man office and all the guests just like that in the sofa. And they had a chat, like in their Normal clothes.

And again, this, this goat, each other relationship, like, take a shower that you like, top of the shower like. And of course, they blocked everything off the tops. And the last shot of the episode is Terry guard, you assume behind the door, like really showing I hate you. And so that's part to actually the one that I linked in the show notes.

Yeah, so good. Just just great. something. Humor was the original star track. yeah. And one episode sign there was with Robert lancing. IT was actually a back to a pilot, jan ruberto gene rod berry, you know, success of star rick isn't enough for him. He always one of the next thing.

And so we kept on doing these, like, maybe this could be a show with Terry gar robbert lencs where they travel through time and sold crimes. And IT wasn't but there's one episode of star truck, the one with a cat, whether try to stop the NASA rocket launch anyway. She's a child of the sixties who has some nice things about like why people are uh for network T V.

In one thousand and sixty eight, you know, having her explain why the Young people were feeling rebellious was kind, it's kind, interesting, kind of issues. great. Yeah.

great. great. great.

He will be a seventy nine. Terry gar.

Ms, yeah. Very sad. But what he was wonderful really was, and I think sounds like you like some of other movies, but I have to say Young Frankenstein and everybody just watch that for sure.

If I knew that, I could be talked about Young Franklin. But everything he was in SHE was an epsom of new heart, of the bob new heart show. SHE was feed .

his mother on friends for, like four episode I love.

yes. Oh, that's right. yes. He was to these encounters in the Richard .

d drivers, his wife and close encounters too.

You can show this. It's clean, very clean.

What's yeah? yeah. Come on. Carry. Go on in the shower so here .

you can do that today.

Mean, David.

me.

so good. Yes, so good.

Thank you everybody for joining us for this edition of my break. James Jason.

sorry.

Jason, you got to do a pick before we go.

It's a hello en halloween thing pic um for my pakistan and comfortable we tried to do something that there's a halloween movie and I had my friend Steve lets so I had a movie for me that I had never seen and I don't know how I missed IT probably because I thought that was something else I don't love really gross, cynical horror movies.

Seems like you should watch one thousand nine hundred eighty five fright night directed by a guy named a tom holland, who is neither the spiderman actor who was not alive then or the history podcast, but a third horror movie director, tom holland, it's amazing. I highly recommended to anybody who was like, no, no, no, I don't want to watch. IT is not a slashing movie.

IT is a love letter to come. A classic hour and fans of classic hour. The elevator pitch is brilliant. IT is literally a kid who likes watching like the late night horr host on the local TV channel discovers that a vampire has moved in next door and nobody believes him.

So we has to go to the horror host played by odium c devil, who is very much like, I is like a sure kid vampire, because he doesn't believe IT either. But I assure you that is a vampire. He's plays by, play by Chris aranda.

Right before he was humper drink in the prince's pride. He has never looked more like a beautiful empire man. And IT is, here's my rating on the eighty scale.

IT is an eighty out of eighty four and eight movie in the eighteen e fine. And if you love eighties rrh ual stuff and horror movies, especially classic stuff, I just it's halloween week fright night. It's on max in the U S. H. One thousand nine hundred eighty five there was a remic, but check out the original IT is a fabulous.

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IT doesn't. In fact, this process by the js band and IT is called freight night. So.

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seeking because I love six, because I have a different my empire is giving a little bit across coats. Thank you so much, James. And the analog bh, we talked about IT earlier. Look forward to hearing you there and whatever secret projects you might be working on for future reference, shall we say great to have heavy Andrew and of course, alex linsey office hours of global and gray mattered to show what's .

going on on the office hours. Ah we had one of the folks from ops come on opus clip um and I kind of mind blowing like are a lot of things that I think the thing progresses. I usually just kind of throw things and do IT and see what IT comes out the other end and they walk through a lot of those details. And so anyway, it's really fascinating. I will .

check out and A Q A episode a today, which a lot more.

So we're a we'll be doing a lot more to for the rest of the year because we're moving the we're moving the show of four K D R five one. We been experiment and hinting with IT. And so there's a big uh, technological jump that we have to do over the next two months, and we didn't want to have a lot of external guests. So you'll see a lot of hues as we go forward because we're just because we're doing a toner work on the back end to, uh, get out everything up to what we think is the next level of quality for our first, first step is to get IT to that really high quality in the next step of you to put IT into the cloud. So we're doing kind of both of those at the at the same time.

And the office hours t shirt is now you can get IT.

It's it's the office hours t shirt is out um IT is a IT to fundraising us also to work. So to keep the lights on, we're selling some t shirts. Um so uh but I took us a long time look at four years. I like, great yeah we we um you took us again four years to get to a point ready to do a church um and but I don't know what we will do one another one we were going to sell these november twenty and and about twenty dollars that IT goes to a pain for the A W S. And zoom bills.

Do they add up to do? They should end up and they do. Thank you, alex, and thank you, andy, and thank you, Jason, and thanks to all of our club twp members and everybody who watched during the show today.

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