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#402 — The Geopolitics of Trump 2.0

2025/2/28
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Sam Harris: 我认为特朗普政府的许多行为,例如对乌克兰和泽连斯基的批评,以及对盟友的轻视,是不可接受的,并且对美国的国际地位造成了损害。这种做法不仅颠倒黑白,而且不道德。我们应该与我们的盟友并肩作战,对抗像俄罗斯和中国这样的敌人,而不是疏远他们。 此外,特朗普政府任命了许多缺乏资格和经验的人员,这使得美国政府容易受到间谍活动的威胁,并削弱了美国的国际形象。我们需要的是一个有能力、有经验的领导团队,而不是一群狂热分子和阴谋论者。 最后,我认为欧洲拥有比俄罗斯大得多的资源,并且如果他们团结起来,他们能够有效地对抗俄罗斯。我们不应该依赖于单边主义,而是应该与我们的盟友合作,共同应对全球挑战。 Niall Ferguson: 我认为特朗普政府的政策反映了美国在全球经济和地缘政治中的相对衰落,以及对美国力量极限的认识。特朗普政府的政策目标是缩小联邦政府,这与罗斯福新政的目标相反。 国际社会对特朗普的外交政策感到困惑,但中国对美国和欧洲之间的分歧感到有趣,他们的主要关注点是台湾和南海。特朗普成功地让欧洲意识到他们必须为自己的安全负责,不能再依赖美国。 从现实主义的角度看,特朗普的外交政策并不关心道德问题,而是关注国家利益和权力。美国的力量在于其经济实力、技术领导地位和军事实力,而不是联盟。 美国的债务问题正在削弱其作为大国的地位,尤其是在国防开支上的限制。特朗普政府的政策是基于对美国力量极限的认识,避免同时在多个地区发生冲突。 虽然我个人不会任命某些人担任特定职位,但我认为特朗普政府中也有一些非常聪明和有经验的人,他们的市场知识非常丰富。

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The discussion opens with comparisons between Trump's second term and historical presidencies, particularly Roosevelt's, highlighting the frenetic activity and executive orders. It then explores the global confusion surrounding Trump's foreign policy, especially regarding adversaries like Russia and China.
  • Trump's second term is compared to Roosevelt's presidency with reversed goals.
  • The international community is largely bewildered by Trump's foreign policy.
  • Confusion exists around Trump's statements about Ukraine and Zelensky.

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Sam Harris speaks with Niall Ferguson about the current geopolitical situation. They discuss how Trump is handling the war in Ukraine, Europe’s changing relationship to the U.S., security concerns around Trump’s appointees, the economic impacts of Trump’s policies, how China views political turmoil in the U.S., whether democracy can withstand Trump 2.0, Elon Musk and X, free speech in the United Kingdom, Trump’s plan for Gaza, and other topics. If the Making Sense podcast logo in your player is BLACK, you can SUBSCRIBE to gain access to all full-length episodes at samharris.org/subscribe).

 

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