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#403 — Sanity Check on Trump 2.0

2025/3/10
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Sam Harris: 我认为，如果克里姆林宫对特朗普和万斯在椭圆办公室的会面表示庆祝，那么他们一定没有为美国的利益服务。普京是一个独裁者，他对乌克兰的侵略战争以及对美国民主的破坏，共和党人似乎视而不见。特朗普的行为证实了民主的敌人关于美国理想的虚伪说法，他对乌克兰的举动损害了美国的道德地位，但许多共和党人并不关心。如果人们不公开反对特朗普，那么他的观点就会成为现实。 Jonah Goldberg: 特朗普第一任期的成功很大程度上是因为他当时能力不足，且受到约束。特朗普第二任期，他周围都是绝对忠诚的追随者，他们会执行特朗普的任何指令，而不是提出反对意见。许多支持特朗普的人低估了他的不当行为，并认为他是一个相对正常的总统，其政策他们喜欢。批评特朗普的人需要谨慎区分那些支持特朗普的人，有些人是好人，只是他们错了。需要区分专业特朗普辩护者和普通特朗普选民。特朗普的胜选并非压倒性胜利，他的支持率比人们想象的要窄。特朗普赦免1月6日暴乱者的行为不受欢迎。我不认为科蒂斯·亚文（Curtis Yarvin）的观点有说服力，但我认为重要人物认真对待亚文很令人担忧。我认为彼得·泰尔（Peter Thiel）等科技大佬认为寡头政治是未来，并试图从中获益。特朗普对关税的喜爱，是其政治腐败的主要驱动因素。特朗普的对外政策是黑帮老大式的，对盟友粗暴，对对手恭敬。将特朗普政府可能已经意识到美国无法同时打多场战争，需要对承诺进行优先排序，将重点放在与中国的潜在冲突上，这种观点作为对特朗普行为的辩护是站不住脚的，因为这并非特朗普的真实目标。现实主义忽略了国家荣誉和对盟友的承诺的重要性。背叛盟友和违背承诺会损害美国的国际地位和美元的储备货币地位。在MAGA的回音室里，沉默被视为认可和同意，打破沉默会被惩罚。越来越多的共和党人缺乏勇气，他们害怕失去初选或受到人身威胁。强迫人们对俄罗斯是否发动战争撒谎，是为了表明真相无济于事。如果周围的人只赞扬你的错误，那么你做错事时就没有人会阻止你。政府职位的面试中，会问一些测试忠诚度的政治问题。

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This chapter explores the impact of Trump's political maneuvers both within the U.S. and internationally, with a particular focus on his loyalist approach and the shifting dynamics within the Republican Party.
  • Trump's inner circle is now filled with loyalists, which raises concerns about unchecked power.
  • There is a significant number of Republicans who dismiss Trump's controversial actions, such as his attempt to overturn election results.
  • The appointment of loyalists to key positions, such as Kash Patel at the FBI, indicates a shift towards absolute loyalty over dissent.

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Sam Harris speaks with Jonah Goldberg about the damage Trump is doing domestically and abroad. They discuss Trump’s tariffs, Curtis Yarvin and the Tech Right, threats against Republicans who criticize Trump, why the arguments Republicans are using to defend Trump’s position on Ukraine are flawed, America’s deteriorating moral standing on the global stage, the recklessness of DOGE, why so many CEOs bent the knee to Trump, antisemitism on the Right, Trump’s plan for Gaza, worst case scenarios for Trump 2.0, and other topics. If the Making Sense podcast logo in your player is BLACK, you can SUBSCRIBE to gain access to all full-length episodes at samharris.org/subscribe).

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