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#41 — Faith in Reason

2016/8/1
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Making Sense with Sam Harris

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Sam Harris: 在讨论宗教和政治等争议性话题时,对话常常因为一方试图回避理性观点而破裂。许多人为了维护多文化主义,不惜牺牲逻辑和伦理。在这些讨论中,批评者常常歪曲我的观点,使得对话无法有效进行。我担忧的是恐怖主义的潜在风险,以及社会对恐怖主义事件的过度反应可能造成的严重后果。我关注的是全球圣战主义的长期风险,以及它对文明的潜在威胁。我试图通过简洁明了的表达来避免冗长的解释,并通过多层次的论述来满足不同受众的需求。我承认自己对宗教文本的字面解读过于关注,而忽略了其更灵活的解读方式。我更同情那些受神权政治迫害的人们,特别是那些穆斯林。我承认自己对宗教文本的字面解读过于关注,而忽略了其更灵活的解读方式。我更同情那些受神权政治迫害的人们,特别是那些穆斯林。 Eric Weinstein: 许多看似重要的冲突,其实只是细微的差别被夸大,电子媒介加剧了这种现象。我们未能创造新的语言和思维方式,导致旧的理论持续作祟。在思想市场中,我们需要更 nuanced 的观点,而非简单的“赞成”或“反对”。贸易、移民和恐怖主义等议题的讨论,由于缺乏合适的模型和语言,导致陷入僵局。一些大型组织通过控制叙事,掩盖了复杂问题的真相。我提出了一个四象限模型,解释不同群体在精英寻租政策下的立场和道德属性。媒体叙事将支持精英政策与道德美德绝对关联,导致 nuanced 的观点被误解。一些媒体为了维护“所有宗教平等”的论调,会压制对不同宗教优劣的客观评价。不同宗教在暴力和恐怖主义方面的参与程度存在差异,但一些人为了维护“宗教平等”而忽略这些差异。Sam Harris 的观点体系过于复杂,难以被大众理解和接受。在辩论中,应该首先完整且准确地理解对方的观点,然后再进行反驳。Sam Harris 应该更多地展现对伊斯兰文化的正面情感和理解。Sam Harris 的分析过于理性,缺乏情感和同理心。Sam Harris 更倾向于关注宗教文本的字面含义,而忽略了其更灵活的解读方式。在宗教中,需要在文本的字面含义和精神实质之间做出选择。伊斯兰教的文本结构阻碍了其对现代价值观的接纳。宗教并非一成不变,应该随着时代发展而不断更新。每个人对宗教的实践都存在不足,这为宗教的现代化改革提供了空间。需要推动宗教的现代化改革,而非要求所有人成为无神论者。犹太教的特殊性使其难以作为其他宗教改革的参照。将现代价值观与宗教文本相调和,存在困难。我们可以创造一个比现有宗教更好的宗教,其教义和行为准则都更积极向上。

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Why did Eric Weinstein reach out to Sam Harris for a conversation?

Eric Weinstein was dismayed by the anti-intellectual behavior of people he expected to be rational, particularly in their interactions with Sam Harris. He wanted to help Harris navigate these difficult conversations.

What does Eric Weinstein suggest about the current political landscape?

Weinstein believes that people are trying to express themselves through political figures who don't represent them, leading to a disconnect. He suggests that the current political theories are outdated and need new languages and ways of thinking to address modern issues.

What does Eric Weinstein mean by 'rent-seeking elite'?

Rent-seeking elite refers to individuals or groups who profit without producing anything of value. They manipulate policies for their benefit, often at the expense of the public good.

How does Eric Weinstein describe the media narrative?

Weinstein describes the media narrative as a straight line running from southwest to northeast, correlating elite policy agreement with moral virtue. This narrative often maps nuanced positions to more extreme, morally failing ones.

What does Sam Harris worry about regarding global jihadism?

Harris worries about the potential for much larger forms of terrorism, including nuclear and biological attacks, and the societal overreactions that could derange human history for generations.

What does Eric Weinstein suggest about the relationship between religion and reason?

Weinstein suggests that people can hold multiple, sometimes contradictory beliefs and that literal interpretations of religious texts are often impossible to fully adhere to. He advocates for a more flexible, spirit-based approach to religion that allows for modern interpretations.

Why does Sam Harris focus on literalism in religious texts?

Harris focuses on literalism because he believes it gives fundamentalists an advantage in debates. Literalists can point to specific texts to justify their views, while more nuanced interpretations can be seen as cherry-picking or compromising on the word of God.

What does Eric Weinstein suggest about the future of religious traditions?

Weinstein suggests that religious traditions need to evolve and allow for multiple interpretations to survive in the modern era. He believes that literal adherence to ancient texts is regressive and that a more flexible, spirit-based approach is necessary.

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Sam Harris and Eric Weinstein discuss the challenges of having rational conversations about faith and reason, and how Eric's intervention aims to help Sam navigate these discussions more effectively.
  • Eric Weinstein reaches out to Sam Harris to help him engage more clearly with controversial issues.
  • The conversation explores the limits of discourse and the predictability of successful conversations.
  • Eric's background in mathematics, physics, and economics informs his approach to complex topics.

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Sam Harris speaks with Eric Weinstein about the relationship between faith and reason and about some of the factors that make conversations on important topics so difficult.

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