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Seeking Truth From Facts: Alf & Steve Hsu — #68

2024/9/12
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Alf: 本期讨论主要集中在地缘政治,包括中美关系、俄罗斯、以及与地缘政治相关的诸多问题。 Steve Hsu: 美国对华政策从自由贸易转向地缘战略保护主义,这与以往的共识相悖。美国此举是出于自身利益,旨在限制中国的崛起。同时,美国也辩称中国不公平竞争,并拥有日益强大的军事技术。 然而,美国无法阻止中国的崛起,最好的结果是现实地看待中国日益增长的地缘政治影响力,同时美国仍能保持繁荣。美国对中国崛起的过度反应源于零和谬误和对中国的无知。西方主流媒体对中国的报道存在偏差,容易被操纵。 中国当前经济形势的特征:经历了巨大的房地产泡沫破裂,正在进行结构性转变。中国房地产泡沫的成因:快速发展导致投资渠道有限,资金大量涌入房地产市场。中国政府为了避免经济增长过度依赖房地产,采取措施抑制房地产泡沫。中国经济面临的挑战:房地产泡沫破裂导致的经济增长放缓,以及向高质量增长的转变。中国已经基本弥补了与世界其他国家在技术上的差距,并在多个领域处于领先地位。中国处理房地产泡沫的方式比美国和日本更积极主动。经济学家们就中央银行是否应该控制泡沫存在争议。中国政府能够快速推动产业结构转型,这与市场机制相比具有优势。 中国经济仍然以市场机制为主导,政府的干预主要体现在政策引导和方向性支持。用名义GDP比较中美经济规模存在局限性,因为两国经济结构存在差异,汇率波动也会影响结果。名义GDP容易受到汇率变化的影响,因此不能准确反映中美经济规模的真实差距。中美两国GDP统计方法存在差异,这使得直接比较两国经济规模存在困难。从实际产出等指标来看,中国经济规模可能大于美国经济规模。 Steve Hsu: 中国“中国制造2025”政策在推动中国经济发展中发挥了重要作用。中国政府的运作模式:中央政府制定政策方向,地方政府根据自身情况具体实施。地方政府在实施中央政府政策时拥有很大的自主权,这促进了地方经济的竞争和发展。中国政治体制并非西方人想象中的那种僵化的专制统治,而是地方官员之间存在竞争,并根据业绩进行晋升。中国传统文化中的精英统治思想,为其政治体制提供了文化基础。中国政治体制既有等级竞争的方面,也有专制统治的方面。许多亚洲国家在经济发展初期都经历过一段时间的专制统治,之后才过渡到民主制度。发展中国家可能需要经历一段时间的专制统治才能实现快速发展,之后再过渡到更自由的制度。人们对中国未来政治体制的预期发生了变化,这与习近平上任后政策调整有关。习近平上任后加强了对经济和社会的控制,这与之前相对宽松的政策形成对比。对中国未来政治体制的预测:可能是类似新加坡的混合模式,也可能是类似韩国的完全自由民主制度。许多中国民众认为中国的政治体制具有代表性,因为他们的意见能够得到反映。中国未来政治体制可能更接近新加坡模式,融合儒家文化中的精英统治和民主元素。中国共产党的统治地位短期内不会改变,但长期来看,中国政治体制可能会发生重大变化。中国经济的成功并非完全依赖市场力量,政府政策也发挥了重要作用。中国政府在教育、基础设施建设和科技发展方面发挥了重要作用,这些都促进了中国经济的长期发展。中国政府通过有针对性的补贴引导市场发展,促进了长期发展目标的实现。中国经济的成功既离不开市场化改革,也离不开政府的积极干预。减少国有企业规模可能对中国经济发展有利。中国政府对科技领域的投资主要通过绩效导向的补贴来实现。

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Key Insights

Why did the US shift from free trade to geostrategic protectionism in response to China's rise?

The US shifted from free trade to geostrategic protectionism as China emerged as a significant competitor. When the US was the dominant global hegemon post-World War II, it championed free trade to establish a system it could dominate. However, as China's economic and military capabilities grew, the US adopted protectionist measures to limit China's rise. This included freezing the WTO's actions on trade matters and implementing sanctions, such as those on semiconductors, to contain China's technological and economic advancement.

What is the current state of China's economy, and how is it handling its property bubble?

China is undergoing a structural shift in its economy after deliberately popping a massive property bubble, one of the largest in history. The government has de-emphasized infrastructure investment in favor of high-quality growth, focusing on R&D, advanced manufacturing, and AI. While this transition has led to short-term economic challenges, such as unemployment and reduced growth, China has closed technological gaps with the West and remains a global leader in industries like electric vehicles, shipbuilding, and advanced manufacturing.

How does China's political system differ from Western democracies, and what role does meritocracy play?

China's political system is often described as a meritocracy rather than a pure autocracy. It combines elements of Confucian cultural values, which emphasize merit and ethical leadership, with a centralized, autocratic structure. Local officials are incentivized to follow central government directives while having significant autonomy in implementation. This system allows for rapid decision-making and execution of long-term projects, such as infrastructure development and technological innovation, but also carries risks if leadership decisions are flawed.

What role did government policy play in China's economic success?

Government policy played a crucial role in China's economic success by investing in education, infrastructure, and technology. While market liberalization and foreign capital were important, the government's long-term focus on R&D, high-speed rail, and core technology development provided the foundation for sustained growth. Conditional subsidies and performance-based incentives also steered the economy toward high-value industries, ensuring China's competitiveness in advanced manufacturing and innovation.

How is China's relationship with Russia evolving in the current geopolitical landscape?

China and Russia are forming a tight alliance, driven by shared opposition to Western sanctions and geopolitical pressures. While some analysts predict conflicts over Central Asia or Siberia, these issues are unlikely to disrupt the alliance in the short term. Russia's integration into the Sinosphere is deepening, with China supplying advanced manufactured goods and technology. The alliance is strengthened by mutual economic and strategic interests, particularly in countering Western influence.

Chapters
This chapter explores the reasons behind the US's shift from free trade to protectionism, considering both cynical interpretations (power politics) and apologetic views (unfair competition from China). The discussion highlights the complexity of the issue and the role of various factors.
  • US shift from free trade to protectionism
  • Cynical view: great powers act in self-interest
  • Apologetic view: China's unfair practices
  • Role of misinformation in shaping public opinion

Shownotes Transcript

This is a crossover episode in which Alf of the Seeking Truth from Facts podcast interviews Steve Hsu about the Chinese economy and political system, and US-China competition.

Seeking Truth From Facts podcast: https://substack.com/@seekingtruthfromfacts/p-148705853)

Steve and Alf discuss:

  • (00:00) - Introduction to the Podcast Collaboration

  • (00:48) - Steve Hsu's Background and Expertise

  • (02:22) - US-China Geopolitical Dynamics

  • (28:44) - China's Political System: Meritocracy vs. Autocracy

  • (32:23) - China's Path to Liberalization: Past, Present, and Future

  • (45:57) - Geopolitical Dynamics: China, Russia, and the West

Music used with permission from Blade Runner Blues Livestream improvisation by State Azure. –

Steve Hsu is Professor of Theoretical Physics and of Computational Mathematics, Science, and Engineering at Michigan State University. Previously, he was Senior Vice President for Research and Innovation at MSU and Director of the Institute of Theoretical Science at the University of Oregon. Hsu is a startup founder (SuperFocus.ai, SafeWeb, Genomic Prediction, Othram) and advisor to venture capital and other investment firms. He was educated at Caltech and Berkeley, was a Harvard Junior Fellow, and has held faculty positions at Yale, the University of Oregon, and MSU. Please send any questions or suggestions to [email protected] or Steve on X @hsu_steve.