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What to look for in the big jobs report heading this way

2025/5/2
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Diane Swank: 我认为四月份新增就业岗位数量大约会在13万左右。但整体趋势是就业市场将会走弱,因为公司开始因关税导致的利润压力而削减开支。我们今天会看到两个报告,一个是就业人数统计,另一个是入户调查人们是否就业。调查期间正值关税政策大幅调整,这给数据带来了很多不确定性。 在调查周,我们看到了很多反复无常的情况。4月2日公布了最初的关税,一周后又暂停了。所以,在调查周的头条新闻中有很多动荡。重要的是,在那一周领取薪水的人会被计算为获得新工作或净增,但即使你在那之后被解雇,你也要等到五月才会被计算。 Nicola Perry: 因为关税,我的进口商品价格上涨,我不得不提高顾客的价格。我已经收到了很多供应商的邮件,说因为关税,价格要上涨了……这意味着我不得不提高顾客的价格。我会告诉顾客原因:关税让我们增加了X金额的成本,所以我们把它分摊到每个人身上。否则,我们这家店就开不下去了。 Mitchell Spitzik: 关税让我不得不考虑各种生存方案,包括囤积库存以降低价格,并申请房屋净值信贷以确保节日商品供应。我们正在认真考虑所有我们需要做的生存方案。也就是说,努力囤积已经运抵美国的额外库存,以保持价格低廉,并确保他不会最终面临货架空空如也的局面。他已经申请了房屋净值信贷。如果他得到它……我可以开始为假期囤货,但如果我没有得到贷款,我可能就不会有节日商品了。如果他没有足够的货,他不确定商店能否生存下去。 Jed Kolko: 政府拟议的规则可能会让劳工统计局的经济学家更容易被解雇,这可能会导致他们面临压力,从而改变数据呈现方式,以迎合政府。他担心,拟议的规则可能会将劳工统计局的经济学家纳入一个新的工作类别,即可以随时解雇的工人,而无需经过通常的上诉程序。科尔科担心,对于担心失去工作的劳工统计局经济学家来说,发布坏消息可能会更加困难。而且……这可能会导致他们面临压力,从而改变方法或改变数据的呈现方式,以使数据看起来对政府更有利。 Erica Groschen: 如果统计数据对政府不利,劳工统计局可能会声称数据计算过程中存在一些故障,并推迟发布数据,最终可能导致人们对劳工统计局数据的质量失去信心。格罗申说,最终,人们可能会对劳工统计局数据的质量失去信心。 Judge Glock: 即使劳工统计局的经济学家更容易被解雇,他们也很可能不会操纵数据,因为这会损害他们的职业声誉。如果他们中有人明显操纵数据,即使他们在内部受到奖励,他们余生也很可能难以找到一个好职位。而且,即使劳工统计局一个新的工作类别中的经济学家被解雇,他们也会被职业公务员取代,而不是政治任命者。

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What to look for in the big jobs report heading this way.

I'm David Brancaccio in Los Angeles. We'll get the big hiring and unemployment reports for April in about an hour and a half. Among the forecasters for this, friend of this program, Diane Swank, chief economist at the audit tax and advisory firm KPMG. Hey, Diane. Good morning. GDP had a lot of noise in it, gross domestic product earlier this week. I'm interested in who's getting jobs and at what rate. What do you think we'll see today?

Well, I think we're going to see something around $130,000. The underlying pattern, though, is that we're looking for things to weaken. And we're starting to see that in some of the news headlines as well as companies start to tighten their belt as they deal with the blow of the margin pressure from tariffs. We get two reports later today. One is they count up payrolls. But the other one is they go essentially house to house asking if people are employed or not.

That's not the entire month. There's a period in which they actually do the survey. How did that line up with the dramatic announcement that some of the tariffs would not happen as announced? Well,

Well, the week of the survey is the week of April 12th, and so we saw a lot of whiplash. We saw the initial tariffs announced on April 2nd and then a pause about a week later during this survey week. So there was a lot of turbulence in the headlines during this week of the survey. What's important is whoever was getting a paycheck

in that week will count as getting a new job or a net, but that even if you were laid off after that, you wouldn't count until May. Diane Swank, Chief Economist at KPMG, thank you for this. Thank you.

The U.S. Chamber of Commerce has sent an open letter to President Trump arguing tariffs pose a, quote, significant risk to jobs and may soon do, quote, irreparable harm to many small businesses. The chamber, which lobbies for firms large and small, is urging the White House to lift tariffs on items it says can't be made in the U.S. and to automatically exempt small companies, marketplaces. Samantha Fields has more.

Nicola Perry has been running her British restaurant and shop Tea & Sympathy in New York City for more than 30 years. She imports almost everything. Baked beans, clotted cream, teas, teapots. We've already had lots of emails from purveyors saying the prices are going to go up because of the tariffs.

which means she'll have to raise prices for her customers. She plans on telling them why. Sorry, guys, but the terrace is costing us X amount, so we're sharing it out amongst everybody. Otherwise, we won't be here. In Brooklyn, Mitchell Spitzik is worried his shop, Little Things Toy Store, might not be there much longer. Almost everything he sells comes from China. Really?

We are seriously considering all options in terms of what we need to do to survive. Namely, trying to stock up on extra inventory that's already arrived in the U.S. to keep prices down and make sure he doesn't end up with empty shelves. He's applied for a home equity line of credit. If he gets it... I can start stocking up for the holidays, but if I don't get that loan, I won't have holiday merchandise, possibly. If he doesn't have enough, he's not sure the shop can survive.

I'm Samantha Fields for Marketplace. Ireland today hit TikTok with a $600 million fine for violating EU privacy laws. Regulators say the platform illegally sent user data to China, where TikTok is based. Under U.S. law, TikTok is supposed to break away from Chinese control or get cut off. It's still operating under a temporary reprieve from the Trump administration.

The U.S. administration wants to make it easier to fire federal workers. Among the 50,000 layoffs that could follow, some who work at the Bureau of Labor Statistics, an office that calculates economic data that business, investors, and the government rely upon, such as today's jobs report. Marketplace's Nancy Marshall-Genzer has that.

The Bureau of Labor Statistics releases the monthly jobs report, the Consumer Price Index, the Producer Price Index, Economist Bread and Butter. These statistics help us understand which metro areas across the country are growing faster or are losing jobs.

Economist Jed Kolko was an undersecretary at the Commerce Department in the Biden administration. He's worried that the proposed rule could sweep economists at the Bureau of Labor Statistics, or BLS, into a new job category, workers who can be fired at will without the usual appeals process. Kolko is worried that it could be harder for BLS economists worried about losing their jobs to deliver bad news. And that...

might cause them to face pressure to change a methodology or change the way numbers are presented in order to look more favorable to the administration. Erica Groschen, a former BLS commissioner now at Cornell, says, for example, if the statistics look bad for the Trump administration, BLS could discover some glitch in the way the numbers were calculated and say we have to withhold it until we're sure that the numbers are right. Groschen

Groschen says ultimately, people could lose faith in the quality of BLS data. I reached out to the BLS for comment on all of this, but didn't hear back by deadline. I did talk to Judge Glock at the Manhattan Institute, a right-leaning think tank. He says these are valid concerns, but he thinks BLS economists would resist pressure to manipulate data, even if they could be fired more easily, because their professional reputations would be at risk.

If one of them manipulates data clearly, that person, even if they were rewarded internally, will likely have a tough time for the rest of their life finding a good position.

And Glock says even if a BLS economist in the new job category were fired, they would be replaced by a career civil servant, not a political appointee. The rule establishing the new fire-at-will job category isn't final yet. It's still in the middle of a comment period. Plus, federal worker unions and their supporters have filed lawsuits challenging the proposed rule.

I'm Nancy Marshall-Genzer for Marketplace. And the Justice Department is accusing some big health insurance companies of corrupting the semi-privatized part of Medicare, the government-funded health program for older and disabled people.

In a complaint, the government prosecutors allege the companies paid hundreds of millions of dollars in kickbacks to brokers to push patients into their Medicare Advantage plans. Among the accused, CVS Aetna, Humana, and Elebence Health, companies plan what they say is a vigorous defense. In Los Angeles, I'm David Brancaccio, and this is the Marketplace Morning Report from APM American Public Media.

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