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Can Pop Culture Be Political … and Good?

2025/6/5
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Ross Douthat: 我认为《安多》在星战系列中实现了原创性,并具有明确的政治左翼视角,同时避免了乏味的宣传。我喜欢这部剧,尽管它的政治立场与我不同。我认为《安多》之所以有效,是因为它让人们看到了激进分子可能出错的原因,即使你支持他们。剧中表达的意识形态是关于社区的瓦解,帝国正在吞噬人民并摧毁各地的社区。总是尝试通过角色的眼睛看世界,即使他们代表着破坏社区的观点,这是创作成功的政治艺术的关键。大多数试图捕捉美国政治的艺术作品都缺乏对不同立场的人的同情。 Tony Gilroy: 我从未将《安多》视为左翼剧集,也从未想过要这样创作。我不认为你必须是左翼才能反抗独裁主义。我通过自学获得了知识,阅读了大量的书籍,并对各种事物进行了深入的研究。我通过对话来构建情节,深入挖掘角色,并不认为自己在推动或宣传任何东西。我必须与剧中的每个人物同在,感同身受,才能做好这部剧。我对剧中的帝国角色,如帕塔加斯、德贾米罗和西里尔,投入了同样多的关注。我只能通过完全投入到我所写作和照顾的每个人物中来工作。剧中表达的意识形态是关于社区的瓦解,帝国正在吞噬人民并摧毁各地的社区。剧中没有人明确阐述他们想要建立什么样的星系,除了希望被放过,停止杀戮和摧毁社区。

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This chapter explores the political aspects of the Star Wars series Andor, examining its unique approach to storytelling within a familiar franchise. It delves into the show's depiction of authoritarianism, fascism, and rebellion, and how these themes contribute to its originality and success.
  • Andor successfully blends originality with a familiar franchise.
  • The show offers an explicitly political, left-wing perspective without resorting to propaganda.
  • It explores the rise of the Rebel Alliance and the complexities of revolution.
  • It examines the multifaceted nature of fascism and its impact on both the oppressed and its proponents.

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Does Hollywood have anything interesting left to say? In a world where franchises dominate and grown-up movies have fallen by the wayside, Ross talks to the showrunner Tony Gilroy, whose “Star Wars” spinoff “Andor” has, according to Ross, succeeded in being both original and smartly political in a Hollywood that is often neither.

  • 03:04 - The political world of ”Andor”
  • 08:36 - Tony Gilroy's syllabus for “Andor”
  • 10:40 - Is “Andor” a left-wing show?
  • 17:07 - What makes Hollywood progressive or liberal?
  • 24:22 - Debating the politics of “Michael Clayton”
  • 29:42 - Why aren't there more movies for grown-ups?
  • 32:56 - “There are no movie stars anymore.”
  • 35:55 - How A.I. changing the movie business
  • 39:28 - Tony Gilroy's advice for future filmmakers

*(A full transcript of this episode is available on the Times website.) *

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