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What Makes Art ‘Left Wing’?

2025/6/5
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Ross Douthat: 我认为《安多》是一部左翼作品，因为它讲述了一个反对法西斯政权的故事，支持激进分子和革命者。尽管如此，它并没有简单地将过去持有不同观点的人妖魔化，而是展现了激进分子可能面临的困境，以及革命可能出现的偏差。这种对不同立场的同理心是其艺术性的关键所在。我认为艺术作品应该能够捕捉现实的复杂性，而不是简单地宣扬某种意识形态。 Tony Gilroy: 我从未将《安多》视为一部左翼作品。我的创作并非出于政治目的，而是为了探索人性和社群的意义。我对剧中的每个角色都感同身受，试图理解他们的动机和处境。我认为帝国正在摧毁各地的社群，而社群的概念是我在整个节目中想要表达的核心。我更倾向于将自己视为一个道德家，我的作品表达了我对道德准则的坚持。我并不认为用杀虫剂毒害他人并对此撒谎有什么左或右的，这只是一个道德问题。

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Does Hollywood have anything interesting left to say? In a world where franchises dominate and grown-up movies have fallen by the wayside, Ross talks to the showrunner Tony Gilroy, whose “Star Wars” spinoff “Andor” has, according to Ross, succeeded in being both original and smartly political in a Hollywood that is often neither.

  • 03:04 - The political world of ”Andor”
  • 08:36 - Tony Gilroy's syllabus for “Andor”
  • 10:40 - Is “Andor” a left-wing show?
  • 17:07 - What makes Hollywood progressive or liberal?
  • 24:22 - Debating the politics of “Michael Clayton”
  • 29:42 - Why aren't there more movies for grown-ups?
  • 32:56 - “There are no movie stars anymore.”
  • 35:55 - How A.I. changing the movie business
  • 39:28 - Tony Gilroy's advice for future filmmakers

*(A full transcript of this episode is available on the Times website.) *

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