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Trump is trying to destroy universities - Ashish Jha, Dean of Public Health at Brown University

2025/4/11
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Ashish Jha: 我对特朗普政府的政策深感担忧。它对科学、公共卫生和大学体系发起了全面的攻击。共和党人由于害怕初选挑战而不敢公开反对，这导致了疫情的加剧。RFK Jr. 的反疫苗运动以及对证据的漠视，进一步加剧了这一问题。我们需要恢复公众对科学的信任，并解决大学内部的反犹太主义、缺乏思想多样性和与中产阶级脱节等问题，才能有效地反击。 特朗普政府的政策无意中帮助了中国，削弱了美国的国际地位。政府内部存在不同派系，但目前“让美国再次伟大”（MAGA）的极端势力占据主导地位。尽管如此，我仍然对未来持谨慎乐观的态度，因为随着特朗普政府的政策导致民怨沸腾，共和党内部将出现更多反对的声音。 我们需要采取双管齐下的策略：解决大学内部存在的问题，同时向公众宣传科学和大学的价值。只有这样，才能获得公众的支持，从而对特朗普政府施加制约。 在疫情应对方面，我承认自己也犯过错误，例如对疫苗强制接种的支持。但重要的是要根据最新的证据调整策略，保持诚实和透明。我们需要认识到，反疫苗运动并非完全由反科学人士推动，一些医生和科学家也参与其中，这令人担忧。 Kamran Abbasi: 作为一名记者，我见证了特朗普政府对美国大学和公共卫生体系的冲击。Ashish Jha 的分析深刻地揭示了这一问题的复杂性，以及我们需要采取的应对策略。我们需要关注的是，如何才能在当前的政治环境下，维护科学的尊严，保护学术自由，并确保公共卫生体系的健康发展。

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Kamran Abbasi interviews Professor Ashish Jha, Dean of Public Health at Brown University and former COVID-19 pandemic advisor to President Biden.

Trump’s second term has touched everything in the US political sphere - and health is no exception. With research funding for medicine and science weathering under Trump’s storm of cuts, how can Americans who care about public health and data navigate a course through the swells?

Professor Jha discusses how to resist an anti-vaccine resurgence, and comments on revisionist narratives that drive ill-conceived public health policies.

 

  • 02:20 The MAHA movement and RFK Jnr.

  • 07:40 Does evidence still matter?

  • 13:35 Trump administration is helping China

  • 15:10 Policymaking in Trump’s shadow

  • 23:35 Where do universities go from here?

  • 28:48 Censorship, research funding and academic freedom

  • 33:35 Health inequalities within America

  • 36:20 A resurgent anti-vax message

  • 41:24 What Ashish’s got wrong about the pandemic response

  • 45:31 When is enough for research data?

  • 47:14 Future hope and how to pushback in smart ways

 

Reading list:

Professor Jha’s December 2024 editorial on the Trump admin’s plans for American healthcare coverage)