DEBATE: Was the Final Experiment a Hoax? | Craig / @FTFEOfficial Vs Matthew Hakim
03:50:50 Share

Between client meetings, managing your business, and everyday tasks, who has time to worry about website hosting? With Kinsta's managed WordPress hosting, you don't have to. They handle the technical stuff, delivering lightning-fast load times, enterprise-grade security, and 24/7/365 human-only support. Simply switching to Kinsta could make your site up to 200% faster. Kinsta's custom dashboard makes managing sites easy,

with powerful features designed to save you time and effort. Plus, their free expert-led migrations ensure a smooth transition. Ready to see why Kinsta is trusted by thousands of businesses? Get your first month free at kinsta.com. That's K-I-N-S-T-A dot com. Kinsta. Simply better hosting.

Hey, football fans. BetMGM is giving you the chance to win up to $250,000 in bonus bets. It's all part of BetMGM's Longest Touchdown Jackpot, where you'll be able to split the grand prize with anyone else who bet on the longest touchdown of the week. Log in to your BetMGM account today and opt in to the promo. Then, place an anytime touchdown wager of $10 or more on the player of your choice, up to one player per game.

If your player scores the longest touchdown of the week, you'll win a share of the $250K. BetMGM and GameSense remind you to play responsibly. See BetMGM.com for terms. 21 plus only. This U.S. promotional offer is not available in Mississippi, New York, Nevada, Ontario, or Puerto Rico. Gambling problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER. Available in the U.S. For New York, call 877-8-HOPE-NY or text HOPE-NY-467369. For Arizona, 1-800-NEXT-STEP. For Massachusetts, 1-800-327-5050.

For Iowa, 1-800-BETS-OFF. For Puerto Rico, 1-800-981-0023. Subject to eligibility requirements. Rewards are unrestricted bonus dollars that expire in seven days. In partnership with Kansas Crossing Casino and Hotel. Welcome everybody to Modern Day Debate. I'm going to be your host today.

Tonight we've got some juicy event stuff coming up for you. So just keep tuned for that We'll give you some updates as we go along in the debate But to get right to it was the final experiment a hoax and we have Matthew Hakem versus a Craig from fight the flat earth So without further ado, we're gonna hand the floor over to you Matthew for up to 10 minutes for your introductory statement Let's give thanks to the creator of heaven and earth for this opportunity. I want to thank the Messiah

Thank everybody here involved with Modern Day Debate. You, Ryan, of course, shout out to James. And Craig, of course, it's always a pleasure to debate with you. You're awesome. Okay. Oh, and a special shout out to President Donald J. Trump. Got him. Hopefully they stop trying to kill him. Hopefully he can start making some positive changes going on.

Anyways, to talk about this final experiment, where do I begin? Honestly, I would say looking at everything that happened, looking at all the videos that they produced and everything, considering all the, what I saw is green screen glitches a couple different times.

I'm sure you guys have seen that, okay? And the only time I really see that type of thing happen is when I'm watching the news and they're doing a weather report and the meteorologist is standing in front of the screen and you can see the exposing. And I know, Craig, I saw your video. You're trying to explain it away, right? And you had the guy on your shirt, right? You had a guy saying, look it, I'm doing the green screen malfunction that was on the final experiment.

Dude, that's called damage control. Okay, that's called damage control. And, you know, it was so funny. Like, I know a lot of flat earthers were talking about the final experiment and, you know, kind of concerned like you know what are they good, what are they going to do so forth right.

And I myself was open to it. I said, whatever they do, I'll take a look at, okay, whatever they produce, you know, and I promised it on this show that I would take a look at it. And man, when I saw that first glitch from that first day, man, that was like Christmas, like Christmas had come like 10 days early, right? And then every day, just every day, there was something new, right? I don't,

We could talk about different things that happen. I know, Craig, you could probably bring up some things too, right? Where to begin there? The thing with the no breath and Austin, I want us to talk about that, Craig, because I think you had an interesting critique about Austin, his credibility, and using that vape. Yeah.

There's a couple different things. Like how does a vape pen retain a charge over months, right? Because I don't – I use a vape pen, but I know they don't last a long time. And the second question about that vape pen, when they went on that alleged trip to Antarctica, I thought that they have to be really careful about anything they bring, like every ounce of weight, every –

And I know you guys understand what I'm talking about. They have some sort of weight limitation. I don't know if it's like 25 pounds or, but how in the heck do you just accidentally forget a perfectly charged vape and then go use it when you're trying to fake your breath? And I'm not making that up. Okay. I didn't come up with that. I didn't write that story. But that too, when I saw that, I'm like, what are they lying for?

And thinking about the green screen glitches, it's like, if they're really where they said they were, why are they using this technology? And that's an honest question. And I know, Craig, you may not like it, but it is an honest question. If they really were where they said they were, what is the reason they would have to be using that sort of technology? Okay, that's another thing.

A lot of things about the sun not being in the right place at the right time. Questionable. Okay. Questionable. Okay. I have reasonable doubt looking at all that. Oh, I didn't even get to it. Will Duffy made a funny video where he listed all of the things. He said, if you guys thought it was cool, he said, forget about vape gate, drone gate, breath gate, footprint gate,

What else did I miss? Dude, he's in damage control, okay? People have been making great videos. Just check it out. They're destroying this final experiment thing, right? And if you want to get... I got a message from Will Duffy. This was probably two months ago in November. It's on my Facebook page. If you guys want to go look at my Facebook page, he tells me...

It's going to be a Netflix science fiction movie, right? And they're going to be in a studio the whole time. I have this email, a screenshot of it on my Facebook. Now, do I think Will Duffy is a liar? Maybe to you guys, right? I mean, in the message he sent me from the official, the final experiment, right? The official final experiment emailed me back and told me that, that they're going to be in the studio the whole time.

So to me, I don't think Will Duffy is lying to me. I think he's lying to you guys. And if you want to look at my Facebook page, you know, you can see it. I have it right there, you know. So but to talk about the thing like, are they liars? For example, if I were to say meet Patrick Stewart, right, I would not call him a liar for pretending to be in outer space. I would call him a great actor.

I'm sure Craig could agree. Patrick Stewart is a great actor. But unfortunately, all these mistakes, right? Now, this final experiment was supposed to prove the globe and end the debate. But what happened? They proved that they had to fake it. It's like our generation's version of the fake moon landing.

that's what we have now but it's more sophisticated what we have now and like i said unfortunately they were not able to do what they said they were going to do make an unedited 24-hour video of this alleged 24-hour sun and they were not able to produce a live stream a 24-hour live stream of the event okay what that is

That means they were not successful. Now, not only were they not successful, but there is a long list of these mistakes that with each one, with each one of these mistakes that happened, creates enough reasonable doubt to disqualify the final experiment as an experiment or observation. With only one of these mistakes. So what do we do with all of these mistakes that have come up? Okay?

Like, whatever reason Austin was faking his breath with a vape, I don't care whatever reason or situation is the reason that he was doing that, okay? I don't care why he had to fake his breath. Just means he makes me think he was not where he said he was. My opinion, okay, you may not like it, I don't think they even stepped foot in Antarctica. I know there could be evidence, whatever, but...

I just don't believe they were where they said they were. And it's because reasonable doubt. Okay, thank you very much.

Alright, you got it. Thank you so much Matthew for your opening statement. Just going to get a few things updated on my end. So yeah, you will see over here on the right side of your screen we have our crowdfund. In our description below you'll find the link to the crowdfund. So if you want to help us out, all of that is going towards helping for the debate con that is coming up. And I'm just going to flick over here for a second and show you some of the line up there.

So you can see there's all kinds of exciting debates. The speakers that correspond to the other side, of course, are going to be the rival speakers. You know, we're going to go through it a little bit more later on, but I do want to let you see that and just get that in your head that this is coming up. It's fast approaching. You know, we are we're literally one month away.

From these debates so definitely if you have not hit the notification bell for the debates do that But even better if you can be there the crowd the crowdfund is linked But also of course the tickets for the event in Newark are also in our description So gobble those up while they're available everybody. Let's get back to our main screen. We're gonna kick it on over to Craig McNeil

Says he's going through a rebranding, but is coming out to debate the final experiment. So I don't believe you. All right, let's see here. I'm going to ask you to unmute. I'm just going to get Craig in here. I can't hear you yet, Craig. You're chuckling to yourself. We can't hear you yet.

You hear me now? There you go. I wasn't sure what you said in response to my little quip there. As I said, I'm still going to be debating flirts, but I'm going to be changing the channel name. All right, no worries. Well, yeah, just keep an eye out for that. If you do follow Craig, Fight the Flat Earth, he's going to be changing his channel name. So, yeah, hopefully that doesn't confuse anybody. We appreciate you both here coming out to Modern Day Debate to have the discussion. So, yeah, let's kick it over to you, Craig. You're off mute now. Ten minutes on the floor.

Wow, I assumed Matt Matthew would have maybe followed the final experiment stuff a bit more. I'm just going to quickly do something here. Oh, oh no, I must be on a green screen, right? Oh dear, I don't know what's going on. No, I'll tell you exactly what's gone on is I've turned on chroma key and selected a color. When Will Duffy streams, normally does his videos,

I'll just share my screen a second here. That's up and running. Let me just make sure my site can see it as well. Right. So when Will Duffy normally does his videos, he has a background behind him. Let's just get one of his old videos up to show you. So normally he's like this, right? And he's got this background behind him, which is him being on a green screen with the chroma key settings on.

This is how he is set up on his laptop. It's the same laptop that he took to Antarctica. And the very first stream that he did, he didn't turn off the chroma key settings. That's it. He didn't even realize that was the case until people pointed out that there was weird glitches. But in fact, what happened showed that it couldn't have been on a green screen.

Because if it was on a green screen, the bits that were being shown as green screen glitches wouldn't have had this logo that Will normally has behind him. It would have had the background, i.e. Antarctica. The people would have been see-through if it was a green screen and there was a glitch, rather than it showing the logo that Will normally has on his videos. Does this mean that this video is fake?

No, this is just how Will records with the chroma key on, with the screen behind them, which is actually a blue screen in this case. And he just selects the blue color and it removes that blue screen. And that was still on when he got to Antarctica. And it just so happened that Jonathan, when he came on camera, his pocket was the roughly the same color as the chroma key selection. So it looked weird. And the same thing when he went into the tent.

if it was a green screen, you would have seen through them and not the

that Will normally has behind him. It, in fact, proved it was not a green screen, which is perfect. You said a bunch about the shadows, but didn't really give any details. I'll tell you right now that there is zero issues with any of the shadows at all. That's all been debunked. If you could present some evidence that the shadows were wrong, I'd like to discuss it. But you just saying there was an issue with the shadows isn't really anything that I can even engage in.

You then said that they failed because they didn't get a 24-hour sun. Well, again, maybe you haven't had a look at the videos, but here, for instance, is a 360 interactive non-time lapse of the 24-hour sun. So there it is at the moment. This is looking about south. At this point, I think we've got Toon over there setting up one of his experiments. And as it goes on,

The sun goes round exactly as they expect. This is part one and then part two is on there as well. And during the whole thing, you can watch people come in and go in from this part of the camp. This orange... Let's see where it disappears. They come in on that orange buggy at the snowmobile at the back.

So I don't know how they would have faked getting into a studio with that on there. It might be on the other one. But they're coming in and out of all this. This is all people there. The shadows looking exactly as we expect. Where was the sun at this point? It would have been around here. Yeah. So this is the part one of the 24 hour. And there's lots of them. As for the live stream, they never promised the live stream at all. People saying that they promised the live stream are just lying. I'm done.

In fact, they didn't even know if they were going to have internet whilst they were there until just a couple of weeks before when Will managed to get a marine starting unit to take with him. Now, why wasn't there a 24-hour stream if they took the internet? When the Candice Owens producer arrived in Pusatourinas, he

he brought an amazing 360 camera with him, right? And it would have recorded the sun for 24 hours as a live stream that people could interact with. However, it turned out that it needed both an internet signal and a mobile phone signal. Unfortunately, there's no mobile phone masts in Antarctica, so that camera didn't work. They still want to do the 24-hour stream. So what happened was they asked if they could use Will Duffy's phone

to manually record the sun for 24 hours. And that was what they set up. And the stream went for a good 10 hours. And then Will Duffy's phone did an automatic update. And then that, they didn't realize, so they got it started again. And then the Starlink did an automatic update, which I know happens because I am talking to you via Starlink.

And then they couldn't restart the stream because in the UK, it was early hours of the morning and the person in charge of being able to turn on and off the stream wasn't available. So they decided, well, we failed doing that. We just went. But it was never something they said they would do. It was just an extra thing.

In fact, the only thing they said they were going to do when they were there was capture the 24-hour sun. And they did so much more. They measured magnetic declination. They calculated the circumference of the globe from shadows. They made a massive sundial using the predictions of the globe. They tested the angles and the predictions. They looked at sunspots and compared it with other places in the world. They did so many experiments there that

you know it wasn't just one thing they've come home with such a mountain of evidence that all the flirts can do is go nut up and look for stupid mistakes that aren't even there now let's address wits it here's the thing about wits it he's a idiot right yes he was in antarctica but he was also hiding the fact that he vapes from um his significant other

Which is a stupid thing, because you're gonna be in a place when there's 24-hour cameras, 360 degrees recording you all day, so don't know why you think you could hide a vape. Whitsitt also has a very, very fragile ego, and he couldn't cope that when he was doing the livestream, people were calling out and saying that he couldn't see his breath.

So Witsit went in the hut, had a couple of puffs on his vape, which moistened his lungs, came back in front of the camera and went, "Oh, look, you can see my breath." Because his ego is so fragile, he couldn't cope with being told that he was a liar. So to prove he wasn't lying, he lied. Because Witsit is dumb. That's as simple as that. It doesn't mean that anything there was fake. It just means that Witsit is so stupid that he would get a free trip to Antarctica

and do something like that to bring it into question. Will Duffy wasted $40,000. Austin Witsit was the most expensive luggage to ever go to Antarctica. Will Duffy would have been better investing $40,000 in the Hawk Tour Queen, right? Anything Witsit says, I don't ever listen to because he is a confirmed liar. So the fact that he went there and lied wasn't a surprise to me.

As for were they there? Yeah, they were definitely there. The flight there was the number one trapped flight in the entire world. Thousands of people trapped that flight going there. They've got footage from both sides of the plane showing the entire trek. They've got camera footage, Jaron's GoPro camera, of them getting off the plane in Antarctica, going to Union Glacier,

then going to the halfway point, it's all been recorded. There's videos of all of it. There's no things that are wrong apart from flat surfers not understanding how things work. Oh, that shadow looks wrong. Well, yeah, that's because you're dumb, not because the shadow's wrong. Every single problem has been debunked. So, Matthew, you just coming and going, well, there was problems, doesn't mean there was problems.

You didn't even know the green screen thing wasn't an issue. I'm not on a green screen, but I can still make a green screen glitch happen. There's not even a green screen, it's called Chroma Key. So, yeah, there is no way it was faked. There was live streams, there was tracking. You could follow their progress with the GPS tags they all had whilst they were there moving around in Antarctica. Did Witsit do something stupid? Absolutely. Why is that? Because Witsit's stupid.

And yeah, thank you very much. That's my intro. Don't forget to buy tickets to New Jersey for the 15th and 16th where you can come and see me debate Andrew Wilson.

Hi, I don't even have to do the housekeeping when you do stuff like that. Appreciate it. The call out for the upcoming event, which is going to be amazing. James has already linked in our live chat there and pinned the event, the event create debate con link. So if you have the means to get out to the Newark area or if you're already close to the area is very close to New York City and all that good gravy.

Yeah, definitely. We'd love to see you out there. And yeah, just really great to see people supporting the channel, like putting into the crowdfund. I'll get that updated as things update over there. But yeah, thank you so much to everybody who supports the channel. We're going to kick it into open discussion and I'll do some more housekeeping before the end. But I do want to remind the audience,

We're going to take questions at the end of the discussion. So if you have questions for either of our speakers, you get it in now and it'll be read nice and early. But one way or another, those questions will be read with priority. So super chats, guys. And yeah, we really appreciate all the support. So let's do the open discussion, guys. And I'll set 45 minutes on the clock and I'll check in with you. All right, go ahead there, Matthew. I can tell you're ready to go.

Okay, oh, this is so awesome. Craig, thank you so much. God bless you, Craig, for the way you are. You are awesome the way you are, and I really appreciate some of the evidence you put forth in your opening statement, and I would certainly like to cross-examine this information. Let's talk about the statement you made, Austin lied, and let's talk about the implications that has for the credibility of the final experiment.

I don't think it has any implications for the credibility of the final experiment, only implications for the credibility of Austin Wixit, which, let's face it, wasn't that great to begin with. And he is a crucial member, being one of the most prominent members that were sent, allegedly. Like I said, I don't think they actually went, but he's... Wait a minute. Austin's supposed to be one of the most prominent members of the Flat Earth side going, right?

Well, did you know that he wasn't even actually invited? He only went because Geronism said he didn't want to go on his own. So he wanted Witsit to go. Witsit wasn't even part of it, to be honest. He was an afterthought. If it wasn't for Geronism saying, I don't want to go on my own with some Globers, then Will would have never paid for him as well. The agreement was never for Will to pay for multiple flat refers to go. It was just for one.

But Jaron wanted Witsit to go with him, so that's what happened. Okay, so Austin is part of the final experiment then. He is, like I said, one of the most prominent flat earthers. I'm sorry. Sorry, he is part of the final experiment, but...

you know, as an afterthought, you know, and the fact that he didn't do anything whilst he was there kind of made him very little of the final experiment. But all he did whilst he was there was kind of sleep and kind of talk on Discord every now and then. Like I said, he was the most expensive luggage ever in history.

Okay. I understand you could feel that way, but personally, that's one of those things that contaminates the final experiment. It's just one thing. And I think it's a huge mistake for any Globers to question the credibility of either Jaron or Austin before or after the final experiment, because it doesn't serve you to say he's Austin's a liar. What did you say? Austin lied?

There's a little tell that Austin has that can alert you to when he's lying. In general, it's when his lips start moving. I don't know.

You know, it's not hard to figure out that anything coming out of Austin is going to be pointless to listen to anyway. He is an intellectual midget that doesn't understand any of the arguments he ever brings. And for some reason, he decided to lie about lying when he was in Antarctica, a place that less than 0.00001% of humans have ever been. He, like...

You're right. What he did brought it into disrepute. It made the ability for people to question. That's how stupid it is, is that he would go somewhere and then do something so that people could question him. Austin has come not just Globers saying he's an idiot, but Flat Earthers saying he is an idiot. He is being attacked from both sides because he fucked up.

Okay, so this is nice. So the point we are now is that you admit that part of the final experiment is in disrepute. I like that. But now we're talking about lying. Have you seen the video of Will Duffy saying that the Bible teaches it's okay to lie? Have you seen that? It does. The Bible does say that, yeah. The Bible teaches it's okay to lie.

Well, let me ask you a question because this... Come on. The Bible does not... Even an atheist would know. I was in the middle of saying something there, Matthew, if you don't mind. Oh, yeah. I'm sorry. Let's be clear. I understand and read the Bible way more than you. All right? And the Bible does... No, it's just a fact. And the Bible absolutely doesn't say that... No, it is a fact. Be quiet. The Bible absolutely 100% says that...

sometimes it's the morally correct thing to do to lie. Let me give you an example, right? Let's say that you're at home with your girlfriend or favorite sex or whatever it is you like to use, okay? Bang at the door, right? And you go to the door and there's a masked man covered in blood with mache. And he's like, is your girlfriend home? I want to stab her. Now, in that case, is deceiving that person at your door the morally correct thing to do?

Okay, to answer that question, you're asking an interesting question. You're asking a question that people asked of Jesus. You're asking a question that King David answered.

Yes or no. An example like this, that what you're talking about is like, is it okay to lie? Like what situation? Definitely to protect someone's life is not the same as to deceive someone. They are totally different things. You cannot conflate those two. You cannot. Matthew, sorry.

Matthew, I'm sorry. I'm going to have to stop you there. I do apologize. Is that right? I need to interrupt you. Sure, go for it. Go for it. Yeah, so no, you're incorrect. You are still deceiving. Whether the intentions are good or bad, you are still deceiving somebody. You are being deceptive to the person at your door. Whether your intentions are to protect somebody or not, you are still being deceptive. You are still telling an untruth. You are still lying. Okay, so...

Okay, no, you're actually incorrect. You could do a search right now. You could look at what the Bible says. Please let me finish what I'm saying. Matthew, if it's okay, if I could please finish what I'm saying. Thank you. So yeah, there is absolutely times where it is morally correct and in fact a moral imperative to be deceptive. And the Bible describes many situations like this. The Bible makes it very clear that

sometimes being deceptive is the correct thing to do in fact god himself in the bible was deceptive many times because god perceived that as the correct thing to do please don't argue with me about the bible because i know it way better than you uh no you don't and may i okay watch anybody could do a search of what does the bible say about lying and deception

Anybody could do a search, okay? And I really doubt you've read the Bible more than me, Craig, because it's just coming to mind. Like when someone, when the person lies, it's like they're speaking their native tongue, like when they're talking about a bad person, right? Or how God hates the lying lips, right? Right.

Or who is the father of the lie, Craig? Lies? Who's the father of the lie, right? How about Jesus? Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life. So there's no possible way that Will Duffy could say the Bible teaches it's okay to lie. It does. It really isn't. I mean, honestly, if you're going to protect someone's – if you're going to –

If someone's going to get killed, of course, protect the person. That is not the same about lying to people about what the Bible says or lying about going places you haven't been. I do want to put a bow on this and move back to the final experiment. So I do want to give you a chance. If you had something there that you wanted to use to actually back up that claim, that's fine. But we do want to move on back to the main topic.

Not yourself, it's just that he had made a claim earlier. Matthew, if I could just wrap a bell on it, all you need to do is read Proverbs. I've got one last thing. Matthew's got one last thing. I think it's fair. Let's just let him wrap up his last thing. We'll let you go ahead. I was in the middle of a sentence there. If I could just finish the sentence. Yeah, go for it. Thank you. No worries. Again, Proverbs 14.34. That's all you need. That says it's okay to lie in certain circumstances. That's in the Bible. You are incorrect.

what does it say before i do my final point what does it mean what does it say tell me what does it you brought it up it's probably in front of you right now what does it say if anyone wants to go and read that proverb and they will find out that it's absolutely okay according to the bible in some circumstances okay i'll i'll do my final thing but you should have probably read it craig but my point is this if will duffy if will duffy is running the final experiment

And he's teaching his church that it's okay to lie. That is another thing that causes me to have reasonable doubt about the final experiment.

Okay, we could I mean, yeah, maybe I could debate will Duffy on this I could bring a whole list of what the Bible says about lying Okay, let's say Craig jump into no argument there. No argument I didn't hear what you said. Could you just repeat what you said about will Duffy and that being a problem for the final experiment? Yes. Yes, of course of Craig because he's teaching his church that it's okay to lie and

According to the Bible, it is in certain circumstances. Absolutely, yes. No, but that's not the same. Deception is different than protecting someone's life.

No, you're still deceiving. You're still being deceptive. You can't. It's not the same. It is the same. It's like this. If a lamb falls into a pit on a Sabbath, it's okay to get the animal out of the pit on the Sabbath. We got to let Craig in as well. And also, Craig, your audio is still getting cut off, unfortunately. But yeah, you have had a lot of floor time here. So let's try to give a good bounce. But yeah, his audio is getting cut again. Sorry, Craig. You just can't get that fixed.

I don't know. It's so much to do with you. Right, Matthew, you're just waffling. You're being deceptive yourself by saying, oh, well, lying isn't lying if it's to protect someone. Of course it is. It is still being deceptive. And I can present you over 100 times in the Bible where the Bible says that this being deceptive is okay. So we don't need to have this discussion. I clearly know the Bible more than you. We're here to discuss the final experiment. You don't want to talk about it. Got it. All right. Let's move back into the characters. You don't want to talk about it.

- All right, hold on. - I would very much like to finish my sentence. Thank you very much. - Let's let you finish your sentence there for sure. Go ahead. - Will has never lied in anything to do with the final experiment. He has never been deceptive and he teaches what the Bible says. So there is no problem. It's just you not understanding things, right? So let's actually come and bring up some issues with what happened at the final experiment that would make you think it was a hoax. - Okay.

Yeah, I already said it. We can discuss that another day if you want. That would be an interesting debate about how, like what the Bible says about lying. We can do that if you want, another day. But my point is that, yeah, if Will Duffy's running the final experiment, teaching his church it's okay to lie, it's like, hmm, what else is he lying about? And I told you, the email he sent me, he said he was going to be in a studio the whole time.

So watch it was he lying to me then is he lying to me now or does he ever stop lying to anybody

Okay? Okay, let's let Craig in here too. Matthew, you're going around in circles. There's no evidence that Will ever lied. There's no evidence he was deceptive and he was teaching what the Bible says. So, no, you're wrong, and you're going around in circles. The host asked if you could move on from this. Okay, let's do it. Go on about it again. Now, you are the one that is claiming it as a hoax without any evidence. Yeah.

Only got your feelings. So I want you now to present some evidence that the final experiment was wrong, that it was a hoax. Right. OK. I want you to present an analysis of something to back up. I don't just want to hear your words. OK. Instead of my word. Instead of my word on it. Right. Wait. Here's the big thing. All right.

Please stop interrupting me before I finish talking, okay? You seem to have some impulse control issues, and I will do the same if you do it. If you stop interrupting me. All right, all right. No matter. Let's just get back to it. Yeah, let's get to it. We can get back. We can go into muted rounds if we have to. I don't want to, but... No, I don't want to. That's the point. I was just telling him. If he doesn't...

Yeah, no, that's understood. Yeah, no interrupting each other if we can help it, guys. But like, yeah, let's try to give each other at least like 30 seconds to flesh out some thoughts before you jump in, okay? I'm good. No, no, it's been both of you. I'm not calling out one or the other. You guys are both kind of crawling all over each other here, all right? So let's just, let's make it PG-13 again, okay? All right, so go ahead there, Craig. I know you were just about to make a point there and we'll try to bounce.

I've finished my point, and now I'm just laying down the gauntlet to Matthew. Rather than just his feelings and opinions, because they're completely irrelevant, they don't matter, no one cares, I want to discuss some hard evidence that it was a hoax. Okay, hard evidence. Dude, let me finish, okay? I'll let you know when I'm done.

I want to see some hard evidence that it was a hoax, i.e. some analysis of the data and videos presented that will back up the claim that it's a hoax. Not just words, actual evidence to back up your claim. Okay, on you go. Okay, I have two pieces of evidence. The first is the email that Will Duffy sent me saying they were going to be in a studio the whole time.

So he's not lying to me. He's lying to you guys, not me. Okay? That's for the record. Hey, stop interrupting me. Stop interrupting me. This is for the record. So we did hear that part already, not to pick on what you're trying to present there. So if we can move on from that. I'm getting back to it. He's asking me for...

That's a direct evidence, testimonial evidence from the man running the project saying they were going to be in a studio the whole time. Secondly, secondly, watch. Secondly, your own words saying Austin lied. Okay? That's not me. That's not my feelings. This is testimonial evidence from other people, from the guy running the final experiment and you, part of the team of the Globers. Okay? And you know what else? It's like,

Dude, why is it like that? Why do you have to say Austin lied? Alright, let's let Craig answer that one. Think about it, dude. Good lord, you waffle.

No, Will didn't tell you they're going to be in the studio. You just lied. I have showed the conversation between you and Will many times. He's basically trolling you, telling someone else, telling you that he was trolling somebody else that they were going to be in the studio. He never, ever said to you they were going to be in the studio. Here is the conversation. So, game. Um,

And I'll quickly read it. Yeah, but that's not it. That's not it. I told you it's on my page, my Facebook. So we couldn't see. So is he lying then? Was Will Duffy lying then? You're proving Will Duffy's a liar. Am I not allowed to...

Am I not? No, you're good. All right, if we are going to do a lot of over-talking, especially where Craig's mic's cutting out, like I said, we will move into the 30-minute back and forth. Don't need to. I don't want to do that. I don't want to do it either. Like I said, this is going to be the last time I'm going to... Hold on. Just like I say, if I'm going to try to inject you, this will be the last time, though, and then I'll just do the 30-minute back and forth. So we do want to try to make it work. Really, really don't... Ryan, try reducing my volume in Zoom on your end.

Reduce me both mine and Matthew's inputs and then reduce the overwinter output and that might stop the clipping Yeah, not sure if I have the control to do that But yeah, I'll just ask kindly I could say if you guys can just try to work with each other here, but let's All right. So let's see the email where he said that he's gonna be in the studio show that it's on my facebook page I just told you show it then I'm on my cell phone right now, dude. I

You can screen share on a cell phone. Hey, you are admitting that Will Duffy and I have been in communication. You admitted he lied. Let's see the email. I would like to see the email. You've just confirmed it. You just confirmed it. No, I didn't. I'm asking to see it. No, I confirmed nothing. Matthew, listen to the words, please. You can screen share on your phone. Present your evidence. Okay, watch.

You just confirmed what I said. That Will Duffy and I have been talking. Don't interrupt me, please. You just confirmed that Will Duffy lied. You just confirmed Will Duffy lied. Brilliant, mate. Brilliant. Brilliant. Please, Matthew, can you stop?

Thank you. Right. I'm going to ask once again. No, I'm going to say this. No, I didn't confirm. Well, Duffy lied. That's the stupid thing. So I never said that. But I'm going to ask you once again, Matthew, please present your evidence. I don't want words. I don't want to tell me where it is. You are able to screen share on your phone. Present the evidence. I'm on my phone right now.

Okay, I'm on my phone. I don't have a way to like click it out and bring it. Yes, you do. You can screen share on your phone. You set screen share. You did me better. You confirmed. You confirmed that Will Duffy. It's okay. Was he lying to me or you guys? Who's he lying to? Well, you haven't shown these. He's lying. He's not lying to anybody. You admitted Austin lied and you're admitting that Will Duffy's lying to me through emails.

No, I've not. I've not said that he's lied to you for emails. These are red flags for the final experiment, dude. You are saying that there's an email. Show the email.

Show the email. Look on my Facebook page. It's the first thing. Like, if you look on it, look at it. You could probably do it on your computer. You can do it. Press screen share, go to Facebook on your phone, and show it. It's redundant at this point. It's redundant at this point. You already confirmed it. No, it's not. It's not redundant. This is your claim. Please present evidence. This is some big damage control right here. This is huge damage control. Right.

Right. And I have asked him to present evidence for the claim. Can maybe the moderator step in here and ask him to present evidence for his claim? Because that's only fair. You just confirmed it. You just confirmed it. All right. Hold on. I will step in. I will step in just because I did mention earlier that like we do understand that you believe that

And that is, you know, that that's been stated. So if we can move into something else beyond the idea that, you know, like I say, that you feel like Will Duffy has been deceptive in some way. So that part has been conveyed. I'm not trying to be exasperated, but, you know, we get it, of course. Oh, sorry. Hold on. No, no, no. I want to see evidence of his claim before we move on, please.

You just confirmed it. You just messaged me. I think this is the best that we're going to get out of this. All right. So this is all right. This doesn't say it's it's evident in me. Hold on. I think to our audience, too, that this is the best we're going to get out of that part of the conversation.

if there's, there's other avenues that we can talk about, whether it is observations that, uh, have been claimed while, uh, you know, these participants were down or even, you know, some of a commentary about the people that participated, uh, beyond this discussion, that's totally cool. Uh, you know, this is, this whole, this whole thing is open to discussion, but yeah, this part has been conveyed. Uh, I don't think the audience is confused at all about where you guys stand and where you differ. And, uh,

Yeah, this is the most we're going to get out of it. So I just ask you both kindly, let's try to move on from this one. I am going to give you the floor, Matthew, and I want you, if you can, to, yeah, if you can present something that you find that was disingenuous about this to try to, like I say, give us some meat to dig into beyond this idea. Yeah.

The whole thing. Top to bottom. Top to bottom. I consider the final experiment... Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. No, no, no. Hold on. Listen, no. Don't interrupt me, Craig. I call the final experiment the fruit of a poisonous tree. You'll get a second. You'll get a second. We have to be able to hear Matthew as well. Yeah, the best way to describe the final experiment, it's fruit of a poisonous tree.

Okay, that's the very best way to describe it top to bottom Everything is suspicious Okay, can you give us something that is suspicious? Like a specific everything the multitude the multitude of these things stacking up and you know what else it reminds me of Aries failure how they set out to prove the earth was a globe, but they they didn't that's I want to call the final experiment a

Duffy's failure because they set out to prove the globe, but they ended up proving that they had to fake it.

So Duffy's failure, okay? That's the new name for Final Experiment. - All right, I'm gonna hand it back over to Craig. We're just gonna bounce it back and forth this way for a bit and see if we can get- - Sorry, I'm gonna absolutely 100% insist on evidence of his claim before we move on. I'm not moving on. I'm not letting that happen. I'm sorry. He has made a claim.

It is now his burden to present evidence for that claim. And unless he admits there is no evidence or shows it, I am refusing to move on from this point.

I'm sorry, but he doesn't get to just say things and then not show it. All right? That's not how it works. I'm not the one that produced the final experiment. I'm not the one who made those videos with all those mistakes. I'm not the one who hired Austin. Hold on, Craig. You had your chance to make your point as well. Dig it. I'm not the one that hired Austin. I'm not the one that made any of them. One thing. Hold on. Brian's about to...

Please. Hold on. Unless you guys want muted back and forth, you've got to stop trying to jump all over each other. Like I say, you just had your chance to ask Matthew a question. You've got to let him answer as well. I know you might not like what Matthew has to say, but we've got to let Matthew be his best representation of Matthew. So you might not like that, but this is what it is. These are the rules. So I don't want to be so heavy-handed, but work with me here, all right?

So let's just I'll take you both off mute, but let's let's try to all work together here. OK. Yeah, I'm sorry, but I'm going to insist again. This is not how it works. Someone doesn't get to make claims and then just move on. That's not how debates work.

And I'm going to absolutely 100% insist that before this debate goes any further, Matthew present evidence for his claim. There's nothing else. And if he doesn't present evidence for his claim, I'm going to interrupt him to ask him to present evidence for his claim. Because I'm going to be 100% clear with everybody watching, I am not moving on until... Because it's not fair. That's not how debates work. You don't just get to say a thing and then...

oh we're not we're not going to worry about that and move on he said something very very specific right that there is this email that he's been told this yeah so the burden's on him right now to show that no one else until we can see the email presented from him

Okay? Dude, it's on my Facebook page. And you already... We already went over this, dude. You showed your phone. Let's do this slowly. No evidence, no claim. You established... Listen, listen. All right, all right. Both of you, honestly. Honestly, like, yeah. We need to move away from this... Like I said...

and I have to iterate once again, like if you find this not compelling, it's just what it is, you know, like if you think that's what it is, then that's just how it is. And I don't think that anybody's going to, uh,

Yeah, like I said, I think you've got to let these things play out. We have to move on from this topic. No, no, no, no, no. You can shake your head all you want, but you can complain about it in your own space. I'm so sorry, Craig. We have to move on. This is the most we're going to get out of this. We're going to run in circles for the next, like I say, until we get to Q&A, which...

Well, you know what? Let me take some chance for some housekeeping, maybe give you guys a chance to just breathe. We are going to take questions at the end of the debate. If you guys want to try to steer this conversation in a positive direction, what I would like to do is, like I say, move on from this because obviously we've hit a wall here.

And it's not going to go anywhere, I don't think, from here. Like I say, we're running in circles. So if we can try to touch on another point, I think the audience has captured the overall mood, the vibe, if you will, of how this topic is going to be engaged with on both sides. So once again, we've got to move on.

I have a feeling that Craig is going to try to betray me here and not move on. I'm going to take you both off mute.

I can't. I can't move on until... Oh, he'll have to. Okay, so, Matthew, if you can present something that is not, I think, a Will Duffy has lied and some, like I say, a suspicion. Not, like, I think the whole thing is suspicious. Like I say, something specific that you didn't like so that we can try to move into something. There was a lot of stuff. There was, like, one thing I saw. Give us a specific so we can move into something so Craig can... Okay, so the shadow, right? Okay, watch. This is the one I saw. There was the one I saw, right?

I was like, why isn't that big mountain in the background cast in any shadow? And I'm like, wow. And I'm like looking at it and I'm like, okay, if there's this big mountain in front of the sun, right? Allegedly, which I already said, I don't believe they were actually there. But if there is a sun going around a big mountain, why isn't there a shadow from this big mountain? All right, let's hand it over and we're going to try to engage with that point.

Once I finish with the previous point, and I've got one thing to say on it, right? I just want this to be very clear that claims were made, no evidence was presented, right? Ryan, as the moderator, could you confirm that a claim was made and no evidence was presented to back it up? Is that a fair thing to ask? If you as the moderator agree with that and make it clear to the audience watching that Matthew did not back up his claim, I'll be happy to move on.

I am happy to let the audience and this play out in the eye of the public sphere. But you, like I say, I am a host and I'm trying to steer the conversation. But you, no, that's not how we're going to play. We're not going to play that game. Now, I want you to engage with his point about the shadows on the mountain, if you can, please. So he just gets to dictate how it goes. Is that right? No, like I say, you've just described that you feel like everybody is going to walk away with this opinion.

Whether I agree with you or disagree with you is not, like I say, relevant to it. But if you feel like it was bad, then other people will maybe agree with you. That's fine. But I do want you to try to move on and engage with what he's saying so that we can push this forward because this is just going in circles. I'll move on, but I'm going to ask him once more before I do. Matthew, have you got any evidence for your claim?

You're trying to get us to go again. Hey, okay. Hey, I already said it. I know. I already said yes. You can rewind the video later. You can rewind the video later. Look, can you show the evidence for your claim? If you can, if you can admit right now you can't show the evidence for your claim, then I'll move on.

I can't show it at the moment. Okay, so he's going to move on. Let's move on then. Shadows, mountains, let's do it. Brilliant. Let's roll. What was the next thing you said? The mountain. Well, can you show me what the shadow should be? What? Can you show me the predictions of what the shadow should be? Yeah. You can use a light, any kind of light, and you can put something in front of it.

and you can watch a shadow be created. So when I saw that the mountain wasn't casting any shadow, I thought that's very peculiar indeed. That you could do this yourself. If you have a light source and put something kind of in front of it, you could see a shadow. Hold on. You're just off and I asked a very, very specific question. What were the predictions of the shadow?

that you should have seen from the... Okay, okay. The predictions for the shadow, that it should have existed.

Yeah, what size should it have been? Where should it, what the angle should have been? Could you show me the actual predictions for what the shadow should have been to back up your claim? You mean down to the percentile? Down to the minuscule number, numerical value of lumens? If you are claiming that it wasn't as it should be, then I would, no, I'm talking right now, shush. I'm talking, shush. If you are making the claim that the shadows are not as they should be,

then the burden is on you to present the analysis of the predictions versus reality. Oh, it's not that they aren't what I think they are, it's that they're non-existent. Wait! Wait. It's non-existent. Step one is: what is the predictions of the shadow on the mountain? Okay, number one. The exact prediction is that a shadow should exist.

How much of a shadow, what angle, what size, predictions? It would vary, okay, it would vary depending on where the alleged sun would be in relation to the position of the mountain and I think also how the observer, where the observer is. But like I said, there's no shadow there. Well, let me have a look and I'm going to screen share and just point out how dumb he is, it's always fun.

That's not cool, Craig. I don't say that kind of stuff about you, man. Let's let him screen share. It's not meta. I'm not insulting you, Matthew. I'm just stating the fact. It is, Craig. Please don't insult, dude. It's not becoming... No, no, hold on. You get me wrong. It's not your fault that you're... Look at no shadow. It is a fact, you know? You can't help it. I don't like that. I'm uncomfortable with your hate speech, Craig. I really am, okay? Yeah.

So please, stop insulting me, dude.

I am not insulting you. You are not intelligent. You are stupid. This toxic behavior shows how desperate you are, okay? Matthew, there's nothing toxic about you. All right, let's not focus on the insults. If they're truly a bad... I have to do it again. I have to inject it. If it's truly a bad taste, Matthew, then once again, we'll let the audience let that play out. I'm just uncomfortable with it. It's like every time I speak...

And you are stupid. These are facts. I'm sorry. Okay. Now, I think this is it. Is this the one where there's no shadow? This is where you be. This is why I call you stupid if you don't understand our conversation. Now, you be quiet and I point out why you're stupid. Okay. All right. Let's take a look. Yeah. So, sun over here. Oh, look. Shadow of the mountain. Perfect. Where it should be. Now, let's... Watch it go behind. Behind. Behind.

Oh look, the whole shadow, the whole mountain is now in shadow. Let it keep going, watch, keep playing it. Matthew, right, Ryan, can you mute him please while I try and get my point out so I don't keep getting interrupted? Well, like I say, you guys, alright, we can move into muted back and forth, so if I'm gonna put him on mute, then you also have to be on mute. If he's able to not interrupt me whilst I'm trying to give my evidence, that's fine.

I don't want to have to do this, but I'm going to ask Matthew nicely for you to not talk for just like 30 seconds. All right. Right. We've already established that. Yeah. Lots of people make a commentary about the moderation, but my God, it's like wrangling cats tonight, YouTube. Boy, gee. All right. Go ahead. Let's present the video here. Let's give them some space there, Matthew. Yeah.

As I'll go back to where I was the first time, where you can see the shadows on the side of the mountains. So at the beginning with the sun over to the right a bit from this vantage point, you can see that the shadow is, you know, the bottom of the mountain is still lit up. But then as the day goes on and the sun goes behind the mountain, the shadows show

that the mount the sun is behind because the entire mountain is in darkness now why can't you see the shadow on the floor well that's because there's a hill in the way there is that's the damage control watch you got to put the sun right behind the mountain let it keep playing to when it's right behind the mountain it's like nearly there

No, you could keep playing it to the point where the sun is behind that peak. You could just wait and let me finish my point, Matthew. I hope you do. I hope you have a good point because you're proving my point right now. Is that what you want?

No, watch. You have to keep it playing until the sun... Do you want muted sections, yes or no? Watch. Let it keep playing until the sun gets behind that highest peak. I can't actually hear what Craig's asking right now. What is it you're asking, Craig? I'm asking if he was going to let me finish talking if he wants to go into muted sections because he's got some impulse control issues which don't let me finish my point.

And then he just talks over to me. And because my audio is clipping on your side, it makes it completely pointless. Right? So Matthew, the choices are either you be quiet and I tell you when I'm done or we go into muted sections. What would you prefer? I don't care about your choices. You're proving my point right now. This mountain is not casting a shadow towards the observer. What I think we should do. What I think we should do. I don't care about your choices. And we did. I was going to say, no, no, no. I don't. I hate when you do that because I was going to give you the floor. Now I really don't want to.

two. So if you just behave for two seconds. All right. We're going to, I'm going to give you, I'm going to give you two minutes. I'm going to give you two minutes and then I'm going to give Matthew two minutes and you guys are both going to be on mute while this happens. And then we're going to move it down into like 45 second back and forth. And I'm going to cut you off at that point. And it's not going to be as much fun, but we're going to do it for the sake of actually trying to progress the conversation. It'll be a little choppier though. So just bear with me. Sorry, Matthew. We'll start.

with the, well you got your screen share up there, two minutes on the floor whenever you're ready there, Craig. - I didn't want to do this. - No meta, let's just go into it. - No, I'm gonna be a bit meta, sorry, I'm going to. He made this happen. I gave him the option to let me explain the point, but he wouldn't, right? He was the one that decided. - The two of you are tangling, come on, let's see what's going on in this video, bub.

This is for the audience. My two minutes will start when I finish being meta. The audience can clearly hear that I'm trying to have a conversation, but Matthew doesn't want to have a back and forth. He just wants to cut me off and then never listen to anything that I am saying. So unfortunately, because of Matthew's inability to behave like an adult, we have to go into this back and forth. Now, my two minutes will start now. You have a minute and 20.

No, my two minutes will start now, please. I wasn't ready. I'm going to put you on mute in a minute 20, so go ahead. No, I'm sorry. I wasn't ready. I haven't started yet. I am starting now, okay? Please. Because, frankly, he has talked way too much, and I've got a few words out, and then I'm getting muted, and it's been a bit unfair. So my two minutes will start now, please. Thank you. All right. Okay.

So, as I pointed out, the shadows do exactly what we expect, 100% the whole way. You can see the shadows going up the side of the mountain as we go. And there is a hill here. There is literally a ramp down. You can't see the very bottom of the mountain because it's hidden by a curve.

10 seconds.

It's based on his ignorance, well, a bit longer actually, it's based on his pure ignorance of not understanding what shadows are and what the topography of the land. - That's time. I'm gonna hand it over to Matthew. You got two minutes on the floor. You're not gonna like me if you try to tell me how to do things. I just do it. All right, two minutes on the floor and then we're going to 45.

You'll notice that he didn't stop the video where the sun is directly behind that biggest peak. That's what I was asking him to do. When they were making that video, they probably forgot to show the mountain casting a shadow. And the reason there is no hill there at the base is because on the second half of that video, you can see the base of the mountain.

Okay, so I know for other people that might convince them, you know, people could watch Star Wars and be convinced that outer space exists. But looking at that video, you can see there should be a shadow being cast

from the mountain right towards the observer. If the sun was behind the mountain like that, the people messed up. There's so many mistakes that they they did. Right? It's it's lame. And maybe you could play it, Craig. When you get your two minutes, you could put the pause the video when the sun, the alleged sun in alleged Antarctica, right?

behind that mountain. Notice, notice. Yes, right there. Thank you. Thank you. Notice there is no shadow being cast towards the observer, right? You can see it. You can even see the base of the mountain on the other side. That's flat, right? That's not curvature. Sorry, Globers. There's no curvature in the studio they were in or wherever this was.

But I'm sorry, you could see it right there. There's no shadow being cast towards the observer. I'm sorry, they messed up. That's just one of them. There's more. Oh, I'm sorry. There's a lot more. I mean, you could bring up more stuff we could talk about. All right, thank you for the time. And there you go, Craig. It's your time now. All right, 45 back and forth, sir, guys.

I would like to see your analysis of the topography and the exact predictions of what the shadow length should be based on how far away they are compared to the topography of the land, please. If you can't present that, then your claim is bunk. You still have 30 seconds if you want to have it.

Well, no, I want a bit of back and forth now. I've asked him a question. All right. Over to you, Matthew. You have up to 45 seconds. Yeah. Like I said, it's like we are going in circles. The prediction is that a shadow should exist. And you can see the base of this mountain. At the second half, you could see it more clearly that you can see the base. I asked for numbers. And this is another thing they messed up. Dude, I already told you. It should exist. I asked.

I asked for the analysis, not just words. Where, right, I want- My analysis? Oh, my analysis of the whole thing is deception. The whole thing, top to bottom. I would like to see the analysis of the topography of the land. How far away is that mountain, do you know? Oh, I don't know. There should be a shadow, though, being cast by- How do you know that there should be a shadow? You don't even know how far away it is, or what the topography is. Because I know how light works, Craig. For a fact, Matthew, do you know for a fact that that land is completely flat? Yeah, you can see it. Well, why can't you see the bottom of the mountain?

I think you can, and especially in the second half of this video it's more clear. I'll tell you why you can't, because over here, this bit right over on just looking straight forward here, is where Union Glacier camp is. You can't see that either. Well, I mean...

Dude, I'm not convinced they were there. I'm not convinced this was real. I don't ask for your opinions, right? You have made another very specific claim that there should be a shadow visible towards them from this point, right? Now, that requires evidence and modeling to back up, right? So let's see your analysis of your claim with numbers.

including the distance to the mountain, the angle to the mountain, the shadow, the topography of the land. Or... You wanted to prove that shadows exist. You wanted to prove that shadows should exist. I was in the middle of saying a thing. I'm going to say it again. I'll let you know when I'm done, Matthew. Okay? Then you can respond. Got it.

So if you are making the claim that you are not seeing the shadow that you should, you have to back up the claim with analysis, modeling, numbers,

- Yeah, exactly. - What kind of shadow? The distance to it would mean the shadow would look what size compared to where they are. - Yeah, got it. - What to the shadow? Let's see your analysis of these things, not you just saying a thing, okay? If you can't say analysis in the next thing, then we move on to your next claim, okay? Because you-- - Well, I already said it. I already said it. There should be a shadow. It's not there. I don't know what kind of numbers you're looking for.

You need a formula to prove that shadows exist? Is that what you're telling me? That you need me to write out an equation? Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. I want to understand. I want to understand. There should be a shadow. Stop. You need me to write out an equation. Hold on, fellas. All right. Let's let Craig. We'll let Craig go first and then we'll let you respond. He's trying to add a point. Got it. Got it.

I've tried to speak like 10 times. You say there should be a shadow, back up that claim. Okay, can I? Okay. You need me to write out some type of equation or dissertation about how shadows should exist in reality?

That's what the standard you want to give me. When I see this video, I'm not convinced it's real. Craig, I know you're upset. When I look at this, I'm not convinced it's real because shadows should exist. And I'm not seeing it here. I don't care. You have made a claim. Where is your analysis? You should be able to see the shadows. Okay. My analysis is shadows exist.

That's not an analysis. Where is your analysis to be able to see the shadow from there? You need me to write out an equation. You want number form. I want numbers to back your claim. How shadows should exist in reality. That's what you're asking me for. I should be able to see a shadow there. That's what I want. Right, on this flat studio land, wherever they are, and this mountain, and this alleged sun behind an alleged Antarctic mountain. Right.

Matthew, I know how light works. Craig, you're not going to slither away from this. You're not going to slither away from this. There should be a huge shadow coming from this mountain, especially as it allegedly the sun going around it. Okay. Now I know you don't like that. You're in damage control. I'm waiting my turn. Go for it. Go for it. Go for it. Go for it, Craig. Numbers, please.

- Oh, man, you're funny, dude. You're funny. You're funny. Give me the numbers for the shadow. Give me the numbers. - How long should the shadow be? What size should the shadow be? What angle should the shadow be? - Dude, the shadow should be big, especially right there where you paused it. There should be a shadow coming towards the observer.

Yeah, but how do I... You don't think so? You don't think so? I think so. Matthew, I've got a question for you. All right. Listen to the question. All right. Prove to me that that floor is flat up to the mountain. The floor? Prove to me... Prove to you that the floor is flat?

Yeah, go on. Okay, just look at one side. Look at the far left side, and then look at the far right side. If you make a point there, if this was on a big screen TV, if I held a piece of yarn, that piece of yarn would be perfectly flat with this studio or wherever they were.

Matthew, let me rephrase my question. Prove to me that from the observer to the mountain, that that is completely flat all of the way with no curvature at all. Well, there's no curvature on the earth. That has been established. There is no curvature on the earth. Are you saying hills don't exist? Little hills, yeah, sure. Possible. Right. Could there be a little hill there?

I don't see any little hill. Oh my god, Craig, that's not going to work. Your deception is not going to work. There is no little hill blocking the observer from seeing that mountain. Little hill, which is the horizon line you see there. Nice try. Nice try though, Craig. Hey, do you see that pink elephant over there in the distance in the picture, Craig? I'm just talking about what's in the picture. What's in the picture. You've made a very big claim. Do you see that pink elephant there in the corner, Craig?

Matthew, you've made a very big claim that that floor is 100% absolutely flat. Please provide evidence. Well, it looks like they have, I don't know what they padded the floor of that studio with. It looks like there's like little piles of something resembling snow.

But as we saw another video, they couldn't grab snow or whatever. That one was funny. So, Matthew, anyway, can you prove to me... Do you see that pink elephant in the distance, Craig? I could see it clearly. Why can't you? Matthew, can you prove to me that floor is flat, please? It looks pretty darn flat to me, and I don't see any little hills blocking the mountains. That doesn't prove anything. Do you want a formula for why I think that looks flat?

I want you to prove to me it's flat. You're cracking me up, Craig. I'm loving this, dude. I'm loving this. Okay, this is the point I'm going to keep pushing. Can you please provide me evidence that the floor is flat? Excuse me? Can you please provide me evidence that floor is flat?

Oh, it looks flat, dude. It looks perfectly flat. And I don't see any little hills. I was joking about seeing a pink elephant. Measure that it's completely flat, please. Because, like, you want me to believe there's a little hill blocking the view of the mountain, which is funny because it's not there. Like I told you, Craig, do you see that pink elephant over there in the corner of that picture? You've said a thing. Why aren't you backing up any of your claims?

What do you mean, my claims? We're talking about this non-existent shadow here on this flat studio floor. That's why the mountain's dark. But you've claimed it's flat, so show me the evidence of that. Dude, it's totally flat. Look at that studio floor. Because the earth is flat. Dude, the earth is flat. We're getting off topic here. So heroes don't exist?

Hills definitely exist, but not in this picture. Not in this picture. You want me to believe there's a hill and... You want me to believe there's a hill blocking... It literally is, though. You can check with me. Hey, do you see the Enterprise flying around there? I see the Enterprise. Craig, do you see the Enterprise flying over there in the distance of that picture?

So, Matthew, do you have any evidence that it's flat? Yeah, the Earth is flat, dude. It is not a stupid ball. Mountains exist and hills exist, so do you have evidence? Mountains? Yes, mountains exist. And hills exist. Mountains cast shadows. Hey, mountains exist and they cast shadows. Matthew, Matthew, do you have any evidence that this particular floor we are looking at is 100% flat and has no hill or anything? Well, let me take a look closer.

In the distance, it does look like there's a hill to the left, a small hill very much to the left. To the right, it looks like there's a small hill over to the right, but nothing blocking that big mountain.

Can you provide evidence of that, please? Yeah, you're showing it on the screen right now, dude. No, I'm not. You're just saying a thing. I want evidence. Did you just go, uh-uh? You just went, uh-uh, to me. I'm not asking you for evidence. Where is your analysis of the topography? You're showing it right now. I'm looking at your picture, your video. It looks flat. Yes, it looks very much flat to me. I'm not seeing any curvature in this picture.

Where is your, I'm going to ask you once more, if you don't have any evidence, then just say you don't have any evidence, right? Where is your evidence that from the camera to the mountain, it is completely flat? You're showing it right now. No, I'm not. Did you just go uh-uh to me again?

not doing what you say i'm showing you you are claiming i am oh this is great you were just a great way to start the new year oh my gosh this is a great way to start the new year i love the show i love modern day debate matthew you are assuming that it is flat and then that is also your con your conclusion you are just affirming the consequent that is flat therefore it's flat

So it looks like it. You asked me, I mean, dude, it looks flat to me. Can we move past this? It looks flat. Okay. Here's my evidence that there's a hill there. You can't see the shot because there's a hill in the way.

The-- okay, that's like me saying there's a pink elephant in the corner of this video. - You just-- you can't see it. - No, you just said it's-- but I'm saying there's a hill, and that hill is-- Hey, Craig, do you see the Enterprise flying around in the sky there? I see a hill blocking the shadow. That's why you can't see the shadow. Or you like the Millennium Falcon more or Enterprise? - Which one do you like more? - So-- The shadow is not there because it's blocked by a hill. Dude, do you see Captain Kirk? He's there!

Captain Kirk is right there. Look at him. Yeah, I can see a hill. Dude, there's no hill. You are showing on your screen, there is no hill. Okay, Craig? There is no hill there. There is no hill there. He doesn't hill there because it's blocking the shadow. This is like a blooper reel for you, Craig. There is no hill there.

I can actually say... Let me hold back. I'm not going to say insults to you. I don't see a hill, okay? I do not see a hill, okay? I don't see a flat.

Well, that's okay. You can say what you want. That's your opinion. My opinion? Your opinion should be a shadow, okay? I don't see a hill. It looks flat. Just let me say this. It looks flat. I don't see a hill, okay? I see there's no shadow. Okay, that's my opinion, okay? It's like you feel differently, okay? Matthew, you said I can say what I want, right? Of course, dude.

Alright, okay, well here we go, don't interrupt me. You're dumb, you're stupid, you're ugly, your beard looks dumb, you probably smell bad and your mum hates you. Did you just say my mum hates me? Yeah, probably. She's fucking dead, dude. My mum's been fucking dead for like five years. How dare you say such rude things to me? How dare you? How fucking dare you say such hateful things to me?

How fucking dare you, Craig? How fucking dare you? State some hateful things to me. How fucking dare you, dude? How fucking dare you, Craig?

Can you know this hate speech? Ryan, can I address you, Ryan? May I address you, Ryan? This is getting a little out of left field. I don't know why you would set fire to this right at the end there. Listen, no. Listen, this hate speech, I'm having a real big problem with hate speech against flat earthers.

Flatfishers are getting so much hate speech right now. They tell us shit just like Craig said. They tell us we should kill ourselves. Just like the shit Craig just said. They say worse shit in the chat. The people in the chat say worse shit. I get fucking emails, messages, the same type of shit Craig just said.

that I had from Santos. I'm not interested in how people treat you. Craig, Craig, as I never treat you like this. Craig, I respect you, man. I never. All right, all right, all right, all right. Guys, guys, I'm going to ask you both. I'm just going to put you on mute for one second, fellas.

Like yeah, like let's let's not do that like like I say I know that what you're trying to do is get a rise and It's working and it's it's not it's not good. It's not cool I think we should like I say even they're trying to get back into what we were talking about which actually seemed like we were getting into a flow after much wrangling You know, I felt like you know, we were getting somewhere for a little bit, but yeah, this is I don't think being productive at that point so

Yeah, I don't know if we're going to be able to come full circle. Like I said, that's kind of like setting the room on fire at the very end there. But yeah, Matthew, I'll just ask you, like...

Yeah, where you were not too pleased with what you just heard there. Are you going to be good to get back into the discussion and try to move on from this? I think so. I think Craig is trying to, like I say, trigger you. And like I say, I would just recommend not to take the bait and just let the audience chew on it. Well, the thing is like this. Watch. The toxic behavior shows how desperate he is.

Okay, and it's not just like me getting it because I'm not a snowflake, you know I'm not gonna go hurt myself, you know, but there's people who

Hearing that be clear you could empty the pedophile so go fuck yourself. No, I didn't That's why your mom would know If you could please try to remain somewhat objective here for the we got audience questions that are gonna pour in and I do want to keep you guys here, but

Yeah, what it seems like you're trying to do is it seems like you're trying to really push this out. We don't want to do that. So we have questions in the chat. We've only been going for about an hour and 20. If you guys did want to take a moment and step out, grab yourself a drink or anything like that, that's totally fine.

But I would like to carry on either with the audience questions if we can, or if there are other points that we can get into and discuss, that's totally fine. I just want to prove him wrong quickly, if that's all right. If you can prove anything wrong, if you could just put something on there you guys can talk about in some sort of palatable way, that would be wonderful. Here's the thing. I've tried, but...

But he is impossible to have conversations with. He interrupts. He sea lions. He gaslights. He ignores. He doesn't present evidence. So again, come on. Show us what we got on the screen, all right? Do it for the audience. And I'm going to ask Matthew to do the same, all right? Right. So yeah. And also there is the fact that he called himself a pedophile. So I would never show him any respect. Yeah. Here's the drone footage. And as the drone goes up, you can see the... Oh, look.

There's more of the mountain becoming visible. This white bit here, more of that becomes visible as it goes up. You can see more of the bottom here from the camp. And the more it goes up, the more of the mountain becomes visible. And look, look, is that a shadow? Is that a shadow of the mountain? Oh, my goodness me. There seems to be a shadow of the mountain. So I reiterate, Matthew, you are stupid and your mum probably hated you.

All right. Well, that's not going to get you any friends. That's for sure. It sounds like so. Go ahead there, Matthew, whenever you're ready. Craig, I pray for you, man. I hope you still have your mom. I hope you guys have like good meals and stuff together. I bless you and your whole family with long life. And I hope everything goes well for you. I really mean that. I hope anything you're dealing with, physical pains, whatever. I hope God heals you and blesses you in Jesus name.

Did you want to engage with what he had said prior? Or, like I said, I know that there was a little bit of set and fire at the end there. So if you wanted to say anything there, Matthew, before I take him, sorry, fight the flat earth off you, you can't be throwing all these names around. I'm going to get all confuddled. I will let you guys know just right quick. I have the poll up in the chat. So was the final experiment a hoax? We have 16% voting for absolutely a hoax. 66% said it was legit.

11% said grab my Scooby snacks and 7% says I don't know I have smooth brain sorry about that that sucks for you alright I'm going to hand it over to Craig and we're going to try to carry on and if we can't get into some actual back and forth then we'll move into the audience questions so if you think that you can give us some meat that we can actually sink our teeth into in the audience put it into a super chat and we would love to get into it but yeah go ahead there Craig

I've tried back and forth but he doesn't want to engage in anything in any kind of honest way so all that's left is really to insult him so I did that also yeah I'm never going to respect someone that called him a pedophile for no reason but yeah I've just proven him wrong about there being no shadow from the mountain literally showed the shadow from the mountain from a drone so I would like Matthew to admit that he was wrong alright I'm going to hand it over to you Matthew and there you go

We'll try to do a little back and forth. Come on, let's begin. So in some videos, there is a shadow, but then in some other videos, there's no shadow. Nope. I showed you as the drone rose, the shadow came into view because the shadow was hidden by the hill of snow. As the drone went up, that's when you could see the shadow. The shadow was always there. I mean, is object permanence maybe something you haven't learned yet? Let me show you how this works, right?

Here's a thing. I put something in front of it. It's not gone away. It's still there. Oh, no. That's not magic, right? Literally children 18 months or so learn object permanence, Matthew. It was behind a hill. And then the drone rose up. Oh, no. You could see it again. The drone video didn't show any hill.

Literally, then how did the shadow come into view as the drone rose up? Because the other video most likely faked. Probably both are fake.

That's why in one video there is shadow, but in the other video there is no shadow. It's okay if you disagree with me. You have to understand what I'm saying. I don't believe it because in one video there is shadow, in the other video there's no shadow. Okay? I don't believe either of them. I'm sorry you disagree.

You don't have to insult me about that. So, again, there is a shadow. It's just hidden by the hill. The non-existent hill. Got it. Got it. Thank you. There's a non-existent hill. I showed you the hill was there. As the drone rose in altitude, more appeared because it was looking over the hill. No, it didn't. There was no hill there. That's a lie, Craig. Now you are lying. Okay? It's all right.

fake lying christian right you pretend to be a christian but you're not now here we go again more insults no it's not an insult come on down see craig fight the flatter just insult everybody insult everybody and their dead mother come on down

I didn't insult you, Ted, my brain's asleep. Two for one sale. Bring the whole family to see Craig. Insult guy. The trash talking, fight the flatter, right? Fight the flatter. At least you're changing your name, right? At least you're changing your name. You don't have to be that name anymore, right? Matthew, here's the thing, right? Yeah, I got it. I'm not insulting you.

I am not in this. Oh, yeah. Because the non-existent hill, I can't see a non-existent hill, right? You insult me, right? Non-existent hill. Got it. You see how he won't let me talk? You see how he won't let me talk? Talk me over me and over me and over me. He won't let me have a conversation with him.

- All right, I can hear what's going on even when I step out. So go ahead there, Craig. I know you're trying to get a word in edgewise and try to be polite. Come on now, like what's going on? - Well, no, the thing, I'd be polite if he gave me a reason to be polite, but because he's being so disrespectful to the way he's talking to me by not letting me get a word in, I'm going to treat him like he deserves. And I want you to be clear with understanding here, Matthew.

I'm not insulting you. It's not an insult when I call you stupid. It's a factual statement. All right. So stop getting your knickers in a twist because someone said something on the internet that you don't like.

All right. If the Internet is if that's a problem for you, maybe get off of the Internet and stop crying like a little baby because someone said a mean thing to you. All right. So once again, I talk now. May I talk now? Hey, Craig, you better think that flat earth exists. I'll let you finish. I didn't think you'd jump in right away, but let's try to put a bow onto it. We can.

I don't know how much we're actually getting out of this for the final experiment. Like, yeah, this is not quite going to the total plan. Of course, we never have a script. I'm trying. I really am trying to talk sometimes, but I'm really not being given the chance by Matthew. And then when I try to respond, I seem to be getting muted instead of me getting a chance to respond. But anyway, the videos that were shown conclusively demonstrated that there was a hill there.

As the drone rose in altitude facing the same mountain facing south, more of the mountain and the shadows came into view, demonstrating 100% that there was a blockage of some kind blocking the bottom of the mountain and the shadow from the sun. That was a hill. Only someone completely dishonest, with no respect for anybody, could look at that and lie and say there was no hill.

Now Matthew, that has been debunked. What is your next problem fueled by your utter stupidity? That one's on me. Sorry about that everybody. Sorry Matthew. Well, I mean anybody watching this video can rewind and compare both videos you showed that there's two issues. There is no hill visible in either video. And the second problem is in one video there is no shadow from the mountain.

Hold on, just asked you to come off mute there. Yeah, because it's hidden. I'm going to quickly screen share again. Just to drive this home completely, how much of a disingenuous liar he is.

Right, I want you to pay attention. Let me get out of my stream as well. Hold on. Why can't you just say potentially misguided or something? I don't know. There's no hill there. Look at what he's doing. There's no hill. I wouldn't say potentially misguided when he is a liar. It's just a fact. Now, I want him to watch what happens as the drone goes down. You can see to the right of the screen here, Union Glacier Camp.

If the floor is perfectly flat, that's going to stay in view. Speed it up a bit. So as it goes down, keep an eye on that camp, because if the floor was flat, that camp would stay there. What's going on? So at some point, you're going to have a hill in this video, right? At some point, this invisible hill is going to show up, Craig. Matthew!

No wonder you have to insult me. No wonder all you do is insult people. Because you got nothing, dude. You got literally nothing. We understand the feelings of both insulting each other that's on the table. I want to let Craig finish the point here. Well, Craig's not insulting right now, so I do want to let him finish the point that he has on screen.

So Matthew did it again. Instead of watching to the end of the video, he just jumped in and started waffling. So I'm going to show that again.

I was gonna say, I wanna get as much out of you guys as I can. I mean, you guys, you're definitely entertaining people, that's for sure. I am trying, right? I am really, really trying here to be calm, but I'm being a little bit disrespected. Now, please do me a favor and just mute him so I can just get through this and then we're done. Yeah, and I'm just about to mute him for some muted rounds. What the fuck, dude?

It's this one thing, right? All I want to do is finish this one thing and I'm being stopped. - All right, I've muted both of you. So I'm gonna let you do your thing. I'm gonna put him on mute, but yeah, we're gonna do, I'll give you one minute, okay? I'll give you a minute and then you gotta let him talk and then you can continue. So one minute, go ahead, Craig. - So once again, before Matthew jumped in, I want everyone to pay attention to the camp on the right as the drone is dropping in altitude. It's nearly at the floor.

as it drops right down to the floor. Oh, look, the camp has disappeared completely. Just going to go back a few seconds just so you can see that again. Right. Watch the camp to the right. Drone drop in altitude. Camp disappear. Why did camp disappear? Because there's a fucking hill. Lie again, Matthew. I dare you to lie again and say there's no hill.

I dare you to lie. Hey, Craig, there is no pill there. I think you might be delusional at this point. I think at this point you're... Hold on, you're on mute now as well.

Yeah, so Craig, you keep showing that there is no hill, and you keep repeating, look at the hill, look at the hill. It's like, let me put it in Star Trek terms for you. Do you remember when Picard was being interrogated by the Cardassian? Hold on, you can't just keep scratching. And he said, there's five lights. Hey, Craig, remember that episode? Picard, there's five lights, and Picard, he's getting tortured.

And he says, there's four lights. Craig, in this situation, you're that Cardassian torturer, right? You're that Cardassian torturer. And I'm like Picard saying, there's four lights, not five. And I know you know the episode I'm talking about. So in this instance...

You're like that Cardassian interrogator torturing Picard, trying to get him to say there's five lights when there's obviously only four. So your attempts have not worked, okay? That's all I want to say. You keep showing this video, there is no hill there. Compare this video to the other video you played, same thing, no hill there.

Then compare this video with the other ones. Notice that the mountain does not cast a shadow when the sun is behind it. Okay? You can keep going over this all you want. There's no hill there. Okay? Keep playing it till the cows come home. It's not there.

All right, I'll ask you to come off mute there. And yeah, if you want him to leave the screen share up, but if we have any other screen shares that we can show that might show other things that would be evidence so we can move into other points of discussion, that might be... He just gets to run away from the point, so that's not really fair. He's lying to everyone right now, right? Well, you're getting a chance to address that idea. That's the point, right? So, you know... Matthew...

Where does the camp go? Why does it disappear when it drops? Alright, just answer that one question. Don't waffle. Just tell me exactly why. Answer that? Is there a way to answer that? Like this. I don't think any of this was real. I think this was all just a production. That's why there's all these problems. CGI. Right, so prove it's CGI. Dude, they proved it themselves that they had to fake it. Wow.

How? Prove it. By giving fake videos. By having all these mistakes, all these anomalies, all this damage control. If you guys weren't doing damage control, it's like this. If you were confident in the final experiment, you wouldn't be in damage control. You could just be like, hey, forget what this guy's saying. Pointing out how dumb you are. Well, that's your opinion.

You just keep insulting and you keep insulting because you're losing the debate. If you were confident in your skills, you wouldn't have to insult anybody. Matthew, again, it's not an insult. You are stupid. Craig, no, it's an insult. You're just doing hate speech. That's all it is. No idea what hate speech is.

I have no idea what hate speech is. Oh, yeah, yeah. All the insults. Yeah, that's not hate speech. Oh, because of my beliefs. No insults. My beliefs. You're attacking, you hate my beliefs. No, I... You non-stop, non-stop insults against people with a certain belief.

What does that make of you that you target people with a certain belief? What does that make of you, Craig? Your whole online spiel, your whole thing is attacking a certain group of people, attacking a minority group of people. What does that make of you? What does that make of you to attack a whole minority group of people? Right?

Making money. Making money. Let's give Craig a chance. He's accusing you of making money, but we heard that. So go ahead there, Craig. Let's hear it. Let's hear it. Yeah.

Black rappers aren't a minority. They're just stupid people. It's not an insult. You are dumb. This is a fact. Stating facts. Hold on, Matthew. You made your point there, so I'm going to put it back into the back and forth, so I'll set a 45-second timer. Do you see what I mean? No, no, no. Don't plead to me. 45 seconds. Let's try to engage.

Now, I want to point out to you as well, so you can see it and everyone can see it, that here at Talk for Ages, I get 10 seconds out and he just jumps in and just waffles and waffles and waffles and doesn't let me talk. No, Matthew, it's not an insult to call a stupid person stupid. Stating facts is not stupid.

This is an ashtray. That's not an insult. It's a factual statement. You are stupid. It's not an insult. It's a factual statement. Everyone just saw you lie about there being no hill and then change to, well, it doesn't matter because it's CGI, which is another lie, right?

I have busted you at every point here. Yeah, I've been a bit aggressive because you're a bit of a dick that called my friend the pedophile. - Oh, come on, come on. All I said, I had opinion about a video. It wasn't even- - No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no

All right. All right. All right. Both of you, both of you, we're not going to talk about that. Not at all. All right. So like, let's go back into what was actually presented by the argument. I know that it's like, it's like you spend the whole time like laying out the gasoline and then right then you like the match. It's like, just, just let the gasoline be on the ground for now. Okay. Don't, don't set the whole thing on fire. So,

I know that he ended with a pretty bombastic point, but I do want you to try to engage with his, his broader argument. If I can, you know, if you, if you can do that for the 45 seconds. So me, yes, me. Oh,

Oh, I didn't say the video of the mountain was CGI. What I said was that I am not convinced that they actually were where they said they were because of all these anomalies. I never said the mountain was CGI. I think I clearly articulated that the videos are different. One shows a shadow, one doesn't.

And both do not show a hill. And I will reiterate and mention that Star Trek Next Generation episode where the Cardassian interrogator was torturing Picard, trying to make him say there was five lights, but there was only four. And Picard kept saying, even though he was getting beaten and electrocuted, he's like, no, there's four lights. And Craig, you're like the Cardassian interrogator in this situation. All right, back over to Craig. You're on mute.

45 seconds. - Yeah, stop taking Star Trek's name in vain. You don't deserve to speak Picard's name, frankly. You can never measure up to him. Yeah, no, everyone just saw you lie and then backpedal. Everyone saw you say it was CGI as a get-out clause of the fact that I proved that there was a hill.

Yes, you can't see the shadow because it's behind the hill. The shadow's there, but it's hidden. I have proven this. All right, it's done. I've shown the videos to prove it. And you just go, well, I don't believe that they're real. I don't believe they're there. It's CGI. Again, that's because you're a fucking idiot. I don't care about your opinion. So you have said specifically there is anomalies. I've debunked any claims so far. So let's actually get another anomaly from you to talk about.

All right, 45 on the floor. Over to you, Matthew. Yeah, I get it. Dude, it's like anything, you're never going to be able to admit it. It's okay. It's like that's why you have to only resort to insult. Because if you were correct, if you were confident in your position, you would never have any insults come from your lips. You would stick to the facts, keep your cool, composure, and win a debate. But you never do that, Craig.

That's because, unfortunately, you're on the wrong side. You're on the side that doesn't have any facts. You're on the side that has to make deceptive videos, and I'm really sorry about that. All right, let's hand it back over to Fight the Flat Earth. 45 seconds. Once again, I've proven that you're a liar. I showed there was a hill. Whether you see it or not is just a...

of your mental health. I have not insulted you. You are stupid. This is factual. Again, my question was, and I would like you to just engage with the question. Don't worry about anything else. Just engage with this question I'm going to put to you. Do you have any other anomalies that you can bring up so that we can discuss? We've done with all the other things. I've debunked all of that. A new anomaly that you claim there is. Let's have a look at it, please. All right.

Once again, I feel like you threw that little bit in there at the end just to spice it up. It says you debunked all the other ones, but let's just ignore that. A new thing, if we can. If we can get into a new thing, something that, like I say, you find suspicious about all of it. I know that there were even things that we talked about. You sent me an email, and we talked about in the first going off that you felt was kind of sussy. We can even talk about those things. Like I say, we...

We haven't really gotten into a whole lot of the meat, and I feel like maybe it's better to get into the Q&A if we can't, but I want to give you a chance. What I'll do is I'm going to set a two-minute timer.

Okay, and I want you both to do your best to try to give your best for it, okay? So two minutes over to you, Matthew, and then I'll hand it over to you, FTFE. Okay, like a closing statement kind of thing or whatever? No, no, like I say, I want to try to dig into some new territory if you can. Okay, I got one, I got one, I got one, I got one. All right, two minutes. Notice how Jaron and Austin...

And there's others too. I mean, I started to see Karen B and Dave Weiss. They started mocking flat earthers saying, oh, flat earthers are this. Flat earthers are so dumb. And I'm like, you know what? That sounds just like the hate speech coming out of Globers. And then I was thinking about the spiel they used to do. And I'm like, yeah, Jaron probably was always a Glober. Austin was probably always a Glober. Like that's why they all changed at the same time.

That's why all this stuff going on, those people I mentioned, it's like they say, just shut up and believe the people. They were there. And it's like, wow, that's another thing how quickly these alleged flat earthers that were involved, that Craig has said one of them actually did lie. So that's a damning piece of evidence in this debate. But we could talk about that, how they started spewing hate speech against flat earthers. We could talk about that.

- All right, I think one minute back and forth based on what you just did should work just fine. So one minute on the floor there, Craig. - I mean, I asked a question

if there was an anomaly and he seems to have ignored that question, I'm going to ask the question again. Um, could you please point out one of the anomalies that you'd like to bring instead of talking about what you think about people? I asked a very specific question and you ignored it. So back to you, please present an anomaly. The anomaly I just, the anomaly I mentioned is the, the change in the behavior of, uh, the flat earthers involved and, uh,

other alleged prominent flat earthers in the community, how they all coordinatedly started switching their rhetoric. All right. So you feel like there was a social anomaly. So let's address that point since he's already presented that. So if you want to address what he's saying is a social anomaly, go ahead there, FTFE.

It's just false. For the past five years, I've covered videos of flat earthers attacking other flat earthers. They don't get on because they've all got their little tribes. It's as simple as that. Jaron has specifically started attacking flat earthers because he's realized how fucking stupid they are. Austin isn't attacking flat earthers because he's begging for them to give him validation. Karen B is attacking the flat earthers that are saying that the final experiment is fake, specifically by calling...

sovereign soul unchanged mind, a chong-looking motherfucker, which was hilarious. So no, there hasn't been a change. It's the normal flat earthers arguing with each other like groups of monkeys flinging shit. That's all. No change. Just you want to see there as a change.

Because you need there to be some kind of change. So no, back to you with please present an anomaly about the final experiment and not a social thing. Make it specifically about the videos, please. No, you just did a uh-uh thing to me again. You did that multiple times in this debate. No, I didn't. I didn't. All right, all right, hold on. I've got them on mute. Sorry. Oh.

Oh, am I on mute? No, you're not on mute. I got Craig on mute. But I was just going to say, I'm going to take Craig off mute. I'm going to let you present. I'm going to take him off in like 10 seconds. And I'm going to ask our audience to do their best to hit the like button before Craig interrupts.

I'm just picking buddy. You guys are both you guys are both all over each other It's fine, but I'm gonna take you off mute and we'll see we'll see if everybody can hit the like button before Before Craig, you know jumps in so go ahead there Matthew and I'll start the timer Are we still talking about what I was bringing up earlier about how these alleged flat earthers They just all decided to start mocking

Flat earthers and going with the globe side That is definitely a sign that there was something going on with these people and I never trusted any of those people You know, I don't hate them, but I don't trust dave. Weiss. I don't trust austin I don't trust jaron any of those people and when I see them all like in tandem going on shows trying to sell a final experiment

It's like they're in damage control. Like these people, they don't like that they're not gatekeepers. Like Jaron is not a gatekeeper. You know, Dave Weiss is not a gatekeeper. So what they're upset about is that people in general do not believe this. Not just me. You know, I have my opinion. I don't believe anything of it. But the problem in general is that people aren't buying the final experiment. That's why they're all in damage control.

All right. Looks like there wasn't an interruption. I was just thinking, like, my goodness, Craig, you're having quite a spree over there. He really wants people to hit the like button.

I appreciate you. I'm here for it. Craig is just he's determined if you haven't smashed that like button. I don't know Maybe not enough of you have smashed the like button in order for Craig to continue with With the debate it seems like he's he's really concerned with chilling out right now

Craig, what are you doing? What's, what do you got right there? What's, what's, what's happening? Once Matthew's ready to engage with the debate, I'll be happy to get involved again. I've asked him for some specifics about the video anomalies and he's just waffling about his personal opinions about flat earthers. He's wrong about there being a change in attitude. They've always argued with each other and he just ignored what I said. So I'm just going to ask again and sit here smoking my vape.

and hope he brings up some, you know, a response to me this time. It'd be lovely if you could engage with the question I put to him, as I did engage with his. So again, my question is, can you please be an anomaly, specifically with the videos that we can discuss? Thank you. We already brought up a bunch of them, and there seems to just be a general uh-uh-edness coming from you.

Bring up a new one then. I've already debunked all of them. Bring up another one. Dude, you know what the problem is? I don't need to keep bringing up things that I don't make me... It's like this. I don't need to keep bringing up things as to why I don't believe the final experiment. That ship has sailed. That ship has sailed.

Where I am right now, I don't even think they stepped foot in Antarctica. I don't need to keep going over all these reasons. And you just go, uh-uh, telling me there's hills. There's no damn hills in those videos you showed me. Keep hitting the vape pen. See more hills that aren't there.

Talk about engaging with the material. Oh, my. I was going to say, this is getting interesting now. So what I think we should do, honestly, fellas, if you... Once again, just, I mean, I'd like to respond to that once again. You don't want to go into Q&A? Okay, go ahead.

Well, I'm just gonna give you one more chance to, you know, be an honest interloper and actually engage in the conversations instead of just using his opinions. You are here for a debate about the final experiment, so yes, you do have to present things. I'll ask you once more: present a specific anomaly about the videos that we haven't yet gone over so that we can discuss. Oh, shit. We went over so much. We went over the fake vape thing.

What was it? I remember Will Duffy mentioned all of them. It's like Vapegate, Dronegate, Shadowgate. Just in general, dude. There needs to be like a moment of silence for the final experiment. Maybe like a symbolic burial of the TF-E symbol.

And everyone across the internet, just do a general ceasefire. Globers and flat earthers alike, nobody insults. We all just take a moment of silence for the dearly departed final experiment. I think that's the best thing to do. Then people just stop talking about it.

I do want to ask personally, well, not just personally, just try to push the conversation as well. We have talked about this. Do you believe that

During the final experiment that they witnessed a 24-hour Sun. I'm gonna do the poll in a second I just want to ask you and fight the Flat Earth, but I already know where fight the Flattery What if I thought earth is gonna say but do you believe that they had witnessed the 24-hour Sun or do you think that there was something? That happened there. No, he's dumb. Hold on Listen, listen, let me I'll say it quick in our previous debate the first in this series

We established that a 24-hour sun in Antarctica is impossible. Okay? We established that. Go back and watch the four-hour video. Okay? Now, so what happens? That's why they had to fake it. You just lied. Because it's not real. I showed how it is possible. No, Craig. We spent four hours talking about how it's impossible for there to be a 24-hour sun in Antarctica. And that's why they had to fake it.

I'm so sorry, Craig. I know you guys love the final experiment so much, but it just failed, dude.

Rest in peace, Final Experiment. Just to clarify for our audience as well, so the main claim is that the email or the message that you got from Will Duffy, your claim is that this all happened in a studio? Just to clarify. Well, it's like this. In November 15th, I wanted to get more information about the Final Experiment because I didn't know how to watch it. I didn't know if I had to get Netflix. I didn't know. I messaged.

I messaged the Final Experiment official site. And Will Duffy messaged me back. And I asked him, like, how do I watch it? Is it Netflix? What is this? And then so he messaged me back. And it's on my Facebook.

And yes, he says it's going to be a Netflix science fiction movie and they are going to be in a studio the whole time. Now, I just like I have it on my page. I thought, is he just joking? Why is he saying that? As it turns out, as it turns out, Craig proved it by showing that he and Will Duffy are talking about me right now. Let us do let Craig in here. We do have to let it bounce. But I do want to get into Q&A here soon. But go ahead, Craig.

He just told a bunch of lies about everything. I mean, like, you can everyone can see that I've disproven the things that he's said today. He lied about Will Duffy. He's lied about the experiments. He's lied about there being a hill or not. I literally showed it disappearing. Matthew, where did it go if there wasn't a hill?

Am I on mute? Oh, hey, there was no hill, dude. You showed it in your video. You showed there was no hill. Listen, Matthew, where did the camp go if there was no hill? In what video?

The drone video. I showed the camera. There's multiple videos. Dude, there's multiple videos. In some, it showed the mountain had a shadow. In the other one, it showed it did not have a shadow. That's the problem, Craig. No, don't hand wave it. That's the problem. In one video, there's a shadow. In the other one, there is not. What's actually going on here? And there was no film. Hold on, not and. I was going to say Craig's trying to jump in. Go ahead, Craig.

Is he just going to be allowed to waffle constantly and I'm not allowed to talk or something? You were about to engage with his point before you got into the... I've been trying to. No, no, no. Try to then. Go ahead. He keeps lying. Matthew, answer the question. In the video I showed you of the drone going down, where did the camp go?

It looked like it was edited also. It didn't look like a smooth transition to where we see the whole thing disappear like you think it does. You're looking at edited videos, dude, and you're drawing incorrect conclusions. Matthew, you keep going from there's no hill to, well, it's CGI. I never said that. You're putting words in my mouth.

Or it's edited. So, which is, you would be different videos. You're showing different videos. No, I've shown you one video. I've shown you a drone video in that drone video. So your only answer is it's fake, right? Because Matthew finished. Let me finish. Right. You let me talk. Right. Okay. Gotcha. You are claiming in that video, there is no hill.

However, the camp disappears, which means it must be behind a hill, right? No, in that edited video, it does not show that.

Yeah, do you want me to show you again? Dude, we looked at it. You're not showing anything. This is the whole thing of the five lights, right? It's that same thing. You want me to believe that there's five lights, but there's only four. All right, hold on. I know you know the episode. You know the episode I'm talking about, Craig. You probably know the name of it. All right, so hold on. You want to share something there? Let me just go over to OBS right quick and get that up for our audience.

Hold on a second there, Matthew. No offense. We'll just let if there's going to be some progression in the conversation, I want to let it happen the best that we can. So let's just stick to the empirical facts. Let's forget that Matthew's here and try to let our audience know exactly what they're looking at without any, you know, any side shuffle. Okay.

This is the drone footage of them at the halfway point looking towards the mountain. He's claiming, this weird beardy guy, that there's no hill. However, you can see Union Glacier camp there on the right. I've slowed it down to 0.5 to make it even easier for the slow kids at the back. As the drone descends, look, it's nearly gone, and all of a sudden the camp isn't there.

The claim by Matthew is that that's edited. But the claim by Matthew is also that it doesn't show a hill. Matthew can't hold two positions at the same time. It's either edited to show a hill,

Or it doesn't show a hill. It clearly does show a hill. So Matthew's only response is, no, it's fake because I need it to be. Because I have to be a special little boy like my mummy told me I was. Matthew's lying. And everybody in the audience can see that Matthew is lying, that there is a hill there.

And then he's just going to say it's edited or it's CGI or he doesn't believe it because he's a disingenuous douchebag dick flute that doesn't want to actually engage in real conversations.

Now, I'm going to try it once more, just once more. And if he doesn't engage, then I'm more than happy to move to Q&A because I've shown that he has nothing and I've demolished him. The simple question to you now, Matthew, is apart from the things that we have already covered in the video. Craig, your questions don't mean shit, dude. All you do is...

uh ryan see see what happened there do you see what happened right does everybody see what happened hold on i am talking so let's let him ask this question right quick mass hue and then let's carry on i want everybody to see what happened there as soon as i try they sure did that's ask the question no i'm i'm just gonna lay it out from mainly for my chat to be honest as i asked him a question

or started to ask him a question to engage in conversation, he instantly interrupted and said he's not going to, he doesn't care about our questions because he is disingenuous and doesn't care. So here's my question. Matthew, apart from the videos that we have covered, can you please point out a specific anomaly for us to cover that we haven't already spoken about?

Okay, yes, you said there was a hill in front of the mountain, and then you just said the hill is all the way to the right. I think you're lying, Craig. And you know what? Every time you insult, it proves that you're losing the debate. Every bad thing you say, it proves that you're losing the debate. It means you're not confident. So yeah, the hill you think exists is somewhere to the right, right? Not in front of the mountain that I've been talking about. And honestly, I don't see the hill to the right.

Look at, he's not even engaging in the debate. He can only insult. Everything he said was wrong. He has to insult everybody.

I mean insult my dead mother? Come on dude. Alright. We've come full circle. That's so lame. We've come full circle. That's so lame. That's so fucking lame dude. Look it. Look it. Boo! Boo Craig! Boo! Boo Craig! Your mom would have hated... Boo! Your mom would have hated... Boo Craig! Hold on. Hate speech Craig! Hate speech Craig! Hate speech Craig! Hate speech Craig! Hate speech Craig! Hate speech Craig! Hate speech Craig! Hate speech Craig! Hate speech Craig! Hate speech Craig! Hate speech Craig! Hate speech Craig! Hate speech Craig! Hate speech Craig! Hate speech Craig! Hate speech Craig! Hate speech Craig! Hate speech Craig! Hate speech Craig! Hate speech Craig! Hate speech Craig! Hate speech Craig! Hate speech Craig! Hate speech Craig! Hate speech Craig! Hate speech Craig! Hate speech Craig! Hate speech Craig! Hate speech Craig! Hate speech Craig! Hate speech Craig! Hate speech Craig! Hate speech Craig! Hate speech Craig! Hate speech Craig! Hate speech Craig! Hate speech Craig! Hate speech Craig! Hate speech Craig! Hate speech Craig! Hate speech Craig! Hate speech Craig! Hate speech Craig! Hate speech Craig! Hate speech Craig! Hate speech Craig! Hate speech Craig! Hate speech Craig! Hate speech Craig! Hate speech Craig! Hate speech Craig! Hate speech Craig! Hate speech Craig! Hate speech Craig! Hate speech Craig! Hate speech Craig! Hate speech Craig! Hate speech Craig! Hate speech Craig! Hate speech Craig! Hate speech Craig! Hate speech Craig! Hate speech Craig! Hate speech Craig! Hate speech Craig! Hate speech Craig! Hate speech Craig! Hate speech Craig! Hate speech Craig! Hate speech Craig! Hate speech Craig! Hate speech Craig! Hate speech Craig! Hate speech Craig! Hate speech Craig! Hate speech Craig! Hate speech Craig! Hate speech Craig! Hate speech Craig! Hate speech Craig! Hate speech Craig! Hate speech Craig! Hate speech Craig! Hate speech Craig! Hate speech Craig! Hate speech Craig! Hate speech Craig! Hate speech Craig! Hate speech Craig! Hate speech Craig! Hate speech Craig! Hate speech Craig! Hate speech

No, this is not a classroom. I'm not answering your questions. I bet you'd like that. We're going to go into the Q&A. All right. I think that's the best for the two of you. We got an audience that I think can push you guys in a direction that is useful. So I am going to ask our audience. I'm going to count on you guys. Can't hear you right now, Craig. Sorry, see you talking. But I'm going to count on the audience to try to push us in the right direction and get some conversation going. But I am going to do a little housekeeping first.

All right, don't hate me for it. I'm coming on over to the other screen here. All right, so our debaters are backstage right now, technically. Craig's audience probably still sees me, and that's totally fine. I'm going to give our debaters a chance to step out. I'm going to talk about the debate con, which Craig is going to be at. So you're still getting an advert. Don't worry. Yeah, you take a moment. Matthew, if you want to step out as well, I'm just going to talk to the audience for just a second and let them know that...

We're going to have two great days, February 15th and February 16th. It's going to be amazing, as the Lord and Savior of our channel, James, would tell you. Dr. James, I should say. All right, so DebateCon 5. First day, we've got... Oh, I've got to come over here. That's right.

So, religion and atheism debates are going to be on the first day, February 15th. It is going to be in Newark, New Jersey. We have our tickets linked in the description. There's a pinned chat, so you can check those out. First up, we have here... Actually, I'm pretty sure the lineup of...

I'll have to check in on who's actually going to be going first before I tell you who's going to go first. But I will just read them out here. So Dr. Lawrence Krauss is going to go against inspiring philosophy, Mike Jones. That's going to be great. Cosmic skeptic Alex O'Connor is going to go against Dr. David Wood. And that's going to be a juicy discussion as well. These are all religious atheism debates. If you want to see the specifics, we'll check them out after.

You know, I'm not going to claim that I remember everything. Hey, football fans. BetMGM is giving you the chance to win up to $250,000 in bonus bets. It's all part of BetMGM's Longest Touchdown Jackpot, where you'll be able to split the grand prize with anyone else who bet on the longest touchdown of the week.

Log in to your BetMGM account today and opt into the promo. Then, place an anytime touchdown wager of $10 or more on the player of your choice, up to one player per game. If your player scores the longest touchdown of the week, you'll win a share of the $250K. BetMGM and GameSense remind you to play responsibly. See BetMGM.com for terms. 21 plus only. This U.S. promotional offer is not available in Mississippi, New York, Nevada, Ontario, or Puerto Rico. Gambling problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER. Available in the U.S. For New York, call 877-8HOPE-NY or text HOPE-NY.

Between client meetings, managing your business, and everyday tasks...

who has time to worry about website hosting? With Kinsta's managed WordPress hosting, you don't have to. They handle the technical stuff, delivering lightning-fast load times, enterprise-grade security, and 24/7/365 human-only support. Simply switching to Kinsta could make your site up to 200% faster. Kinsta's custom dashboard makes managing sites easy, with powerful features designed to save you time and effort.

Plus, their free expert-led migrations ensure a smooth transition. Ready to see why Kinsta is trusted by thousands of businesses? Get your first month free at Kinsta.com. That's K-I-N-S-T-A dot com. Kinsta. Simply better hosting. This podcast is sponsored by Talkspace. You know when you're really stressed or not feeling so great about your life or about yourself? Talking to someone who understands can really help. But who is that person? How do you find them? Where

Where do you even start? Talkspace. Talkspace makes it easy to get the support you need. With Talkspace, you can go online, answer a few questions about your preferences, and be matched with a therapist. And because you'll meet your therapist online, you don't have to take time off work or arrange childcare. You'll meet on your schedule, wherever you feel most at ease. If you're depressed, stressed, struggling with a relationship, or if you want some counseling for you and your partner, or just need a little extra one-on-one support, Talkspace is here for you.

Plus, Talkspace works with most major insurers, and most insured members have a $0 copay. No insurance? No problem. Now get $80 off of your first month with promo code SPACE80 when you go to Talkspace.com. Match with a licensed therapist today at Talkspace.com. Save $80 with code SPACE80 at Talkspace.com. Versus Central Dawa. So that's going to be a great one. And then Craig is coming out. You see Craig tonight.

fight the flat earth. Uh, but yeah, uh, rebranding Craig McNeil is going to be, uh, going up against Andrew Wilson. So, uh, that's going to be a juicy debate. Uh, yeah. If you remember from the, uh, the last debate con, there was, there was a lot of spice around that final debate of that first day. So definitely, definitely tune in for all the debates, but, uh, I am, I am definitely looking forward to, uh, uh,

to revisiting how the house might... If we're going to burn the house down again here, you know, with Craig and Andrew Wilson, it's going to be juicy. But yeah, Dr. Lawrence Crescent, Alex O'Connor, Mike Jones and David Wood, Pasdee Prophets, Central Dawa. That's going to be the first day. It's going to be great. And then the second day, I'm going to be there too, of course. We've got other people from Modern Day Debate who help out behind the scenes. James, of course, is going to be there too.

Yeah, we look forward to seeing all you guys and friendly debate peoples. We're just so excited. And I know Craig is excited too. Got his ticket booked, coming out with his better half. You know, we'll find out. All right.

Craig Craig Craig Craig puts on quite the show right so we're excited not so erudite versus Sean Fitzgerald then we have Alex Stein versus Andrew Wilson I remember that one it's going to be about the separation of church and state that's gonna be I think Alex Stein is going to be against an Andrew for so that should be really fun Austin would sit and Brianna who

Remember that one as well. It's gonna be a Palestine versus Israel debate Definitely hit the notification bell and once again if you're thinking man, that all sounds great. I'd like to see these people Yeah, get the tickets come on out, you know, it's it's really close to the airport really close to New York as well so there's a lot of incentive to come on out really like I

What's stopping you? So let's get over to the Q&A. Matthew, are you back there? Yeah, I'm here. Oh, okay. I'm not sure if you ever left, honestly. There was an opportunity to use the washroom. Oh, yeah. I went out. Oh, good, good. I'm glad. All right. I'm glad. So both of our speakers have had a chance to relieve themselves.

Yeah, I was going to say, maybe calm down for a second, right? Yeah, I was going to say, get the towel out. Wipe off the sweat. It's been quite the battle, fellas. Yeah, you guys are duking it out for sure. All right, so we're going to do the Super Chats. A lot of what is happening with Modern Day Debate is going to go back into...

Yes, Craig, sorry, I forgot to hit unmute for you as well. I'm the worst. That hair, like, pointlessly, you know, it's... I just wonder if there'd be any chance that I could ever get a good faith debater to go against, not some kind of lying shithead. It'd be wonderful. Hold on. Let me just check my messages. Wasn't it you that messaged me to say, can I debate Matthew again on the... Anyway. No.

What are you complaining about? Wasn't this your idea? I'm kidding. I would just like, in general, to find a good faith debater that doesn't appear to be getting, especially not Matthew. He's just a lying sack of shit. Okay. Mom would have disowned him at this point. All right, all right. You stop talking about people's other people in their life. Hey, Ryan. Ryan. It's fucked up, dude. Ryan. You know it's fucked up what he's saying.

i'm not talking about his mom i'm talking about you no hey please craig stop ryan you know hey ryan you know what he's doing is up okay it's persistent it is persistent yeah i i i would just say that i've had a lot of time totally lame hold on i'm totally lame what craig is doing yeah hold on i'm just gonna i'm just gonna put you both on mute for a second i i i tend to agree

It's not cool. It's not cool at all. But let's just try to not take that bait and get into the audience questions. I know there's been a lot of...

things that could generate animosity between you two right now and that you really want to I'm not doing it to him I'm not insulting him I just you know we're disagreeing you're just dumb that's a fact stop crying yeah so it's Ryan it's lame dude all right let's ask the other questions I want to

All right. Are we going to ask the audience questions? Are you guys going to do some meta discussion? You guys got your own YouTube, right? Uh, if you want to do, you know, your own meta discussion on your own YouTube pages, that's great. Uh, the audience, the audience, you know, is going to decide, like I said, if they find this type of behavior, you know, savory or not. Uh, so let us know in the live chat, you can put it in a super chat. Let us know what you think. Uh,

Let us know what you'd like to ask about the final experiment. Some things that the followers may not have touched on and smash the like button. If you haven't already, our team 96 says, if I'm ever on trial for murder, I want an all flat earth jury caught on multiple cameras seen by many witnesses. I'm not done. Let me ask the question. I'm going to die here. I swear. Just pass right away. Ryan's Ryan's Ryan's going to, Oh, now I hit refresh. Now you've done it.

Now I've got to go back to the question. See, you need to take a mod course. That was the most recent Super Chat. Do you think there's a course you can take in this? Do you want to try jumping on in here, ShowHeadSteve? I swear, there is no course you can take that is going to train you for moddering discourse in the modern day.

internet sphere. This is something that you have to do trial by fire and really decide if what you're doing is actually useful for exposing bad ideas, generating good ideas, or if it's counterproductive. That's up for you guys to decide. If you're really not enamored with what you think is so disagreeable, then it's doing what it should do. If you want me to

search for all the fucks I give. Oh no, it's on fire. It's on fire. There's the last one I have. Anyway, I'm just, I'm just picking on the live audience. You guys, we love you, but yeah. Oh, some people are really picky. I do hope the audience can see that I never insulted his mother once. I insulted him and pointed out that because he's a detestable human being, his mom would have hated him. There's a different thing. Oh,

Aren't you just a pleasant flower? Just stop. All right. Rt96. Can I talk to you as a person, Craig? Can I talk to you like a person? Craig, just for a moment. Dude, just stop the insults, man. All right. We're going to ask the question from the audience. So if I'm ever on trial for murder, I want an all flat earth jury caught on multiple cameras seen by many witnesses. At least 10 jurors will say fake.

All right. So the main core of the criticism is caught on camera, but you're saying that this is fake. So did you want to engage with that, Matthew? Yeah. I mean, in the modern day and age, they could fake a lot of videos. The classic example I make is they could make a realistic video of Taylor Swift performing fellatio on President Trump. So, yeah, things can be faked. And looking at the evidence, yeah, the multitude of it.

I think flat earthers in general wouldn't make good people to be in a jury because we look at all the evidence. We don't just accept what we're told. So that's a good super chat. Keep it up. Hey, Matthew, I'll stop insulting you when you apologize to MC2, you sack of human feces.

Hey, get over it, Craig. Come on. I'm not insulting you, man. It's totally incorrect, and it's almost, like, I would say immature. But you apologize to MC2. It's like, get some emotional intelligence, Craig, please. Get some emotional intelligence, okay? No one's talking about McTuna salad. No one's talking about McTuna salad, okay?

Okay. Okay. Put on the big boy pants. We're having a grown-up discussion. Okay. Grow up. Okay. Put on the big boy pants. Right. Step up to the table. We're having a grown-up conversation.

No insults are necessary, okay? Grow up, Craig. You are not an adult. You are not able or willing or able or, frankly, qualified for a proper conversation. And I will stop insulting you. You sack of shit once you apologize for MC Toon for calling him what you did. Are you Mick Toon's dog? Are you his foot dog or whatever?

You're his lap dog. He's not here. McTuna salad is not here. Okay. Oh, you're both on mute. There's, there's, there's nothing where I'm packing your guys. Yes. MC tune is not here. You're very right. So let's stop talking about MC tune and let's move into our next super chat. I'm just going to mute the two of you.

We're going to follow the rules here, or like I say, I'll just put you back on mute. LJ asks, just because they went doesn't make the 24-hour sun real. Well, they recorded it, and you saw it and streamed it. So, I mean, it definitely was real. So, I mean, you can claim it's all fake if you want, but it's pretty hard to CGI the hundreds of terabytes that they have in the short time that they have.

They've literally had to render 40 hours at a time to be able to get the 360 videos up. Yeah, it's not fake. You're just dumb. Can I respond? Yeah, sure. Let's try to... I usually agree with LJ, but I disagree, LJ. I don't think they even step one foot in Antarctica. That's where I am right now. No, there's so many mistakes, so much anomalies. All right, hold on. You had your chance. I just...

yeah all i'm saying is yeah usually i agree with you lj but i don't think they were even in antarctica okay that's just how i'm i'm i'm thinking with everything how it went down it's all suspicious to me fruit of a poisonous tree all right we'll let craig respond and close this one out from lj yeah like come on this right you keep muting me but when he overtalks me he doesn't get muted i don't i feel a little bit like it's

I don't want to complain, but I feel like a little bit one-sided here. Like, instantly, as soon as I try and push back, I get muted, but he gets to waffle for ages and over-talk me without muting? I did give you a two-minute earlier, and you took about 50 seconds of it to do, like, a meta-analysis, and I told you I was only going to give you two minutes, and I stuck to it. So, I mean, like... Yeah, the meta-analysis was needed because the people need to see what he's doing, but in general...

I get a few words out and I get muted, whereas he gets to waffle endlessly without being muted. And I don't think it's been a bit fair today. Just saying. I mean, and it's been pointed out quite a bit in the chat that the moderation has seemed to

go i don't think anybody's been complaining about the moderation not being fair i think they just are complaining that uh you know this is uh unfolding the way that it is and there's not a whole lot i can do about the integrity or the personalities on screen i can only uh try to wheel these uh characters in best i can so uh i'm not saying too much about that i don't feel like i'm getting my point out uh and then as soon as i start talking he overtalks me and then i get muted i mean i've

i don't understand what's really happened today i've been a bit confused with it to be honest um well i'll certainly uh i'll certainly review and uh you know make my analysis but i'm pretty sure that you guys have both been cutting off each other a whole heckin lot uh so let's i wouldn't be crying poo-poo on that one uh mike in 1986 dude we got more super chats says total hoax and craig needs to learn some respect

No, respect. Wait, wait, wait. That's for me. No, that's for me. Hey, Ryan. Ryan, what's the name of the person? This isn't for anybody. This isn't for anybody. This is just a commentary. Total hoax. Hold on, hold on. All right, I'm just going to mute the two of you. Hold on. Mike said total hoax and Craig needs to learn some respect. So obviously Mike agrees with you.

and he's making a commentary on Craig. This is normal. People that tend to disagree and they want to huzzah the other guy are going to disagree with the other person. Nothing new going on there. There's nothing we can really dig into with that commentary. Even Lorde says...

Craig, why do you think you can strawmarm the debate moderator? You come off as arrogant and petty. We can see what Matthew is doing, but you look bad.

All right, we'll let you respond to that one since you did just complain about this. I've been trying to get a fair go. Honestly, I have been over-talked and I've been muted and I have not got the chance to get my side out quite a bit and I've honestly felt a little bit frustrated. So, yeah, I'm not trying to strong-arm the moderator. I think Ryan does a great job, but today I feel like I've been muted more often than was necessary when...

you know it should have been he's talked like four times as much as i have so no i i disagree sometimes i feel like i have to stand up for myself and i will always do that and today i feel like i've needed to stand up for myself um so yeah i'm sorry but that's just how i feel today it's been i don't think my very frustrating talking to this uh completely disingenuous sack of shit and not being able to get my points out the way that i would have liked

Oh, don't be so hurt, Craig. Oh, I was going to say, I do have, I do have the timers here and based, based on hold on, hold on. Just, just, just because there's not a whole lot here is that, uh, you know, if I gave you two minutes, like that was a full two minutes. And like Matthew is usually done in there. Like I would say, if you go back, I think that you definitely had a lot of floor time. Maybe you feel like there's so much to address that you couldn't get around to it. I can't do anything about that.

We have to, like I say, let people either, you know, rise, raise their own sword or fall on it on their own. That's just kind of how she goes. Rockinette says, I've watched via FTFE's channel for an hour now. Just in here long enough to say this MDD channel and moderators suck. Hakem show evidence. Hakem, show evidence or get the F out.

Hey, can I respond? Hey, my brother Mike did a super chat. Hey, what's up, Mike? I love you. Let's hang out soon. That guy, Mike 86, right? That's my brother.

So big shout out to you, Mike. I love you. Let's hang out soon. And as far as evidence, hey, we already went over a lot of big points about all these problems with the final experiment, so much so that I want it to be called Duffy's failure. Similar to Ares' failure. Similar to how Ares' failure set out to prove the globe ended up proving flat. Duffy's failure set out to prove the globe. They proved they had to fake it.

Well, he just lied about Ares' failure. That was an attempt to measure the aether, not prove the globe. So he just lied then. And he's lying about what happened today because he's not pointed out any anomalies. He's just said there is anomalies and then lied about the things that he's been shown. Again, I'm not going to pull punches when I'm talking to someone like Matthew because he is a detestable human being that calls my friend a punch. Good.

Steve 6464 says, Ryan, Matthew did not know how to screenshot his Facebook page and show that email. Why couldn't you go grab that email and show it? Well, I mean, I'll be honest with you, Steve. Me and Matthew don't share social media accounts.

I'll add you, though. You're cool, Ryan. I'll add you, man. Even if you're not a flat earther or whatever, you're still a cool guy. I still wouldn't have access to his messages, guys. Oh, that's very strange. So something about the email or the Facebook message from Will Duffy. That's what they're asking about. It's right there on my page. It's right there. It's a screenshot of the message. It's his words, not mine, and...

Yeah, Craig did corroborate what I'm saying. That Will Duffy did in fact lie. Yeah, he was trolling you because you're an idiot. Thank you, Craig. Thank you, Craig, for helping my point. You just helped me win this debate. You are important. He trolled you. You just helped me win. Can I talk without you interrupting? Is that possible? Yeah, yeah, dude, go for it.

Yeah, shut your fucking face off once. Good boy. Yeah, behave. Good boy. Yeah. I showed the screenshot of me and Will conversing where he was like, yeah, I'm just fucking trolling this idiot because he thinks you're an idiot just like me. You aren't important enough to tell the truth. So he lied. So he lied.

So you helped me establish that Will Duffy is a liar. Thank you. You know what? You know what, Will Duffy? Checkmate, Craig. Checkmate. Will Duffy pulled a prank on you. Will Duffy made you look like an idiot by telling me that he was trolling. You can't play chess. Don't pretend. You're more of like a... Hey, thanks, Craig. Hey, checkmate. You helped me prove Will Duffy's a liar and you said... Again, you're just... Your word, not mine. Again, you're just talking...

Again, you're just talking over me because you are a disingenuous asshole who does not want to engage in proper conversation. You just want to talk over and talk over because you're a baby that doesn't know how to behave. All right, so hold on, hold on, hold on. All right, you're both on mute. We're going to ask the next question. You guys got to the end of that, I'm sure. Pistina, piss, Tina. Oh, man, that doesn't sound good.

Anyway, Pissy Tina the first says, what the f- Ryan. Moderateet. Moderateet. All right. There you go. Smacked my own teet. David says, I'm not on Facebook. Show me the email, Matthew. I'll ask you to come off mute there. I'm not on Facebook. I'm on my phone right now. Hey, just, I don't know. You got to know someone on Facebook. I'm not the only person.

left on Facebook. So it's right there. It's an email. And it's redundant because Craig is corroborating what I'm saying. I'm not forcing him to do that. He helped me win this debate. When he said Austin lied, there's no credibility. When you said Will Duffy is lying to me, he's lying to me.

Austin, he disappears. Yeah, that's it. But here's the thing. It's done. Matthew, final experiment. Rest in peace. Matthew, again, you're being a disingenuous person by not letting me respond and just waffling and waffling. Sorry. Sorry about that. Sorry about that. You should be fucking sorry. Again, you, Matthew, are not important enough to tell the truth to.

We are trolling you constantly because you are a sack of shit. That's it. You aren't worth the oxygen that plankton creates. That's why your mom would have... Oh, Craig. You know, God bless you. God bless your mom. Long, happy life. Good food. Dancing. Love. Joy to your whole family. Hold on. We should both unmute again before you get back into it. All right, guys.

Time to the live chat now we're doing all weekend to try to wheel this in you know I've hosted a lot of pretty bombastic debates, but holy lightning We're doing weekend your your questions are really helping, but yeah guys guys. Oh wait lighten help me here alright silver Phoenix rising I

Hey, Phoenix Rising, my wife really likes that game. Alright, just reset the tone, okay? Matthew, your eyes are not measuring tools. It looks flat isn't a measurement. I'll ask you to unmute there. Well, I mean, why not? I mean, we're trying to look for a hill that doesn't exist. We're looking for a shadow that doesn't exist in one of the videos.

I mean, I think my eyes work pretty good. I mean, maybe that super chatter needs to get their eyes checked. Maybe they can't, they don't have good vision like I do. All right. Let's ask the next question. There's not really a whole lot to engage with on both sides, but I'll ask you to come off mute there, Craig, and we'll ask the next question. Even Lord Craig, how can you believe that men can become women? You can see the earth isn't flat, but you can't acknowledge a biological reality.

Who said I ever think men can become women? Why is he just strawmanning my position? I've never said that. I've never said a man can become a woman. Is he just making an assumption about me?

That's a very strange thing to do. People ask me constantly, "What is a woman?" and laugh. A woman is a biological female human. - Nice. Nice. - What's that? A man can become a trans woman. I mean, it's a stupid thing. I've never said a man can become a woman. That's a biological thing. Can they become trans? Yes. And would I call them their preferred gender? Yes.

That doesn't mean a man has become a woman in the biological sense. No one is ever claiming that. In 500 years' time, you dug up the bones, you wouldn't know the difference between them. But if someone identifies as something else because that's how they truly feel, us children, in the respect of

you know, calling them what they would be preferred. That doesn't change the biological fact of what and who they are. It's a bit of a stupid question, really. Let's move on. I kind of halfway agree with you, Craig, but, I mean, if a man tells me he's a woman, I'm not going to call him a woman. But if a man tells me his name is, like, Jessica, I'll be like, okay, this man is telling me his name is Jessica. Like, okay.

No, it has to never be a, never be a woman. A man can never be a woman. A man can never become pregnant. A woman can never become a man. Never. Let's move on. That's not what our debate topic is about. So Mike 1986 dude says, uh, Craig wouldn't last two minutes in a room with Matt. Now. Oh, no. I mean, I mean, all right. So, I mean, obviously,

Okay, Matt, I challenge you right now to a push-up competition. No, I don't do push-ups. I used to do push-ups, but I got man boobs. My pectoral muscles were getting too big when I was doing push-ups every day. He is too manly. I didn't like doing that. He is too manly. It's weird. I don't like... I got man boobs. It was weird. I'm like a heavyset kind of guy, and I was doing push-ups every day. It made my boobs fucking like man boobs.

You said that secret. No, no, no. I think my brother Mike was referring to like if we were meeting face to face and you were trying to talk the shit that you talk. My brother's trying to say that you wouldn't even it wouldn't be like a fight. That's what my brother's trying to tell you. Oh, see. See, I want to wait. Yeah.

What does that mean? Is he saying that I wouldn't get a chance? No, what he's saying is like, he's expressing that you talk a lot of shit, but you cannot back up anything. You cannot back up anything. I back up everything I say. I back up everything. No, you can't. That's why you trash talk. That's why you trash talk. You're actually like the bully. I'm asking you a question. We were in high school.

I'm asking you a question. Oh, goodness me. That took a while. Was that your brother, did you say? I believe so. Can you repeat the name of the super chatter? If it's Mike 86. Yeah, that's my brother. Yeah, I was trying to let Matthew finish there, Craig. Yeah. So when you're talking shit about my mom, you're talking shit about his mom, too.

i didn't talk about your mom i talked about you yeah you know you did no no no i said your mom yeah you're just talking dude and that's that's the only point is that my brother is expressing that you talk about it you talk a lot of but if you were trying to confront me face to face acting like that you would not uh last if you were trying to act like that to me what do you mean i would not act

Act like a bully, insult my mom. If we were face to face, like man to man. All right, hold on. He's trying to clarify. What are you trying to clarify? What do you mean, I would not last? Please clarify. I think it's like this. Say you tried to act like that to me. It would easily to shut you down. Any way.

how it would be whatever way i would de-escalate it anyway everything that i have said today i would say to your face what happened i de-escalate i see how you act i don't need to get in your face and act tough

you're the type of person you think you mean like the type of person that would so your brother's wrong with glass then like like no i don't i think no i agree with my brother i i would classify you i said i wouldn't last what does he mean i wouldn't laugh i would come to your face matthew and i would look you in your eyes dude come on come on now you really now you're really pushing me finish let me finish

Matthew, let me finish. I would look you in your eyes and I would say, Matthew, you're a fucking idiot and your mum would have hated you. What would you do? Nothing. Well then, I win. I would laugh at you. The point is, it's like this. It's... No, I don't think so. I don't think so.

I don't think so. I don't know if this is the great point we want to be making right now there, guys. So, FlatNicky, we're going to ask the next question. Let's ask the next question. I think you're a bully. I think you're the type of person that starts fights and ends up losing fights. That's what I think. I've never lost a fight in my life, and I don't start fights. Yeah, but you obviously are very kind of delusional, it seems like, looking at pills that aren't there. Get it? Oh, right. All right, all right. Hold on, the two of you. We're going to ask the next super chat. This is...

Oh my goodness, you guys just flexing and everything. Alright, Flat McGee says, Craig is a child stuck in a 40-year-old's body. Earth is flat. That's a fucking lootly. I never got past 14. Why would you? It's fun. They said 40. A 40-year-old. Yeah, a child stuck in a 40-year-old's body. Yeah, I'm 14 inside because, you know, it's a lot more fun. Well, the insult, right?

but I've de-aged it by about 10 years, so my body's about 30 at the moment. You took it with stride. There you go. Ksack11 says, Matt needs to crowdfund cheese for all his wine. That was their first super chat. Oh, man. That's cool. I like that. Guys. Alright.

All right, well, yeah, keep the super chats coming in if you think you can stir the pot on these two. I don't think it takes too much to stir these guys, honestly. Sorry, what was the question? Matthew, are you there? No, don't worry about it. Oh, it cut out for a second. I missed part of it. Trust Cal.

No, I missed part of it. I got cut out. Oh, no worries. All right, so the next one, the audience didn't miss it. That's great. Trust Krause says, Over to you, Matthew.

Well, what they want me to do is not have an opinion. I think that's the point that they're trying to make. I think this whole thing was some type of deception that people were just supposed to blindly believe. But unfortunately, because of all the mistakes, people are not believing it. So it has become a big problem that people are not believing the final experiment. On to you. All right. Let's move on to the next question there.

I'm just grabbing a little something something. Lower Decks asks, Matt, do you think every hill is a cartoonish bump? Hills can take up the entire horizon. A hill can also be a slight incline spread over a large distance. The photo is aimed up such a hill. Yeah, but once again, there is no hill in any of those videos.

Okay, I don't know what the problem is. It's part of this programming where the guy's telling Picard there's five lights. But Picard says, no, there's four lights. This is what's going on with this imaginary hill in these videos. Everybody saw the hill. It's fine. Okay, whatever you say.

I'm not sure where Ryan's gone, but yeah, everybody saw the hill. Everybody saw the camp disappear, which can only happen behind the hill. And Matthew, you admitted there was a hill, but then you were like, yes, you did. Yes, you did. Now you're lying. It was just to the side, right? You said there was a hill, but it was... You said there was one blocking the mountain.

I didn't, I said there was little hills at the periphery. That's what I said. And there was no hill in front of the mountain. Well, there was. It went across the whole way. No, there wasn't, Craig. I literally showed it, Matthew. Hey, do you also see Santa Claus at Christmas time? Hey, when it was Christmas time over there in Britain or whatever, did you see Santa Claus? Matthew, I showed everybody the hill.

Kris Kringle, me lord. Kris Kringle. This is why your mom would have hated you, because you're a liar. Oh, you know what? At least you know that she's dead, and you're attacking someone that's not here to defend themselves. No, I'm attacking you. That's terrible. That's so terrible, Craig. I hope you still have your mom. Attacking your mom. Give your mom a hug, Craig. If we hear your mom one more time. My goodness. Yes. All right.

Everybody hug their mothers. It's great to have a mom. All right.

And, yeah, let's not attack anybody. Anything, if we can, right? Let's just try to engage with the audience, all right? Captain Blade says, Don't Matthew is legitimately lying? Sorry, this is kind of typoed. And defrauding himself. There is zero scripture or doctrine in Revelation ever that said the earth is flat. Flat earthers are heretics if they tie the Bible to this.

I'll ask you to meet there. I'm going to have to look into it. But I think the book of Revelation is kind of talking about different things. But I think what they might be referring to is when everybody sees Jesus coming back in the clouds. And it's like, how could everybody on earth see Jesus come back if the earth is a ball? That's the point about flat earth in the Bible. It's like it's describing a lot of things. And so I think that's what the super chatter might have been confused about.

All right, chance to respond there if you want, Craig. Sorry, what was the question? I missed it. No worries. So it is about there is zero scripture or doctrine in Revelation ever that said the earth is flat. Flat earthers are heretics if they tie the Bible to this. Yeah, no, there's nothing in the Bible that says the earth is flat. It's not a book that talks about the shape of the earth. That's funny, Craig. That's very funny. That's a different debate, different debate. All right, then we'll ask the next question.

No worries. Yeah, I was just saying you guys definitely disagree. We know that. That's a for certain there. All right, so Ryan, this is from Slow John Doe. Ryan, last time you read my question wrong. You read can as can't, which literally reversed the meaning of my question. So may I suggest show comments on screen? I'd like to show comments on screen. If some of you wouldn't put some comments in there that are kind of crazy. All right, so...

But yeah, I do my best to try to read them. So John Doe, I'm sorry if I read your question wrong and the meaning was lost. I'm sure that this impacted the universe greatly. I'll ponder this for years to come. All right. Even Lord says, Craig, take another puff of nicotine and water vapor. This is nicotine.

This is dry herb. There's literally only cannabis in this, nothing else. Nice, nice. We agree, Craig. I like that. I know there's a lot of stuff we agree about, Craig. It's very funny, dude. Like this whole flat earth versus globe thing. Aside from that, I think we probably would be friends. No, I wouldn't be friends with someone like you. You're a detestable human being. Like I said, if not for this flat earth versus globe thing, I think we would be friends, dude.

I'm just putting it out there. I'm just putting it out there. My friends are intelligent people and you're dumb. I couldn't be friends. Like I said, aside from this flat earth versus globe thing, I really do think we'd probably be friends or whatever. But unfortunately, you know, we're on either sides of this. But I respect you, Craig. I don't like fight the flat earth. I think Craig's a real person with feelings, dude. I don't respect you in the slightest. I think you're a detestable human being.

I know. That's okay, dude. That's your opinion. All right. Next one. The Grumpy Old Mechanic asks, Hey, Kim, what is your evidence that the Roald Amundsen expedition's meticulous observation of the 24-hour sun at the South Pole were fake? We'll let both sides respond, but I'll start with you.

I would just want to look more into it, but we already went over this for about four hours, how it's impossible. So when people are presenting videos of impossible phenomena, yeah, it's best to double check it independently, verify it, and reproduce it. So what was the question again? I've been engaged with the chat. I apologize. Ryan, you're muted.

Here, I just gotta turn my preamp up, my bad. Alright, so you've been engaged with your live chat. Alright, so just here, the Grumpy Old Mechanic asks about the rolled Amundsen expeditions. Meticulous observations of the 24-hour sun. Yeah, when flat earthers say, oh, there's no video of the 24-hour sun, no one's ever seen the 24-hour sun. But I mean...

they've known about the 25-hour sun for centuries and there's been countless videos of it but flat rafers just claim that it's fake you know they've done many many expeditions to antarctica but then hell like three days ago um a 21 year old became the youngest ever person to solo ski to the south pole and flat rafers claim that antarctica isn't real it's absolutely mind-blowing right

Hey, right. Quickly. I would like to extend to you my apologies, um, for getting testy with you. I, that wasn't my intention. Uh, unfortunately just talking to people like Matthew Hakeem is, uh, makes me quite, um,

frustrated when conversations aren't able to be had because he's a disingenuous bad faith debater. But I do apologize to you, Ryan. You aren't a moderator and I shouldn't have interrupted you as much as I did and I do offer you my sincere apologies. Oh, well, Craig.

Let me find that bag of fucks. No, I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I accept your apology. That's fine. It's debate, man. I'm just joking with you. Let's just carry on. Don't worry about that too much. This is the nature of the game. It's the name of the game.

We're debating, it's live and yeah, sometimes I don't always make the best decisions either when trying to decide whether just to let it flow or, you know, kind of be a little more heavy handed. So don't worry about that. We won't do meta discussion here, guys. We appreciate all the super chats. We're going to keep asking them and get the best that we can out of it. So Kango44 says, doesn't MDD get tired of platforming spastics like Matthew?

What does that mean? Why are they calling me spastic?

I don't know. I mean, they're trying to talk trash. I love this show. I love that there's different people on this show, right? Different opinions. Everyone, you know? Everybody's mad at everybody right now. Oh, my goodness. I was going to say. We got a real stir pot right now, guys. I mean, yeah, everybody needs to just have a puff and chill out, I swear. Endermaner says, you were in agreement with that, right, Matthew? Right? Yeah.

Well, yeah, sure. Whatever they do, just people kicking back, enjoying the show, you know? Yeah, that's fine. It's all good. Yeah, we'll just all have a puff and just chill out. All right, question from Matthew Hakem. How much of your belief in Flat Earth is just from religious faith? Don't most religious people accept the truth and facts? Okay, I'll explain it quickly. When I was a glober, I was still a Christian. I read the Bible my whole life.

For me, flat Earth is not an issue of faith, because I don't need faith to see that there's no curvature on the Earth. I don't need faith to recognize that the Earth is not moving. However, on the other side, globers require an immense amount of faith to believe that there is curvature on the Earth. And globers require an immense amount of faith to believe that the Earth is rotating.

So for me, I would say it's not religious, it's not really spiritual, but when considering the earth structure, how big this earth is, considering all the things going on above it, and there's no way to deny God by considering earth, considering reality. By considering reality, it does draw us closer to God.

Yeah, so everything you just said was an outright lie. We don't need faith that there's curvature. Everything you just said was an outright lie because we don't need faith. We can measure that there's curvature and we can measure that the earth rotates. Those things don't require it. How do you measure it? Well, I've measured it personally with a Falkarts pendulum. Okay, and did that have a motor or did it eventually stop on its own?

Of course it did, exactly as we predict. Okay, so you're discounting gravity when it said a force in motion would stay in motion unless acted upon by another force. So you just debunk gravity. Gravity is something to do with it. Gravity pulls the Falkor's pendulum down towards the ground. So gravity is not making it go like this.

Gravity when your mind makes it go down. Okay. So you measure gravity by something stopping. No, I measured the drift of the pendulum and calculated my latitude on Earth to confirm Earth's rotation as per the prediction. You just mentioned it stopped. You mentioned it stopped. Yeah. What made it stop? So I thought gravity is what's making it stay in motion. No one ever said that. Maybe you don't understand the experiment. So there was no motor or yes, there was a motor?

No, there was no motor. It was a pendulum that swung back and forth and I measured the drift of the pendulum from a straight line path and then used Foucault's sign law to calculate my latitude on Earth, matching the predictions of the globe, confirming the Coriolis force and the rotation of the Earth. So what you're saying, this thing stopped moving? Yes, as predicted. There's no reason why it should keep going. You know why that is?

Because the Earth's not moving, Craig! That's why the pendulum stopped, because the Earth is not moving. A rotating Earth doesn't say the pendulum should keep going on its own. That's not a claim of the globe. Oh, dude. Is it irrelevant? Is it another thing that's irrelevant for the globe theory? It's not the claim of the globe. We don't claim that should happen. Friction and gravity are a thing. The swinging's going to stop because energy is not infinite. So there's no motion on the Earth making the pendulum swing?

No, but what the motion on the Earth does make the pendulum do is drift from a straight-line path. And then at what point did the motion of the Earth stop? It never did, but the pendulum... No one ever said that the Earth rotating makes the pendulum move. The Earth rotating makes the pendulum swing drift off of a straight-line path. No, now you contradicted yourself. You said gravity pulls it down to the center. Then you also say it's making it drift.

You contradicted yourself, right? I didn't say gravity. I said Coriolis. Yeah, you contradicted yourself. It's like, so the thing's moving, but it's not moving. You're talking out both sides of your mouth. You're talking out both sides of your mouth.

Matthew, you're confusing gravity and Coriolis. The Coriolis force is applied to a moving object. As the pendulum swings backwards and forwards, there is a force applied to that pendulum laterally, which makes it drift off of its straight line path, which, as you can measure the angle of the drift, and then calculate your latitude on Earth via the Foucault's sign law.

The fact that the pendulum stops is just a fact of physics. The globe rotating doesn't say that it should keep going. That's not what the experiment is. You should probably learn what the experiment is instead of sounding stupid. So you say that physics says that the pendulum will stop moving? Yes, on a rotating globe. There's no reason it should keep going. Yeah, so you think the whole thousand miles per hour rotation is just irrelevant?

The Earth doesn't rotate at a thousand miles an hour. The Earth rotates at 0.000694 rpm. Okay, and what is that compared to miles per hour at the equator? At the equator, there is a tangential velocity of approximately 1,000 miles an hour. Faster than the speed of sound? No, not faster than the speed of sound. Sound is relative to its medium. What's the speed of sound? What's Mach 1?

What's the speed of sound in which material? What is the speed of sound? In which material? You're not answering the question. How fast is the speed of sound? In what material? Speed of sound is... Anything, anything. Let's just say the air we're in right now. How fast is that? The speed of sound in... Right, how fast is the speed of sound, Craig? We're having a really good lesson for you right now. How fast is the speed of sound?

You notice how I've tried to answer you four times and you keep just interrupting me? Yeah. Shut the fuck up. You can't answer, can you? I'm trying to every time. This is a reality check. All right, let him answer if that's what you really want. Let's let that happen. He speaks. All right, hold on. You're interrupting again, Matthew. He doesn't get the answer now. He doesn't get it. Do it for our audience if you can, Craig. No, no, no. He's lost that right to hear it. Sorry.

You're doing the right thing. I do what I can. JM21 says, Matthew, what two flat earthers would you hypothetically send on the next trip to Antarctica and trust their report? From what I've heard people talk about, nobody is trusting Will Duffy. This whole thing is cringe.

Me, would I go looking at who's involved? No, I wouldn't go. All right, just not talking about the Flat Earthers. I don't know of any Flat Earthers that would really want to be a part of that. Hold on, hold on. I don't think you're really engaging with JM's question. So what they're saying is like if you could go on a trip,

like a next trip or like a trip by some other person that you do trust, who would you trust to do that trip with? I don't trust these people. It's turning out that there's a lot of shills. It's weird, man. So there's no, there's, there's, I just to clarify, I'm like, I'm just trying to do this for the audience. There's no one that you would trust to,

Including if you booked your own ticket to do this. There's people I trust. But how this final experiment was handled, I can see why a lot of people were turned off by it. And in a weird way, flat earthers are turned off by coming on debate shows and stuff. That's another weird thing. I'm okay with it. I have a thick skin also.

but people look at this show and they're like wait a minute i don't want to be in that situation don't want to give any time to these people any power to these people so i mean i would not want to go final experiment and i don't know if anybody that would want to be a part of that well just go yourself then but uh matthew um you know you're broke so you probably couldn't do that right

Dude, you're just insulting a lot, man. It's like, yeah, dude, I cannot afford to just spend 35 grand. Okay. I mean, maybe you can, you know, God bless you. I can't. Next question. Slow John Doe says two thirds of the planet is water. No, it's not.

That's silly. Yeah, Earth's not a planet. I got you. Earth's not two-thirds water because Earth's not a planet. The surface of Earth is covered in about 70% water, but the Earth is not two-thirds water. But the Earth is definitely a rotating globe. I've measured it. Slow John Doe follows up and says, Star Wars Episode I to VI.

Okay. Wait, what? We'll go Star Wars Episode 1 to 6. So like, you know, Qui-Gon, Anakin era, you know, Darth Vader story. All right, so Star Wars Episode 1 to 6. Show many spherical planets in the galaxy far, far away. I believe in the Force. Do you? Ha ha ha ha ha.

Oh, there's no midichlorians in the galaxy, so we can't have the Force. The midichlorians appear to be specific to maybe that galaxy. In fact, I'm pretty sure they found the planet they went. Joke's on you, Craig. I am your father. All right, Yonderstone. Yeah, yeah, you don't even know what to do right now.

There must have been an accident with a contraceptive in a time machine. See, he doesn't even know what to say, guys. He's lost in the Star Wars references. It's not true. That's impossible. All right, it really would be. Yonderstone says... Ryan, you better stop. I've got the high ground. Oh, you saw memes. Oh, that's cute. Ken Matthew Steelman of Focalt's Pendulum predictions...

Well, I can't because sometimes there is a motor involved, sometimes there is not. So I'm not sure what they... The predictions are the same regardless of the motor, so could you please still man the predictions on the focal length? Yeah, I understand the question, but I have a problem with it because the globe theory says one thing, that the Earth is moving, but then in reality the pendulum always stops.

So in my mind, if the Earth was moving and it has anything to do with the pendulum's movement, the only thing that would stop the pendulum would be if the Earth was not moving. Now again, there's no reason in physics that something that is rotating on the Earth

with the Earth would start swinging randomly, or keep swinging. That's not the prediction. You know why that is? You know why that is, Craig? Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Because Earth's not moving. That's why. That's why physics says it won't happen. Matthew, hold on. Please continue. Matthew, the question, Matthew, was...

Can you strawman the predictions of the Falkholtz Pendulum? Honestly, I cannot because the globe theory says one thing. Reality shows us the pendulum stopping. If the globe theory was true, I think definitely the Falkholtz Pendulum would never stop moving.

You're just wrong. You're just saying something that is incorrect. No, I'm addressing it directly. I'm directly addressing the issue. No, you're not. I'm going to actually explain to you what the predictions of the Falkorst pendulum are now. Because the Earth is a globe rotating around an axis, the Earth has the largest latitude, and if you go north or south, the latitudes get smaller. Now, when there's a difference between

the tangential speed at one point and another, and an object moves from one of those to the other, it carries with it the momentum from the previous one and goes over an area with a different tangential velocity. Now in the case of the Falkorst pendulum, it is swinging backwards and forwards whilst attached to a pivot point

allowing the differences of the rotational speed of the Earth to move underneath it. And because you can do it at different latitudes, where there is different Coriolis forces applied, you can use the predicted drift of the pendulum off a straight line path to calculate your latitude on the Earth. And I did that with nothing but the drift angle of my pendulum. I calculated my latitude on Earth.

Did that in university. Wasn't hard. Proving that there is forces acting upon this that match the predictions of a rotating globe imparting Coriolis. There we go. Are you finished? I finished? Okay. So what happens when a plane flies directly south along a longitude line? What happens when a plane flies directly south on a longitude line?

directly south from the equator? On a longitude line. Say there's a plane flying directly south along a longitude line. What happens? It would have Coriolis forces applied to it. Unfortunately, the plane's engines are much bigger than the forces applied, so they're countered.

So it's irrelevant, again. Another thing, let's put that in the irrelevant jar. A plane flying directly south will not have the Earth beneath it.

So you're wrong, Greg. Greg, you are absolutely wrong. Because if a plane flies south along a longitude line, the Earth does not move beneath it. It doesn't.

Matthew, stop. Goodness me. When I'm talking, in the middle of a sentence, stop interrupting me. No, you used to hear what you were saying. I waited. Hold on, hold on, hold on. I waited. Hold on, hold on, hold on. All right, so just to clarify, Craig, did you hear anything that Matthew just said? Yes, but it's all irrelevant and completely wrong, which if he'd let me finish what I was saying, he would have understood. Now, a plane has an engine.

That creates force that is a lot bigger than the Coriolis force. When is the Coriolis force actually important? When you're doing things like firing bullets or artillery.

When you fire artillery, you have to take into account the rotation of the earth and Coriolis. It is included in the guides and the manuals for firing artillery. Snipers over a kilometre have to take Coriolis into account, because these things are ballistic, they do not have an external force like the engines of a plane.

Okay, are you done with that? Can I respond now? Okay, Craig, you didn't listen to anything I said. You didn't listen to anything I said. Hold on. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. You're both getting a chance to respond, so I'm going to let him respond, Craig. Okay, so a plane flying south along a longitude line, the Earth does not move beneath it.

Okay, so you're wrong there. I don't know how else to explain that. Okay. Let him finish his point. I unmuted you so you can respond when he's done. Directly south.

with allegedly the earth rotating beneath it, but it does not. So you're wrong there. And you mentioned military. You know, that's very funny, Craig, because as I know it, the United States military has not won a war in like 80 years.

I'll bet it's because they're accounting for curvature that's not there. No, no, stop. You're interrupting me. Hold on. No, it is fair if you're going to put out that point there about the military. I think it's fair to let him respond. I'm not going to put you on mute. Let's let Craig respond. No, no, let's let Craig respond to what you just said, and then we'll bounce back and forth. I don't want to put you on mute, so let's let him respond, please.

Matthew, you're insufferable to talk to, right? This is why I call you a douchebag. Can you respond to the point you just made about the military? Well, no, I'm going to respond to the previous thing that I was going to try and trying to respond to, but you wouldn't fucking shut up. Again, Coriolis is not the earth rotating under things. That's not what it is. You are straw manning what Coriolis is. Coriolis is the earth rotating independently to objects due to the difference in conservation.

momentum right so you don't even know what Coriolis is no one says it rotates underneath a plane the Coriolis forces applied are due to you moving from one area of tangential velocity to another whilst maintaining that momentum the forces are extremely small planes have big engines that make much bigger forces than Coriolis but things and so i did listen to you and responded directly and then i explained how

military artillery they have to take into account Coriolis when firing artillery because it is ballistic it's not power and if they don't take into hand Coriolis they miss their target okay all right you matter speak now sure thing I finished see how that worked you're finished okay yeah okay so your response the plane has big engines

And so somehow there's no thousand mile per hour rotation because the plane has big engines.

No, that's not why I said that. That's ridiculous. Hey, let me keep going really quick on this. Yeah. I'm going to respond. You just said something. I'm going to respond. There is no movement of the earth beneath it. There's none. Right? There's none. Okay? You're saying there is. You're saying it's irrelevant. And I'm countering. Let him put a bow on it. I'm countering saying it's not irrelevant. It's a big factor. That was your bow, Matt. All right, let's let him respond. All right, that's my bow.

Matthew, one thing at a time, okay? When you say something, let me respond, okay? Right. Again, the choreo's force that is applied is tiny. It's not a very strong force.

It's not a force because there's a thousand miles an hour at the equator. There's a force because as you go south, it becomes less. So as you go south, it's 990, 980, 970. But the thing that left the thousand maintains its momentum, conservation of momentum, whilst travelling into an area with a lower tangential velocity, so it drifts ahead of the Earth's rotation.

That's what the Coriolis is. Wait, wait, wait, wait. You say the Coriolis puts the plane in front of the Earth's rotation? Hello? Right. How come you just let him talk over me there? Why do I not get to finish what I'm saying? Because they're both talking over each other. Carry on. He's giving you a second. Right. I'll let you know when I'm done, dude. Okay? Please. Right. Keep going. Go for it.

Once again, the plane has engines that are way bigger than the forces imparted by Coriolis, okay? The force is very small. That's the difference of it. The force is tiny. The force that is applied as you go from one point to another is very, very small, right? So the fact that the plane has engines overtakes that force, right?

It's as simple as that. It's just, it's so cool. The other thing, well, it's bigger.

Right? So you just saying these things that you don't understand just makes you look dumb. Well, that's your opinion. But I mean, obviously, we're going to have to disagree. I have observable reality on my side. You got a theory of how things work. You got a theory that somehow the airplane's going to go in front of the Earth's rotation. Come on. That's called bollocks. That's called bollocks. Right. So...

- Oh my God, big engines, big engines. - Would you like me to respond? Right, so. - No, I wanna talk now. Big engines. What about the thousand mile per hour rotation? Big engines. It's ridiculous, man. - If you just excuse me, I might as well just leave if there's no point, if I'm not allowed to actually talk. You're muted, yeah.

My bad. Alright, let me just throw my... I'm going to be a bit serious here, Ryan. If he's just allowed to keep talking over me, I may as well just leave. He is on mute and I'm keeping an eye out for that. I'm also trying to keep an eye on our live chat as well, but...

Like I said, you guys are both cutting each other off quite a bit. I'm not going to cry poo-poo on either one of you. Let's be realistic. He's doing it way more. I do not get to finish a sentence and then he just waffles and constantly over-talks me. There's literally no point in being here if I'm not allowed to respond to the things that he says. If he says something, I should have the opportunity to talk about it. He's on mute right now, Craig. He is now, yeah. And I'm just getting a bit meta because it's been a bit annoying, frankly.

So, him just laughing about these things is just denial. Coriolis is a thing. It is measurable. It is detectable. It is testable. It is used in industry. You can measure it in the lab with a Compton generator. So, the fact that he doesn't understand these things doesn't give him the right to just laugh it off and say it's ridiculous. I mean...

I even kind of forgot what I was trying to respond to because he says something and then waffles and waffles and waffles without giving me a chance to respond. Well, I understand if you're frustrated and I... I'm going to ask politely. I'm going to ask very politely. Next time he interrupts me, can you please mute him so I can finish my point? I will do what I can to try to make sure that both of you are getting a chance to get your points across. Hey, how about this one? Hey, how about this one? Just mute the person that starts insulting.

And then warn him. Give him a yellow card. You've insulted you once. You're dumb. That's just a fact. Give him a yellow card. And if I start insulting Craig, be like, Matt, you've got a yellow card. If I call him names and stupid things like that, or vice versa, once Craig starts doing... The reason I insult you is because you're insulting... Give him a yellow card. Okay? Ryan, it's like a... Or whatever you do, like a warning. Like, dude, we're here to debate, not trash talk. All right, all right. Yeah, like...

Yeah, debating means that you have to let the other person talk. And if you don't let me talk, I'm going to insult you incessantly and call you a prick and a twat. Deal with it. That's very productive. All right. Tim Davidson says, Bill Nye is nothing more than a TV show host. Stop calling the equivalent of Captain Canaro. Canaru? A scientist. Kangaroo. Kangaroo?

Yeah, Captain Kangaroo. Oh, they just typoed it. Sorry. Well, hey, he's a communicator. He's been in the public eye for decades. We all know who he is. But I guess now that he spoke out about the Earth, they're just throwing him under the bus. So, I mean, think of it what you will.

All right. It doesn't seem like there's a whole lot of thoughts. Jumping is useless says for the flurf. How did the bowling ball and feather fall the same rate when using high speed cameras inside the vacuum chamber? Also, have you taken calculus or physics? OK. Yeah. Watch the thing about the bowling ball and the feather. It proved that density exists inside a vacuum because they fell at the same rate.

It proves there's no gravity because if gravity existed, the bowling ball would have more mass, therefore making it attracted more to the Earth than the feather, thus disproving the theory of gravity again. And, but as a way out for the Globers, that specific video with Brian Cox, it's an edited video, so it should not be considered evidence. But if you do consider it evidence, it's proof that gravity does not exist.

So I'm going to let you answer, but I will ask, like, are you good to keep going? I know we've been going for, you know, it's 4.20 now. I'm good to keep going as long as I'm actually allowed to respond to things without Matthew constantly just over-talking me. Well, I was going to say, we're heading on in five hours, so there's opportunity where there might be slippage, where there might be a little over-talking here and there, but you're over-talking me now. What's going on?

I know the point is, I'm just trying to make a point that my mic gets cut out all the time, right? Which means that I'm just over-talked and overpowered and I don't actually get to make my points and Matthew just gets the waffle. So I think it's actually appropriate that muting Matthew happens more because my mic just gets cut off and I don't get to talk.

Right? Nobody's talking right now while you're talking. So like I say, you've got a huge space right now. May I make a statement? No, no, no. Fuck that. Don't mute. The whole point was that I was going to mute. But I, like I say. Yeah.

So I would like to, I remembered what I was going to respond to. That's okay. My God, you guys go ahead. I'm just, I just want to, sorry. I didn't realize if you want to finish what you're saying before I carry on, but I don't want to forget the things that are in my head that I'm trying to respond to. That's the thing. I keep having to wait to respond and then I forget what I'm trying to say. Happens all the time. Go ahead.

Okay, so number one, what I was trying to say previously, and when he was going about, oh, it goes ahead of it. Yes, it does. That is the point. If you fire an artillery from the equator north,

it will drift ahead of Earth's rotation because of the conservation of momentum. That's what Coriolis predicts would happen, that it would go ahead of the Earth's rotation because the tangent of velocity it has as it leaves the Earth is faster than the one it goes over. So it goes ahead of the Earth's rotation. That's what Coriolis says will happen. As for gravity, he is wrong.

what it is showing with them falling at the same time is that the acceleration is the same, which is what gravity predicts. Now, because they have different masses, it means gravity imparts a different force on them to have the acceleration be the same. That force...

it can be classed as weight, which is why if the bowling ball hit your foot, it would hurt a lot, but the feather wouldn't, even if they were accelerating at the same time, because that bowling ball has more force behind it, because FG equals GM1M2 over R squared. That's it.

Yeah, let's let Matthew respond if you have any response. Okay, so Craig, the contradiction you present is that underneath an artillery shell being fired, the Earth moves, but somehow underneath a plane or helicopter...

the Earth does not move. Like, let's not use a helicopter. We already talked about that. A plane. So I'm still talking. Stop, dude. Just stop. Chill. So the plane flying, the Earth is not rotating under it. But...

You're suggesting an artillery round will have the earth move beneath it. I'm going to go ahead and just disagree with you there. I think that's bollocks. About the bowling ball and the feather, you're absolutely wrong. Hold on, Craig, please. They're falling at the same rate. It does not mean the feather's going to

hurt your foot or whatever. It's because the bowling ball is obviously heavier. My point is that you're not addressing is that the feather and the bowling ball falling at the same rate does not prove gravity. If gravity were real, the mass of the bowling ball is far more than the mass of the feather. So if gravity was real, the bowling ball should be falling faster because allegedly gravity

Gravity is greater the mass, the greater the force of attraction. Matter attracting matter. We're going to cut it off there, guys. We've got more questions coming in. Well, come on. No, no, no. There are things that maybe, like I say, other people don't feel can be addressed. That's why you've got your own space. I'm so sorry. We've got questions, and I'm getting hungry. My goodness. All right. Darkstar4400 says, Matthew,

Hold on. Let's just go through some of the ones that aren't going to give you so much substance. Left-handed Jedi says, the Earth is in fact a D20. Well, let's hope that it's rolling high. Let's... Hold on. Hold on. I'm hearing from the main... the main follow himself right now. What's going on? James just messaged. He was like...

He was like, I sent him a message earlier. I was like, I'm getting a little bit sleepy now. He's like, yeah, you should wrap it up. I am going to wrap it up. You know, even James is like, you know, if you're tired, bro, you should, you should wrap it up. But we got questions. I'm going to, I'm going to carry on. But I appreciate the concern there. I see pep talks is also in our live chat.

Also doing super long live streams. So if you're a sucker for punishment and you like having long streams on the internet and you're interested in politics and stuff like that, like I am, you might see somebody like Pep Talks streaming online. So he's hanging out on a live chat right now. Super cool to see you hanging out after we had a conversation a few nights ago.

But yeah, you know, regardless of what political spectrum you rely on, it's always fun to meet new people, especially other tenacious individuals that like doing long streams like this. Max V says, if there was a Jesus, he'd send you to hell for being a liar and an awful person, Matthew. Max V also follows up and says, here's some money, Ryan, now give me my Guinness.

All right. I'll give you my goodness. Also, ask Matthew if there's been any other reviews on his book other than his own. Well, they don't put reviews, but people are buying it. They're buying the moon landing hoax book more than the other one. But I think that the other one reinterpreting celestial phenomena is a better book. But that's just how it is.

You know, it's awesome, man. I'm glad to put it down and I want to be a part of a moon landing debate in the future.

Because I don't believe mankind set foot on the moon. I think that was a hoax just like this final experiment business All right, just the hoax for the people. We just need to pull forward because yeah, we got lots of super chats And yeah, your boys get tired. I swear slow Joe and John Doe. Yeah, it's almost two o'clock over here in Nova, Scotia The kids are gonna be up in a few hours. That's weird. I

Slow John Doe says, "If you travel straightly in any direction on Earth, you will eventually go full circle. Circle only works on a sphere. Try it." Thoughts on that?

Yeah, they can't do it. That's why. Because from my understanding, if the ball earth was real, Antarctica would be a major travel hub. All right. And military – there would be more military bases there, not just like outposts. You've already put out like three or four things there, Matthew, so I do want to give Craig a chance to engage with the question as well.

Yeah, I'm going to quickly finish what I was saying before because it's been on my mind and I haven't really listened to anything else. Oh, no. I'm sorry, but he got to finish it when it was a question for me. So I think that was fair. So I'm going to do this and I do apologize. Oh, man. It does not have engines. It cannot counter the force. Planes do.

Ballistic versus powered, Matthew, it's not hard. And once again, the acceleration is the same because Fg equals gm1 m2 over r squared. The force required for the acceleration is greater. That's why even if they accelerated at the same speed,

one of them wouldn't hurt if it hit your foot, but the other would because the different forces, because of the different masses, to keep the acceleration the same. That is the predictions of gravity. You cannot say that the predictions of gravity disprove gravity. That is exactly what we say gravity should do. I'm sorry, I literally haven't listened to anything else since then because that was all I wanted to say and I got caught. Oh my. Okay. I was going to say, that's...

You remind me of me sometimes there, Craig. I was going to say, with my ADHD, it's like somebody says one little thing and it's like that can just consume me for like two or three weeks. And it's like as soon as I see them, I'm like...

So, I mean, like, I'm not going to rag on you for holding on to that. That's totally fine. Jack Fetter says, this wasn't a debate. A debate requires facts. Matthew brought no facts. The flirts made no predictions, measured nothing, while the glurfs generated tons of data, video, wore GPS devices, and had glurfs admit a 24-hour sun. Had the flirts, sorry, admit a 24-hour sun. So...

I predicted that they were going to lie because I told you it was impossible. The 24-hour sun in Antarctica is impossible. So I predicted they were going to lie about it. All right. So I think our audience got that.

According to the 24-hour sign is 100% predicted. All right. NASA security forces, Matthew, if that spot where your brain is supposed to be filled, it was full of cotton. You wouldn't have enough for a Tampax for a peasant. You asked for it.

It's kind of funny. It's not so bad. That's pretty funny. If that spot where your brain is supposed to be filled was full of cotton, you wouldn't have enough for Tampax for a pissant. A pissant. Okay, I got you. Yeah, so you wouldn't be able to make... They're kind of going in a lot of directions with that one. Kind of like they've got to focus it. You know what I mean? Either way, yeah, I guess...

Yeah, no, that's funny. You guys, yeah, you want to keep coming in with those ones, that's totally fine. As long as they're unique.

I'm totally for it. Left-handed Jedi says, left-handed Jedi? Ooh, yeah, getting crazy. Oh, no, he's got the guns. You know, I can have guns too, but it's not because I've actually worked out. It's just because I have, like, zero body fat. You wait till you see me, Craig. You'll be like, that guy, that guy. I don't know how he puts so much beer in his body. I am enjoying the book more and showing muscles more.

NASA security force says, Matthew, you're so dumb. They had to burn down this. Yeah. We, well, we read that. Yeah. We heard that. Oh no. Did, oh, was this the second time? Whoa. Cry. Oh, well maybe I just, maybe I scrolled down too far. Sorry. All right. Yeah. Unique insults are fun. The grumpy old mechanic says, fluriffs actively working to destroy civilization. They deserve no respect. Oh,

All right, sort of a meta commentary. But Tim Davidson follows up and says, you are in the minority. You are not a minority. That's retarded. I'm a minority, but I'm not a minority. That's double speak. So they said, you are in the minority. You are not a minority. So I think what they're saying is that it's not –

See how it's like a delusional thing happening right now. I'm a minority, but I'm not a minority. No, no. You are a minority, but you are not in a minority. Do you see the hill? I mean, I know English is probably quite hard for you. Ridiculous. Hey, listen. Yeah, the hate speech has got to stop. I'm calling it. I'm calling it right now. The hate speech has to stop.

There's no hate speech. I'm calling it. It's got to stop. It has got to stop. That's what you've done. Dude, the hate... That's all it is. It's just hate speech. Okay, call it hate speech. I'm going to hate speech you. Deal with it. Man, that's... Are you a Nazi, dude? What...

That's weird, man. You're giving off weird vibes, Craig. All right, so Max V comes in and says, Matthew is a transphobe. He has no right to pretend to be offended by what Craig has said. Stop being such a hypocrite. I'm not afraid of any trans or gay people. I'm just saying, hey, if it's a man...

and uh i don't wouldn't think it's a woman jessica right if a man says hi my name is jessica no i might i was just saying i might agree with you but i will i do have to push back and say that that if something's hydrophobic it just means that it's adverse to so are you are you adverse to trans people

I don't hate any of the people. I don't hate gays, trans, none of that. I mean, I just don't agree with them, but I mean, I don't hate them. That's, that's a waste of my time. My, my energy. Yeah.

No worries. Just like James has his thing about ad hom where he's like, oh, when people say ad hom, it just riles him because it's sometimes ill-applied. Similarly for me when I hear the word phobic applied and I'm like, it's not right. That's not actually how we should be describing this. So is Craig flat earth phobic? I am averse to flat earth. Hey, Matthew, how is life being a Muslim, by the way?

I'm not Muslim. I'm a Christian. I've always been a Christian. Are you telling me you didn't like being misgendered there? Muslim? No, I was just, some people think I'm Muslim because of my last name and how I look. I don't hate people for misunderstanding. So you're a Hindu, right? I may look like them, but I don't identify as that. Sorry, are you a Buddhist? Is that right? You're a Buddhist, yeah? Yeah.

I might. If they were to analyze some of my ideas, it might be considered... I'm more of a Christian. I love the Bible. I love Jesus. I love Jesus. You're Jewish, aren't you? I've been told that, but I'm not. I'm a Christian. Are you sure? No, I'm pretty sure you're Jewish, right? If you say so. Yeah. Is it nice, you know, being mislabeled? Does that feel good? I don't care.

I mean people could say what they want but it's up to me how I handle what people say to me or about me. It's up to me. Okay so it's absolutely fine to call you a Muslim then? No worries. I mean it's not going to ruin my day. I mean you'd be another thing you're incorrect about but it's not going to ruin my day. You don't like it. You don't think I should mislabel you then?

I don't care how you label me because I don't really consider the words you say to be important. Nice get out, Cole. It's just too much hate speech. It's like you want me to respect your words? Nice get out, Cole, in the argument there. I see how you lost that. Good job. All right. Could you repeat that, please?

Pistina the first says, what evidence were you presented with that convinced you of the flat Earth that the globe model can't explain? Also, Ryan, mute Matt Moore. Okay.

Maybe I don't know. Pistina, like this is the first time I've seen you in the super chat. Like, I don't know what kind of sway you think you have over me. Unless you want to tell me that you're secretly my wife from the bedroom, like trying to give me advice, which I have not heard from for the duration of this evening, which means I haven't been that loud. You know, sometimes she comes out and she's like, you're yelling, but I haven't heard that. So I mean, unless you're that person,

I'm going to do what I'm going to do. So what evidence were you presented with that convinced you of Flat Earth with the globe model that the globe model couldn't explain? Sorry.

Oh, okay. For me, okay, I was always a glober as a kid. I think I talked about this with you guys. I love Star Trek more than Star Wars. I like Star Wars, but I love Star Trek. I remember when Next Generation came out. I love Next Generation, you know? Going through school, I always loved astronomy. You know, I always did. I could tell you all these little facts about the globe theory, right? All right, just to hone in on the questions. Time just keeps going, right? Time keeps going, but what it was for me was when I noticed...

that the earth was not moving when I realized the earth was not moving for me. It wasn't the flatness of the earth. I mean, it was not the flatness. It was that the earth was not moving.

So basically you woke up one day and decided, I'm going to be a fucking moron. Okay, cool. No, that's not what I said. If you paid attention to what I said, I was always a glober. I was always a glober. I'm sorry. I repeated the words that you exactly said. You woke up one day and decided, I'm going to be a fucking moron. That's what you told us. All right.

No, you're misrepresenting my words. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. We got more questions. You're not being helpful right now. Either one of you, you're not really getting into anything great right now. I will say, though, they rebuilt the exit just out here, and I was driving along, and I swear I was just gliding along. I was like...

Oh man, they know how to make a road around here in Nova Scotia lately. Now give it a year, give it a year, and it's going to be absolute crap because it's going to flex because of our crazy weather. But you know, right now, I was just gliding. It was great. Jesus A. Birk Martinez says, Matthew, do you deny having a brain? No direct evidence, MRI scans, or CGI. Would you believe a doctor if they found something concerning or just deny it?

Was that like multiple questions or was that one question? No, they asked me one question. I think the crux of it is they said if you had an MRI scan and a doctor said there's something wrong with your brain, would you accept the scan? I think they're making a broader commentary about the photos, but go ahead.

Yeah, that's not something like looking at fake videos online or, you know, that would be something personal that I would talk about with my doctor. They would show me the scans. I might feel something like a pressure in my head and want to get it checked out. So that I would look at that. I would be like, what is the doctor telling me? And if they're actually corroborating that there is some pain in my head, there's something in there. Yes, I would consider it because that would be real. Right.

You'd believe them then. Cool. Yeah. Hold on. Not a however. We don't want to follow up. We got more questions. SilverPhoenixRising says, Ryan, your body language says you're cool. Does it? Does it not say I'm going crazy? No, I'm fine, honestly.

I feel like I say, I feel like there's so much that I can experience and learn here that you just can't get anywhere else. This is a unique experience and I'm just very thankful that I can partake. This is, like I say, you can't go to a school and learn how to be in this situation, that's for sure. Slow John Doe says, but is the earth fat? Yeah, it's fat, so P-H-O-T.

Okay. Yeah, earth is fat. Yeah, P-H-A-T, fat. I like that. Earth's got it going on. Slow John Doe says, can we all just agree? Hold on, we got another question. Slow John Doe says, can we just all agree that religious dogma is bad? So is dogma bad? Religious dogmas? I think, personally, I don't think Jesus likes religions.

That's my own opinion. I don't think Jesus likes religions, people just going through the motions. You see it as more of a way of life and that sort of thing? Relationship with God through Christ. Matthew doesn't like you. He told me personally. All right. Next question coming in says, from Slow John Doe says, is it possible to prevent a Mad Max dystopia? All over the place now.

Well, see, I've got a question about Mad Max, right? They never show outside Australia. I like to think that in the world of Mad Max, everything outside of Australia is just completely normal. That's funny, dude. That's pretty funny. I like that one. That's just Australia is like that. Everyone's like, you know what? We give up. Just leave them to what they're doing. Well, when did they stop becoming a prison colony? Like, when did that happen?

Never. They still are, aren't they? They never repealed that or just pretended it never happened because it might still be like a prison colony considering the stuff the government was doing to the people. You're right there, Ryan. Me? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I was just responding to something real quick. Right. No worries. Why, did I look super focused for a second there? Did I have my real bitch face on for a second? I was like – is it –

is the enemy seizure i need to check that he's there yeah no no i was just i was just probably focusing it's all good all right so uh and nasa security force says matthew tell us what tangential velocity is tangential velocity i probably call it something else i get kind of confused on all the terminology but i probably call it something else just like how i described our observational field or doma perspective it's like i'm using terms

It's like not the official technical term. So what is tangential velocity, Matthew? Does that mean like they think the Earth is spinning or what? I don't know. Dude, I'm asking the question. Like what? I spent 20 minutes explaining to you the difference between angular and tangential velocity and why it applies to Coriolis. Oh, fake stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The Earth doesn't spin underneath a plane, but it does underneath artillery shells. Got it. Make-believe.

So when the teacher gave out Bunsen burners and stuff at class, were you always the one that was like, oh, there's none left? And they'd give you a glue stick or something instead? No, they took those out. When I was in high school, there was a lot of problems with people misusing it. So they kind of like, it was weird. I bet there was a lot of problems for you misusing it. Anyway, next question. No, dude, that's an assumption you make. And it's just another, like you're trying to assassinate my character. And I don't like that. Yeah, I'm here to deal with it.

All right, I agree with you here. We're going to ask the next question. Mavo says, Matt, you don't understand how gravity makes things attract. It doesn't pull things. It warps space-time itself. Craig, explain how LIGO works. All right, so two questions. All right, yeah, I broke it up badly. I'm sorry. You don't understand how gravity makes things attract. It doesn't pull things. It warps space-time itself. Go ahead there, Matt. Yeah, so their proof of that is another theory.

that's the problem theories aren't proof yeah theories aren't proof let's try to blast through craig explain how ligo works uh so ligo is a massive linear interferometer that

It's so sensitive with a laser inside, it can detect ripples in space-time. If you have two extremely large masses out in space, like two neutron stars, massively dense neutron stars, orbit each other really fast and they collide. As they collide and coalesce, that will affect space-time and send out ripples, like ripples on a pond.

Those ripples can be detected by the difference in time the light takes to go from one end of LIGO to the other, allowing us to detect ripples in space-time that were created

millions of light years away. All right. Tim Davidson says, exactly, regarding to Bill Nye, a communicator, talker, TV host, not a scientist. All right. I think we established that. Slo John Doe says, question for both. And Ryan, do you believe in the Force? I've tried. It doesn't work. I made a point in camera. All right.

Yeah, I don't believe in Star Wars, man. I don't believe in any of that. But I mean, they could try to make some argument that the Force is like Holy Spirit, but I don't buy that. Yeah, and I'll have to say that I usually don't insert anything that doesn't belong where it shouldn't. I'll just leave it at that. Yeah, I generally keep that rule in life as well. I don't like to insert things where they shouldn't be.

Luke Nebels says the greater the mass, the greater the attraction, but also the greater the force required to move it. There is why that's why everything falls at the same speed. Yeah.

Yeah, but that's over his head. He wouldn't understand it. I mean, literally, you can just explain that with Fg equals dm1m2 over r squared. That describes exactly what they just said. But, you know, when God was giving out brains, Matthew thought he said trains, and that's for a slow snowboard. Yeah, that shit sucks. Actually, if gravity were true, they'd be able to demonstrate it, but they just can't. There's nothing but cope about gravity.

all right this is a fun one uh earlier one darkstar 4400 says matthew why does the screen on your cell phone reorient itself when you turn it because it's a setting what kind of question is that they're like they're not doing that great right now with the chats all right next one let's see oh another one from dark so that i saved it for later and you passed over my question grumble grumble i did not pass over your question dark star

There we go. You know what? I feel strange now. Nico Richards says, Matt, why did you measure that Earth is not rotating?

Excuse me. Why did I measure that? It was not how did you measure the earth is? Oh, you can compare you do a comparative analysis of all the things that are in the sky and anything that's on the earth that can move like for example tree branches or like someone anything bodies of water clouds in the sky insects birds flying all these things show that the earth is not moving and

Everything else is moving. The lights in the sky are moving. You know, clouds are moving. Not the earth. Guys, when you're on a train going forward 200 miles an hour, you're not moving. Bad example. Try standing on top of a train when that happens. Jack Fetter. Hold on. We got another question. Jack Fetter says, Matt wakes up in a jet traveling 450 miles per hour. How doesn't he feel movements? So is flight now a hoax? Pressurized cabin.

Just like I said, on top of the jet. What would happen if someone was sitting on top of a jet as it's flying? Versus what would happen inside a pressurized cabin. Not analogous because Earth has no friction outside of it. All right. Last one coming in from Pistina. Let's see how I give the extra emphasis on the syllable of Pistina. The first. Extra piss. All right. Matt says,

Jesus fucking Christ! Evidence. I asked what evidence convinced you, not some random unsupported thought about a subject you don't understand or that you saw on YouTube convinced you. Oh, I don't understand what they mean. Like, evidence, I mean, you could just compare the globe theory to itself and see the contradictions.

So I don't know what they're trying to say, but just for me, yeah, I noticed the Earth wasn't moving. And I was like, wow. And then you start asking, wow, how fast allegedly is this? Then you start processing the numbers into like understandable speeds rather than some whatever definitions they want to hide behind. Like, oh, the Earth, you go in front of the Earth's rotation, which is very funny. I'm going to remember that one. Yeah.

Slojando says God is a metaphor for the Force. Not sure. I can't argue with that. It's like opinion. And then Slojando follows up and says logic is the language of reality. Actually, maths is, to be fair. Maths describes reality way better than logic does. I disagree exactly with that one. Numbers can be manipulated, but logic really can't be manipulated.

I'd agree with you, Matthew, but then we'd both be morons.

Instead of just yourself? Ah! Gotcha! I gave you a zinger. All right. So I've left the same poll up. I've left the same poll up for the duration of the debate. Somebody asked if I'd do a poll for how I handled this debate. What would you do, Mr. John, to handle a debate between these two? You know, there's only so much you can do, right?

Yeah, I don't make it easy for you, I know. But I've been streaming for like 10 hours, man. Give me a break. Well, I'm not giving you any breaks. I was going to say, just because you've been streaming long doesn't mean you don't have to follow the rules. And if somebody doesn't follow the rules, especially with somebody who is usually as easygoing as myself, I think that usually plays out in how they, like I say, generally interact. But no hard feelings.

I'm not apologizing to Matthew because he's just a pile of shit. But I apologize to you, Frank, because I like you. Oh, yeah. No, no, I know. No, no, it's all good. I think everybody likes everybody here except for me, Craig. No, I don't like Matthew. Craig doesn't like Matthew. We know that. Okay, all right. Well, Craig, it's because you've lost every debate we've ever done. And I'm exposing a lot about you. We're doing the best. All right. I'll take things that have never happened for 500, please, Regis. Okay. So was the final experiment a hoax?

So right now we have pulling, I'll go from the lowest to the highest. So 8% says, I don't know. I have smooth brain. They don't know. That's 8%. 10% said, grab my Scooby snacks. So, you know, they're looking for a hoax. 18% says, absolutely a hoax. And then 65% says, it was legit. All right. So,

Oh, we are back with you fellas. Yeah, we are back with you fellas. You hear me? Yes, we hear you. Yeah. That's great. I'm glad that you missed me. Feeling could almost be mutual. If only, if only, no, I'm kidding. I missed you guys dearly. I was crying. I was crying. It's over here. Ball in my eyes. I was like, yeah, I miss Matt and Craig.

Anyway, yeah, no, you make my life complete, guys. All right. Let's see here. Sorry, guys. We had a minor disconnect. Oh, Ryan the Mod, you are a total cutie. Do you have a GF or BF or marry? Yeah, I've been married for 13 years. Nice. You wouldn't believe it, I imagine. 17 years old? What? How can you be married for 13 years? You're like 17 years old. Oh, no. I turned 31 the other day.

Yeah, no, I've been with the same lady since I was 18. Nice. Yeah, we got our two children, boy and girl, and that's it. That's good. That's where I stopped, boy and girl, done. Yeah, I've been with them. Well, we've been together for 20 years this September. Wow, congratulations. That's our 17th anniversary in April. I'm taking her to Amsterdam. Amsterdam!

But now it's one of those moments you look at your wife and you're just like, so who's going to go to the doctor? And she's just like, I pushed out two babies, mother. All right. All right. All right. All right. I become the human condom. Well, it becomes it becomes so hard, you know, for me. I swear. Yeah. What a hard life I'm living.

Oh, no. Anyway, no, that's my little joke. Anyway, yeah, Jeff Healy, great guitar player. Thank you, NASA Security Force. But, yeah, no, two kids, good enough for Rye. Yeah, they're super smart. Yeah, I see you guys that we dropped. I'm sorry about that. Pistina the first says, Evidence, what don't you understand? Yeah, I think that's for Craig. I think that's for Craig.

Now the word evidence in general is not something that flat earthers get. I have done over 1,030 flat earth debates. I've seen this much flat earth evidence. You'd probably say that, wouldn't you? Well yeah, I've noticed. I've looked. I've asked several times. Like I kept asking you dumbass to present evidence and you just went... Oh yeah, I can see it. Oh, I can tell. Wow, you've done such great research, Craig.

Oh yeah, I do. I actually do research, yes. Wow. You and... You're not human. I'm not human. You're a Nazi. You're a fucking Nazi, Craig. That's the insult I want to give you. You're a fucking Nazi. You're not human. You're like a human-shaped pile of poop. That's the insult I want to give you. You degraded me, my family, other flat earthers, and you say I'm not a human? You're a fucking Nazi. No, you're not.

You're a human shaped pile of poo. No. You say I'm not worth as a human? You're a fucking Nazi. You have zero worth as a human. I got these guys back for what? What did I get you guys back for? Hold on. So you went first. You went first, Matthew. I'm going to give you the first minute to close it out. FDFE, we got to get out of here. We're near on the five hours. We have gone for five hours. We are intense people. You know what else is intense?

Yeah, that's right. That's right. My dad joked at the end. All right, so Matt went first, so I'll give you the first minute on the floor to talk about the final experiment, what we talked about tonight, your thoughts and feelings, and where we're going to go from here. So go ahead there, Craig.

Right, yes, so, the final experiment was clearly real. It was recorded, documented, there's terabytes of data, video, none of it's fake, it's just flatographers being dumb. Did Witsit lie? Yeah, because Witsit's a fucking idiot. Was there a green screen? No, people just don't understand what chroma key is.

You guys may ask yourself why I treat flatographers the way I do. It's because they're clowns. They're morons. They're a waste of humanity. They spread lies and misinformation to vulnerable people and think that they're smart when they're not. They are the bottom of the barrel. They are the internet's pet rock.

They are below contempt because they push stupidity and lies onto people that fall for it. Matthew here is scum. I know he's going to cry and complain about me calling him names. But let's be clear, I never insulted his mother. I just pointed out the fact that his mother would have hated him because if I had a child like Matthew, I'd fucking hate them as well.

Please make sure you subscribe to my channel and come to New Jersey and see me debate Andrew Wilson on February the 15th. Tickets on sale now. Early bird prices until February the 1st.

Oh, yeah, you're right on it. Make sure, yeah, if you're hanging out on the FTFE. Oh, see, I'm so tired I can't even Canadian. If you're hanging out on the FTFE channel that you're checking out the tickets and if you can contribute to the crowdfund to help us out financially to support the event, that would be great. And yes...

Pay me over. It's all gone now. Yeah, yeah. The money has been spent, guys. You know, he's paid for my ticket. He's paid for Craig's ticket. You know, James is just... Yeah, we need your help just even for the... The flight is enough to put us over. So it's, like I say, all the help we can get. It's great. Evan said, I believe Ryan could walk on water while playing the solo to Freebird. I think you're right. I probably could if I really wanted to. I'd just glide right across, right? Yeah. Yeah.

I could tell you right now is D G D and then bend the F. All right, bend the F on the on the 16th fret That's how you do it. All right

Let's hand it over to you, Matthew. You got one minute on the floor. One minute. Okay, I'll say it quick. But yeah, Craig, that's terrible. You said you would treat one of your children the way you treat me if they were a flat earther. That's terrible, man. That's like if there was someone who was like gay and they come out to their parents and the parents treat them like shit and disown them. So please do not treat your kids bad. Love your family. Give your mom a hug.

Give your mom two hugs. As far as the final experiment, I just, by just looking at everything, my personal feeling, I don't even think they set foot in Antarctica. I don't believe any of these contradicting videos where sometimes there's shadows, sometimes there's not. You know, there's this invisible hill that there seems to be, you know, no record of. And I want to call the final experiment Duffy's face.

failure because it's just like aries failure they tried to prove the globe and approve the earth is flat uh final experiment tried to prove the earth was the globe they proved they had to fake it so that's duffy's failure and i thank modern day debate thank you guys ryan you did a great job love both you guys craig love you too man

All right. We're going to close this out and I'm just going to head over here right quick and just remind you all. Yes. Debate con five is coming up. We got the crowd fund linked in the description. Make sure that you check it out. No one can see you doing your wind up toy for your middle finger right now, Craig. So you may as well just put it away. I'm on my other screen, but your audience can see it, I suppose. So that's not no buddy.

All right. So DebateCon 5 is coming up. We're going to have a political debate day and then a religious atheism day. It's going to be a whack-a-doodle of fun. It's going to be amazing. I'm going to be there. Craig's going to be there, as you know. Witsa Gitsit, Andrew Wilson, Alex Stein, NotSoIridite,

Who else? Sean Fitzgerald is coming out again. What a great debate Sean Fitzgerald had at the last debate. Khan, it was fire guys. So definitely tune in for that one as well. I can't get over the lineup that we have here. It's going to be fantastic.

Of course, you're going to see Craig coming out to debate against Andrew Wilson's secular humanism versus Christian ethics, which has a better foundation. That's going to be a lot of wackadoodle of fun. Dr. Lawrence Krauss versus inspiring philosophy, Mike Jones, and then Alex O'Connor versus David Wood. All just big names. We're doing what we can to bring you the best of the best.

And in the meantime, we appreciate the support. And yeah, hopefully we'll see you out here at Modern Day Debate again for some more juicy debates. But I'm just going to turn off all these windows. And there we go. Over to DebateCon 5. We'll cue the music and we're going to get our speakers out of here. Have a great night, everybody.

This could be free, but this insanity bends you right.

Running in circles now. For some, then that can't be found. And I bet that you hit the. Sing a tune that's true. I'll be beside. Who's the. Pulled you down. Pushed through the. Cut the strings before. From tears of blood. Regrets of laughter. Turn around and. All those. It's a drop. Shelter. Confined. Thoughts of suicide. Taken down by the. Running in circles.

Hey, football fans. BetMGM is giving you the chance to win up to $250,000 in bonus bets. It's all part of BetMGM's Longest Touchdown Jackpot, where you'll be able to split the grand prize with anyone else who bet on the longest touchdown of the week. Log in to your BetMGM account today and opt into the promo. Then place an anytime touchdown wager of $10 or more on the player of your choice up to one player per game.

If your player scores the longest touchdown of the week, you'll win a share of the $250K. BetMGM and GameSense remind you to play responsibly. See BetMGM.com for terms. 21 plus only. This U.S. promotional offer is not available in Mississippi, New York, Nevada, Ontario, or Puerto Rico. Gambling problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER. Available in the U.S. For New York, call 877-8-HOPE-NY or text HOPE-NY-467369. For Arizona, 1-800-NEXT-STEP. For Massachusetts, 1-800-327-5050.

Iowa 1-800-BETS-OFF for Puerto Rico 1-800-981-0023, subject to eligibility requirements. Rewards are unrestricted bonus dollars that expire in seven days in partnership with Kansas Crossing Casino and Hotel.

If you're a maintenance supervisor for a commercial property, you've had to deal with everything from leaky faucets to flickering light bulbs. But nothing's worse than that ancient boiler that's lived in the building since the day it was built 50 years ago. It's enough to make anyone lose their cool. That's where Grainger comes in. With industrial-grade products and dependable, fast delivery, Grainger can help with any challenge, from worn-out components to everyday necessities. Call, clickgrainger.com, or just stop by. Grainger, for the ones who get it done.