#747 - Eric Weinstein - Why Does The Modern World Make No Sense?
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You got your PHD from harvard. How do you feel given the most recent fallout?

These open questions are incredible. it's. It's amazing. It's amazing that he came to this and as a person I know studying. And however, IT said, I wonder if we are the last generation who will continue to see harvard as this shining city on a hill and that you know that .

somebody who .

who's there now, I think it's a disGrace. And we can talk about IT, which is the fascinating part that we are effectively losing our society because we're afraid to say certain things, because we're being made afraid to say certain things.

What do you mean?

Well, okay, so that is a harvard alarm. You get the harvard magazine. And this this thing is incredible because it's just always a harvard people promoting other harvard people in the sort of P. R, the .

appetizer magazine, yeah.

the P R fest. And I think I remember that the article introducing clouding gay was entitled as scholars and I knew from the get go that this was not going to go well because .

you know I don't think .

people understand what harvard is and how IT functions and why it's different. Um harvard is really the fusion of two separate institutions. One is about brilliance and one is about power.

And so you can think about this as the sharpest minds and the sharpest deltos. And the sharp mine crowd gets tons of resources because the sharp elbow crowd make sure that power is used to perpetuate harford's place of privilege. And the sharp mine crowd contributes um prestige to the sharp pellew crowd.

And so by viral of the fat that you can't d conflict the sharp minds and the sharp bellows, harvard continues to have this very special place. Now what is the special place? Why isn't just a university like any other?

Um I think sort of two or three principle reasons, one of which is that harvard is sort of an extension of the U S. Government, the government department which is sort of harvard s version of policy. I is kind of an extension of the state department at times.

The economics department is upsetting economic policy in many ways for the united states. And above all, there is this concept that in every field there's usually one institution that sets the narrative. So for example, in journalism, the new york times is different than all other newspapers and newborn ans, because of its focus on what we sometimes hear of as narrative driven journalism.

No, people now talk a lot more about narrative. But fifteen years ago, I don't think this was common knowledge that the editorial room at the new york times is a place where people thought about what the long arks of stories were, and you figured out what the art of the story was before the facts came in. So, for example, Hillary is inevitable, was a long arc in narrative driven journalism.

IT wasn't true, but all the information that came in when Hillary was running against dotal trump um was fed through this prism of the inevitability of hilary in the same way harvard practices narrative driven academics IT tells you what is happening, what the grand arks are and those, just like the twenty sixteen election, are very often untrue. And so that's a way in which harvard serves power. IT IT IT brings people in who are brilliant, and then IT takes the ones of those who are willing to play ball with the engines of power and IT IT endres into the story telling mode in which harvard sets the tone for everyone.

Um so when you lose harvard, it's very important and very different. But the last thing and I would say that really distinguish harvard is IT harvard. There's the open part of harvard.

the classrooms.

and there's the close part of harvard that you can't see IT all and it's sort of a system of start chAmbers. And I don't think people who have not tangled with harvard would would comprehend how much of what harvard gets done. IT gets done behind closed doors because they can't be done in the open.

But like, do you mean i'll .

give you A A crazy exam? Um I was not allowed to attend my own thesis defense. 那 原来 an academic by training， if you tell this to an academic, they don't even understand what you're saying.

They think that you're making a joke or you must not have ever stood something or maybe you were sick that day and you had to resume in, or who knows what. But I don't mean that at all. I mean, when I try to get my P.

H, D, the harvard math department instituted a rule that said you could not attend your own theist defense. You could not determine who would present your thesis, your dissertation. So basically what happened is um if you had an adviser, which almost everyone did, your adviser presented your thesis is behind closed doors. Nobodies ever heard of this in the history of academics .

with this how clothing gay got away with?

No, I don't know. Clouding gay was taken down for two different reasons. One reason he was taken down was for not having crisper statements about the uniformity of application of rules of codes of contact.

When I came to jew is students. Um so that's one thing. Whether you have a free speech policy or maybe you have a um code of conduct where you say we can't tolerate a certain kinds of speech, whatever that is.

The certainly question about the differential application of that on the f of different groups. So that was one of the ways that he got into. The other way he got into trouble was the vulnerability of plagiarism in a weak academic record.

and. You know, let me just say this early, and you'll come, everyone, i'll come to IT late. Plages ism is the tip of the ice port of a attribution boying, where effectively you have these people who determine who did what in the narrative driven, story telling, that is academic, and what what papers get cited, which papers don't. What discoveries are named for certain people is determined largely by a tiny number of institutions, harvard permanent.

And so harvard just plays games morning, noon and night with writing stories that put harvard at the center, in particular individuals um at the top whether or not those individuals have earned or not and what's hard for me is most people are now think, okay, harvard is just full of IT but IT isn't it's half full of IT and half the best place on earth to do anything important. And though that tension is not, is what's not recognize now power has to take a back seat to academics and to discovery into brilliance. If this game is to be maintained, you can't constantly just exercise power and tell stories. So in in my history with this university, i've tried to figure out why does IT behave so differently than every other institution of research?

Is D, E, I the bugging man that everyone is worried about?

You know i'm. So hard do to even get into .

IT our universities .

one world war two. In large measure, I, me, if you need codes broken, if you need new weapons developed, you're supposed to have seal team six of the human mind that you can call on, and that supposed to be M. I, T.

Caltech, princeton, harvard. It's a very small number of super prestigious universities. Um part of the problem is if you think about have say this exact if you think about university is akin to a an exotic car.

A lot of people buy him a clarin or a lamborne or for I because they like the styling status. But the soul of all of those cars is racing, right? And the people who buy the cars for the racing sometimes are really annoyed by the fact that the cars are status symbols. And that's what a research university is to me.

I'm interested in the racing and other people are interested because IT, it's sort of what you do to show that you've got a two million dollar bonus from your investment banking job uh, if you don't raise that, I don't know what you're doing there and i'd prefer that you'd leave um the purpose of the university is not teaching. Purpose of a great university is training and research. And we can't afford to lose that.

I don't think people have any idea how important IT is to be able to call on your own nations top academics. When you need the truth, you need something done, you need help. And so whatever IT is that is the nature of our universities that's turning this into a nightly b where the whole trick is to get past the bouncer for the cool kids has to be stopped.

But what does IT say that the x president of harvard is someone whose academic bond fighters were found out to be? Pledge zed, largely.

i'm trying to say the baLance between the sharp elbows and the sharp minds is wildly off. And and why is that? Nobody wants to say what everybody is thinking, which is this person is not fit to be the president of harvard university.

And why is that? Because there's gonna get called a name. This was made all about race. Oh, what you can't tolerate scholarship of this quality from a black female. You started, I was even questioning this before but now you're saying a scholar, scholar me thinks that as protest too .

much there's a quote from how a Jacobson that said, I hope clouding gay Marks the start of people who know nothing, losing their jobs.

Look, we need to bring back exclusion. We're talking way too much about inclusion. Inclusion and exclusion are too have of a Normal process clotting. Gay needed be excluded from that office, not included. Now, if you told me that kindness arise was the president of harvard, she's black, she's female, and I don't agree with her political, but I don't think many people would have a qualification issue with kindness arrest. Or let's say, James gates is a black man, the distinguish physicists.

This has to do with people coming .

from weaker subjects, particularly activist subjects, subjects that didn't exist before the late sixties, early seventies, when all of these things were created you know to an extent when you had know if you recall the the pictures of the wild straight holic cornell with the black students emerging with weapons um you know there was a revolutionary further at the end of the sixties, early seventies, and you have people creating women studies, you know, black studies, african american studies and these these departments were basically born of activism more than scholarship.

Are not saying no scholarship gets done there, but scholarship and activism is essentially fused and many of us think activism is great. Just don't do IT next to our physics and math and computer science and music departments you know if what you're really there to do is to ignore certain things and essentially others are not search for the truth. Um that's not an ignoble pursuit.

It's just that's not what scholarship is. Scholarship is about understanding things in getting them right. And we've gone on a terrible turn but you know just considered. I think your listeners might enjoy googling the string um cook cook something up to ease him out. That was a phrase that was used um internally in documents within harvard when um a kenyon was ejected from the harvard economics .

apart back .

in the sixties. And what had really happened is the sky had had passed all of his exams. He was fully qualified as working on his dissertation to become a harvard PH DNA economics and the university I think decided that I didn't like an african man sleeping with White women in in america.

And he got rid of him, even though he was in good standing. That the only reason we know about that is that turned out to be bad. Obama senior.

So harvard conspired hundred percent with the state department to destroy the career of barack obama, senior. And that's how however IT work in the start chAmbers IT cooks, what does he do? IT cooks things up.

IT cooks up stories IT cooks up attribution IT gives people credit for things that they didn't do first to takes credit away from other people. Um I was there in the mid nineties when he destroyed my wife's career um through something the star chAmber called the harvard jobs uh market meeting. And all the economists go into a close room.

They locked the door. They say who's got a good student and my wife was the student of a nobel award winner in economics, and he had done something which was to bring an entirely new kind of mathematics into economic theory, to replace something called the marginal revolution, a new form of differential calculus called gates there. And a guy named dal dorgan into recently died, said, no.

So even though a nobel level economist was promoting her and saying, this is great stuff, you should go anywhere in the country. A woman of color from the developing world, an. Old White guy just said no.

And you know, in a second, a SHE heard position in the world is rewarded in the pile. And why were they doing this? Because they wanted to fix the CPI. And I don't mean fix as incurred, I mean fix as in fixing a baseball game um because the CPI is used transfer wealth.

what CPI the .

consumer Price index. And the reason it's important is that mostly what the government does after its military is entitlements, social security payments, medicare payments and those are index to inflation and wait in which IT takes in money is through taxes, and those tax bracket are index to inflation. So it's very funny.

Everybody focuses on like central banking in the but the buyer of labor statistics maintains the statistics that transfers billions and billions of dollars. And if the CPI is overstated, uh, IT pays out a lot of money and takes in very little money. And if it's if you can get IT to be understated, then you get to take in much more money. You have to pay old and sick people. And that's what the harvard department was doing.

This is a single figure that mediates everything squeeze through. How funny.

And we were doing, the collaboration was showing the right mathematical framework to calculate the CPI.

But that would have allowed less.

Fucker y IT would have allowed less to use the technical term soon. So but a bit the point being that the harvard jobs market meeting inside of the harvard economics s department is a star chAmber the way the uh immigration um status of obama's father was a star chAmber as was the way which my PHD was over and over again. Harvard closes its doors and IT makes stuff up.

This sounds unsavory ble as somebody so IT sounds like IT sounds like we've got the people leading IT have gotten through some combination of diversity, equity, inclusion, epithets, m game playing, harsh elbows.

Seems like the page is tired to get named. Daniel s free is one of the greatest mathematicians alive in my area. Um dana, I might disagree about string theory.

We can have scholarly disagreements. Ments just had lunch with him in Austin, texas. Um that guys a scholar through and through.

I can disagree with them. I can fight with him. I can, I can have my differences. I would support him one hundred percent as a scholar to take over a, as a, as a proposed to dean if they were interested. There is no shortage of absolutely fantastic people at harvard.

but and unable, unwilling to play the political games that are required unless they prepared to file their elbows down to a shop point.

Well, this is what bitter action is doing. So confusing. I just I have the feeling, I don't know this guy at all don't have positive, negative.

I think have cross passed with at .

something you would think there are various people who I don't cross passed with for whatever reason um I don't even think we follow each other. Maybe I follow him, but I don't think he follows me um. I think that the problem is, is that a lot of these people don't know how the research game works.

They think about this in terms of the harvard business school, the law school, the undergraduate alumni t ork. They don't see the part of harvard that actually produces the mistake, you know, the analog of the racing for the exotic car. And I worry that the right thing to do right now is, to a point, a imaginary research oriented person in a super rigorous field that doesn't even have to be stem like music is an incredibly rigorous field.

But what we need right now is rigour. We don't need another person from the social sciences at this moment. We need somebody to reestablish that.

Harvard is an intolerant place that IT has the highest possible standards. It's unabashedly allegest. It's una abashedly american, and IT cannot live with the E I.

D E I is a parachutists ation of our best hopes and dreams. And we have to recognize the D. E. I has to be destroyed. So that goals like diversity and getting the bright people into the room are not sacrificed on the alter of mediocre and .

lack of ethics. It's interesting that at places like yale, they had made some changes to the ways that grades and diversity account for admissions, but they didn't get rid of legacy admissions. Kind of tells you everything that you need to know about what's being protected?

No, I don't think he does.

Is this not another way to ensure that the people just to ensure that power is is held in the people who already have IT.

but very soon that things isn't going to be worth for very much.

I don't think that people can. I think this is the same as looking at wine. Marvel are going downhill.

Yeah, see more.

There are a lot of movies coming out to the men. I think the most recent star wars director openly said, I enjoy making movies that .

make men feel uncomfortable .

to john star wars.

yeah.

Maybe one of the most male dominated audience movies that I can think of. Yes.

it's self destruct. So what i'm trying to say is, is that you can say we're going to keep things open for legacy admissions, right? But very soon, you're not gonna to be associated.

I mean, already yell as mismanaged its research university three years, I made a very bad decision not to go hard on on sciences and stem and focused, in my opinion, too much on on softer fields, you know. So what happens when harvard is no longer that prestigious? If people start laughing at harvard, what good is going to be that you can get your kid in?

I don't disagree, but I think people are so out of touch. The people who .

are empower .

are unable or unwilling to see just how. Just how quickly the stock Price is pluming. I don't think they're able to see this thinking about IT, especially using the the marble example.

Again, some of the things are coming out of disney. You have a quantifiable figure. What was the opening weekend of the box office? You know exactly where this is.

There are fewer places to hide when IT comes to that. Here's the number. What did you cost? What did you make opening weekend? You have projections and you have targets presumably that you want to hit if that number doesn't cause people to think maybe we don't need another narrative about an old female cast that is Better than the .

men without becoming any chance is, you know, if you look at mike hopkins, work on the cavern variant in the mathematics department, that's like opening, opening weekends. Statistics, man, great stuff happens at harvard had make no mistake about harvard is an amazing and horrible place and we're going to all now focus on how dumb is and how horrible IT is. And like then you not seeing the tragedy.

Unite seeing look. I didn't have an adviser, and one of the only people you'll ever meet with the P. H. D. That had no adviser, but the guy who saved me was named rawl bot.

And rawl bot discovered something that so important called about periodicity that if I could convey e to you, your mind would be, you think the empty was for children. Has to do with the fact that there are only four systems of numbers that have particular property in. One of those sets of numbers spins amErica around with the other three within eight fold sort of a symmetry.

Who knew that this thing was even possible? Just it's an incredible fact about the world um associate him with harvard. That's there's no there's no one of the world who can tell me that bot period city wasn't one of the most important things that happened in the twenty years century.

And have a person like that, you know, just feet from john tate. I could go on on about all the real things that happened in harvard, what we need right now. But I would love to run for president of harvard.

If cloudy gay can be president harvard, so can I. And what we need is somebody who has been wrong by harvard. You need somebody who has not been on this kind of escalator to power, who constantly shown love by the system. There are all sorts of people that represent what I call black sheep powar. You've got White chee, power red and black sheep power red and black sheep wer is no less important, but it's the people who are not loved by the system, who don't know when to shut up, the people who will take a stand, who who will zig when everyone else. That.

why would that be useful?

Because we've got to urge the university of the things that don't work, and it's gonna ugly. It's gonna be unpleasant. It's gonna a civil war on the faculty.

I was learning about idea that abalon paradox, one of my, one of my favorite ideas from last year. The ability paradox is a situation in which a group makes a decision that is contrary to the desires of the group's members because each member assumes the others approve of IT. That explains how a number of accurate individuals can become idiots when they get together, kind of like emperors and new clothes.

An acquittance invite you to his wedding despite not wanting you there, because he thinks you want to attend. You attend despite not wanting to, because you think he wanted you there. At a business meeting, someone suggest an idea that he thinks the others will like recruiting a transfer.

Luca is the face of the brand. Each member has misgivings about this, but assumes the others will consider transport bic if they speak out. So I want to prove of the idea despite no one liking .

IT ably paradoxes yeah um I like IT IT has a lot to do a timocrates ory of preference falsification. I think that that's none exactly how IT happens. Most of the way these things work is that you're afraid to speak ker like, let's predict what's going to be said when this devise sour grapes grifter charleton.

Eric doesn't like women or IT doesn't like black people. Oh, such snowy, what does he ever done? You know, we know what every action brings about in terms of its response .

and that .

kind of why we don't speak up. It's just not worth that. There is horrible people that follow you around looking for you to say anything like I don't I don't know if she's qualify.

They say, IT, do we get our knives out? That thing has to be driven out of the university. We can have these people.

It's not just in the university.

alright. But i'm saying the universe are special because if everyone is going to take power later passes through them, you can't afford to lose them. You can't afford to lose your news media. You can afford to lose your universities. You can't afford to lose your political parties.

Three for three at the moment. That's right.

yeah.

But look, it's worth fighting for so you know, i'll comme a bunch of names we'll try to face my wikipedia try. That's what you'll .

what you make of the most release of estein documents.

You tell me. Oh.

man, I mean, surprising to see Stephen hawking on there in some ways. I wouldn't know what jeffrey estein would want with Stephen hawking.

What he was assuming is so terrible about Stephen hawking being in these documents.

I didn't say that .

I was terrible. I just like that answer. That's .

interesting. I'm surprised that jeffrey estein would have an interest in Stephen hawking beyond him being somebody that is well known, influential, powerful and potentially leverage able, which is that makes me think what he took an interest in physics. And I don't know why, and you do, at least you have an idea about why he took an interest in physics.

Jeffery.

But I do not know why, I don't know why every esteem is interested in physics.

What would you guess?

Does some special mathematics there that allows him to, or the people that he is associated with, to Better be able to predict things, to be able to use IT in some sort of away around financial markets, around new technology that's emerging, to just be able to see the direction that the future of technology is moving in perhaps.

Been more about this than me. One.

well, I OK I go back to this conference city. Hell, I think it's two thousand and six, two thousand and four called confronting gravity. So he holds a conference.

I don't think he holds up on this island, on his island. I think he holds us on, think Thomas maybe. And this is entirely constant with an earlier meeting that he had with me, where he wanted to know about what I was doing with mathematical physics and. I have to say.

Look why gravity. Gravity is in some sense about the fabric of space time. And if there are things about the fabric of space time that you can unlock that are not contained in general relativity, nor in the standard model, how much power do you think is in that you saw what the neutron did to unlock the strong force?

Um you can take out a city with a little bit of physics. I'm going to turn this a right because we had a great dynamic. The last time I I want to see you play with ideas to.

Tell me what you imagine might be the power beyond the standard model in general relativity, if we can already destroy all of humanity? Uh, i'll be IT with some complications. Have to engineer a bomb. What do you think might be on the other side of the next grade?

Discoveries in this gets into sipi and speculation around probably fit the next marvel series. They should use this as the, as the tag line, I would guess, things to do with being able to move across space.

Kay, one holds time.

If the wrong other higher dimensions, if that allows you to access, if the media theory holds, if that allows you to access different universities in to move between them.

IT might be limitless power. IT could be limitless power in the form of energy, could be limitless power in the form of travel. Um what if, what if IT allows you to control neutrino in a new way?

I feel like people don't think about neutrinos. It's very hard to send a particle through planet earth on skate. The neutrals do IT right.

So in some sense, if you were a sovereignties, wouldn't you be focused on physics? Have me little. Here's the thing that I just don't understand. I would be totally who isn't interested in this stuff.

You have to be crazy .

to do what we're doing with physics. We're running physics into the ground. Physics is you'll go to a marvel movie about some guy trying to collect rings or stones to get infinite power over the universe.

That's physics. That's not stones. When you see somebody talking about limitless power, think physics.

Don't think money. Think physics. Physics is the source of infinite power.

And is Geoffrey abstinent sufficiently versed in physics to know that he needs to be at the forefront of the know?

But this is what we dealt with last time to kids. If you haven't seen last time episode, I don't think IT was Jeffery epstein. I don't understand why we're so focused on this man. Why are we focused on on whatever created him like this is really weird. We can't think take half of all the time you spend thinking about jeffrey eps and talking about jeffrey eps, everybody talking about and spend half of that time saying what we what do we think about whoever was behind Jeffery. Whatever was behind Geoffrey epistle is what I think cared about gravity, cared about space time, cared about physics.

And you get to use this supposed financier as a wedge to be able to start to break this open.

Well, this is the thing. If i'm working, you know, there's a picture of lisa randle at this conference. Nobodies worried about the sexual deprivation of lisa handle.

This is stupid. This render an amazing physicist. He was interested in physics. Geoffrey obtain, whatever he represented, cared about physics.

So i'm making moral less nervous.

Well, you have to appreciate, I have no idea yeah why my country, the united states of america, doesn't care about physics anymore. IT cancelled the S S. C. In one hundred and ninety three super superconducting super collider. It's that the farm on string theory, which is completely not worked down, we're now this is the forty, so we're now in two thousand and twenty four.

This is the fifth year anniversary of the Greenswards anomaly cancellation, which basically handed the keys to the liquor cabinet of physics are over the street years and they've been a drunk on these stories about the first superstring revolution, the second superstring revolution, all these things that we're going to do, the theory of everything. And they just had a panel discussion of the word science festival, with brian Green moderating between David growth, Edward written and and strong. And this thing is delusional. why?

I don't know.

Any physicists I know call me me up and saying, you're writer. I can't believe how crazy this is because they're pretending that they didn't flush forty years down the tubes, driving physics into a ditch.

Can you explain in an accessible way what the problem is with string theory?

sure. IT .

doesn't .

work.

We can go a tiny bit more that level advancement .

a little bit plain IT .

to me as a first two yeah a high I K golden.

um. The problem is string theory. Is IT sociology not its equations .

the .

sociology of a string theorist um. Do you mind if I play you a recording?

absolutely. yeah. yes. yeah. The .

following clip is from podcast, which probably has the highest I Q guests of any podcast on planet earth called the universe speaks in numbers. Nobody listens to this podcast, but this this is Edward written and. He is a talking about is being asked about strength theory by grand far melo. One among several candidate or the private. Would you see the status of that framework in the landscape of mathematics?

privity. Where with my progress has been in these three firework for a lot of interesting things have discovered, I say interesting things you have tempted and to gravity.

There are no .

other routes. There are just words that is the world's leading theoretical physicist opinion about shriner. Can you imagine anything less scientific coming out of the mouth of ed wood written?

And and by the way.

this is the world's scariest individual to go up against. And i've had IT. I've just absolutely had IT.

Can you imagine being a scientist and saying there are no other routes when ask, are you are attempted by other routes there? There are only words, no other routes. I I don't even know how to respond to that.

What's the difference between dogmatism and conviction?

You tell me fifth.

The guy sounds like he convinced why you so sure that you shouldn't.

I'm convinced the geometry .

unity is correct.

And I am open to being wrong. I am open to. Ethical colleagues talking to me about their misgivings. This is an unethical position to hold.

What's wrong with string theory?

I mean, to say that the same thing again. First of all, if you if you ask me technically what's wrong with that, I would say you that, uh, let's say the explanation for three generations of matter based on an index of six on a collab and folded every point based in time is not the right explanation. You're not going to be able to handle that.

I understand that. So we can have that conversation. 嗯， the problem is you have a group of people who don't feel that they have to listen anything else.

And if anything else happens, then they say, we will just call that string theory you're thinking. So heads you win and tails I lose. And and that science, these people need remedial ethical training in science. I'm convinced my own theory. I have to be open minded that i'm wrong.

Their theories have had all of the money, all of the minds, all of the years, the conferences, everything that praise ed, the P, R articles you name for forty years straight and it's done what? It's destroyed. Physics, you can't have this ethos.

Look, there's no one more accomplished in quantum field theory in a wood wood. He doesn't belong at the lee in the lead position in the sights. He is doing math fine.

But you can't you can't be a leading physicists and say there are no other routes. There are no. Your dog doesn't hunt. We're not allowed to see other dogs. I don't understand your dogs been dead in the backyard for years and you're still talking about how you know you're gonna take a hiking.

So this been in forty years. Basically no progress in string theory, no meaningful.

no useful internal to string theory.

But functionally outside of that.

I mean, in that's forty years of strength, in fifty years, the standard model of particle theory hasn't moved. There are no Young people who've ever walked on the moon, and there are no Young theoretical physicists who have contributed to our picture of the universe in a way that's been confirmed.

If it's the case that the independence of string theory aunt accurate, if it's also the case that for such a long time there hasn't been any progress that's been made, why are so many people continuing to clean to .

the of that man.

that one guy? Oh yeah, he's the tired that pulling the strings. He's the string.

They no, everybody has gone up against the sky, in essence, has lost. He's terrifying.

When you mean when you say gl up against to what you mean.

you'll bring up a point .

um what you might .

have .

an argument with him .

untill solve the problem have been working on for two years in an hour. If IT takes them that long, you have to .

understand .

how vertical human achievement can be. And this guy is at the very top of the human mind. I mean.

he's just he's utterly .

amazing and he's completely scientifically outside of his ethical boundaries with statements like this. You you can't do that to science. Even Edward written is .

not so greater .

a mathematician that he's allowed to take out the little. And you know if you ask me like about my own theory. In in terms of like what has happened to me talk, trying to talk about for forty years, more or less, the field says what? What does that think? What does that say? What was that feedback? Because everyone was afraid of him.

You have to understand how dominant a single individual can be in order to understand this effect. There was a great string theory named joe pulled in ski. And joe one said to me, iraq, you talk a lot about string theory, but i'm not sure IT exists sometimes.

I think we're just running subroutines for ed. That's how dominant this personal that even one of the top figures in the string theory movement guy who basically introduced brain theory above strings. His point was we don't even quite know what we're doing. IT just tells us to do things and it's time for ed written to actually face the other theories that are out there and stop drawing off about how it's only just words outside. It's it's almost historically funny but that .

ever happened. Do you think .

that what where does he? Hey, ed, if you're out there, one have a chat, love to. What happen?

why?

Because it's a spell. Because he's casting a spell. Because if he actually had to face a real critic, somebody was some knowledge of what the history of string theory was.

He would have to take into account all sorts of things. He doesn't have to take into account when appears on the stage of colleague. He is a right not to face unethical people.

He is a right not to face people who are badly informed or not trained in the subject. That's fun, but I don't see these people as having gone up against their technical critics. Fireman was a huge critic of string theory.

Sheldon glasha, who won in about prize for symmetry breaking, was a critic of string theory. There are string theory who have defected, like then freeze. There's no shortage of very competent people who have said, what the hell is going on? Why are we doing? This is madness. I've never heard at written face one of these, pete.

when I think about somebody like brand Green.

Sure, he doesn't strike .

me as the sort of guy that needs to bow at the feet of this person. Brown Greens s go up a successful career books hosting these events on. And so for is everybody dancing to the tune of some super smart, tyrannical string theorist leader team.

Look, I I don't have to say this right because I am obviously a critic. I everywhere this person, this is very painful for me to say, you know, if you, if you ask me of all the people's minds on planet earth that I I reveal, the wonder that is, ed whittle's brain is beyond almost anything I can communicate. At least when you have a bad token, or or or and an arata or picasso or modify on, you can see what IT is that they're doing.

This guy has done so much for us and he's done so much to take science out of physics. And it's it's almost impossible to talk about the the profound nature of his contribution and the enormity of the destruction is cost. Know it's like he gave us everything, he took away everything.

Because you see colum field theory under ed written with help from particularly microtiter and gram single was revealed to be just math. We thought quana field theory was about the physical universe, but it's much more general than that. And ed written is largely responsible for showing us what quantified theory really is.

But in so doing, he also divorced IT for mathematics. And so what advice ten is, he effectively showed us that what we thought was the physical universe was just like calcuations, just a framework. But, you know, keep in mind that my view of IT is if the universe is reversible, the only way to get there through the study of physics concern and. These guys are a guarding the exit. To me, a previous generation .

throw a .

lit match into a room filled with carousin. And this is the generation that's blocking the exit. So you know, teller and olam gave us the hydrogen bomb.

It's a geometer and a particle. There's and I would expect that edwyn was taking responsibility for trying to figure whether the Cosmos are reversible and whether we can leave earth. Is there any way we can get access to more energy?

Is there any way that we can reveal space? Time cannot be fundamental so that maybe we can do something that would be confused with going faster than light. Maybe we can reach the stars through method that we can't understand using what we have.

Why is IT written guarding the eggs? There are other series. They're been theories for forty years. I met you in your office in one thousand and eighty four eighty five in princeton on a snowy day, and you threw me out of your office for what reason?

Because I started talking to you about the fact that I didn't think you are right about three generations for for particle theory. You claimed that um colusa cline theory couldn't work um because of charity considerations. You were wrong.

You have one claims to why there three generations I have another. Do you want to meet? Let's do .

nothing happen.

They don't show up. How long can the world physics be captured by idea that no meaningful progress is made inside of before more people say it's time to look at something else?

Um that's an interesting question. The problem is that there isn't going to be much of physics left when this group dies. IT just retired.

I believe in the institute for advanced dy because he has a kept age of seventy and he was born in one nine hundred and fifty one. no. There isn't much physics left to.

People have forgotten what the original problems are. He swapped out one set of problems that we all agreed. Why is nature left? right. A symmetric wire, the three copies of matter, rather than only one.

Why the particular set of symmetries that generate the strong week and electron magnetic forces, all of these problems that are all about the physical world in which we live. And he swapped them out for different problems, like how do we quantize gravity? As if that's definitely what we have to do. Those were sort of mathematical analytic problems rather than physical problems. And so as a result, to generations of physicists have been brainwashed into not caring about the physical world and be they're totally devoted to various abstraction, is a mathematic.

How long can the legacy of that continue for?

Well, how do you rebuild theoretical physics when almost nobody y's doing therefore, al physics? And I don't mean, look, there's some technical vivo words that if I don't say them, my colleagues will go crazy. But in the field of fundamental physics beyond general relativity, in the standard model, there isn't much of a field left.

You go on a random day to the archive where people post papers. And the papers aren't really about charmed quarks or new or realistic models of the universe. They're about weird ETC topics in mathematics. And that has everything to do with transition between one thousand and eighty, actually eighty three through eighty six, eighty seven, where the field lost its mine.

Rediscovering the problems of physics can't be as hard as discovering the problems .

of physics if you're not paid to work on physics. The way they've got this is by their they've got their hands wrap around our our wallets. We can afford to do physics, IT says.

If there's a force that says if you want to work on the world's most important problem, we're going to make you poor. We're going to discrete you. It's almost like there's a force field trying to get us not to unlock this power.

And i've been very curious about why that is. And nobody like with all the rich people in the world, nobody y's funding the stuff at the level that IT needs to be funded. This is the most important funding priority on. Because othe wise are all sharing one atmosphere with a bunch of videos in really powerful toys.

Unless we can somehow channel the technology of into dimensional space beings.

please never say these words.

Hey, let the into dimension into dimensional space beings. David gash didn't say extra. Australia said into dimensions.

yes, but an David talk. And this is not fear to David rush. David rush knows that is a physics B.

A. He knows he's not A P, H, D. He's repeating things that have been said to him.

He had the presence of mind to try to give an example of what into dimensions might mean in a used holography. And so as a result, everyone's making me, David gross says, holographic inter dimensional beings. This is absurd. It's not fair to David crush. I'm telling you, I mean, we can call David up right now, and I promise you he's not going to back this madness and stupidity.

So what's going on with this most recent update about aliens? One, well, I saw this. Frustration that law make is hard because they were getting compartmentalise ed, if you don't ask precisely the right person, precisely the right question in precisely the right, right way, you're not allowed to get an answer.

You don't get an answer, but you couldn't even IT look if you don't know what a romani and manifold is, if you don't know what a determinant line bungle is, there's no way you can ask intelligent questions about alien. How did they get here? There are no scientists.

There are no real scientists in the story that does anybody find that at all? Oh, you even the the situation with David crush is fantastic tic. He goes in to A A hearing.

He says a bunch of completely batch crazy stuff, right? Can we agree on that? right? And then weeks later, some representatives go to a skiff and they say, well, IT certainly seems like IT confirmed some of what brush has been telling us.

And you're thinking, okay, so you've separated the confirmation, which you did abstractly because I was inside of a skip, but you can only talk to people who've emerged from the skifts who are willing to save ague things and the crazy claims. Now what is this really all about, which nobody knows? Now what i've been saying for about four years is there's way more to the story than I had understood.

I thought u. fs. Were total nonsense. I thought this was a waste of time, and I was wrong. I was just wrong. Why would you mean?

In what ways do you wrong? Why you now convinced in a way that you went previously?

Well, I didn't know that. Not convinced that U. F. Hoes like shiny medical craft are real at all. What I didn't know is that there almost certainly are large programs inside the federal government that are denied that are labeled UFO. Don't tell anyone now whether those programs contain anything about non human intelligence or aliens or spacecraft or anything like that is anyone's guess because I haven't seen anything. However, the programs almost certainly exist.

What gives you you that impression .

talking to four million people who tell stunningly similar stories? Others, there is a weird. And the weird is tremendous circumstantial evidence that these programs exist, have existed for a long time and have involved extraordinary, in particular, physicists way back in the day. And on the other hand, there is no credible proof that there are craft or aliens or anything .

like how do you square that circle? How would you hit. Look, the coordination problem of all of these people is immense.

There's that. But secrets have been kept more, much more effectively than people imagine.

Simon.

I don't want to. No bit. I mean that there are organizations that you cannot google, there are organizations that have clubhouses and members that you cannot go. So I know .

the secrets .

are durable. What we don't know is what these secrets are about. See.

but let's create .

decision try, which is there are little Green men, chinese spacecrafts on the kind of cool stuff and they aren't. Kay, if there aren't.

what's the best explanation .

for whether so much energy and activity and so many claims around this? And I would guess, and then again, this is, this is a guess, and not a particularly good one, that there was a clearing house program for everything under the sun if we needed to retrieve somebody else's plain behind enemy lines. We had A U, F, O.

Cover story. If we were trying at new area space equipment, we had A U fo cover story um if we were trying to get our arrivals to misspend their precious treasure on weaponry and strategic countermeasures, we had a UFO cover story um if we were up to no good, we had A U of cover story. Whatever all these things, I imagine there was a kitchen sink approach and that's what UFO s are all about. It's about a black S A P special access programme as waved. And bigger is IT possibly be that basically was a one size fits all, uh, story for all .

in the extra terrestrial scape. good.

yeah. Next escape. Good program .

right now .

whenever that is. If you imagine that that leg of the dissidents ary is real, it's it's all very funny because now you're like all these people have taken IT seriously. But IT was the russians in the chinese and the iranians were supposed to take in x day on the U.

F. O. You know, this is like people are going to blow this beautiful cover story that we've created for everything.

That's one possible. Another possibility is that were on the other leg, the decision to, and that we have no programing for IT. And so everything about IT seems impossible.

IT would sweet you said about physics. Physics is science fiction. The physics that you just learned is almost always about science fiction.

But if you have multiple time dimensions in, people can circle around in time. And if you find out about them, they can circle back to the point where you did know. And you have a neural zed or built into the successor to space.

Is that real? I don't know. All I know is that physics will always blow your mind. We'll always do something that seems impossible. And that's that's why it's the cool lest subject around. No, I don't know what's going on, but I can tell you that the circumstantial evidence that there's been a program that has .

been long running and .

involve very high level people, it's almost impossible to imagine that this is fact. There's a one thousand nine seventy one australian document from the australian intelligence service that has been declassified, made public, which clears up all sorts of mysteries about what was going on with physics in the one thousand nine hundred and fifties and sixties and IT names names that says that freeman dyson, john archibald wheeler, pascal e. Jordan and nazi um all of these .

people .

were working on antigravity and the only reason to be working on andy gravity was as that there was reason to think that something had not beyond understanding relativity .

was mostly we learned about .

physics from colliding yeah it's like breaking rocks together. You're you smash two rocks and then maybe you'll see little Spark and you'll study that except we do IT with protons. This would be like some different thing where there is a more advanced species in your looking at its machinery to try to figure out what what science does IT know that you're done.

How much truth do you think isn't that? We've seen rooms on the internet of leaps forward in technology throughout the mid nineteen hundreds that people suggested was due to reverse engineering of something that had been discovered. Do you think that the technology movements that we made through the one hundred hundreds were so created?

I'm not clever enough to solve the U. F, O puzzle. There's almost no topic where I can't generate multiple explanations. This is the only topic i've ever meet where I can't generate a single explanation for what the health going on. Nothing I can think up make sense.

Look, i'm very focused on this because if if there are aliens here, I I might be the only guy who knows how they're here.

I.

Don't think it's practical to reverse the Cosmos using general relativity in the standard month, you can use time violation. You can hope for warm holes. You can imagine generation ship.

There's a whole bunch of stupid stuff that people talk about when they talk about international dimensions, travel, all this kind of nonsense. why? Because they can see the night sky and I can get there.

So you think, okay, in terms of the science that i've seen carl sagan discussing on Cosmos with new degress tyson, how would I get to a distant planet using the science? I now and then you have to sort of do IT with masking tape and you know chicken wire, whatever whatever that is um doesn't really appeal to me. Then I hear if they're here using standard physics.

Now i've tried to make a list of everyone on earth who has a distinct theory of physics francy. You know, Julian barbour has a theory, or Stephen wolf, m. Has a theory, or Peter, what has a theory? So I go through all of these other theories.

And to the best of mind knowledge, nobody else does that. Like we've stopped talking to each other, we stop thinking about. So in the world of theories about how something might be here, there are very few theories of the universe.

And why is that? It's because the constraints are so profound. There's no room to move, to imagine, to let in human creativity takeover. We're in a straight jacket that is so tight nobody can think. And we're there because our theories are so good.

The standard model in .

general relativity are sounding theories, but they're also a straight jacket. So i'm very interested in. If you're obama, just return rabbit and kill IT. Yeah, exactly.

Yeah i'm very interested in this topic specifically because the universe is either reversible artizan and if IT is, it's not surprising than anyone's here. And if IT isn't, we die here in short order. So it's a hugely can't central question. But there are almost no no theories I can't imagine might look current part of i'm almost reluctant to do podcasting or because I don't understand why we're behaving the way we're behaving.

What you mean when .

you say we no one on planet earth is behaving rationally with respect to physics in U. F, S. You have a claim that is being heard the highest levels in congress that we've lost control of our space.

You either clear this thing up in the afternoon. Or you call in seal teen six. Yeah, that's a really .

good point. How is that, that we've got such an outlandish claim, which is being. Accepted.

not necessarily .

accepted, which is being received without the justified fan fer like either this is completely crazy and needs to be thrown out or this is absolutely wild and we need to do something about IT. Why is IT? Why is IT the case? That's a really great point. That's a really great point. Why is IT the case that but this has made either IT hasn't made more fan fair in terms of people mobilizing ing governments in such or hasn't made way more criticism in terms that have been thrown out?

I don't know why is the diffuse proposal from the eco healthy al lions not get properly adjudicated scientifically? I the eco health alliance is this group run by azechi gist, who got fifty million dollars in the defense department to help a lab in china work on corona virus and making them more humanized. I'd be like, we should be able to adjudicate.

Did we start cover? But we can. All of these very simple things .

we don't do. The cate .

look beer of labor's statistics claims that the consumer Price index is based on a cost of living measure. I claim that's not true. In order for that to be true, you have to take in consumer preference data and you claim that you don't work with consumer preference data.

I an either wider or and wrong, it's usually consequently in terms of billions. I claimed that the bureau's abo statistics is completely lying that is working on a cost of living framework, and that the academic responsible for that, I named iran, uh, histories of superlative index numbers as a hogwash, doesn't work based on homelessness ferenci. That takes an afternoon to adjudicate.

I claim there is no labor shortage of scientists and engineers despite claims that it's been going on since the fifties because large market economies don't have labor shortages. That's a feature of centrally planned economies. There is no possible way that's that's a four minute discussion.

We are just lying, lying, lying. Lying is the substrate of our society. We're lying about physics.

We're lying about economics relying about finance. We're lying about corona virus and biological research. We're lying about a monetary aggregates.

How many different hills' waging a warn?

There's only one.

It's called managed reality.

This is all managed reality.

What's that?

And I have have this image of a of a tanker that is flipped over on a freeway and there's a bodies scattered. People are bleeding in the tankers on fire. and.

There's a cup, maybe a special forces guy with an automatic web says nothing to see here, folks move along, nothing to see. There's like a severed hand on the pavement and you've got a tanker IT says, you know, danger hazard. And this is IT about to blow and tell me what's going on.

Nothing to see here, folks. Well then nothing to see here, folks, is managed reality. We all know what that is. Policeman is actually saying, act as if there is nothing to see here. And mova law.

it's an .

instruction to pretend. So we are being given instructions right now to pretend on everything, pretend that you don't understand the CPI, eric, okay. Pretend that you don't understand immigration and labor market, erik, okay.

Pretend that you don't understand physics, pretend that you don't understand players, pretend you don't understand biology and gender. Well, it's one hill, but it's enforced pretending by a class of people that thinks that IT isn't a position to tell us all how to think at this level. Now I don't disagree that that policeman has a right to say, move along folks. Nothing to see.

There's a very clear reason why that person is same that but when you start to say that to your experts, to the hazmat team was telling you you don't put out an electrical fire with water when you are telling nothing to see to the mother who sees her child on the pavement, when you when you're constantly telling everybody who has mistaken something, and particularly everybody who has expertise, something, you're shirt in, your grifter, you're a fake. You're a fragile like, shut up, just shut up. There's one hill. Are you the only person on that hill out?

Because as you've said here, there's a bunch of different the C, P, I stuff to do with physics, the stuff to do with the staying funding on you.

There are lots of people on the hill. The problem is that you have to visit all of these fields to know it's in that field too. I was complaining about narrative driven journalism before people were talking about narrative at the same levels at if, if you go back to my written output or speaking output, you'll find them.

In two thousand eleven, I was talking about professional restrooms. And k fab. Is the model front underlying reality that this is what's going on in our society? It's because I visited all these different fields.

I've been an immigration expert. We spent the middle of the one hundred and ninety in washington try and understand why we pass the immigration act of one thousand and ninety. I've been a finance guy.

Have the first paper that I know of on mortgage back securities in the danger they posed the world financial system from two thousand and one, two thousand and two rose, ranging the alarm on the chinese using our universities as a sbi program. H, I said that the Hillary was not inevitable, that trump was in much Better position to win because of timocrates preference falsification. I said this thing that physics, you're all out of your mind. I switched my field from physics to mathematics because I could see what was going to happen. I think that what you're trying to ask me is, are you the only person who's visited all of these fields to see the pattern?

And why you at the center of all of these stories?

Well, more narcissi. This is the personal and uncomfortable part. I think I didn't understand that my principal means of trying to figure out where i'm supposed to allocate my efforts is wrong.

I just detect .

that something doesn't make any sense. Like very you know, autism is not necessarily a bad thing. I think it's a .

competitive advantage in the right though.

there's a sweet spot. There's a sweet spot of artist. I think i'm beyond the sweet spot.

I think that what happens is, is that I become convinced that somebody y's wrong. And I started trying to tell them about the fact that they're wrong. And you know, as the joke goes, I thought I would be greeted as liberators.

But in fact, you're actually causing a huge problem. So you know, the beer of labor statistics, they're sitting duck. Obviously, what they're doing is completely ridiculous.

But if I say that and everybody y's agreed to keep their mouth ut about IT, that sound like they don't know what i'm saying sounds like they don't know that i'm mind is that we've all agreed to act as if i'm insatiable. I keep doing is I keep using the same stupid algorithms. M saying, hey, that thing about UFO doesn't make sense.

Or we could clear that this up in an afternoon. Or hey, guys, what if we rolled up our sleeves and just fixed the problem? Many problems are owned.

A problem is owned. You know, does the person who rebuild homes want fewer homes to burn down? No, their businesses building homes after they burn down.

doesn't. Doesn't arms maker, one or more peaceful world? Does a health care system want nutrition to decrease the number of patients who walk through their doors?

All of these are owned problems. And my problem, I keep trying to solve somebody's owned problem. That's why I keep ending up in all these places.

Can I take you about ml grim questions? Tell me about ml grim. This is an group, an idea from j.

Sana lag. So what makes a woman attractive is a mild, grim question. In other words, the social penalty for an unflattering answer is much higher than the reward for telling the truth.

Um because of this, we simply can't trust the answers we receive even if they're coming from friends. The best known trick question is, when did you stop beating your wife? Any conventional answer to the question confirms its assumption.

To escape the trap, you need to call out the question. This type of question isn't that common in practice? It's really just a rtw ical.

The most important, the most common type of trick question sounds more like, do you love big brother? It's a question. Or unacceptable request, regardless of whether it's true or false, will be punished, and the punishment is greater than the reward for the true answer. I'm gonna recall these ml grimm questions after the famous psychology experiment, where electric shops were administered for lung answers as a associated idea called the chilling effect. When punishment for what people say becomes widespread, people stop saying what they really think and instead say whatever is .

needed to to the area experiment.

Does limits on speech become limits on sincerity?

Is an interesting problem. Tell me about what you brought IT up and what do you find interest on IT?

IT is one way that .

explains how .

a group of people from the outside can not coordinated, but it's actually a common.

A common trend, a common motivation, working blood, the surface that motivates them all to behave in a way that appears coordinated from the outside. The incident just looks like perhaps cow us haps compliance.

So yeah i've been very interested in these sorts of issues. um. I try to tell people why the truth can't work when people always confused by say, okay, tell me I have mildly bad breath and some people say you have mildly bad breath and I say, well, you just told me that my breath is so honda that you were willing to cross the social casm that essentially know what ever crosses to tell me that I have mildly bad breath so obviously my breath must be as bad as a super um then they say, would you like a stick of gum and I say, sure and I show no cognition that you've actually told me about you know you can't transmit that piece of information easily.

It's very open to this um guess now our society hinges on these things. On the other hand, there are ways of getting at this. Questions through language. So for example, you're not allowed to say that you like cleavage, but you are allowed to say that was an incredibly dramatic neckline, right? And so why is IT that one phrase is penalty, zed, is because there's a wrestle conjugation that works in the rustle conjugation .

that doesn't wat SHE spy as they glow, right?

And so in such circumstances, the key question is how you are allowed to discuss the truth, as well as whether you are allowed to discuss the truth many times. There is a penalty for not being skilled. The skilled person is allowed to say something .

definite of the appropriate nuance with appropriate social Graces.

yeah. But then the question becomes, why can't you say certain things? And you know.

this is in part.

I believe in these social norms, but I believe that IT is necessary to create spaces which you can actually talk about the truth. And increasingly, what we're doing this is why inclusion is one of the dumbest ideas i've ever heard in my life.

is you put somebody .

to create a low trust environment in every high trust environments discussion group. So diversity is good. So far as IT goes, inclusion is good. So far as I go, equity is a disaster came just discussed. But the reason that inclusion is has become terrible is that we are trying to create a low trust environment in all previous highest environments.

And that thing means that we can actually have any serious discussions if you have knowledge about why of the arial diseases spreading um IT may require that people tell you that they are having sex with animals. That's you can't have somebody who's s gonna GLE. You can't have somebody who's going to shame.

You have to have a completely drive this conversation about how vicarial diseases can leap from non humans to humans. and. We need experts and we need closed doors not to become star chAmbers.

You mentioned before about being able to have an insight into what was happening in twenty sixteen. yeah. What do you think happens in two thousand twenty four?

I don't know, I don't know, you know, I am. I met with Robert Kennedy junior not too long ago, and he was nice enough to have my wife at night to his house. It's very clear that he's trying to harken back to a previous remembered amErica through his family and he's willing to die for IT. There is no question that he is willing to die to seek the presidency. I think that americans are going to have to come to grips with the fact that um are two political parties either one of them could win if .

they want to but the .

problem is, is that they want to win as a trough so in other words, imagine that what amErica wants is no more trough. You don't want to win playing to that aspect of amErica if IT means getting rid of the trough, because the trough was your entire reason for running a political party.

What you mean when .

you PyTorch assume that your party gets into power? Now you get to hire all of your friends into government positions that they get revolving door contracts with whoever they were regulating or dealing with. So effectively, everybody's gonna pick out and help themselves.

okay? We got democrats into congress. Now they can trade their personal accounts and pass legislation and do far Better than the market. You know, whatever IT is, imagine what americans want is I hate stop the corruption.

I don't trust why we're in ukraine the way we're in ukraine because I don't trust White hunter biden is being given a cushy salary from A A ukrainian company. Well, what you're telling, what the what the population is telling the two political parties is in the troughs and the political parties are saying, okay, what else do you want? We can give you that because that's the whole point of why we do what we do.

We're not public expected. We're not thinking about america. We're not thinking about the future.

We're not thinking about the good of the world of the environment or any of the stupid stuff that we are forced to talk about every four years. We're talking about swimming pools. We're talking about um third wives, fourth homes.

You know you are getting in the way of that. So tell us what else you want that doesn't interfere with the trough. Americans are pretty clear that get rid, get rid of the gun dam drops.

You're not you know you're slapping each other, your pigs at a trough and and now the ideas that since you're not doing anything, I want my ethnic group to be at the trough too. So this has nothing to do with anything. We have to clear these people out. They're just bad people.

Will a way too close to the twenty twenty four election for anybody to be .

cleared out now really?

I mean, what's onna happen between now and november?

I, I don't know. I mean, how old is joe by?

I don't know.

K, what are the odds that joe biden has a debilitating event between now and november, including death? So he runs a one in twenty chance of dying in any given year or above that? So I I don't think you know whether he's even going to make you to know them.

Eighty one.

对。 You have no idea what it's it's a million years between now in november. I don't know whether Donald trump, Donald trump is gonna you facing jail? I don't know whether there's going to be an interaction by mega people that who feel that the department of justice is going after a candidate for political reasons. I don't know if people are going to look at commoner Harris, as you know, the likely commander in chief where .

you laugh IT camera Harris, like she's become a mean of a mean of a mean. so. So absent from public .

life as far .

as I can see that it's it's hilarious. You don't think it's hilarious.

Oh, it's history, ally. funny. You're talking about common Harris being in charge of the world's greatest nuclear superpower.

It's it's a scream.

You're talking about joe biden being in charge or Donald trump.

The trump will be older than biden on this next reelection than by was when he first ended.

Off his biden began at twenty nine in the senate and seventy two. This whole thing is, china has made me to be more forthcoming. People wanted know why I have somewhat retreated from public life.

I have no clue how to talk about this stuff. This whole thing is so incredibly stupid. Nobody has ever done this in the united states.

We had a election one thousand hundred and eighty because rond reagan was sixty nine years old. Age was central. We've never been in this territory before.

Does that not mean that you should spend more time trying to grapple with ideas if you're not sure about them? Does that mean that if your concern is you mentioned people have asked why you've step back from having more public conversations? One of the reasons is that a lot of topics that you try to grapple with don't seem to make sense that much anymore. Is that not the time when you're supposed .

to grapple harder with them if somebody .

says to you a eric.

No previous election are are you .

supportive .

of the hillside strangler or ted bundy? go? Well, I don't know if Charles s. Manson might run as a, as a third party candidates, so it's too early to say this is also pathetically crazy, stupid.

What am I supposed to do to say get off my lawn every four seconds? I don't know how to react anymore. There's no part of this world at the moment that looks same to me. And know, i've done the read was at work, which is, if that's the way that feels to you, then you should look at your own sanity. Okay, let's entertain the idea that i've lost my mind like, no, no, this is all completely one problem of managed reality.

One of the things that I am concerned about to all the back end of this year is whether or not whoever wins is going to be accepted in even remotely a peaceful way.

We doesn't mean the same thing they used to.

Look, there's a mistake and some majesty necessary to make these things work. You have to believe that the supreme court is a bunch of incredibly smart legal mind. You have to believe that the president, the united states, is an exalted being who has power to make decisions on the behalf of the country. You can't afford Nancy policies husband trading up a storm like this.

Everything's become instagram stories behind the scenes of the cda. Hanan.

nobody trust experts exist. When your kid needs a lifesaving surgery, you're gonna find out that all you're drawing off on twitter about through the experts doesn't mean anything you like. Save my child.

We need experts. We need institutions, we need lies, we need fictions, we need stories. We need adult level public spirit, fictionalized of the truth.

I'm not claiming we don't, but now you've got this different class of people who says, okay, you don't want the truth. We need deaf stories. Let's just make up stuff and put stuff in our pockets.

How much if IT is coordination, how much of its covetise.

Well, I would rephrase that a little differently. Maybe I would say nobody smart has got ten anything to work like this in a long time. The reason we have Donald trump's ces, joe biden is that everybody failed.

I feel i've been podcasting reaching millions. I've been teaching people about all sorts of things. One of things I find very funny is that there's if you look at the negativity that follows you around, there are these very conserved things.

One of them is eric goes on forever and says nothing. If you look at the sheer density of information I ve dropped on podcast, i'll put that up against anybody. But it's like we want eric to disappear. We want eric not to say thanks.

Who do you think is behind that?

Don't know if.

You stop your podcast. No, I was a fun of that podcast. That first episode you did repeat roths was fantastic.

I can't tell you how many people every day. Whereas the portal bring the portal back, what is the take to bring the portal back? attempted? Mick jagger said something about brian Jones that has just haunted me. And he said.

fame doesn't sit comfortably .

on anyone shoulders, but there are shoulders upon which IT appears not to sit at all. And I thought, okay, if there's one guy who is good at being famous, that must be met jagger and for him to say IT doesn't sit comfortable ly in any shoulders if you just pass IT, you think, oh, he's telling us something that looks like i'm good at being famous, but it's not easy and it's not something that's comfortable and then he makes the second point about ryan Jones, and he says there appeared to be shoulders upon which he does not sit at all. And I think I don't like the fact that you can turn that off.

It's a one way straight for a very long time.

That's right. And you know there's a point where you're wandering through istanbul and somebody is out, eric whinstone, and like there's no way to get away from .

this and .

he didn't like that wonderful guy. 嗯， most everybody I meet is fantastic. I like lots of lots of being well known, but the tooth pace has a i've hoped that the tooth pace was sort to go back in the two.

I could do a little bit of podcasting here and there. And IT just doesn't work. So you don't you .

at the moment are not prepared to bring the podder back?

No, i'm thinking about IT. I'm thinking about IT because I can't get back. Look, I have fantasy. Y is about not being well now, and I do anything is too late.

Defer into the breach.

Look IT but also nobody wants you to listen to this. You know remember you're saying before mugham questions, I let's .

play with .

IT because I I think it's a fun, a fun idea. You ever heard somebody says something .

of the poppi you like, yeah.

But actually I believe in, I wouldn't want to live with poverty. The problem is, is that nobody's gna hear IT for what IT is. If I really dislike somebody, I want them to become famous. See how they do.

I came up with this idea. I put IT in my newsletter last week, a titanic problem. You'd also call IT a champagne problem. OK titanic problem is an issue that everyone says you're in such a privileged position to deal with. This is an extra special type of tragedy, a tragedy that unfolds while everyone cheers like being on the titanic.

After the iceberg, watch up to your chin with everyone telling you you're so lucky to be on the greatest steamship of all time. And the titanic is indeed so huge and wonderful that you can't help but agree. But also you're feeling a bit cold and wait moment and you are not sure why from other mastery oni.

I didn't know you had that up is really good yeah yeah I I think like I like my ideas being well known. There's tons of of being well known. That's fun. But in the aggregate, it's like somebody tells you you can have you can have an orgasm every three minutes, but you can't turn .

IT off as some of some people who have that.

I know it's a neurological disorder. And step to thirty seconds, right? And you can quickly see that you wouldn't .

sign up for that .

right inside of famous like that. Is that do you really want to never know who sees you when you go out in public?

I've been fascinated by the Price that people pay to be someone that most of the world admires and new on was recently unlikely show. He said, my mind is a storm. I don't think most people would want to be me. They may think they would want to be me, but they don't, they don't know, they don't understand.

I love that. I love that .

friend .

mine said to me very different, said I, eric, i'm always jews of where you end up. But then I think about, and I realized I never jealous of how you get there.

Right like at some level .

these these thing .

that somebody is ripped, wow, there must be awesome. Well, did you just figure in how much work that took? um.

I have this guy that I, I think the world of ryan Williams, who was a scooter kid, then did B, M, X, and does this crazy tricks, three seconds in area. What you can do is amazing. And I worry about.

He's got my tickets to natural circus, which I very much enjoy. Don't anybody I know there because it's a different slice of the world. I think I don't know .

why .

we all don't a monter to more and but I look at how many times he fell doing this trick, where he got the bike to rotate in an opposite direction, and he in the bike did opposite circles before they came back together. And I said, that's your mono lisa and they started putting out a real of like how many times he didn't succeeded .

at that chick hundreds .

of ballots yeah. There's no way in the world you could get me to do I want to do the trick I want to know that feels like but he's .

one of the world .

championing followers right and so in large measure um i'm divided. I'd like having my ideas well known. Ninety five and ninety eight percent of the audience figures out how to be respectful and reasonable. And this is this hard or two percent.

There's a article by tim ferris called thirteen reasons not to get famous. One of my favorite articles, it's over ten years old. So tim, first, if you think about his trajectory, really interesting, he said he gets thrust into fame with the four, our work week and has the sliver unique. Angle on life where he's so intensely curious about the the way that you do something so you would mention that you have a gratitude practice and wouldn't say, oh, what time do you do on the morning IT would be what pad you use, what no pad do use, which prompt you use?

Do you have a time of you doing this in the sunlight, edin, this indorse outdoors? What sort of a seat is that? All of these things is very, very interested in the particular um then he gets this T V show and he's part of this T V show where he tries to sort of hack his way quickly through lots of different things.

Do you know that he managed to make himself into a time boxing champion? no. So tim red, the rule book of a particular subset of kwan tae boxing, kickboxing, something like that.

And he found out that if your opponent goes out of the ring three times in any, you win by default. So he just sprinted across the ring, grab his opponent, throw out of the ring three times, and became a champion by doing that consistently. They then tough that back out of the rules and got rid of IT. But he just had this.

this hacker mental.

yes, yeah hacer mentality. He was life hacking. And then he talks about what actually happens when you reached the size of audience that most people are supposed to have, and that there are strange e jax Donalds.

There was a guy that camped outside of his house, managed to work out where his household be from meta data and photos of some kind, and capped outside of his house for a while. Add that tim was sending him secret messages in his podcasting that he wanted to be with the exactly he had to start checking into hotels and suddin ims. He no longer posted photos of where he was going when he was going on trips because people were reverse engineering IT.

He uses this example, that million to one odds happened eight times a day in new york city. Because if you have any sufficiently large data set, the law of large numbers suggest that within the catchment area of one hundred, how many people, how many people does work in a rich player? You know, individuals, a billion. But individual people .

may surrounded by security, of course. So, you know, in part, one of the things that i'm trying to think about is you have to become rich enough to make use of the tools, and then you have to decide to came in to go behind walls. And that's not what I ever wanted.

I wanted to be able to go to starbucks, not tell any, anyone work on stuff that I care about. And you know, there was something about being contacted by killers. IT was a colorado killer.

I think he killed five people in tattoo parlors who was trying to get in touch with me. Why don't know? Because i'm a lightning rod for crazy people.

What do you think IT is? Is, is something to do with the ideas of of?

Well, let's see, almost everything is fake. We have to get off of this planet. The alien story has much more to you than you can imagine.

Tech Jeffery estein is a construct of somebody take, you know, we're going to go through all of these. The world is an incredibly interesting place. We're pretending that it's incredibly boring.

And I I have the stupidity to say, hey, can we go back to reality and and and claiming that we should go back to reality in a world which is refused with the delusion means that. I think we also don't understand how many people are driven crazy by small amounts of sanative. You if you imagine the Robert to arrow character in taxi driver, you imagine David burn of talking heads doing psychology er right. It's somebody who's seeing through .

the world and they're creating .

their own illusions. But they're not aware that they're creating their own illusions. They just see that the world is fake and filled with sludge and sewage. and.

You don't want to to meet the taxi .

driver character. Yeah, this idea, the the champagne problem of the titanic problem, almost everybody has less wealth and less fame than they want， which means that anybody who complaints about the specialities that come with wealth, fame, the total addressable market for sympathy, is basically zero. Yeah, the total addressing market for envy is very high. Who is going to say when lots of people aren't as well known or aren't as wealthy, are a suffering in one way or another that you seem to have somehow figured out it's very difficult to gain a sympathy for seemingly crying from your guilty?

It's not about think think about IT in terms of privacy and installation. Everybody wants privacy when they want privacy, right? If if we had a toilet here and feel free to use IT, nobody y's using IT but there was no walls, you would not think that that was being offered to you a seriously um that's that's .

the way .

that you explain what this is, is a complete absence of private the .

something .

similar but .

it's about music so you might be interested. Must brother this up ten times? So fascinating. Louis copd, the Scottish singer did a documentary for netflix. S that he does .

his first album.

He's singing songs that he made when he was a teenager. The same songs get recorded and released, and he has just the most phenomenal success, billions of stream worldwide .

to he done .

has to write a second album. Covin happens, and he start to develop a tirez twitch like this because of the pressure that he feels some of IT very rightly coming from the world, but some of IT being internally generated as well.

Yeah, you know he can move in his own pace and there's this is interesting watching him go through because you think, yes, there is all of this pressure and and the world is expecting so much of you and you didn't ask for this. You just wanted to sing the songs that you sign and so and so but also does not the same type of pressure that you are put your embarking this and then starting to spend IT up yourself as well. And he is the perfect example of somebody, I think, who has the ability to become world class, but doesn't have the ability to be world famous.

Mm, and I think .

that those are two different skills sets the ability to be world class in ability to be thing.

yeah.

I think I like, I like people too much. I really enjoyed being able to be a Normal human being in the world and move around and try out ideas in, you know.

so in him, nice synonimous sub stack account.

Okay, so for Christmas, do you know tell walking fielders who is the base player with jeff back? She's an amazing talent friend. Mine came over for Christmas.

Two jews. We start hanging out. He wants to sing the song, gospel song in the last month of the year. SHE just come off tour with the oman brother's ban. So there I am trying to follow her, some song i've never heard, I can't sing and playing guitar and we're .

just planning around .

and somebody taking video of IT. And just like we got ta release this, i'm just thinking if you release this, i'm going to have to listen to everybody eric thinks is the worlds greatest guitar rist and that it's embarrassing because he plays with jeff back and now eric is making an asset of themselves. So I didn't release IT.

I mean was joyous. IT was fun. IT was silly. And it's just like the the constant stream of moronic abuse.

I don't even know how much of IT is from humans. Think a lot of its from bots. I think elan is very misguided.

He has this idea like anybody who shrinks from criticism or um you know jokes is too thin skin like you have no idea what you product is. Your product allows stalking. You don't know how this isn't about people yelling you suck. This is about people combing your all your public record saying, oh, well you didn't if you didn't want us to know where you live, you wouldn't thrown that check into the treasures .

so I was going to bring this up before we before we started. It's it's such a shame that we can play music on youtube without getting copyright struck. It's so annoying because I D love to get you to react.

Well, i'll do once we finish. Ah I want to get you to react to my favorite band, twenty twenty three or five of my songs from my spotify rap from the same artist OK band called sleep token. Don't know IT. Okay so they I don't even know how to begin to describe what this particular general is that listed under metal technically, but they have elements of rapped, the helpers, hip hop t the velocity ments of jazz, lot of velocities that are off key, that are also brilliant, completely anonymous, every single member of the band completely anonymous. I love that they have law around the band.

They um use what look a little bit like node rooms on the album work, and if you track all of the different rules and then reverse engineer what they are sometimes in the corner of tiny little pieces of obama, the notes and things, the first song, they they made the songs, or they made their albums in eras. And this one is, this last one is a trilogy, the first song of the first album of this particular trio, gy, which was released in two thousand and eight. There was different members in the band on the backside room has the exact same melodic progression in sample is the last song of the last album.

wow.

These guys are just another level and complete another level last week. They're not named, died that this vessel, that's one. Then there's two, three and four. And then there's backing singers, and they referred to as like I, I, I, I, I and I V three .

birth certificate .

was discovered, released on the internet yeah, through a telegram chat yeah, they would reverse engineer based on some. They looked at this particular american recording copyright association website, where you have to legally list some of the names of the people you can reverse engineer, who that isn't all that person used to be in this band, that sound, that his voice sounds like that person. And then we go back and see the from that we can work out where these people live.

This is exactly IT right and I tell a joke about this that's not funny at all um which is well if you didn't want us to understand your brack genes status you wouldn't published on the front page of the new ork time you wouldn't be throwing out your dentil loss okay, so I get IT. You went through my garbage, you picked up my dental floss, you took IT to a lab and you came up with a cock ball story that because no particularly link in this chain may have been technically illegal. Everything you do is fine and I I also jug about this under the heading of perfectly legal if you ask somebody whether something is legal and they say it's perfectly well, you know that you should be serious.

I never thought of before that that's so true. And interesting that I heard recently is any website this is from Kevin Kelly. Any website that has the word truth in the U. R. Value, you can immediately discount.

Yeah yeah. But I mean, there is this very funny sort of newton s law that I also talk about with venture po in same hair is that bencher is always talking about the need for reason um in areas which is Normative because he doesn't want to make an appeal to religious norms so much because he's known to be in north of that do where sam Harris always talking about spirituality and morality um because he's an atheist st who is suspected of not having a moral code because doesn't come from a god.

You've got a counter signal.

you have to counter signal and there's is one of the reasons, for example, why people with unusual beliefs often take down other people with unusual beliefs because you've already pulled out so many blocks out of the ginger tea you can't afford anymore. Um I was so .

reflecting on the .

odd horse shoe that we've seen from people like doug's murray and sam Harris who were very critical of religion at Stellar large degree but especially you know twenty years ago kind of breaking down a lot of these walls, being involved in in being sceptical about the role little bit and yet does now almost a return to cheer nostalgia for A A grand narrative that unifies everybody does a concern about what is coming in its place as IT work is a IT is IT jump is .

a is IT how do you say that?

To try to say, baby, in bath water.

it's easiest to say we don't .

know the second order effects of the things that we do. Perfect example of this is after the introduction of the contract etive pill, abortions went up. A single motherhood went up. That's like a third of fourth order effect that nobody could have predicted. I don't think nobody IT would have taken an unbelievably .

shop mind to have gone. okay.

So if before contracts tive, both controllers available reliably for the woman to use an accidental pregNancy is seen as the man's obligation is opposed to the woman's choice, but after that its reversed, which means that the shotgun wedding goes out of the window because the owners can always be put on the woman. And that's interesting that. Sometimes you don't know the like Better the devil you know. In some ways I have .

a different take on IT, but um that's interesting.

One .

OK.

So one of my rip is that if you look at the declaration of independence, the language says we hold these truth to be self evidence, you have to say, because. You have to say we are not going into an infinite sequence of wise statements. And by saying we hold these truth to be self evident, you're saying you may not hold them to be self evident. Bug off. We hold these truth to be self evident if you can't hold these truth .

to be self evidence.

exclusions and some absolutely. And so very often when you imagine that you're going to put everything on reason anybodies had as an intelligent child knows, why did he? Why is that? Well, why is that? And eventually, infinite regret. Well, I joke with my son, and I say either the parent eventually says because or you end up as a theoretical physical because that's that's exterminate. You have to have an organizing principle that scales and you know same mistake .

um is not .

understanding, even if sam Harris can be immoral and ethical, somewhat rational human being at times. On his best day takes some Harris as a reasonable, rational more of hub. You can't scale that IT doesn't scale.

It's a big difference between saying it's impossible for an individual and saying it's impossible for society. Um the next part of that. Part of the document is that all men are created equal and earned doubt by their creator. You have to make a reference to ground assumption where you are not going to go below. And if you don't do that, you end up an infinite regress.

That's because.

yeah, if I ask you as a computer, divide one by three to infinite precision, give you me the answer. Let's take point three and blow up. Call the resource leak.

You can't allow these infinite recursive seeking truth. And as a result of that, we didn't understand the the load bearing nature of religion in the atheist st move. Now I say we, that was never my problem.

I mean, he is to praise, as i've said, and people get very comfortable. How do you pray to and what do you mean? Your brain knows how to pray you. Your brain knows how to believe in a god. Whether there is a god or there is no god.

what? How important is belief?

I don't know, but i've never met an atheist to never believes. And i've never met a religious person who .

always believes humans .

fit in and out of belief in non belief. IT is the nature of our of our beast. And as a result of that, I feel like we're just not honest if if you claim as an atheist that dream never entertain the idea of an all ID and a creator, I don't believe you and if your a religious person says, like my my belief in my lord is one hundred percent I was like.

nope there's align from George jane cover says every man knows god when he's at his lowest place. Okay, the foxall, yeah, it's very interesting, very interesting to think about what's gonna come next as whether IT does descending into this sub posted for the next one that you want to do. The poster pocalypse blown out windows spring mattress in the back corner, word war.

Nothing is unifying, given that what we spoke about for the in up first ninety minutes is the world is confusing. Hard to make sense. We don't know what's real.

We don't know what isn't. We don't know if we can trust the information that we're getting this in front of our eyes. We don't if we can trust the people that are around us to, they have our best trust, our heart.

How do we make sense of the world? Religion provided a pretty good tool for that. And I I I am not sure whether it's possible to be a cultural Christian or a cultural muslim or a cultural due. I I wonder how important the belief bit is to the religion bit.

Do do you pray?

I meditate to his closest. You're gonna get. Would you .

mean want to try prayer so well, I mean, what what prayers move?

I don't know enough. I mean, I took my mom to ripen cathedral on Christmas eave. And we went through a full service of ninety minutes with thirteen, fourteen, fifteen.

Himes added a bunch of prison between. Blood Christmas tree is in decoration, in stuff. But I think that would have been the first time that I would have heard something like that into primary school since I was eleven a ten.

yeah. Is a religious music that moves you.

See, you have the major scale is the centerpiece of western music.

You need .

guitar work. Um why do you have a guitar?

We have a guitar. Can we get a guitar? Come on. We need need to be able to hear this.

Principle reason for bringing out a guitar would be to stop me from singing, which I think is an excelling idea. Okay, well, well, hey, no. But look, I can't sing. I can't play the guitar. I enjoy doing IT to the they go.

Well, look, this is a full size one. Last time we gave you one that made you look like you were a giant.

okay? So if you just take the the major scale, right?

That's not really music, but try just the descending major scale.

What is that to you?

Sounds like mary had a little lama, something similar.

Now.

what is that? Why do I know that tune from? What is that .

just to the world the lord has right now? If you take a different scale, right? You know, the blues scale.

And a little bit miner. So you can ask the same question if I do the descending scale. You know what is that like the intro from messing with the kid? Or it's close to sunshine of your love.

right? So is a descending scale. Music, not much, but when it's made music by pausing or by emphasis, one of the great tunes of western civilization is created joy to the world.

You know, my my feeling about IT is that song should move you and all of these religious songs. They mean something, you know, I I was in a car train going from bulgaria to key, and there are all of these siberia miners. I brought my harMonica and they were head had a transistor radio.

And at some point the radio gives out they want to drink and dance because this is their holiday. They start being really rody. And i'd realized I had the ability to make music.

So I pulled a harMonica. I start playing some blues, and everybody is dancing and having a great time and more, and whatever. And i'm paralyzed. I don't have that much of a rap in the harMonica.

And the one thing I could do was I start um playing jewish songs and this woman comes up to me and grabs me by my the baLance is in russia. Where do you know this from? Where do you like? I'm realizing that I am an an anti semitic environment, I think.

And i've got a siberia minor who recognizes that i'm playing jewish music and i'm terrified. I'm paralyzed. I didn't say anything I pretend that I can understand in russian. And SHE reaches into her bossom and he pulls out a giant star of David.

right?

And like she's just looking me in the eyes, like I know you, you know me. There's a way in which religious music is incredibly powerful and prayer is incredibly powerful. and.

I think we're afraid to pray. You know you say this in terms of meditation. We're RAID to submit to something bigger than ourselves to use the the programing that we have that um that makes us field .

what is something .

that feels .

disingenuous about praying if you don't believe there's a line from dan Browns Angels and demons the movie tom hanks is speaking to the camel ango he's trying to get access to the varian archives. He wants to get down there to work out some secret that was left that he needs to find out who who's killing is killing everybody. The kind lingo asks him, played by you in my goga.

And he says, do you believe, professor? And he starts giving some politicians answer worry skirts around the question. He says he didn't ask that I asked if he believed IT looks and straighten the eyes. And he says faith is a gift .

that i'm yet to be given. But I don't believe that we all have the gift of faith. But we don't have as the ability to sustain IT, we don't have the ability to import them into all quadrants of our minds.

Look, i'm saying that i'm in an atheist. I don't I don't believe in the stories about the deity. But that's not constant.

You you fit in and out, you know, my, do you believe in ray Charles? I do, do you? Now, i'm a sorry joking.

But if I think about what did I say by ray Charles, why was that song so powerful? He's basically bringing saturday night and sunday morning together, right? There's there's a religious sort of gospel coral aspect to IT and he's got the really lets in .

the background .

echoing and he goes, they go, he goes, oh, oh, oh, oh, that's that's pretty. It's the tank granting going on on saturday night, right? And then you going to show up in church and you're onna turn IT into, uh, something else.

Ray Charles was scandals because he fused the secular in the sacred, the provin the sacred. Do you believe in the double one of the, you know. You know this song crossroads by robber Johnson. No, well.

I kit, let's see if you do right.

I don't know that I could do a Robert Johnson country blue, but like this were an electric guitar that you probably know.

Went down to the crossroad try to flag myself with right. Down the cross, read to flag master who run. All good people, they just pass me by. He's talking about going to the crosser as to bargain for his soul. He wants to learn how to play the guitar.

And that's powerful .

because you have the myths, you know, the double goes down to georgia .

or you've .

got to the crossed roads to gain something in a frosty and bargain. How are you going to believe that with no lord? You're going to screw yourself out of the ability to .

listen to floor .

to mythology, to a great literature. And that that makes me sad. You know it's like, are you making a point of saying that you can understand the religious person? But we need churches and and and and uh months and and musters and synagogues and we need them to behave non psychopathic and you can't hate on the psychopathy. um. And divorce yourself from the power you know the power of the word and a song .

and a communal prayer and it's it's something and wasted for I .

wish for a belief .

that I never had in a way .

no yeah there's .

I think there's a particular lattin church chose. Can you grab this, sir? But get lately for me, please.

One of the quickest growing denominations, I think, of church attendance in amErica is this thing at all in latin. You heard about this. No, I calm what IT is. And it's growing massively in the, in a Young age, demography under thirty or something. The whole thing in .

IT can be awesome, right? Well.

I think i'm wondering that can .

too may have been a kind of a big mistake.

also.

Because when you're forced to actually content with what the words are in a modern context. They don't have the power that they sometimes have as a spell.

It's difficult to switch off a very particular type of critical, vigilant analytical mind when what you're looking to try to do is allow the experience to wash ovie. So perhaps. Yeah not being unless you have fluent in latin, being able to just enjoy the experience and just be maybe that is most of what you're trying to maybe that most of what religious service was doing, maybe IT wasn't really anything to do with the .

words very often IT isn't. I mean, IT depends, you know, so we're actually meeting on show about I should have travel here. We shall be using electronic devices, but i'm not practicing due at that level. But I think .

about what .

we say over the wine when we pray, you know, we have this thing where we begin vivox SHE by halloween being fee miltos a like this is the sound of of jewish prayer, right?

And then you're thinking .

about what he says, and it's very moving to me because what IT is, is it's it's it's taken directly out of genesis vi era vi I voci um hushes and IT was evening and IT was morning the six day right in your this day and SHE SHE is six in arv is evening in worker's morning so you know what the words mean and you're actually recapitulating god's shifting. From work to .

rest so as you .

come to understand what the words mean um IT it's not destroyed by knowledge um you know you know that river that's related to the Grace that we say after meals. These are references that matter and I think people are are shocked um. They don't know how much of their life comes from scripture.

You know you you have a round of firing at the company. Company says, I can read the writing on the wall. Well, do you know that that's dying of five, twenty five? Do you know the wall says.

I think many, many take a far seat. You know, you've been measured in found warning your lanes will be distributed to the persons or something like that. These these are incredibly powerful references that we live with.

You know, you think about the birds to everything, turn, turn, turn people gears. And there is the season and the time and proper and heaven. The closest is.

You think about Jimmy hendricks going off, but two writers were approaching, and the wind began to hell, is there? Where are you? Where are you with the power of the world? Are you afraid to welcome IT? Are you worried .

you lose your atheism?

What what are those two writers approach? They come with news. That's the follow baba. Toward the joker and the thief, and that's all.

I believe they're on .

either side of .

Christ being crucified. Religion is interested in you whether or not you give a shit. IT knows about you and IT finds its way into every aspect of your life. And if you're gonna be an honest day, yes, you have to admit .

that talking .

about Younger people, have you seen the data showing the movement of teenage boys politically to the right? We've been looking .

at anywhere else that they going to go to. Good question. I mean, I had a teenage boy.

I still have one, but is eighteen now? I watch them be pushed farther and farther right by their schools. You suck.

All of your instincts are bad. These girls are amazing. Look at you.

Your pathetic. Be less masculine and more attractive. You're just barking at them constantly.

They're not moving, right? They're moving out of your stupid way. You've given them what tough. Nothing, one of my son's friends died recently by his own hand.

And I don't know what kind of pressures he was put under, but I watched those kids go through this pressure coker created by this crazy parasitized left wing educational movement, get away from our sons. Get away from our daughters, get away from our sons and away from our daughters. Not left, right. I don't have a republican bone in my body. Get the crazy people who do not understand human development away from our children.

Stop giving our daughters terrible life advice.

But like.

It's one of these millgram question. What am I supposed to say? Let me speak abstractly. So we don't get distracted with stupid stuff. Gender is about reproduction.

And it's paired and there's nothing you're going to do that as good as the male female pairing that produces families. Yes, there's a ton of problems. There's a ton of problems with traditional femininity, with traditional I actually believe the toxic masculinity use to mean something before IT meant nothing.

Right now we are allowing our children to be parented by people who should be nowhere close to a child, because development for humans is different. We're not like well to bees where you come out with programming where you can walk on day one. We're basically not blank slates, but self assembling computers. And what you put into .

a developing mind.

you know what? Normal child trying to figure out gender identity does not go through a process trying to figure out, oh, I like that dress. Do I want to marry somebody who's wearing IT, or do I want to wear at myself? That's a Normal process that you go through in development.

And if a parent here's that, they usually, you know, try to guide natural gender identity. Now what happens when an administrator says, oh, he said he wanted to wear a dress. He's a girl.

Everybody respect his choice. You're thinking what you took a moment that happens in every boy's life. And you turned IT into a transfer mac moment and then you tried to like freeze IT in.

And let me guess, you really just want to protect something which is great. Some people want to protect trans kids. Trans kids exist.

They have life very hard on them. Okay, let's ask how many trends kids got manufactured by this D, E, I. movement.

Versus how many would occur naturally. And you have type one and type two error. You have a trans kid who was always going to be a trans kid that wasn't properly treated.

That's terrible. I agree with the D. E, I people at that. You have another collection, huge collection, of Normal kids who are never going to be trans, and you pushed them towards this.

I had jay Michael daily on the show, who is paper on R O G D, rapid on such gender is forever. Was puled. Very, very rare that this happens. and. I learned during my research for that about the left handiness argument for both gay and transsexual people.

So in the midst ages, IT was seen as being a mark of which craft of being touched by the devil that you were left handed, which meant that people who were, he did that left handed us? Yeah, I think about twelve percent. Maybe if the population is left handed, something like that.

But during middle ages, IT was significantly less. The ceiling gets released, and people are free to be the true left handed itselfe. And more people become left handed. I I can now fully manifest that forward.

And that is an an argument that gets put forward a lot for, well, now that we have released the lid on the pressure coker that was tamping down people's natural trends or gay proprieties or whatever, they are not free to be themselves. But that doesn't explain why gender euphoria appears to occur in clumps. It's not evenly distributed across all schools.

You linked two things that I think. Have to be unlinked. We are fighting the last war because we got male homosexuality wrong.

I'm old enough to remember when I was a lifestyle choice. right? And I had gay friends in college who had a choice.

You get quiet. Hi, choosers. We're lumping a bunch of stuff together. I don't think male homosexuality has almost anything to do with female homosexuality. I think calling them both homosexuality is very confusing.

There's something that seems much more obligate about male homosexual is highly conserved. I don't think it's unnatural. I think it's it's part of the design of humans. We have quite figured out why it's they are.

I don't disagree, but I think the that hand's argument makes sense when IT comes to homosexuality, but not when IT comes to the trans issue.

No, IT makes sense in both, but the size of the effect is the problem you're claiming. And I have no doubt that there were some people who had transgender brains who were lauded, uh, you know, transvestites that cause somewhere in the basement where they got to be them, their true selves, no question that that exists.

The issue is that you created an enormous amount of like tight to error, so you could go after a much smaller amount of type one there. You created all sorts of negative stuff by not balancing type one and type two. And that's unforgivable.

You're not actually the defenders you think you are. You're somebody who's destroying some lives to privilege others. And why have you made that decision? I completely agreed with you. Like I I won't say there are only two genders.

you know why?

Because it's not .

true in .

humans yeah two genders or two sexes.

Well, first of all, the agenda insects used to be largely anonymous before we decided that one was in some sense obligate a biological and the other software program.

Well, that was a lexicon game that was believed in the one thousand fifties that was played to try vate.

You can you can make a an argument that you need a term. I don't think the gender should be purposed for that, but you can make a an argument that just like abstracting male and female into top and bottom had some utility OK.

So what do you mean when you talk about that?

Intersex is an really important category to me. I know people who are intersex. If they screwed.

they were screw .

because our society had no way of dealing with them. The gender binary is so strong that somebody through zero fault of anybody is born with ambiguity. And they are genitalia and the chromium on something.

So yes, there are two intended sexes or genes, but nature isn't good enough to hit that mark all the time. And those those are human beings, those are souls. And the sloppy right wing thing, which is to find the shelling point where you just sit there, you say there are only two sexes and two gender. I understand what you're doing that you're trying to stop this crazy conversation that taken off. So it's not like I don't have sympathies with why you're saying that.

But when I .

bring up you know, my favorite example is persistent millican duck syndrome where somebody goes into their doctor having trouble having a kid and like, well, you have tweaks and berries. Which of us have got a urus? Your female is.

does that person produce both sperm and eggs? No, right. Actually that's the definition. That is the, that is the line in the ground around male and female. Large gametes.

yeah. But sorry, the gentleman who goes into his doctor to find out that he's got a uterus, who is he? If he wants to be male, I understand why he wants to be male if he wants to be able to talk about the fact that he got handed some very strange cards by by the creator and her infinite wisdom um I want him for her.

However that person conceives self to be. That's that's a soul to me. And I don't like the energy of saying they're only two sexes and two genders, and that's IT like I get that.

I understand what you're trying to do. You're trying to say that there are two intended sexes in gender is reproductive. It's nature.

I get IT IT depends on how we going to define sex, because if IT comes down to gambie size, that that is binary.

Sure OK. But what do you do about the education? educate.

But no one's producing both. So there are none I .

don't know that no boy's producing both. Maybe that's the fact you know, usually the issue is, is that you have this this list of hama logue, right, so that the class maps to the penile shaft in the labor majority mapped to the testicles. What you're doing is you're taking a common female temper, I believe, and you're treating IT through the S R Y cascade differently during development so that the default is female.

But you also have this ability, uh, through this one protein to create a cascade that creates male at a female. Okay, that doesn't know his work out now you ve got an ambiguous situation and you've got A A culture that basically can't think in ambiguities. That's where a lot of this frustration with the gender binary comes from, is that you you know somebody in this in a category where they're not really one thing or the other at the hardware level. I I believe that beyond that, there's also a software level.

There are people with male brains and female bodies and and conversely, I don't understand this stuff, but I believe that that's true if you ever have the opportunity to interview the dream mousy who used to be, I think, Dennis mccloskey, very famous economist I had the pleasure of speaking with her a while back and um you know one thinks that he said is that he wasn't doing this to be hard tarsi SHE was going to he wanted to die a an old lady, not an old man. What he wasn't was in a sex thing was just the fact that you been uncomfortable in a male body her whole life. So i've using the term her, do I have to use the terminal now? I could use the term him or his.

But why would you do that? Don't you have enough compassion that somebody ruined their family life and went through hell and in public? Because IT was so painful to be in the wrong body? I get IT.

Okay, now you have that compassion and how many lives are gonna rule in over that? How many lives are you're gonna own, pretending that this is an enormous cohort. So to the extent that I have a slogan, and I basically never speak about trans, my slogan is make trans accepted in rare.

Make IT rare means, use the developmental and. In order to give good coaching about male strategies and female strategies for life, don't relitigate the fact that we screw up male homosexuality. Just take your lumps.

We screw IT up. It's a part of the human condition. It's never gonna go away.

It's different from female homosexuality. Almost certainly. We don't exactly know why it's here. We've been blessed with untold riches, particularly the memetic round from malhomme xuv. IT is what IT is.

and now we're .

going to refight this over trans. Well, no, I think you have tremendous opportunities through development to assign behaviors. Is the skirt a female object? No, the lungi in south asia is a skirt men wear ever longer.

It's like telling a Scottish person that. Is he? He is cross dressing.

What do you an idiot? You ever double with a scotswoman? You do not want to make that mistake.

They will let you know very quickly who they are. um. We're out of our minds. We're out of our minds. We're creating so much misery for these Young men and Young girls.

Now and you know just IT makes me upset because we don't love our children enough. We, we don't love our children enough to tell these teachers, hands off my kids. Go work out your weird stuff.

I get IT get away .

from our children.

I came up a this idea of toxic compassion, which was something as looking .

to name meta theater maternity.

Yes, yes, I can eat more complex.

like the need to mother and protect something so badly that you just wanted do violence to somebody because you want to get your rocks off that there is this problem with compassion.

But if you prioritize short term emotional comfort over everything else, you end up with some very strange extension ties such as that.

though. But I mean, what for talking about the same thing?

Let me know. Let me remind. Toxic compassion is the prioritization of short term emotional comfort over everything, over truth, reality, actual long term outcomes, flourishing, everything that optimize for looking good rather than doing good.

This is seen in much of popular culture as the desirable, fair and empathetic thing to do. And it's everywhere. People would rather claim the body fat has no barring on health and mortality outcomes to avoid making overweight individuals feel upset, even if this causes them to literally die sooner. I'll have a worst quality of life over the long room. Parents would rather allow children to play computer games or watch screens and access social media every night, instead of dealing with the discomfort of taxing IT away from them.

Even if IT ruins their brain development, social skills in self esteem, people would rather say that children growing up in a single parent households suffer no worse outcomes than those from two parent households, even if this misleads parents, children and teachers about why kids behaved the ways they do. Elan musk recently responded criticism about his political alignment and contribution to climate change, identified how we give a shift tesla red cause in the electric vehicle market in the downstream impact of that on the environment, saying that he's done more for the climate than any other human in history. What I care about is the reality of goodness, not the perception of IT. And what I see all over the place, people who care about looking good while doing evil, telling people what they want to hear, giving the immediate gratification and avoiding saying anything that could cause distress, prioritized appearing good over actually doing good is dangerous.

And with you, you are in an area I think a lot about. And I don't I don't want attack something that you saying, but I I conceive of this differently. There's a point about pandemonium and appearing to do good while doing evil.

That is different from the need to parents and protect. Part of what's going on is a redistribution of empathy, which is being called an expansion of empathy, right? So the idea is we are going to be extra specially sympathetic with some groups and empathic with their their trauma, their pain. And we are going to take away compassion from other groups. So for example, if you look at super statistics .

and united states .

from all of the rhetorical c, you would think that Young, black, asian females would be at the top of the suicide statistics. But it's real middle aged White men who are killing themselves. Incredible numbers.

Can you bring up the statistic? and. There's an exchange rate in terms of human is misery that is measured in suicide. That is a pretty unforgivable thing. When you till yourself, you're probably in an extremely negative state of personal trauma.

So what does the compassion group think about the fact that the group most liked in their own lives is exactly the group that is faulted? You know, for the patriarchy, it's a standing, oh, poor little weight. Men in the midwest had their privilege taken. What the hell you talking about?

You're talking about .

people killing themselves. You've talking about fathers and grandfather's dying. What we're talking about is a redistribution of compassion. We're talking about taking compassion away from people of european dissent. We're talking about taking compassion away from men.

We're talking about taking compassion away from a business person like Steve jobs who might have pancreatic cancer and be dying from IT in his fifties because he had the privilege of building billion dollar companies. Who the hell are you? What is your problem?

Come out of the shadows .

and admit to what you want. You want a redistribution of compassion. You're calling this empathy IT is anything but empathy? Empathy would be an expansion of our understanding of each other, other's problems and those.

This is basically saying that these people are worthy of compassion, and these people aren't the child who might have been wronged for not having a clear gender identity. And that would have happened under any air in in any circumstance. That's one life.

And then you have a bunch of lives over here that are children who are pushed toward sexual assignment surgery and are sexually mutilated for no reason at all because of of developmental with you know, reasons that they got bad advice from adults while they were trying to assemble themselves. And you're compassions about this and you're not compassionate about that. I don't want you anywhere near the school.

If you're not willing to deal with type one and type two error, you don't belong around our children. If you don't understand, the human development is important and that IT is very hard to improve on the gender binary. That is, even if there are edge cases, the gender binary is there full reason? And you don't have in a clue how complicated the gender bias.

You probably haven't even studied sexuality in different species that assign gendered in a flatworms, assign IT based on a contest. The winner is man, loser is female. You don't like that.

Tough luck. You know, bedbugs only practice traumatic insemination. You don't like that. I'm sorry.

Have you gone to engineer the entire world around your crazy theories of gender and sexuality? We need these people away from children. They're working out their own stuff.

We need to recognise that homosexuality, particularly among men in an obliged fashion, is a Normal conserve part of the human experience that basically there is a gender binary, that there is a small number of edge cases at a hardware level. There is a small number of cases meant at a software level. We have to be compassionate about all that, but we can't take compassion away from everyone else.

That's a message to both the left in the right. Stop saying there are only two sexes. It's offensive. And stop forcing people to say something so simmon lisc because you're threatening their children.

There is a story about winston churchill, le's father, though, wanted to tell you about. In september eighteen ninety three, churchill was admitted on his third attempt to the santer's military college. He wrote to his father, I was so glad to be able to send you the good news.

On thursday, his father, a formula tch chancellor of the exchequer and the leader of the house of commons, rode back a week later. The full text, the reply doesn't seem to be available, but we do have glimpses. You should be ashamed of your slovenly, happy, go lucky, harum scm style of work.

Never have I received a really good report of your conduct from any headmaster or tutor, always behind incessant complaints of a total one of application to your work. You have failed to get into the sixty of rifles to finance regiment in the army. You have imposed on me an extra charge of some two hundred pounds a year.

Do not think that i'm going to take the trouble of writing you long letters after every failure you committed undergo, I no longer attached the slightest way to anything you may say. If you cannot prevent yourself from leading the idle, useless and profit life you have had during your school days, you will become a mere social waste, one of the hundreds of public school failures, and you will degenerate into a shabby, unhappy and futile existence. You will have to bet all the blame for such misfortunes. Your mothers center love judge was nineteen.

Would you .

make them come on?

Tough to read. IT makes me think about what drove churchill to be the person that he became. IT makes me think about the Price again that people paid for the successes that others look at and have envy of, reveal, admire.

Remember, we don't know what drives people. They often don't know what drives them as well when they look sufficiently deep. But that's rough to read.

See more about that.

The guy goes on to be perhaps the greatest leader of the twin th century, one of the greatest leaders of all time. He stops .

not see germany .

on just this domino fall as they move through europe. Every single country that they come up against, the first one that they hit, that they find some proper resistance from, is the battle of britain. Up against britain.

He is prepared to play a game that nobody else in the british government is prepared to play, as a great book called churches. Ministry of ungentleman warfare. And basically the britz saw as they entered, worlds are too.

They saw the way that gilla warfare tactics were so uncool that one of the other military leaders was quoted as saying, if that's what IT takes to win, then I am prepared to lose. And churchill took whatever the opposite approach of that was. So he begins to find, relegate scientists and inventors, people that can do gara tactics.

They can break down bridges they can so distrust. And they they create the first limpid mine, underwater magnetic mine. And these guys are doing IT by buying up all of the condoms in villages so that they can water protect annecy balls that they know will reliably dissolve at the particular, all of these different things.

Just this crazy insight. That man, the slovan nly happy, go lucky, harm sarn style of work. If you cannot prevent yourself from leading the idle, useless and profitable life you have. I no longer attached the slightest weight to anything you may I know IT makes me sad to think that churches may have done so much great in his life, and yacht never felt enough because of the source code they had .

programmed into him. Yeah, unwinnable. Unwin able. Parental love is an incredible engine. But I also see love in that letter.

You see.

Magine there was no world war two. Imagine there was no not sea regime. What was he supposed to do with his life? Open at dry cleaner?

Was he supposed .

to become a .

vice president for inventories or large company? But what was winston churchill supposed to do? Absent ate off hitter?

God， this is just so hard to even talk about and think about. Greatness, you supposed to have great people under glass. I call this, you know, break glass.

In case of emergency people, we don't have any. If you had trouble now, who would you go to? Yeah, you're from the U.

K. I don't think you're biologist, but you know who David edinburgh is. What is the uk's .

opinion of David edinburgh?

Almost univerSally loved.

UniverSally loved? I don't know. You must know an next girl end because you said on, but yeah, he's national treasure of the U.

K. We suppose have tons of those people, I don't know of any. We'd beaten up everything we have.

And if if somebody attacks, you know, i've made this point before, but everybody focuses on the wrong speeches of navel chambon. You wanna get choked up, look at his resignation speech. That thing is a thing.

I wonder.

His point is this .

is the move .

that hitler doesn't see coming. Hitler does not see that i'm going to resign for the good of my country and that winston churchill has asked me to stay on. So .

you guys.

you guys Better know what you're doing because you can have, you can have us to deal with the U. K. Needs to get back in the game.

Let's just be honest about IT. I don't know what the health going on in the U. K. IT makes me very .

angry and .

very sick. I was IT, do you know, ditty some a state that winston churchill was that in the U.

K, not far from IT. Sounds like every other estate I was there .

for meeting was a quiet meeting. There were lots of people in the british foreign service there and they're all impeached, ly educated and spoke multiple languages and all this stuff they're all like moving about, you know oh, well.

you know, of course.

with the U. S, there's nothing really for us to do. And this is no longer the U.

K. Of the previous bobo. Like what the house wrong with you people? You have this incredible roll the play.

Yeah, there's definitely degree of not defeat sm, but yeah, like playing second string walk .

IT off did does your special forces are still the envy of the planet? Everybody knows how tough the the U K. Is when IT comes to special forces.

You're facility with the language is second to none and its not just that accent um it's the fact that you live IT culturally. There's so much um cortinez tolerance for accent tricity for brilliance, not just excEllence, that is deep in the english soul. And I have no idea what the U.

K. Is doing. Yeah, you're smaller. You lost your empire. Tough luck and walk IT up .

weve feels .

a little bit like someone who's given a ceremony.

Oh, stop. IT. No.

when you look at, let's say, there's a large debate that's going under some sort of meeting of of countries and the U. K. Is there and IT seems like that there is a token gesture to some bygone dynasty.

We must remember to invite the britz because it's important that they have a seat. The table. I I don't know, I don't I don't feel like we're forging forward in the world. I don't I don't know.

You are, aren't, aren't doing enough, weren't doing enough, but you want know from your little brother, get back in the game. Walk IT off, cut IT out. You're incredibly .

important .

to fear small. So you're relatively small as a market. And so what? Why did gym .

want enough .

to go over to the cavendish laboratories to do D. N. A? You know? Think about all the things that came out of the U.

K. I killed for the direct equation I have been invented in the U. S. Have some pride in yourselves.

There's a lot of criticism at the moment about multicultural ism in the U. K. What does that mean that as you enter, maybe he threw IT, maybe that work, maybe one of the tube stations coming out of the it's something like diversity is our strength is one of the tag lines, and there are a lot of people that know.

So let's fight this out. What I wanted do this really do. Undoubted you know many people of indian pakistani origin who speak with an ox jex ent right and they have including .

a prime minister.

all sorts of mineral sum had noticed the um. The U. K. Is also a software.

Product, you can teach people to think as if they've always been. Amy, let's be honest, your royal families partially. Gerber, um think about the U K, S.

Software product. Imagine that you can load that software into a mind no matter what the skin colour looks like. You it's the software that we're attached to much more than your hardware.

I don't think we're getting that level of integration.

IT depends with which groups. You have plenty of ashkan ii jews who are completely I mean, I just brought up paul iraq. Drock isn't A A typically british name, is french.

right? There are all sorts of people who are quite essential english. You worked historically. Now I have a good friend from way back markets to so toy, who never really thought about the fact that is, his life is totally french.

You know, what is the fellow, the royal society? Obe, whatever IT is IT is you know it's just yeah I I think you guys are much Better than you think you are and I don't know what I into your tea, but. We can't afford for the U.

K. In the angle phone universe to keep sobbing like this. Now I I chew out the australians all the time.

Like, my god, you have this great country far away from europe. This is your time to lead the stumbling when do something, do something with IT new zealand ders. Come on and guys.

No, I look, I am incredibly happy to be part of the angle phone world and not just in terms of the language, in terms of cultural norms, in terms of all of the things I say we've contributed to the world. I'm not british. I never held the british passport.

But I very much feel like, you know, the great science that came out of the U. K. Is part of my heritage, you know. And by the way, you know, look at a map of the names of surnames in scotland and ireland and it's like a whose who of everything that happened. It's just i'm so proud at some level of this tradition.

I sometimes tell somebody that you can tell that a man is only partially educated if the word hamilton's means something, because which hamilton, the hamilton of mathematical physics, the hamilton of biology, the hamilton of A U. S. Historical fame. I'm i'm very i'm very bullish on pride in the Angela phone universe. And we've gotta stop moving around and the U.

K. Is supposed to lead. It's been a while that there's a really awesome netflix series, world war two from the front lines called.

So we've used the combination of A I and dark chive footage to recover and put into four k this entire series and its outstanding. And there's one about the battle of britain. And it's been what I moved away from the U.

K. And I I had my problems with IT, and I tried for a long time to try sort of nudge the culture as best I could from with in my business or or whatever I was doing. And then just thought, but I can't.

I am trying to shovel sand away from the sea shore here, and it's just not working. So i've come over to amErica flurry since i've been here, but that was the first time watching that and looking at that degree of spirit. That was the first time in quite a while. And i've thought to myself, fucker, like, that's something that I can genuinely be proud of. It's been almost as long as I can remember since I genuinely thought i'm proud of being british.

Come to send teena. Seriously, you ve got a speck in the middle of the atlantic ocean, below the equator. I just spent a week there. Do you know that sadly not.

Did the first time I ever heard those two words put together in my life?

Okay, there are the remnants of the british empire called the british overseas territory, right? And you have, like gerbert in the ago, girsu essential interest into coin a pit, cn, all these sort of bits and pieces that is what's left. It's an island native around four thousand people, where in the polar died during a second exile after elba because I was so sick.

Y apparently the second most fortified island in the world after multi um it's an unbelievable place. People are incredibly proud of being british and I believe that William is going to visit at the end of this month then it's been twenty years since a royal visit prince. And in any event, one of the things that I loved about being in James townson Helena is the pride that people have in being british and being under the british order. And we just .

can't afford for you.

Got I mean, when I say lead IT doesn't mean the U S. Is cannot lead. You have a different leadership role. Use IT. We are in crisis right now.

We all remember what I would you know, IT sounds like to be winston in churchill, right? We know what that voice sounds like. And it's very painful for us that actually.

you know, i'm thinking back.

the problem is which diversity is our strength campaign. It's like some visual diversity. If you fly british airways and you look at that safety real, it's a joke. I mean, they are just trying to find everybody who they could find a you know who displays some kind of visual diversity, not the power of IT.

You know that in Michael a tear, he was the the master of trinity college, cambridge, one of the greatest mathematicians of all time, certainly of the twenty twenty century. The name of t is what? Levis, no, we thought about him as lebanese.

We thought about him as british. I I think you guys are much Better at this stuff than you think. And you fall for the wrong kind of diversity.

This kind of visual diverse followed of us. Yes, shared diversity. Don't be afraid to be british.

What you working on next? What's next to you?

Problem i'm supposed to say something like i've got a special coming up for um a book. I'm thinking about writing a book. But look.

the most important .

thing that I have is I have a possible expansion .

of our .

two main theories in physics. And nothing else compares to that. Even if it's wrong, a decent probability could be, you know imagine that were one and one hundred and one in a thousand, which far north of there, in my estimation.

that it's wrong.

It's right. That is right. I think it's much greater than those odds.

Of course, you have to believe that or wouldn't be working on IT, but it's also the case that aren't that many people who have even ball park level skills to say what a theory would be. um. That hope for me. Can you imagine if i'll just imagine next week somebody said, you know, access looks right. We could start dreaming .

about .

looking up at the night sky and seeing IT as a bucket list. Where do you want to go? You could ask questions about, is there any way to harvest the zero point energy from .

all the quana scl leaders?

You could say, is there dark chemistry? When you have dark matter, we can have dark matter at some level. This room is filled with dark matter.

New tinos are effectively dark matter. The only thing that can grab them is a gravity which is way too weak. And in the weak force, which is two weeks, so in general, but just being irradiated by a neutrino morning in the night.

And imagine that you had slow removing particles and you could build things with them, and they're just weren't coupled to the matter that we see here. So they passed through ordinary matter. If my theories work, they'll be incredible things to play with.

And one of things that I find fascinating is that IT becomes this issue of psychology. Like, why is he pretending that he has a theory? I'm not pretending.

Why does he think, you know, who does he think he is? And I just I look at and I just think, my god, you because have all lost the plot. The world right now needs hope.

and he needs a quest.

IT needs something for people to dream about. That isn't the same set of questions. One of the things that I I don't love about podcasting is that people tend to ask clustered questions and am always looking for that interviewer who is going to ask me things that are just like.

People haven't heard mostly what we do is we just do retreads of the same old questions, and it's not a critique of either one of us as interviewers. Just we don't know how to get out of our traffic circle where we go around and around. I'm trying to build the most exciting thing in the world, which is hope in the future. And access to the source code of reality to, through differential equations, geometric structures, the that sounds crazy .

to people out. Well.

look around you. How much of this was here in seventeen hundreds? Now go away. If if you're not understanding .

that we've changed.

we've progressed, you've lived through a time of stagnation. And i'm sorry about that. I can help you. Computers were the only thing that really, really took off during this period of time.

So think about if science progressed the way computers progressed over the last fifty years, your world would be completely unrecognizable. Now what do we have? We have a woods, table, mugs, exposed brick, glass, metal.

There's nothing here that's astonishing. Accept the computers, that thing that I pad, whatever is, is the only astonishing thing to somebody who is looking at this from the point of view of one thousand nine hundred seventy one. That's terrible.

Okay, so you've all lost the plot. Don't blame me that I haven't. That's what I work on. I'm going to try to make sure that you have options that your kids don't have to die on this planet. Elan is exactly right about the stuff. The only thing he has wrong, his chemical rockets in mars, i'm sorry he used that, is an advertise for space sex. But he was right about everything else.

Eric weinstein, ladies and gentleman, eric, I appreciate you. I always enjoy coming in, sitting down with you. These ones fly by.

I'm looking for the the next one for.