#867 - Vani Hari - Exposing The Food Industry’s Dangerous Lies
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From the scientists shaping america's understanding to the regulatory bodies meant to protect us, there are deep seated problems in the system. The fight to restore america's health has begun, but corruption and troubling ingredients in the food supply adjust the tip of the iceberg. Expect to learn why vanny took her fight straight to the front steps of collogue headquarters, why so many ingredients are approved in the U.

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with you and colleagues? colleagues. So two weeks ago, on october fifteen, F, I went to kilograms headquarters with four hundred thousand signatures, took them two kilos front door to ask them to remove artificial food dies and B, H, T from their cereals that they produced here in the united states.

But don't do this for countries like canada, all of the countries in europe, australia, india. So basically using one set of ingredients here in the united states that are more toxic in harmful towards little children, because artificial food dies are linked to hyperactivity, they require a warning label, a cigarette type warning label. In europe, when a product has artificial food dies, that says may cause adverse effects on activity and attention.

And children, they've seen that when they study, these different artificial food dies, they contain car senate. So they're linked to cancer. They cause otto ammon e disorders, sama asthma and also the chemical B H T, which is an indecent disrupting chemical that you find in the lining of cereal bags as a preservative.

They use that here in the united states, but they don't use that in other countries. So I have been demanding that collogue sell us the same, safer versions of their serials that they serving other countries. And i've been doing this for a really long time.

I've been doing this is for over a decade, in two thousand and fifteen. CAllan said that they were gonna these changes. They got world why press about making these changes.

They got a lot of craze publicly and through the media when they made this announcement. But then they never did IT. They said they would do IT by two thousand and eighteen. And instead they created new serials to hook modern children on today like baby shark and peeps and little mermaid and alpha shelf in all of these different trick or treat tight uh serials to to to get people to buy their serials. And it's really sad because not only did they lie to us, they continue to sell american children and inferior, less safe version of their serials is IT true .

that they make those serials in the same factories as these serials that don't have those same dies in. Is there any truth to.

at one point, I believe that canadian cereal was being produced here in the united states and they were shopping IT .

over over the water. I think .

canadian manufacturer now a factory, but ah that they had .

the capacity to do so. You know we're going to talk a lot today about h some of the monetarist activities, maybe of people's favorite high street food brands and stuff like that. why? Why do brands do this? Is a cheaper? Is IT lainez? Is that something new world order trying to sterilize the population? What's your a reasoning behind this? What is your justification that you think .

they're doing IT for? There's a few different reasons. The first reason is that a petroleum coal tar base die is cheaper to put into a product, then current juice, watermelon juice, blueberry juice, that they're using another countries to color these serials.

okay. In other products for that matter, it's cheaper. The second thing is IT doesn't break down as fast, right? Petroleum last, uh cactus you know goes rancid. So from a preservation standpoint of how long you can keep a cereal on the shelf, IT matters.

So it's all about money and it's all about greed in the same way they are you using B, H, T, the line, the insides of the serial banks. It's a preservation thing. And the fact that the fda has allowed our food companies here in the united states to create these chemicals, to approve these chemicals for use under their own safety data, not any third party regulating fashion.

This is happening in the few companies themselves. They've decided it's OK to use these chemicals. And the fda hasn't even reviewed, for example, red number forty since nineteen hundred seventy one, and they don't even know the amount that the american public is consuming at this point, which we've done some studies in data and there's been a uh studying done in purdue university about how the has been a dramatic increase in terms of over five hundred percent increase.

Sce food dies were introduced to our food supply in terms of how much were actually consuming as the american public. And this is something that um food companies continue to do because no one's holding them accountable. And this is why I had too march two kilo logue headquarters to do this because no one's doing IT. How much do you lay .

at the feet of the food companies? How much do you lay at the feet of the fda? And why is amErica so unique in? It's like this weird island food desert type thing, but it's not it's like a food additive desert. But what of food additive oasis?

right? Yeah we have we have the worst food system ah in the world and we have all of the big food companies that are american food companies making Better, safer in products overseas for all these other countries. And this is something that has to be addressed.

Um first of all, I believe that IT is a moral obligation and ethical obligation. If you can make your product safer, then you should do that. And not doing that is anti american, especially when it's an american company doing this.

And the worst part about IT is that these food companies know their product is causing harm. Because twenty years ago, when the south hampton study came out, european regulatory agency decided that they would put the cigarette type warning label on any product that contains dies. And when they did that, these food manufacturers in amErica didn't want that worrying label, they said, oh, no, we don't want to warn, you know, parents that this could cause hyperactivity.

So we're going to voluntarily remove these chemicals from our products, and we're going to create a safer version for all of these other countries that right there is completely sinister to find out that your product could cause this issue in children and decide not to change IT across the board. And that policy, that unethical business practice, has to stop with american companies. And that's why we have targeted kilos es first with our campaign.

And me and other amazing health leaders, doctors, activists are gonna go after the entire food industry at this point because this is something that's happening not only with colleagues, it's happening at mcDonald, it's happening with pepsi co. It's happening with general mills, it's happening at craft hinds. It's happening everywhere across the board. And I want to send a huge message to the food industry that they can get away with this anymore if they are already making a product that has less chemicals in a safer they had to do IT for their own american citizens.

What's the story of the food industry over the last few decades? How would you describe IT?

We've created a toxic soup press over the last fifty years. So years, the majority of food chemicals that have been produced and put into our food supply have been invented for one soul purpose, and that's to improve the bottom line, the food industry, everything from a preserve tive chemical to an addictive chemical that makes you eat more about product than you should.

The um the the mouth el the atmosphere ers the flavors that trick your old factory system in your head. Um every time you open up a package or you rip open up a bag, every single ingredient, I would say ninety nine percent of them, or there to make the food company's money and not improve our health. And so the majority of foods in the grocery store right now, I would say anything in a package or box or bag that doesn't have five or less ingredients is something that is literally harming your health because the ingredient itself, first of all, likely doesn't have safety data around IT.

There's this underline implication that when a food chemical or anything that fit introduced to the food supply goes through a rigorous testing at the fda, there is nobody at the F, D. A testing anything. They actually look at the data that the food companies themselves produce and they just let IT be called, generally regarded IT as safe. There's no one actually holding the food companies accountable and saying, hey, we need to look at these chemicals and see the safety data and prove that these chemicals are safe before we allow them in. Our food system .

is IT a hangover from previously, food was just food. That was something that you wait and maybe wrapped IT in plastic. There are only so many degrees of perversion and molestation that you could do with food. Where is something like a drug? You've going to release a drug into the market that we need to go through different trials and we need to do so.

And so but that now IT seems the a level of manipulation that happened to food and the different additives and the different preserve tips and the different Carrying methods that can be uh, included in them and even the design of them too is the the technology is getting to the stage where IT can become very, very far removed previously. But we're still working with an old framework, which is one food was largely just food and there was maybe a couple of different amendments that could be made this sort of, i'm gonna ss, sort of nineteen hundreds to sixties model. And then we start to pivot a little bit more as food technology becomes more advanced. Is that kind of what's going on? That is just not held to the same rigger the other industries that people consume are because we assume both food food just you know ads food.

Well, I mean, there's a couple things that play here. The food companies basically started to get bought up several years ago by the tobacco companies. And the tobacco companies started to use the same technology that they learned on how to hook americans to cigarettes in the world, to cigarette TTS, and basically use that same science and technology in in our, in our brains when we would start to eat process food.

And so they started to use this complicated kind of laboratory experiments where they would measure our bliss point in our brain, measure our taste response when we would eat a certain product, everything down from the type of tech shirt the product is. A lot of people don't know that process foods are manufactured in a way for you to consume them very fast. Uh, think about cheese balls, for example.

They melt in your mouth, right? Just digest them so quick. And so your buying does even have the time to catch up with its own society for you to stop, and you end up eating half the bag, right?

The same thing is with bread, if you get grocery store bread, a love of IT is so soft and so process that you could eat five, six, seven slices of that. In the same time, IT would take you to eat salad, do bread that you would make in your, in your up, in at home where you have to, you know, really choose through the css. You really have, you know, take your time to chew IT and eat IT and your body in your society, hormones and everything start to work and you're like, okay, i've had enough bread.

But that's not the case with process food. It's literally manufactured so that you eat more than you should. And everything from the texture to the taste to the flavors that they add in the different attitudes that they add.

I think I want to talk about natural flavoring. This is something that seems so innocuous that it's on the label and you're like, oh, it's from nature. It's natural flavors but no IT can be thousands of different chemicals under that label that create a flavor in your brain that you remember and that you crave and you taste that. And you're like, I have to eat one more. And without that flavor component, the food manufacturers would would really be a in, in, in a lot of hurt because we would stop eating that just a little bit.

It's kind of bit I am thinking about this from the standpoint of the food manufacturers that what we're asking them to do is almost make foods less palatable ble. They need to be less enjoyable. You think what who wants that? He wants food to be less enjoyable.

Surely the job of a food design company is, is to make foods that a tasty and people enjoy them and they want to have them, and sure, maybe they get them to eat more, and that, you know, capitalism or whatever. So is that your stands? That there is A A step change in how theyve been able to hack a physiology all factory system, our texture detection of fiction as is known. Um they've been able to get in and play now sort of outside the bounds of what is reasonable for food companies to do because assuming going to guess, you know going to say all foods need to taste like gravel and IT should make the experiences unenjoyable as possible for everybody involved.

Like, listen, real food does not chase like gravel, right? I mean, I I need a real food die. I love that.

Anything that I have for breakfast, lunch and dinner, I think IT tastes amazing. But I I stay the same way. My health is is, is awesome because i'm eating real food with real nutrition. And there's in my body isn't being subjected to these food industry tricks that have happened at a level that I can even comprehend. I mean, our entire food system has been web ized against the human body to the point now our rates of chronic disease or astronomical. I mean, like literally, we were going to have a situation where we are going to break down as a human society, unless we take a look at this and see what's been done and people know the truth.

How much do you lay at the feet of ultra processed, calorie dense, hyper palatable foods that are easy for people to find, consuming too much of, and how much you lay at the feet of these specific ingredients and indication disrupting effect and so on. And so far that seems to me, and that most of the arguments come from either a overconsumption side leading to higher bm s downers ing from that lots of health problems. But then there's this sort of other area, which is maybe to do with what the constituent parts of these words and so and so forth. How do you come to think about these two areas?

We both of them are synthetic c. You know, both of them are problematic. And you know you've got, on one hand, the overconsumption of food that that is not nutritious. It's actually not doing anything for your medical ria in your body. Uh it's leading to metaphor c syndrome and that leads to so many different cropping diseases.

Um what metals lic syndrome, sorry.

metal bolic syd's me is um a condition that happens in your body that basically turns on factors for diabetes and cancer and heart disease um and basically is when the organs in your body stop functioning, your liver, your pancreas, other other parts of your digestive system actually stop functioning so that you become more instant sensitive, you become more prone to cancer. You become more reluctant to have heart disease and so this is something that doctor casey means and calling means talk about in their book, good energy that this is something that is literally attacking the entire body when we're eating this food and and it's up to us to really know the truth about what this food is.

And if IT is even food, I mean, can you even call IT that at that point, when you know fifty, sixty different chemicals and in a subway sandwich, or you in a in a chick face image for that matter? Um it's it's something that we have to take A A good look at in terms of how these chemicals in or change with each other. But here's why I think i've been effective at getting people's attention.

Because I broken down these chemicals for people to understand, and i've told them why they're there and why the food industry is using them. And they decide on their own that, hey, i'm not going to be part of this experiment anymore. I don't want that chemical in my body if IT, if IT is taken out in a study, whether IT causes hyperactivity or if it's linked to cancer, if IT has some indecent disrupting property, those are all reasons not to consume those chemicals.

And I think those are strong reasons. But what that does also is IT puts a note in the person's brain of, like, wait a minute, I shouldn't eat that much of this food either. And so they don't bring IT in their house as much.

And so for me, my methodology has always been ingredient. You read the ingredients. If you don't recognize ingredient, you don't understand that, you need to go find out why. And this is part of my book, feeding you lies at the end. I take people through a three part question that they need to sit down.

And every time they sit down to eat, they need to ask themselves, number one, where are the ingredients? Number two, are these ingredients nutritious? Number three, where the ingredients come from. If you can answer those three questions about what you're eating, you need to go find out. And when you go find out, you will learn so much about your diet and your food that you will automatically start to make Better choices.

And you don't need to be a nutritionist or or food science or share anything to know if whether those ingredients or nutritious or not because if you know what the ingredient is and will give you a really good example in bread, in a lot of process foods, you'll see this ingredient and nobody knows why it's there. And unless they were actually go look at up and and teach themselves its mono die glor rides, okay, this is a food industry manufactured product that I used to replacing ansata on the fda ban transferred because I was linked to ten thousand heart attacks a year and in in several deaths. Okay, when they banned this chemical, partially, how dorinet royals from our our food system, the food manufacturer, had to find a way to still preserve oils in products and they came up with this one of diggle's ze.

And so IT still even has you know a trace amounts of transfer s in in its A A chemical they're using from a preservation standpoint. If you see that on a product that you're eating, when you when you sit down to eat, you should automatically know that's not for my health, that's not for my nutrition, that's not gona serve my body. That's there for the food industry.

And so if you start to make decisions, hey, i'm not gonna buy products with those chemicals anymore. You're automatically gona eliminate several thousand different products on the grocery store shelves. And it's it's absolutely a critical thing. People have to .

learn what are your hitlist of what are the biggest concerns you've got in terms of ingredients. You have just mentioned one B, H, T was something else. Uh, so we're talking about, I guess, packaging. Um what are the main culprits and a way that probably an awful a lot. What are the ones that Carrying most of the weight.

doing most of the damage in your opinion? Yeah, any kind of processed seed oil, so cotton seed oil, canola oil, corn oil, soil oil, the majority of those come from genetically engineered seeds that are designed to withstand heavy doses of glivec, which has now been linked to cancer in many different court cases across united states and and awarded juries. I'm sorry, plenty tips, billions of dollars.

Okay, so this is a close shot case on our our oils are being produced with this very toxic chemical. Then the way the oils are actually extracted, they're extracting with hack sane in different chemicals, deodorizing and bleach agents before they get to the supermarket. And the fda, unfortunately, does not monitor the residues of things like hack saying that are left in a lot of these oils, not to mention cotton seed oil is something that is actually produced from the text style industry.

This is not even regulated like a food. It's a textile. So IT has way worse pesticides and chemicals allowed for use on cotton.

But they found out that they can use this buy product in our food system and it's actually one of the what what was the main ingredient in Chris o and uh, in transfers for so long until I think a lot of my manufacturer have started to remove currency all although you see all the time, it's everywhere. And this is something that is pervasive in our food supply. And so when i'm looking for a probe to buy on the shelf, I look for things, maybe oil, oil.

I look things for made with coconut oil. I look for things made with ovoid to oil, and that's about IT. And I use grasped butter and be at home to cook with.

And I eliminate all sea oil. So that's like the first thing that you would wanted do. The second ingredient is high fruit s corn syrup.

Not only is that also made from genetically engineered corn and have all those chemicals associated with the crops, but the way it's produced also disrupts your IT primes. You for mental olic syndrome, me IT crimes, your body for inland insulin resistance. And so this is something you want to take out of your diet.

And this is you'll find everywhere it's in coa cola, it's in sota. It's in the majority of things that you find on grocery store shelves, unfortunately. Then you want to to look at.

no, no, no, i'm enthrall keep going.

And then you want to look at all of the different artificial ingredients that are allowed in food. I'll give you a great example. Red number three was banned in cosmetics because IT caused cancer, but when the when they were ready to ban IT in food, the alcohol industry lobbed the fda and said, no, you need to allow IT still in food because IT makes our Cherry that we have in all of our popular alcoholic drinks red.

And so we need to keep my shew cheries with that red number three dies. So you need to still allow IT in food. So you can't use IT a lipstick, but it's still allowed in food.

And that shows you what a wild, wild west kind of situation we have with our government agencies and how they're completely coated ted by industry. And one of the things that I think needs to happen immediately at the fda is remove all industry funding from the fda and that should be a government funded a organization. IT should not have any type of um industry funding coming into IT talk .

to me about the conflict of interest in studies and food scientists and stuff like that.

Well one of the things that has happened recently and I wrote about IT in my book feeding you lies, is the food industry will use groups that look very reputable to defend their chemicals and their their food Green policies, right? They will higher corporate. Uh, you know, different organizations.

Like, i'll give you one great example, the 呃 the american council of science in health sounds so repetitive， sounds so like you. Yes, we need to listen to the american council of science and health, but this is an organization that is taken funding IT. IT was it's like the whose who of corporations, everyone from being farmer, big cam and big food, they've taken money from kilos.

They've taken money from coca cola. They've taken money from bear. They've taken money from sand. Jenna mcDonald, I mean, IT is insane.

And their main objective is to do character assassination on anyone who is speaking out about their products, and then to also confuse the public into thinking, consuming these chemicals and these foods are completely safe. And they just released a hit, peace on myself and even mendez, who is I, yeah, you saw. So a huge supporter of a our campaign on kilograms and doctor will call and and this is what they do.

And back in the day when I was going up against a lot of these food giants, I was very nip. I didn't know that I would literally have paid organizations trying to take me down. And IT was that I was pretty much right after I think I got subway to remove, as odie car bonomy ed, a chemical that you find in yoga ATS and shoe rubber you know, if you turn a yoga att sideways and you look at the the the air bubbles, it's like eating .

IT looks like a sub. Oh no.

Well, well, it's evenly diverses. The air bubbles in rubber, what does the same thing in bread? And so they want the bread to look and feel the same in every single subway.

You know, that's that's what fast food is, right? You wanted to be the same in uniform. And so, uh, this was a chemical they were not using in other countries.

Uh, if you ve got caught using IT in singapore, you've got fine for ign fifty thousand dollars. And I petition subway to remove this chemical because I didn't think eating that chemicals is eating fresh. And mr.

Obama, at the time, had partnered with subway in her lets move campaign. And I like, wait a minute, does SHE not know the truth about subway, that there is closed to fifteen redirects in a in in the piece of of bread at subway, like he needs to know. And so I started this petition, and IT went so viral that the company, by the end of the week, made the decision to remove the chemical.

And not only that, but every single bread manufacturer in amErica virtually removed the chemical tools. So we shut down the as odie carbonic ied chemical factory. okay? So you can only imagine how much money was involved with reformulate, removing that chemical, changing all the ingredients lists, all the packages in all of the things that the food industry had to do at that point.

You a big spanner in the works of a lot of the Operations.

Yeah, they were not. They were not happy. And so as a result, I started to be targeted by these organizations, these front groups, and paid for quote on to independent experts that started to show up.

And every single article that was detAiling my work, on one hand, I would say, no, vanny has gotten these chemicals out with her food, bb army and all these concerned citizens. And on the other hand, SHE doesn't know what she's talking about. She's to do scientists.

She's got no education SHE. SHE has no right to talk about any of these chemicals. And uh SHE, uh is done as a dornell she's a food bim bow uh SHE gets out.

No that was that was the headline of one of the biggest lobbies against me and and for the food industry. And um he's court on he's his nickname, his daughter evil because he he does that I mean he was against mothers for drunk driver. I mean he's just an evil man but uh that was a headline and the I think I was at the washington post food bamboo um.

Another one is he gets on all these programs because she's easier to look at. That was written by a professor in mega university in canada who was getting paid by monster bear um to to attack me, which I found out through iram m information request acts that I submitted to his university. Uh, these are the conversations that were having to destroy my character at the time. And because I was so unaware of what was going to go down taking on the industry, I became very scared because they went hard. Core mean death threats, rate threats, people coming by my house, every single talk I gave that was a public talk, had to have security there because people are trying to shut down the conversation.

Presumably that's not Operators from collogue or monsanto sending you that directly. Presumably that people who are downstream from the news articles and that have read the criticisms of you and stuff like that.

yeah so IT was being funded by the chemical and food industry. However, they were using these front groups that you can't tell what the industry fund ings happening behind the scenes because they hide IT. And we weren't able to discover a lot of this until we were able to see IT through for a documentation that this was actually happening.

And then on top of that, there was in this just happened three weeks ago, lighting reports released a expose about a private social network that was being funded, directed by the communications director at monsanto. Hold information about critics to the chemical and food industries. Personal data, personal information, your, my address, my parents phone numbers, my parents names, my spouse name are on my profile, a three page, a dousa on how in in doxy information on given to people of the chemical industry and a the entire chemical industry to use this information against me anytime that my name would come up.

And this is this was just found out um three weeks ago and it's an incredible investigation. I'm still actually comprehending IT, but this even IT was allowed to exist. But the worst part of IT all was that the government was funding ss through a program called U S A I D. And so the god, her man and the chemical corporation for working hand in hand against activists like myself and other people were in their two notable people, like Michael polin bunda a shiva, other activists who have spoken out about the food companies.

So, so to say that not your number one fan, probably the moment .

you know the new ork times coin me public enemy number one of the food industry and I take that badge with a lot of cried because honestly, it's it's. It's something that. I i've had to i've had to grapple with becoming an activist because it's been very hard on me personally and terms of being able to withstand these attacks, keep going and keep sharing this information and not letting IT distract me.

And for a while, I would say, about ten years ago, I was very distracting to the point where I almost stopped and IT wasn't until I really took a moment in, in, in, went inside and prayed and decided that what I was doing was bigger than myself, that what I was doing was not about boney, the vessel, me as a person. This was for the health of the world and for the right, for people to know the truth about what's happened to the food industry. And I done deep into the power in the passion that I have, because I remember the little girl who I was so sick on, nine prescription drugs, hitting rock bottom and wanting to change with my health.

And I didn't know where to start, and I didn't know what to do. And thank goodness I found out the truth about the food industry and remove the process foods from my diet and went to real food and now realize a level of health that I never thought was possible. I don't think I went, have been here today alive, had I continued the lifestyle that I was on.

And there are so many people out there that are like me, and they continue to walk around completely web ized by these food chemicals in these different um um ingredients that are in their body that are reached havoc on them. And they are very trusting of the food industry. And when my parents came here to the united states in one thousand nine hundred and sixty, they didn't know any of this information, but no one knew this information that this was being done to our food supply.

They were, they were like, wow, you can get a hamburger and a Donald for dollar. This is fantastic. I can feed my kids.

This is amazing. Very fast. You are busy working. I'm trying to make a name for myself. I'm trying to know my my parents were about teachers and so they were always working. And and IT was like, they just wanted to feed their kids like real, you know, just any kind of food. And IT was, they didn't know that was so fake.

And now this information, because of the internet and because of social media, I feel like we have a really unique point in time right now where we can wake up the world, and something that is so failed that is happening in in the political landscape, that people are listening. And now not only the democrats who who IT was largely a democrat liberal issue to talk about the environment and the health and these chemicals, the other side is now talking about IT too. And I can't think of anything Better for this country then for everyone to know the truth about the food industry.

And IT has been the most exciting time of my career in the last two months because of this happening. I mean, I literally, when I saw on national news political candidates talking about chemicals in the way that they or my my job is just wild open. I just couldn't even believe IT. And not only has this kind of woken up the world, but it's now a time where I really think that we might have an opportunity because of this widespread awareness to enact real change.

You mentioned before you had to run in with chick slay. I quite like chick slay. Can you just explain that some of the people listening, what are your lowest drank most concerning american food establishments, and then where what is some options that people can go to that you think are a little bit Better?

So let me just get this straight. You like to fly.

I love the taste of chick flie good.

Everyone loves the chip. Taste of check my mouth the, oh, it's fantastic. Are you kidding me? And they've engineered IT that way.

The second ingredient in a chicken fly chicken sandwiches model sodium blue to make monosodium blue. Da mate. M, S, G is added to chick full lay so that you remember the flavor. Your mouth starts watering. You want to to have that sandwich.

You, you, you love IT, right? And M S C is one of those additives that when they are studying in obesity related diseases, they give to rats to make them fat so that they eat more than they should, and they crave the flavor, and they keep eating and eating and eating. And so for me, when I found out that was the second ingredient at chick slay, I lost my, I was mad.

I was really mad. And I was so mad that I wrote an article called chemical fay, or chick fly, because I had close to a hundred ingredients. Not I mean that that's just one of the problem.

Had a congress ents in in juli, but several others and and IT went so viral that the company reached out to me and invited me to their headquarters. And when they invite me their headquarters, I had to take off from my regular daily job. I was not when I was right, when I initially was starting my blog, food, baby, I was doing that.

Just speak for my own passion. So IT wasn't IT wasn't to make money or do anything like that. I was, I was, I was a banker, know, I was a consultant. That was my daily job. And this is what I was passionate about and what I would write about in the evening and all the weekends.

And so when my article went viral and the headquarters to consult, and I had to take off work, IT was that moment that I was like, wait, in IT, i'm consulting all these big financial institutions. This doesn't really mean much to me, but consulting with chick fully and changing their ingredients like that real change. And like, wow, I could really change the food industry. And that's when after that meeting, in the subsequent changes, that trick fully I made as a result of the that meeting, convinced me that I should quit, quit my job to do this full time. okay.

So who else is on the hit list? I've seen floating around, uh, a mcDonald's comparison between fries in like the U. K.

And europe and in america. You're already mentioned subway. Who else is on the the head? listen. And what are you worried about that they've .

got in their foods? So yeah, let's just talk about mcDonald. You've got mo aldis in the U.

K. Three ingredients, and insult is optional. Very simple. Here in united states is over fourteen. And you've got the chemical called dyna oxi e. It's an ingredient that can be preserved with for malahide, according to the fda. Although there is no safety data on this chemical, it's the main ingredient in silly party and when when it's combined T B H Q, which is another crazy chemical that's a preservation that you'll find and rees peanut butter cups here in the united states but not in japan um this T B H Q ingredients turns on your immune response, so become moral allergenic to your surroundings, in your environment. And if you're ready allergic to something IT trigger that they are.

are they preserve tips. What's the justification for them being in the food presumedly? Not, no reason.

So the T V H Q is a preservation for the oil and diameter police slog, saying is a anti foaming agent so that they don't have to change the oil as often at fast food places that metal police oxy, by the way, is is there a lot of fast food french rise, not just mcDonald um and this is something that you will also find, which I when I did drink soda, I always thought a fountain soda always tasted Better. I don't know why, but you will find this in a fountain diet coke, where you will not find IT on the label of a diet coke that you buy in a bottle. But when it's coming out of a fountain, they add diameter police to oxide to diet coke.

Who's Better? Who who where can I eat? That gona shouted me for going to.

I personally just want you to stop eating a chick fully.

Well, look, me, give me another option. Where else going to go?

Um where do you .

live .

is okay? God, you have so many good places to eat. Well, you go to true food kitchen. Um you uh you can go to polite to lazer great option. They removed all gmos as a result of one of my campaigns as well um and they have probably the least amount of chemicals in their food in terms of a fast food um sweet Green. Do you have sweet Green there?

multiple?

They removed all sea oils that conclude option for fast food.

What about flower child?

Love flower child a lot of their ingredients or organic. They've also removed most sea oils. Um you know I would also say make your own food, Chris, come on.

You can look. So this is the point I really I really wanted to get into, which I think is for the food food purists out there. And you know kelley's been on the show.

He's fantastic. Um i'm really interested in the work that you're doing at the moment of been a dinner K A bunch of times. It's it's great to hear this mostly whole real food from a variety of sources as unmothered as possible.

I get IT, but I think that the biggest barrier to entry to a lot of people, a lot of people that list to the show, people like me, is just convenience, busy. Um we need to be able to baLance the things that we want to do in life. And I know I know that you know, if you eat sufficiently badly, talking about what what i'm doing is i'm saving myself time because i'm so busy like you're gonna lose time if you get second future.

I understand that it's a value trade, but I think that we kind of need to meet people where there are. And where i'm at is someone who a lot of the time doesn't have all that much time. Actually, I get into the nuts and bolts of of cooking stuff.

And you know this, I get to two elements there. First off, how can someone shot Better in the supermarket? And secondary, ah what are the labels you've mentioned? The some perverse incentives, uh, regulatory bodies and agencies and stuff.

What U S D A is U S D A any good? I ve heard organic doesn't actually mean all that good. But maybe IT does have heard that non G M O is maybe not all it's crack up to be.

What are the things that people should be looking for beyond not too many ingredients in the food? Obviously, how can people shop more effectively? Emotion be looking for on packaging?

yeah. So let me just describe you my favourite fast food. First of all, whenever I am strap for time, this is my favorite fast food a smoothly.

And this is one of the reasons why I started my company, travann, where I created a protein powder with the least amount of unnecessary chemicals as possible, with all real food. And you, like our vanilla, has five reilly ingredients, all that you would recognize. And so I start off with that.

But then I add fresh Greens, whatever I have growing in my art. If you don't have a garden, no big deal, just buy Greens from the store salary. Cucumber, lemon, ginger and then I add fruit and sometimes avocado for a little bit of fatter or some hempseed.

And that IT and that shake is so delicious and so nutritious. It's got all of my vegetables. It's got the protein.

It's got fruit, it's got everything, all the fiber that I need in there because everything's intact, it's in a smoothly and I consume that IT takes me less than ten minutes to make and in its all real food ingredients. And it's fast. It's much faster than going to the drive through and it's much Better on your body.

So that's my hack for fast food. And I almost have that every single day for a lunch because i'm working through lunch like like two kids. Things are busy right?

Um the second thing is when you're shopping at the grocery store, choose the parameter, you know all the fruits investigate not scenes logos um whole grains like kwa OS um Brown rice or or even regular rice is fine um just choose or onic because organic has less arsenic passus ed ends uh paster raised uh or grasped uh cheese I I do a lot of goat cheese uh that I love because go cheese is just easier digest. I I love um any kind of yogurt um that are grasped. I like I love a coconut yogurt.

If you're began it's called coco june great and so delicious they have an unsweet and vella version that's fantastic. Um I eat a lot of cheer seeds um different nuts and then you know means make sure their grasped passed to raise. You can order any kind of sustainable meat now on the internet and have IT shipped your door frozen and have IT ready stocked ed to go.

And all you have to do is remember to defrost IT. Really, you can you can defrost things fast too, but remember to defrost things the night before. Just plan out your meals so that you're not stuck in that situation of o gosh, I am so hungry.

The only thing that I can eat right now, this fast food, because I don't want to think about what to eat and how to prepare IT and do whatever. And you just need to come up with five or six meals that you can repeat at home that your family loves. And this is one of the reasons why i've written two cookbooks, food bag kitchen and food bag family, with things that the whole family can sit down and eat.

You're not making different things for each person. And being a short order cook, you're eating one males of family. Everybody likes IT. It's it's nutritious, it's real food and it's fast.

I don't like spending you know all day in the kitchen and you know I want things to be thirty minutes or less. And so a lot of my recipes are that way. So I would highly recommend that.

Number one, you start cooking at home, you pick the ingredients yourself, you know what you're eating. That's going to be the the best solution to the situation that we're in, in terms of our food system. And that's the way i've decided to be in my own life. And to live this way is to be you.

It's very unconventional to live a real food lifestyle because every time you go out to your house, you're being indicated with these processes oos everything from the check out at the girls, you store, the fast food convenience places, all the places in the airport, all the places at any kind of event, whether it's a sporting event or a show or anything else, is always pure crap. You have to make a revolutionary act in your own life to say, you know what, i'm not gonna be part of that system anymore. I'm going to bring my own food to these places. I'm going to take my own play food on the airplane. I'm going to take my own food into the show um because they don't have anything worth eating.

How do you advise people to deal with what I imagine will be in increasing problem as your platform grows? And maybe people are feelingless today, which is sort of health aniele. You know, if the permanently very violent on the lookout, maybe it's got mono, fox, rick, whatever the fuck in IT, how do how do you advise? Because it's this is going to be a slow transition for a lot of people.

It's not that day, the clouds parted, and I listen to vanny talking, and ee said to me that and I never write process foods again. You know, you know, you're going to you're gonna have a baseball game and be solving hungry. You're gonna be on a road trip and you're going to end up doing this stuff if you're going to be at someone's party and you don't get to check, I like you're taking us out for dinner and i'm going to bring my own thermos with like hot food from home like that's not going to happen. So how do you advise people to, you know, take on board what you're saying with the right amount of a concern that they probably need to have? While's not going right, my fucking in life over, I might as well die now.

right? Well, first thought you just need to stop making excuses. Because honestly, in order to live a healthy life in the system that we have, we have to be, we have to have those situations. So you might bring your own food to a party, you know your own dish that you eat, right, because you know everything else is crap, but you're contributing to the party, you're still there.

You're having a good time like you may have to do those situations, i'm just gonna to say because depending upon the lifestyle you live, if you're in those situations a lot that can really take a toll on your body, right? So if you are in control of your food, I would say eighty percent of the time you are gonna be in a good shape. And then so that allows you that other twenty percent to, like be in those situations where you're caught with your your pants down, right, and you don't have some snack available or some food available and you need to eat something.

And i've been in those situations where like, literally there's nothing to eat that I would choose Normally and sometimes I just decide to fast, right? I mean, hey, I can wait till till I get to where i'm going and get something Better. But majority of times you can make Better choices.

There's always a banana, there's always an apple. There's always some plain omens available at the airport, right? There's always an option for one ingredient food. And so that's what I I tell people to do. And and again, if you're in the circumstances a lot, then you need to really make a choice whether you want to stop to do that.

find them more effectively. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I think remember when intimate fasting became a really big thing in the body building world? There's another version called carb night.

Cb backloaded was A A version of this way. You would fight basically a macro fasting throughout the day. Then you'd have your cups in the evening time. What most people are doing is the setting very easy to follow rules that restrict them in simple ways, bright lines in the ground. No decision needs to be made.

I get the sense that the recent transition to a specifically diet like carnival and then most recently, the hips, the trend version meeting and fruit, uh, which is what i'm doing currently. Uh, I think that that is kind of the equivalent of the elimination diet thing, which is bright lines in the ground. But instead of aiming to get you into a calorie deficit, what is aiming to do is restrict than the Victors of potential infection from foods that have been highly processed.

If you go look, if I just. Six things, I can just sort my health out for a while. So i'm i'm detoxing from a variety of different problems at the moment. Auto immune amErica does not like, uh, foreigners, a shock, horror, no matter what, people on the right may criticize democrats.

Definitely this environment is not very conducive to immigrants coming in, uh, because IT tries to kill you are through the food and through the building standards and through the climates and through the insects and through everything else. At my point being, I would not be surprised if we see more people taking up these more extreme causing elimination style diets, very restrictive style diets in terms of what you're eating and not from the bro. I'm gna get jacked and look at how the I am perspective, but more so from me, if I only have a very small number of things in my diet, i'm hopefull going to be able to eliminate some of the stuff that was maybe messing with my health.

Yeah, you know, I think the reason why some elimination diets work is because you will remove so many foods from your diet. And so IT ends up working in terms of like losing way or whatever. But then when you add those foods back, that's you gain the weight back and you end up in this like kind of a yu cycle.

And the only thing they have found, researchers have found that actually work full time and long term, is removing process foods altogether, right? If you eat real food, and let's say, less ten percent of its processed, that is the diet that literally with stands all of the other diet literature out there, far as far as what actually works long term and keeps you off of that. You your diet straining.

And i've seen that in my own body. Having two children, where I, you know, I was a little concern, was like, well, i've gained forty pounds having this child. Like, if I can be able to lose this and I going to be one of those people that just can't lose IT.

And IT naturally left my body because I wit my diet and change. I'm still eating real food. I'm trying eat as real as possible because i'm now nurturing my baby baby through breast milk and IT just went off naturally.

I didn't have to die and I didn't have to work. Go on some workout program. I didn't have to do anything extreme. It's because I was eating real food this entire time and it's I ve been able to maintain my weight now for twenty years and and not have to do anything of streaming.

So like I my my plea to all the people out there that are struggling with weight is go to real food because real food will send the signals to your brain for you to stop eating IT will send the signals to your body to be healthy IT will a limit. You will get off your prescription drugs. You will start to realize a level of help that you never thought was possible.

And even more than all of that, those aesthetic reasons, right? In internal health reasons, I think there's a bigger thing at play. I don't think people's brains can function at the highest level that IT needs to function until you get real nutrition and real food, and you will not find out who you are meant to be in this world and give back to the world in the way that you're supposed to until you get your body completely clean of all of these chemicals.

Funny hurry, ladies and gentleman faddy I watching with the a combination of fascination and trepidation uh for the stuff that you're doing and the words that you, uh, insist on getting yourself into. Why should people go if you want to keep up today with the stuff getting up to?

Just come on over the food babe dot com and the food babe on all social media. And thank you for having me. Yes.

thank you. I preciate you. Thank you.