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Hidden Mortgage Market Shifts Are Creating Opportunities | Matt Jozoff of Trevally Capital

2025/4/24
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我观察到Ginnie Mae市场规模的显著增长,从2009年的5000亿美元增长到现在的2.5万亿美元。该市场包含大量信用评级较低的借款人,他们获得的利率在私营部门可能无法获得,因此违约率较高。此外,贷款机构构成也发生了重大变化,从银行主导转向非银行主导。 由于利率上升,大多数抵押贷款不再具有经济上的再融资价值,这使得提前还款主要来自房屋周转和违约。我们专注于利用这些市场变化来获取超额收益,通过对提前还款模式的深入研究和建模,识别并量化潜在的投资机会。 我们的策略是识别那些以低于面值价格交易且可能提前还款的抵押贷款,以及那些不太可能提前还款的抵押贷款。通过结合不同类型的抵押贷款证券,例如仅利息证券和仅本金证券,我们可以优化投资组合的风险和收益,从而在市场中获得超额收益。 我们团队拥有丰富的抵押贷款市场经验,这对于我们的策略至关重要。我们拥有强大的分析能力和数据资源,能够对市场进行深入分析,并识别潜在的投资机会。我们与Raptor和Seaport Global Securities等合作伙伴的合作,为我们提供了必要的资金和资源,使我们能够建立一个强大的平台,并持续改进我们的分析模型。 我们不预测Fannie Mae和Freddie Mac的资本重组和释放,但我们关注的是影响抵押贷款提前还款的因素,并通过多种策略来应对潜在的影响。我们相信,在机构MBS领域,还有很多机会可以利用。

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The Ginnie Mae market has grown significantly, reaching $2.5 trillion, a fivefold increase since 2009. This growth is accompanied by a shift in lender composition from banks to non-banks and involves a substantial number of low-credit borrowers. This situation raises questions about market transparency, liquidity, and investor allocations in the face of market volatility.
  • Ginnie Mae market grew from $500 billion in 2009 to $2.5 trillion currently.
  • 700 FICO score borrowers constitute a significant portion of the Ginnie Mae market, with half having scores above and half below 700.
  • Lending composition shifted from 80% banks to 80% non-banks.
  • Market volatility prompts reassessment of investor allocations toward private credit and less liquid alternatives.

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Matt Jozoff, co-CEO, Portfolio Manager, and Head of Macro Research at Trevally Capital joins *Other People’s Money, *to discuss how trends like the growth in the Ginnie Mae market, low credit borrowers and non-bank originators, and other factors are affecting mortgage prepayments and creating opportunities in the mortgage market for firms like Trevally Capital. He also discusses how Trevally Capital is looking to extract alpha from these opportunities and build a world-class institutional asset manager with the backing of partners like The Raptor Group and Seaport Global Securities.

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Timestamps

00:00 Intro

01:33 Post-Tariff Fixed Income Market Update

06:49 Recent Mortgage Market Developments

10:45 Ginnie Mae Mortgages

12:04 Not Calling For Another Mortgage Crisis

13:42 Nobody Can Afford Refinancing

17:24 Trump Admin and Fannie & Freddie

21:08 Factors Affecting Mortgage Prepayments

28:27 Day one Institutional Quality

34:53 Prepayments Part II

39:04 Importance of Seed Investors like Raptor & Seaport Global

42:07 Hedge Fund Seed Investing is Venture Capital

43:55 Peers & Competitors in the Mortgage Market

49:36 Physics & Cincinnati Connection