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Rumors of Job Market Demise Have Been Greatly Exaggerated | Jack Farley & Max Wiethe

2024/12/8
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Jack Farley:就11月就业报告中的零售业数据进行分析,认为零售业就业人数下降并非灾难性信号,因为历史数据显示11月零售业就业增减幅度波动较大,且零售业本身正处于长期下滑趋势。他还分析了机构调查和家庭调查结果的差异,认为数据质量下降可能是导致这种差异的原因之一。此外,他还讨论了当前货币政策的有效性,认为其效力下降与美国经济的负债和利率敏感性结构有关,而非政府债务规模。最后,他还对股市走势进行分析,认为股市高估值是不可否认的事实,但相对于其他风险资产,股票的吸引力有所提升。 Max Wiethe:就医疗保健行业就业增长强劲的原因进行分析,认为这主要由人口老龄化和医疗行政成本增加共同驱动。他还讨论了日本央行的政策决策受到财政状况的影响,并对当前美国利率水平是否具有限制性进行了分析,认为其具有限制性,但经济依然强劲,这体现了经济的相对性和复杂性。最后,他还对股市走势进行分析,认为当前股市上涨并非完全由基本面驱动,税收因素和市场情绪可能起到了更大的作用;关税政策的不确定性是股市面临的主要风险。

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How did the job market perform in November 2024 according to the latest jobs report?

The job market added 227,000 jobs in November 2024, slightly above the market's expectation of 200,000. The unemployment rate ticked up from 4.14% to 4.24%, increasing by 10 basis points.

Why is the decline in retail jobs before Black Friday not a bad sign?

Over the past 10 years, the retail sector has shown an average gain of 640,000 jobs in November, but this number includes both positive and negative changes. The sector is in secular decline due to online shopping, and losing 28,000 jobs is not unusual or indicative of a broader economic issue.

What is the divergence between the household survey and the establishment survey, and how persistent has it been?

The household survey showed a decline in employment by 368,000 in November, while the establishment survey (non-farm payrolls) showed an increase of 227,000 jobs. This divergence has been persistent, with the household survey showing flat employment over the past year, while the establishment survey shows strong job growth.

Why is the quality of economic data deteriorating, and what are the implications?

The quality of economic data, particularly employment data, is deteriorating due to lower survey response rates. This can lead to a false picture of the economy, potentially affecting policy decisions. While interest rates may be restrictive, the data might not accurately reflect the true state of the labor market or inflation.

What are the main reasons for the strong growth in healthcare sector employment?

The healthcare sector's employment growth is driven by both the aging population and the increasing administrative costs of healthcare. While the former is a natural demographic trend, the latter has led to a higher number of lower-paying administrative jobs, which can be seen as a societal issue rather than an economic one.

How do current US policy rates compare to historical levels, and what does this mean for the economy?

Current US policy rates of 4.75% are considered restrictive, with a real interest rate of 1.5% (nominal rate minus inflation). While these rates have slowed nominal growth, inflation has fallen by more, leading to an increase in real growth. This suggests that the economy remains strong despite restrictive rates.

Why has the stock market performed exceptionally well in 2024?

The S&P 500 is up about 28% year-to-date in 2024, placing it in the 88th percentile compared to the past 95 years. The market's strong performance is driven by psychological factors, such as the fear of missing out (FOMO) and the desire to lock in gains. While the market looks overvalued, there are still pockets of undervalued stocks.

What are the potential risks of tariffs on the stock market, and are they priced in?

Tariffs are not currently priced into the market and have the potential to cause shock-like effects, particularly if they are broad-based. While some sectors may benefit, others could be significantly harmed. The impact of tariffs remains a major unknown, especially as policy decisions are expected to materialize in early 2025.

What is the role of private equity continuation vehicles, and how are they evolving?

Private equity continuation vehicles are used to hold and manage companies that are not selling, allowing new investors to invest in them. With the IPO market closed and strategic buyers being cautious, these vehicles are becoming more common. Hedge funds are also getting involved, and they are often used to finance dividends to private equity companies.

What is the Monetary Matters house view on inflation for 2025, and how does it factor in political uncertainties?

The house view is that inflation will continue to decline, reaching around 2% by 2025. However, this view may not fully account for the potential inflationary impact of Trump's policies, such as tariffs and deporting workers. The exact path of inflation remains uncertain due to these political factors.

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Jack Farley welcomes Max Wiethe, his business partner and host of the Other People’s Money podcast, for a conversation about the job market, the stock market, and the recent central banking conference they attended. Recorded on December 6, 2024.

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