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The Treacherous Last Mile of Inflation | Vincent Deluard on France, 2025 U.S. Fiscal Drag, COLA Pain, and the U.S. Healthcare Price Spiral

2024/12/15
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预测世俗通胀和探索影子经济的StoneX宏观策略主管。
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Vincent Deluard: 我认为美国经济依然强劲,但通胀将持续存在,并在2025年第一季度末成为主要担忧。2025年,商业地产估值问题、公司债务到期、利率上升以及利润率下降等因素将共同导致经济增长放缓,甚至可能在4月至5月出现超过20%的熊市。此外,美国州和地方政府的支出大幅减少,以及社会保障金和政府员工薪资的通胀调整逆转,都将对消费支出造成负面影响。医疗保健成本的快速增长及其在经济中所占的巨大比重是通胀持续存在的主要原因之一,而官方通胀数据与民众实际感受存在偏差。美元升值将导致净出口减少,而特朗普政府的政策可能加剧通胀和经济不确定性。 至于欧洲,法国和德国分别面临政治和经济危机,这将导致欧元进一步贬值,甚至可能跌至与美元平价。法国政府的财政赤字和政治不稳定,以及欧洲央行持有的法国债务面临到期风险,都将加剧欧洲经济的困境。 Jack Farley: 我关注到医疗保健行业的就业增长速度超过了州、地方和联邦政府的就业增长总和。此外,我还关注到,尽管医疗保健支出大幅增加,但消费者物价指数(CPI)中医疗保健的权重却很低,这导致官方通胀数据与民众实际感受存在偏差。关于欧洲,我关注到欧元兑美元汇率持续走弱,以及法国政府面临的政治和财政危机。

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Why does Vincent Deluard think a perfect storm of macro headwinds could lead to a bear market for U.S. stocks in April to May 2025?

Vincent Deluard believes that lower inflation in 2024 will result in smaller cost-of-living adjustments for 2025, which will hurt consumer spending. He also predicts that a strong U.S. dollar will dent corporate profits and that state and local government spending will shrink, leading to fiscal tightening. These factors, combined with higher interest expenses and potential political chaos from Donald Trump, could create a perfect storm that slows growth and dampens stock market performance.

Why did the recession warnings about the U.S. economy not materialize in the past two to three years?

The warnings were early rather than wrong. Inflation, while high, was offset by immigration, which replaced the labor force lost during COVID. The inverted yield curve and high corporate profits from low interest rates also contributed to economic resilience. The labor market was strong, and the Fed's rate hikes effectively provided a stimulus through higher interest income for savers.

Why is Vincent Deluard concerned about the U.S. healthcare sector contributing to stagflation in 2025?

The healthcare sector, which is about 20% of the economy, has been experiencing cost increases of close to 10%. These costs are poorly captured in the CPI, leading to underreported inflation. Despite this, the healthcare sector continues to add jobs, which could keep the unemployment rate low while inflation remains high, creating conditions for stagflation.

Why does Vincent Deluard think the U.S. dollar will strengthen in the short term, leading to lower U.S. corporate profits?

The dollar is expected to strengthen due to political instability in Europe, particularly in France and Germany. A stronger dollar makes U.S. exports more expensive and reduces the competitiveness of U.S. companies in global markets, which could lead to lower earnings and profits for U.S. firms with significant international revenues.

Why is Vincent Deluard pessimistic about the French government's ability to handle its fiscal crisis?

The French parliament is hung, with no stable majority. The government has hidden deficits and lied about its fiscal situation, similar to Greece during the euro crisis. Without a broad mandate for reforms and with the ECB holding significant French debt that will roll off, the French government faces challenges in addressing its fiscal issues.

Why does Vincent Deluard recommend the Swiss franc as a safe haven in a potential U.S. bear market?

Switzerland has no public debt, a strong current account surplus, and a central bank that has never done quantitative easing. The Swiss franc has low inflation, low unemployment, and a robust industrial sector, making it a high-quality asset. Given the fragility of the U.S. market and the potential for both stocks and bonds to decline, the Swiss franc offers a reliable safe haven.

Why does Vincent Deluard think a bear market in 2025 could be different from previous recessions?

In this scenario, both stocks and bonds could decline simultaneously, unlike traditional recessions where bonds act as a hedge. The U.S. economy is overvalued, and inflation is sticky, which could lead to a correction where the stock market drops 20% and bond yields rise. This would be a significant shift from the current rebalancing flows that have limited stock market corrections.

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This chapter analyzes the surprising strength of the US economy, despite predictions of recession. It examines factors such as the commercial real estate market, inverted yield curve, and the surprisingly positive impact of immigration on the labor market. The discussion also delves into how these factors might impact the economy in 2025.
  • Strong economy with momentum in consumption
  • Inflation expected to remain sticky, potentially slowing at the end of Q1 2025
  • Concerns about economic slowdown in 2025
  • Commercial real estate issues, inverted yield curve, and the SOM rule are discussed as potential factors
  • Immigration's positive impact on the labor market and its effect on unemployment rate

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Vincent Deluard, director of global macro for StoneX, joins Monetary Matters to share why he thinks there is a perfect storm of macro headwinds that in April to May of 2025 may put a halt to the relentless rise in U.S. stocks. 

Deluard argues that the lower inflation of 2024 will result in a lower cost-of-living-adjustment (COLA) adjustment for 2025 U.S. government programs such as Social Security. He thinks a strong U.S. dollar could dent corporate profits and that state and local governments plan to actually shrink expenditures in 2025. 

Deluard, a Frenchman, shares his detailed view on political chaos in France and its macroeconomic consequences. Recorded on December 11, 2024. 

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