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Did Mussolini make the trains run on time?

2024/12/21
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Lizzie McNeill:本期节目探讨了关于穆索里尼“让火车准时运行”这一说法背后的真相。这一说法是穆索里尼政权的宣传策略,旨在塑造一个高效、现代化国家的形象,尤其是在国际社会。节目中引用了美国亚利桑那州普雷斯科特晚报的文章,该文章相信了穆索里尼的宣传,认为火车准时运行是其政府纪律性的体现。然而,历史学家Ruth Ben-Ghiat指出,火车准时运行的程度取决于乘坐的火车和乘客身份,穆索里尼政府优先保证旅游线路的准时性,以提升国际形象。 Ruth Ben-Ghiat:"火车准时运行"的说法源于穆索里尼政权自身的宣传,是其现代化意大利和使其成为伟大国家的宣传策略的一部分。她指出,穆索里尼时期的统计数据不可靠,因为存在严格的审查制度和数据操纵。穆索里尼建立了意大利统计局,利用其控制数据,以符合其宣传需要。她强调,穆索里尼擅长宣传,通过控制数据来塑造符合其政治目标的现实。她还指出,一战后,意大利的铁路系统在自由主义政府时期就已经得到了显著改善,穆索里尼只是窃取了其功劳。虽然穆索里尼确实投资了基础设施建设,包括铁路电气化和直达线路的建设,但这同时也忽视了南部地区,并且在建设过程中造成了大量人员伤亡。总而言之,穆索里尼并没有让所有的火车准时运行,他只关注那些对提升其公众形象(尤其是在国外)有益的线路。

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Why did Mussolini claim he made the trains run on time?

Mussolini's regime used the claim as a public relations tool to portray him as a modernizer and a leader who could make Italy efficient and great. Trains were crucial for moving goods and people, so an efficient railway system symbolized a competent nation.

How did Mussolini's regime manipulate the perception of train punctuality?

Mussolini focused on ensuring that tourist trains, which were often used by foreigners and wealthy individuals, ran on time. This created a positive impression among visitors, who would overlook the regime's other negative aspects and spread the narrative of efficient train service.

Were the statistics about train punctuality under Mussolini reliable?

No, the statistics were unreliable due to extreme censorship and manipulation by the regime. The Bureau of Statistics, established by Mussolini, produced doctored numbers to fit the regime's propaganda, as pointed out by anti-fascist economist Gaetano Salvenimi.

What improvements did Mussolini actually make to the railway system?

Mussolini invested in infrastructure, electrified railways in certain areas, and inaugurated direct lines like the one between Bologna and Florence in 1934. However, these improvements were selective and did not benefit the entire country, particularly the south.

Did Mussolini make all trains run on time?

No, Mussolini only ensured that trains of interest to his public image, particularly those used by tourists and important figures, ran on time. Everyday Italians experienced delays on local and less prioritized lines.

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“Say what you like about Mussolini but he did make the trains run on time.” This phrase is the political equivalent of “every cloud has a silver lining” – but does it have any factual basis?

Mussolini’s dictatorship in Italy was full of atrocities, brutal suppression and propaganda. Did it also create a more efficient railway network?

We speak to Professor Ruth Ben-Ghiat about the truth of the claim and why the Mussolini regime wanted us to believe it.

Presenter: Lizzy McNeill Producer: Lizzy McNeill Researcher: Esme Winterbotham Series Producer: Tom Colls Editor: Richard Vadon Sound Master: James Beard Production Co-ordinator: Katie Morrison.

Image: Benito Mussolini in his train studying maps. (Photo by ullstein picture/ullstein picture via Getty Images)