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Do 79% of Swedish asylum seekers go on holiday to the country they fled from?

2025/1/11
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More or Less: Behind the Stats

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Charlotte MacDonald: 我对社交媒体上流传的79%瑞典寻求庇护者回原籍度假的这一说法表示怀疑。这个数字经常被用来暗示寻求庇护者并没有面临真实的危险,如果他们真的面临危险,不太可能回原籍度假。 我与一家报纸讨论过这个话题,他们对对在瑞典居住的海外出生的人群进行调查感兴趣,这个调查就是由此开始的。 Hjalmar Strid: 我是瑞典Novus民调公司的Hjalmar Strid。我们进行了一项严谨的调查,样本来自随机抽取的5万名瑞典居民中的1000名海外出生人士。调查中,我们询问了受访者是否回过他们的原籍国家度假。在所有海外出生的人群中,85%的人表示回过原籍度假,这并不令人意外,因为许多人来自北欧国家。 在被识别为寻求庇护者的183人中,79%的人表示回过原籍度假。需要注意的是,参与调查的人群并非近期抵达的寻求庇护者,他们中的大多数人在瑞典居住多年,能够流利地使用瑞典语,并融入当地社会。近期抵达的寻求庇护者很难参与到此类调查中。 调查中也包含2010年后抵达瑞典的难民,但我们没有获得他们具体来自哪个国家以及他们的移民身份等信息。我们也没有考察回国度假与冲突持续与否之间的关系。 Tino Sanandaji: 我是Bulletin在线新闻网站的共同所有人Tino Sanandaji。我认为将调查结果用于煽动反移民情绪是不对的。 对数据的解读存在两种观点:一种是恶意解读,认为寻求庇护者只是假装面临危险,实际上他们有钱有闲,回原籍享受奢华假期;另一种是正确的解读,即许多曾经作为难民来到瑞典,并在瑞典定居的人,感觉安全到可以回原籍探亲访友。 如果样本具有代表性,并且考虑到许多人是瑞典公民且抵达时间跨度长,那么该数据是正确的。重要的是要避免对数据的恶意解读,避免加剧社会对立。

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What is the origin of the claim that 79% of Swedish asylum seekers go on holiday to their home country?

The claim originates from a survey conducted by Swedish polling company Novus, commissioned by the online news site Bulletin. The survey asked 1,000 randomly selected individuals born outside Sweden, including 183 identified as refugees, whether they had returned to their country of origin for a holiday. 79% of the refugee group answered yes.

Why is the 79% statistic misleading when applied to recent asylum seekers?

The statistic is misleading because it includes refugees who arrived in Sweden over the last 80 years, not just recent arrivals. Many of these individuals fled conflicts or regimes that no longer exist, such as the Yugoslav Wars or Pinochet's dictatorship in Chile. They have lived in Sweden for decades, integrated into society, and may safely visit their home countries without facing the dangers they originally fled.

What challenges exist in surveying recent asylum seekers in Sweden?

Recent asylum seekers are difficult to survey due to language barriers, lack of integration, and their transient status. They are less likely to participate in surveys conducted via phone, mail, or in-person methods, making them a hard-to-reach demographic. The Novus survey primarily included long-term residents who had been in Sweden for years or decades.

How did the Bulletin's reporting contribute to the misinterpretation of the survey results?

The Bulletin's reporting was factually accurate but ambiguous, allowing the 79% statistic to be misinterpreted as referring to recent asylum seekers. This ambiguity was exploited on social media to imply that current refugees were returning to dangerous countries for holidays, which the survey did not support. The Bulletin's co-owner, Tino Sanandaji, denied using dog whistles but acknowledged the polarized debate around immigration.

What historical context explains why many refugees in Sweden might return to their home countries?

Many refugees in Sweden fled conflicts or oppressive regimes that have since ended, such as the Yugoslav Wars, Pinochet's dictatorship in Chile, or the Soviet regime. These individuals have lived in Sweden for decades, becoming citizens and integrating into society. Returning to their home countries for holidays is often safe and allows them to visit family or friends without facing the dangers they originally fled.

What does the Novus survey reveal about the demographics of refugees in Sweden?

The Novus survey shows that the majority of refugees in Sweden arrived decades ago, fleeing conflicts like the Yugoslav Wars, the Iran-Iraq War, or oppressive regimes like Pinochet's Chile. These individuals have lived in Sweden for 30 to 50 years, integrated into society, and often hold Swedish citizenship. Only 26 of the 183 refugee respondents arrived after 2010, with the most recent arriving in 2022.

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The claim that 79% of asylum seekers in Sweden go on holiday in their home country has been repeated regularly on social media. It’s used to argue that recent refugees are being disingenuous about the danger they face in the country they have fled from. But when you look at the survey the claim is based on, you see the stat in a very different way. We speak to Hjalmar Strid, who ran the survey for polling company Novus, and Tino Sanandaji from Bulletin, the online news site which published it.

Presenter: Charlotte McDonald Producer: Tom Colls Production co-ordinator: Katie Morrison Sound Mix: Neil Churchill Editor: Richard Vadon