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Welcome to Mysterious Universe, Season 33, Episode 4. Coming up on the show, we've got the Garabandal prophecies, the electric serpent guardians, and the ley lines of time. I'm your host, Benjamin Grundy. Joining me is Aaron Wright. So, is this an Aboriginal word? Garabandal. Is that, oh, is it Italian? It's Spanish. Oh, Spanish. Close. Italian, Aboriginal, Spanish. It's all the same. There's a new book that came out this week. It's called, oh, I've messed up my screen capture, but...

Touched by the Light, a compilation of awe-inspiring near-death experiences and messages from the other side. Started reading it today, not bad. Some pretty interesting out-of-body and near-death experiences that we haven't heard before. Right. One was from a guy who, I can't remember how he died. That's right. He was at a party when he was 13.

14 and decided to have eight shots of vodka 10 beers all these oh no girly drinks yeah he was just being an idiot showing off and yeah he just he had alcohol poisoning passed out his face went blue and he had a near-death experience and in this near-death experience he claimed that a

Selection of angels appeared in front of him. They're all quite tall, like seven feet tall, all female. And then from them emerged a giant who was 30 feet tall. And he claims this giant went...

and like went into his mind in this out it's not your average new day it's not experience there was no jesus there was no tunnel there was no uh all-encompassing ecstasy in the void but when you say giant is it just like just a human form yeah just a human being it was like 30 feet tall and he had the understanding that oh this was a giant from ancient times

Oh, that's weird. And so this giant enters his mind and then he wakes up. I don't know if he was in the hospital or where he woke up, but he just feels like rubbish. And he now has this understanding that the giant is inside him. So he has like an afterlife possession hangover? Well, he claims he's a walk-in. And so for the next, I think it was four or five weeks after he recovered from his alcohol poisoning, everything seemed really small. Yeah.

He claims that everything was microscopic. His computer was tiny and he'd get in the car and he'd be like, this is such a hard fit. He just felt like he was this giant. And over time, it emerges that he definitely may have picked up something because he started hearing voices in his head. It got to the point where, for example, he was going to move from, I think, the East Coast of the United States back to the West Coast, had everything planned.

And instead of hearing a voice telling him what to do, he gets this phone call. It's this random phone call. There's a woman on the other end of the line. And she starts telling him all about himself. He's like, who are you? She says, don't worry about that. I know who you are. She starts telling him about a dream he had when he was nine years old. She starts describing everything in his life. And she's like, whatever you do, you can't move back to Seattle. He's like, how did you even get my phone number? She said, don't worry about that.

You can't go to Seattle. You need to go to this college in New Mexico. And he's like, what are you talking? And she just hangs up on him. And he's like, this is ridiculous. I'm moving to Seattle tomorrow. Everything's booked. This is crazy. There's no way I'm going to listen to this person. I don't even know who that person was. I don't know how she knew that stuff about me, but I'm moving back to Seattle. Yeah. I mean, that's rational. You don't just have some random, you know, what you would assume pranking you. The next morning he gets a call from an old school friend of his.

And he says, hey, for some reason I started thinking about you last night and I remembered all the things that you were into when we were into high school. And he says, by the way, I'm on the board at this, and he mentions this college in New Mexico. And he's like, I think you need to come down and sign up for this course that I'm a part of and we can help you get your degree. He's like, what the hell's going on? So it's a series of

Coincidences, but high strangeness. No, they're not coincidences. It's often just this, some unknown unseen entity directly telling him what to do after he had this near death experience when he was 13. And to him, it's some kind of grand spiritual plan. But it's funny because when you listen to some of the things that he's told to do, you can tell that it's not

a higher plan at something low level. For example, he'll turn up for his shift at work. He waits tables at some restaurant. And all of a sudden the voice is like, you got to leave your shift now. And he's like, I can't. I just turned up to work. He's like, you have to leave your shift now. Don't worry about what happens. Just leave now. He's like,

okay so he goes and asks and he gets to leave his boss lets him leave but just examples like that where it's very urgent you know that's a psychology tactic if you want to manipulate and gaslight people you create this sense of urgency right and so what it does is it gets them into this state of eventually like it becomes this uh it's not stockholm syndrome but it gets people conditioned to respond all the time at this heightened response that's really what it

was like right the story hopefully i have time for it in the plus extension coming up but my point was that if something is orchestrated by a higher being it should be effortless of course yeah and you shouldn't but also not only should it be effortless you shouldn't know about it exactly it should come in just be like hints and metaphors synchronicities right yeah little synchronicities that way you enlighten to the meaning yourself rather than being told directly what to do which is what happens to him yeah i heard a couple of great anecdotes actually this week on um

I think it was with Jeffrey Mishlove or at least on his YouTube channel. I'll look it up and see if I can find it. I can't recall exactly, but they had a guest on yesterday.

who was talking about some of the strange afterlife experiences that the living still have, not the actual person who's passed over. But there are a couple of great ones that you just reminded me about. So there's this one great story of where I believe it was a young man who had been told by and shown while his father was alive that he had this gun, like he had a handgun. And he said, look, it's hidden here in this closet, like up the top. And if anything ever happens to me, please get rid of it because I don't want your mother knowing about it.

it. Like she'll flip out. She'll be really upset about it. He's like, yep, dad, no worries. And his father lived for a long time. But when his father passed away, immediately the son was like, oh, I've got to go and get that gun because if mom finds it, she's going to totally flip out. So he goes and he makes an excuse to go to his mother's place. And he's like, I'm just going to duck upstairs for a second. And he goes upstairs to where he's seen this weapon placed and he knew where it was.

It's not there. Uh-oh. And he's like, oh my God. Well, the mom's already found it. Well, that's what he thought, but he would have known had she found it because she would have actually flipped out. She would have had an issue with it. And nothing really happens until he goes home and he has this dream. And in this dream, he meets his father and his father's like,

I totally forgot to tell you. You need to go down into the basement and in the basement is this crawl space. And in the back of this crawl space up the top, you'll find that where this gun is. And he woke up in the morning and it was so real. Like it was so real. It was so vivid, but he thought it was absurd. Like after you wake up in that kind of cloud or that fog leaves, it's

And later in the day, he decides obviously to, and we know where this is going because later in the day, he decides to go to his mother's house and he says, mom, I'm just going to get into the basement. She's like, oh, no worries. Of course he wanders down and stuffed in that location, wrapped up in something. Was that gone? There is absolute, and these cases are really important because there's absolutely no way he could have known that information. And then there was another one and I might be conflicting them, but there was another one. It was very similar thing where someone passed over

And they had a series of shares or something. And the shares were placed in this cabinet. And when the person passed, I believe it was a father again, when he passed over, they couldn't find these shares. And the family was desperate.

destitute. The family was in a bad place and they'd just lost a breadwinner and it was all bad and they could not find these shares. This is the back in the days when you had to have the certificate. That's right, when you had the actual piece of paper. And eventually what had happened was one of them had a dream and one of them had a dream that it was in this drawer, but rather than being at the bottom of the drawer, it had been taped up with double-sided tape to the underside of the drawer.

Of course, what do they do? They go and open the drawer, put their hand under, pull it down, and they find the shares. Yeah, there was lots of stories like that in the book as well. There's a woman, I don't know what's going on with the caption now. There's a woman who, her near-death experience is brutal. And I actually couldn't read through it all. It was so graphic. Yeah. It happens when she's giving birth, she's in labor. Yeah.

and something about the placenta filling up with blood. It's just awful. And the way she describes the nurse comes in and the nurse just looks at her and is like, you've got two minutes to live. Just all bedside manner goes out the window because there's so much blood. And she was saying that as every new person came in, like every doctor came in, it kind of became humorous because they're just like,

slipping on all the blood, like falling over. They had to get a cleaner, had to get the mop and start making a path so the staff could actually get in the room. So she dies. But she's eventually brought back. She comes back, but she encounters her father. Not anything to the point of the stories you just shared, but her father gave her all this

advice on what to do when she comes back. Right. Okay. Directly from him. And he had all these, you know, anecdotes of when she was a child and it was all from her father and when she miraculously survived. Well, the thing is there's so many of these stories. I know they're anecdotal, but for whatever reason, they're just so readily dismissed, even when there's some type of validation. And a lot of the time they're very personal and perhaps that's the reason why they're so readily dismissed by a third party. There was one great example of where

a woman was in a car and she always follows this particular route home. It's just, we all do, right? We're creatures of habit. We all usually follow the same kind of route when we're driving home. And she'd finished up a shift wherever she was working. And as she drove home,

I think it was her father who's been dead for years, like is in her, like sitting in the back, like a voice of the father going, do not go home over this particular bridge. Like, don't go that way. You have to turn this way. And she's like, what? And it's like, it's audible. It's coming from behind. She turns around, there's nothing there, but she drives. And then this voice like, no, turn right here, turn right here. So she does, like she turns right and she goes around and she gets home. She gets home and turns on the TV. And of course there's breaking news that the bridge that she would normally drive over

Oh, wow. So had she been driving, it was highly likely that she would have been on that bridge or at least approaching it when it collapsed. Well, that guy I mentioned who had the giant beamed into his head during his knee death experience, when he came back, he had prophetic visions and he said it was a disaster. Why? No one wanted to talk to him because he would always know something very personal about the person and he didn't have the tact to know when to reveal it.

So there was a point where he was desperate to say, or he was traveling with a friend of his with the family. They're on a ski trip or something. And he went to his friend's mother and said, whatever you do, don't let your daughter come up to meet us. And she's like, what are you talking about? He says, you know, whatever you do, do not let Sarah come up to the ski lodge. Don't let her drive. Just tell her. Keep her away. Keep her away. And at the time, the mother was having an argument with this, with her daughter, with Sarah.

And the mother thought it was because of that and he was just being nosy. But he kept on pushing. He's like, no, no, no, it's not about that. Don't let it come. Don't let it come. And eventually the family got so sick of him saying it, they sent him home. They're like, all right, get on a bus. We're sick of this. Get out of here.

The next day, the daughter drives out to meet them. She's killed in a car crash on the way to the ski lodge. Oh my God. And he felt guilty about it, even though he tried to warn them. That's the difficulty with these things though. It's because it sounds crazy. Like beforehand, it's crazy. It's nuts. It's something like you're being paranoid or you're being superstitious and it's such a silly thing. But then in hindsight, you go, how did you know that?

How did you have that information? How could you have perceived that? And that's why not just these experiences, but many paranormal experiences, experiences that are in this realm are very isolating to the person who undergoes them. And people don't want to listen to you.

People don't want to help you. And that became quite apparent actually today when I was going through ley lines and earth energies, a groundbreaking exploration of the earth's natural energy and how it affects our health. People don't want to listen to you. Not about that. Yeah, I don't care about that. No, you're right. And you know, I don't care anymore. You don't want to listen to me? Fine, cool. Like, please don't.

Like more people that signed up, I'm like, I'm going to keep going. You're talking about people don't want to listen to you. They're like, I can relate to that. Yeah, I definitely can. No, it's about people that have, you know, strange experiences, right? That are so surreal and so bizarre and no one wants to listen to them.

No one wants to help them. And so ultimately what they end up doing is from a mainstream standpoint, you get woo people and new ages coming to help you. But the amazing thing is, is that as much as we give these people a hard time, they've got direct exposure to this stuff, which is an alternative view

Which often solves the problems that these people are having. And I'm going to give you some examples as we go through this book. That is correct. But many times they are also batshit insane. They are. But that's also, I think, the closer you get to the coal face, the more crazy you become for a lot of people. Like you really, because it is just so...

foreign to us, especially in our very materialistic world that we're in now. Maybe many hundreds of years ago or even thousands of years ago, who knows? The perception of this may have been very different. We don't look down upon superstition. You don't look down upon earth energies. That's what I'm going to be talking about in today's show. We're going to jump into some of these experiences that can also tie in with

Maybe earth energies explain, not all of it, right? So this is not black and white. This is very much the gray zone. Explain a vast number of occurrences that we experience in the paranormal world.

So David Cohen, Chris Arnold, where are these guys from? Are they from the UK? Yeah. Well, I don't know where they are from, but most of their stories are from the UK. So I'm assuming that they're from the UK. I've also got a couple of little stories that I want to mention from Time Shifts, experiences of slipping into the past and future from Von Brashler. He also references Frank Joseph in there as well. Just some really intriguing stories that line up with this idea that maybe this is to do with earth energies. And

In reference to what I was saying before, it's quite clear that cultures in the past may have been far more advanced from a spiritual perspective than what we are, whether it's Druids or Stone Age cultures. We see them as being very backwards, right? But then we realize that they understand things about the earth and its energies that we do not recognize today, that our instruments cannot measure, that we cannot understand. And the reason why I got into this is because on the last Plus show,

We were talking about a great blog from Dr. Carl Schuchat where he was talking about the occurrence and the incidence of essentially glowing or luminescent owls

because owls aren't supposed to gloat. They're not supposed to give off light. And the number of encounters that people have had with these things, they're tied in with things like min-min lights. Of course, those strange lights that are seen in the Australian outback, people speculate that they're spirits. But one thing grabbed my attention. Remember how I was saying that there seems to be an increase in activity of min-min lights, these balls of light that go flying around and follow people and terrify people?

during the rainy season or during the wet season when the swamps are full of water and bring all of these animals. And my argument was, or the argument I was putting forward was even from Carl Schuchat, was that, well, if there's more of these animals

you know, these animals, it means the ecosystem's all alive. So the glowing owls are just, they're there, they're congregating there. There's more to eat. Well, that's where there's food. So that would make sense. But as I pointed out, that doesn't explain all of the phenomena of what's going on. And so funnily enough, when it comes to ley lines and earth energies, there seems to be an increase of activity of min-min-like phenomena that

when there's been water involved. Yeah, I still remember covering some of those stories from England over the years. There's one in particular, the

The author of it, I can't remember, but it was at one of these stone circles. Well, Paul Devereaux has done some of this stuff. Yeah, it might have been Devereaux at one of these stone circles. Multiple eyewitnesses saw a giant orb of energy, some plasma ball lift up out of the stone. That's right. Yeah. And it's been witnessed by people. Normally, it's witnessed by individuals that seemingly have a more psychic kind of ability, whether they recognize it or not.

or have had other experiences that make them inclined to be psychic. And some of the stones that zap you as well. Yes. Have you got any of those stories? I do. And stones that talk to you. Talk to you? Yeah, it gets quite surreal. Are they conversationalists?

They're stones. They're boring. They don't really want to talk about anything. They're desperate as well. They're quite needy. Breaking news. They're very needy. Hot off the press. Let's kick it off, though, by talking about some of this stuff that is the really highlight of this kind of stuff. And we have to go to Avebury, which is one of these hotspots for this type of activity with these ley lines, where there's stone circles and this man-made mound that's Silbury Hill there.

Just incredible locations that people all throughout history have felt something. They've gone to these locations, but it's not just there. It's all over the UK and indeed other locations globally. You go back to 1845, you've got the Reverend Edward Duke. He left the splendor of his home, traveling through the deepest of Wiltshire. And as he traveled through, he seemingly got this knowing, this understanding of seeing these connections of these lines, of these...

these energy pathways that were crisscrossing throughout the land. There being something to it. And many people since then that are psychically inclined have had experiences. And indeed, people who aren't psychically inclined have had experiences at this site. But let me give you a standard kind of case, and then we'll move away to go to the more obscure cases. So Brent Swanson had this great write-up a couple of years ago on our site, mysteriousuniverse.org.

where he said the stone circles at Avery and the famous Stonehenge not too far away

are hotspots for UFO phenomena. It also has crop circles and the locations contain very strange encounters, including aliens. You've got Silbury Hill. It's said to lie upon a ley line, which is supposed to be a vein of energy cursing through the earth. And crop circles have frequently been found in the surrounding countryside. And, you know, that's fascinating as well because many people automatically, when you hear of crop circles, associate it with UFOs. That's a pretty standard kind of thing. And that's fine. Yeah, it's a bit of a trope, yeah. But it's a trope because it's like,

Usually, there's not any... Sometimes, there's balls of light involved, but the reality is that these things just suddenly appear. Some people have put forward that the reason why these crop circles appear is because of the ley line energy. It causes a manifestation in this particular form to take place. The reason why that actually really stands out is because when we go back to David Cowan and Chris Arnold's book, they talk about petroglyphs, like petroglyphs that show up in these stones.

And through their research, and a lot of their research, look, I know it's not what would be considered to be conventional, but they utilize dowsing.

to detect the energy that's moving through these things. And what they've found is that these petroglyphs seemingly either give off some kind of energy or manipulate energy. Do you mean things like this, the famous horse on the hill? That horse is fascinating. It's not that. It's more like that. Stuff like this, where it's carving into a rock. You know what this is considered? It's carving in a rock. But that particular one, when you went back to that horse one, funnily enough, there is a report

that I didn't go into in too great a detail, but there was a report where a psychic person had gone up to this particular site. And when they were there, they sensed that there was something, right? There was something off about it. Not in a bad way, but they could sense that there was something going on. They continued to meditate for a few moments. And as they meditated, apparently there was like 30 horses appeared. But guess what? No, there was 30 white, like almost 30 white luminous things that appeared. But they

But they were horses, but they were mini horses. These little horses. And they were all coming and running around them while they were kind of in this meditative trance-like state. I remember that one, yeah. And then as soon as they left the trance-like state, it just all just disappeared. And so it's like, why is it? What about this big boy? You got him coming up? I'm sure. No, I don't have that coming up, but it's there. But you have to wonder, is it that the psychic went there knowing because there was a horse form there?

that somehow their brain created this weird vision? Or is it just simply they've built a horse form there because people have had experiences with these weird spectral horses? Yeah, over time, people kept seeing the fairy horses and thought, let's mark this spot. And I'm pleased that you said fairy because that fairy and that fae folklore plays a big role in a lot of these things. Like there are so many reports of people encountering this stuff. I'll link to a YouTube video actually that describes this in it.

a greater detail than what I'm going to do today, but it's supernatural spaces and it talks about ley lines, energy grids and that sort of stuff. There's a couple of stories in there. There's this one story, and let me just bring up the details here, of a man from 1953. I believe his name was Hugh Sheridan. He was in Ireland. In 1953, he was heading home from work and as he headed home,

He said all of a sudden he came across what appeared to be something like a green color kind of splashed out upon the ground in front of him. And as he looked closer, he realized that it was a bunch of fairies. Like that's the only way to describe it with these fairies. And he said they were all running around. They were kind of like just being little fairies.

And he said he felt like he was being, and I'm paraphrasing here, but kind of being led. And of course, this is consistent with the Fae folklore stories of being pixie-led, right? And so as he's being led, he's like, I don't want to go that way. Like, I'm not going that way. But it's almost like they were taking him to a door or to this kind of location. And he turned away, fortunately, because these are some of the stories with the fairy tales, you know, warning you that you don't be pixie-led. You don't allow yourself to go with these things.

But he turned away from it and these things kind of all just disappeared. But when he got home, it was like he was high. He said all this energy that had been imbued into him. It's like, this is what it does. It creates euphoria and wonder. So he's like, oh, I'm going to go with them. And you forget these warnings, like you're not supposed to go with these things. It's interesting the difference between people that see and experience dark demonic things. They say the opposite. They feel drained. That

That does come up. And that actually, funnily enough, could have something to do with the direction of the energy, like the way that the energy is going. So in the Ley Lines book as well, there was this report of where, I don't know if it was David or Chris, but one of them had been doing something which seems to be rather silly, but had an interesting story attached to it, is that they were taking crystals and

and using crystals to activate the petroglyphs that are on these stone. So these guys are not conventional at all. Not conventional. Literally gluing a crystal. I don't know what kind of crystal. I'm assuming maybe a quartz crystal, maybe a nice amethyst, something. Did they do a druidic ceremony afterwards? Druids do come up in some of these reports. In fact, more so the druid reports come up in a book that was published by... It's just disappeared. Thank you very much. What happened when they...

glued the crystal to the rock. I'll come back to that. So I've got Spirits of the Stones, Visions of Sacred Britain, and that was published by Alan Richardson, and I'll put that in the show notes as well. That details more of the Druids and supporting their stuff. But what they did is they attached a crystal to one of these petroglyphs because they'd recognized that these petroglyphs, as I pointed out, either...

inhibit or manipulate or enhance the energy of these ley lines. So these ley lines come flowing through and clearly someone in the past with an understanding of this has put these things in to manipulate this energy. Yeah, they're like geomantic acupoints. Yeah, you're absolutely right. It's like Earth's acupuncture. And it's funny because it's done things like produce protective bubbles around people's homes, but I'll come back to that. So-

What happened with the crystals? They glued this crystal to this petroglyph. And for some reason, a report came in later. I don't know how they got this. And I don't know if it was like a coincidence that they got it. But a report came in later from where this couple had been walking along essentially this direction of where this ley line would have been altered, right? Where this energy would have been altered. And as they came along, there was this like weird, like cliche green witch, like pixie-like entity that came along that was like, it!

Michael Jackson, weird voice coming up and laughing at them and messing with them. And they obviously were freaked out by what they were seeing. This wasn't someone laughing. This was something paranormal. Because it was mini. Like not mini mini, but it was like diminutive. Like it was not the right size of what a human should be. And it was green skinned. It wasn't like it was a costume. What the hell's going on?

And he's like, that happened after I altered the energy of this location, like after I'd stuck this crystal to alter it. So just an anecdote and nothing else to it. But for them, he was like, well, this is indicating that something we have done. Because then they found, and you've got to recall, they're doing huge amounts of research over years and years and years, going out to these locations, measuring these energies, and they started to find strange things. So some examples were

There was this one particular house, I believe, where the energy was just different. Like everything else around, these energies can be positive, they can be healing, and they can be utilized for healing. But the energies can also be negative and pathogenic, and they can actually cause significant problems for the people that are around them. And funnily enough, even though these are natural ley lines, our modern technology or

also generates these artificial ley lines. Oh, really? And these artificial ley lines are usually pathogenic from what I was reading. Great. Are you surprised? I'm not surprised at all. No, I'm not surprised. He was describing how at one point he was dousing nuclear submarines and everything was fine except for the fact that they parked these two nuclear submarines together and somehow their energy was intersecting. And so what it was doing is that as it was intersecting, it was then sending it out and blasting through these series of homes. Oh, my God.

causing illness. Can you rewind? What do you mean dousing nuclear submarines? He was taking his rods and going out to these nuclear submarines and using whatever other methodologies. How can he go out to nuclear submarines? You can see where they're parked. Like, you obviously stand on a hill over the top of where these things are. Can you?

Yeah, of course you can. Sydney, Garden Island. We've got a whole bunch of boats, Navy boats parked there. So if I was inclined to do that, I could just get my dousing rod, waltz down to the nuclear submarines. You could go and stand. How close do I have to be? You could go and stand up on North Sydney and you could go and look down at Garden Island. You can see all of them. And I'm assuming with all the, whatever they're using, the dousing rods or whatever, is that you can get access to it. I presumed he would just be doing it on a map.

No, no. A picture of a submarine. No, they're going out to the sites. Okay. Like they're going out to these patients. And so these two nuclear subs created some man-made ley lines. Yeah. And he points out that it's not whoever, it was either David or Chris, but they also point out that it's not just submarines. It's like,

radar towers. It's like microwaves. It's like even in your home. They're detecting all these with their dowsing? Their dowsing and whatever methodologies they're using. Okay. So it's like, I think there may be something to it. Like there's, because no doubt these ley lines have effects because so many people have reported encounters with these things. What else did they discover? Okay. So there was this thing where they noticed there was this particular house, right? And this house had been, not the house itself,

But there was right smack bang in this like negative flowing energy state. And it was just like really surreal. Bad for property value. Really, except for the fact that this house was fine. People weren't reporting. Oh, stunning house. No, no, no, no. Five bedrooms, pool. What I mean, that's all irrelevant. It was that the people inside the house weren't experiencing anything. They weren't experiencing poltergeist activity. They weren't having ill health effects. What's the problem?

The house was protected by these sigils or these petroglyphs that were altering the energy layer and creating a bubble around that house that stopped it from being affected by this negative energy layer. Did the owners know this or were they just very old, like...

Oh, old stones. And it's not like it's right on top of it, right? Like these ley lines, because they travel and sometimes they do meander, but you've also got the straight ley lines. They kind of can be at a distance and can affect things at a vast distance. So how old was the house? It doesn't say, but that doesn't matter. It's not relevant. There's a whole heap of properties that are affected by this stuff. So let me give you an example of where things can turn bizarre and strange, right?

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People tend to think that poltergeists have an agent to them, that poltergeists are either a disembodied angry spirit that is trying to get attention or trying to terrify people and wreck up your house. One of the other theories is the living agent hypothesis where you have a young child about to go into puberty, which is a time which is immensely stressful and is causing them to have psychokinetic phenomena, which is manifesting externally to them. It can be boys, but usually it's girls in a lot of these reports. But I think that's actually...

these poor kids are actually copping the blame for something which is rather natural. There seems to be in a number of sightings where they investigated poltergeist hauntings, these houses sit directly smack bang on the top of these ley lines, these energy lines, right? And oddly enough, it can become very precise that these energy lines can fire through a very specific area. So you can have your living room and you have no phenomena take place ever. It's not a problem. But then you have your

your laundry and there's like constantly your laundry powder boxes exploding and being flung about the room. It's that precise. It's that precise. And in some of these reports they did, they found that there were people that had these houses that had poltergeist, they had water manifesting, right? Which is a typical poltergeist type of behavior. They would have pools of water appearing, but only in specific areas. When he did his dousing, when he used his methodologies,

He found that there was these negative energy ley lines shooting directly through the particular location. I mean, I'd be curious to hear the full gamut of the poltergeist-like activity because a lot of it does indicate some agency, some intelligence. Sure. And look, this is the thing, right? I really have to emphasize this. When I'm talking about these things, I'm not saying...

all poltergeist encounters are ley lines, right? Yeah, and you could also argue that that ley line is the environment that allows the poltergeist to exist. I mean, that would be like them finding a fish in a river and saying, look, the river creates these things called fish. Bingo. I'm so pleased you said that because there was another great example of that where we've touched on this before with telluric currents. Like telluric stuff comes up and they do mention that. I don't know if they're saying these energy lines are necessarily telluric

but it's like, it's an energy, right? Let's just call it an energy. And there was a great example of where a house was haunted, right? And no one understood why. It was because when they investigated, obviously the people looking into it, they found that there was a graveyard down the road, but that graveyard had a water, like a channel of water underground,

going from the graveyard to the house. That's right. And the telluric current moving through that water was causing the ghosts that were in that graveyard to be moved under and then back up into the house, which is madness, right? It's just absolute madness. But there was a similar example that was described in this book of where

there was this energy line that they found and the energy line was moving like in a positive direction and it was moving and it was fine. But then also they found that the current would change and the current would move in an opposite direction. And they never could kind of work out what was causing the current to move back and forth. That was never determined. But what they did find, right, is guess what? When the current was moving in one particular direction, it was fine. But when it moved in another direction, it was actually running underneath the cemetery. Right.

So when that current was running underneath the cemetery, guess what's happening in the house? Unusual activity. Like there's weird activity taking place. Then there was a more obscure report, which was kind of strange, but it's funny with so many of these examples, it's like there's this afterwards validation that occurs. So there was this one particular site

where they went out. And you're able to actually see where the two kind of points where you've got a terminus of these things. Usually they go on and on and on, but you can find where they terminate, where they initiate. And he goes out to this particular site. I can't recall where, but when he does and he starts doing it, he notices that the energy had somehow been like,

kind of sent in two directions. Like it was odd, like it was kind of going out in two directions. And he was able to see this through the dowsing and that what they were using. And so he finds out later on though, that there's like all these like strange modern urban legends and folk tales about these two particular locations, which are vastly separated. Like they're so far apart that no normal paranormal researcher would find any connection between the two. You just wouldn't. But he found a connection between it with these energies. But here's the story.

The story is that there was this one particular house at this location, and it's an old house. And of course, like many hauntings, apparently it was at a time where you could get away with murder. It was this kind of thing where there was a seaman or a sea merchant or something, and he'd accused his wife of cheating, so he'd killed his wife. And he'd buried her

in the back of the house, something like that. But what he'd done is he'd gone out to sea or he'd gone out to work and he'd come back after a sufficient amount of time had passed thinking that everything would kind of calm down and just told the other local villagers that, oh, my wife ran away. You know, I don't know what happened to her, knowing very well what happened to her. But like all people that do terrible crimes, for the most part, is that he started to get paranoid. He was like, yeah, you know, people might be asking questions. So for whatever reason, he dug up his wife's body and cut it in two, right?

He cut the body in two. That'll fix it. Yeah. And then churned it up and got rid of it. I don't know exactly how he got rid of it. It doesn't matter though, because he did this right on top of this particular energy line. And so skip to modern times, like 150 years, 200 years later, I don't know exactly how long, there's reports of people saying that this man was staying in this house. And I think it was the same house. And he awoke in the evening to find this form standing over the edge of the bed. And he

And he's terrified because he's like, what the hell is this? And he realizes that it's not any unusual form that you'd expect. It's not a burglar. It's not a home invader. It was this angry, ghostly form of this woman. But guess what? Much like the story I told you a couple of weeks ago, my experiences with the hauntings,

It's like cut off. There's no legs. Oh, she was missing half a body. She's missing half a body. And this thing comes over and kisses him on the cheek. And he said it was like fire. It felt like fire. It was a terrifying experience for him. And of course, when he woke up, the thing dissipated and it was gone. But he was absolutely horrified. So that's one story. But then at this vast other distance, but lines up perfectly with the ley line,

There's reports of people having encounters with a pair of like green legs, like spectral green legs. So if you were to choose a succubus encounter, would you choose top half or bottom half? Well, that's the old mermaid question, right? Like everyone has these fantasies apparently about mermaids, but it's like you're screwing a fish. But in this case, it's a very different scenario. Very different scenario. There's no right or wrong answer.

Well, I think there may be, but yes, it was amazing. It was just amazing that through his research, he was able to line up these stories.

through this weird energy line. It's like it's caused, and that comes up, I didn't go into it in too great a detail because he goes into, you know, what we would call the stone tape theory, but really he refers to them as like repeating holograms. So these high intensity situations like murder and fights and suicide, where there's a lot of emotion involved, it seemingly imbues itself into that energy and that energy replays it.

And sometimes these petroglyphs and sigils can affect that. And that's why you've got druids going to these locations for so long and doing things, doing rituals and practices to alter it so that they can harness that power for whatever purpose. No one's really to know, but they knew.

Like they knew what they were doing with this stuff. But like really great. So I'm just looking here at the time because I want to jump over. Like really great stuff. I'll link to the book in the show notes so you can go and check it out. What were they trying to achieve? And did they...

Did they achieve it? They were just, well, they were really just trying to understand, like achieve an understanding of the weirdness. Like they talk about ghost cars of what people are seeing. So much like there was this one place where. If you have a car accident on a powerful ley line, it creates a replay of your car. But not even that, you don't even have to have that. So there was this length of road that coincided with the Tulleric circle, right?

Which is not a big deal, except for the fact that this family had built this house. All of a sudden, they started having ghost cars haunting their backyard. They would see lights. People would hear sound. Apparently, these telluric lines, they store sounds. People will hear sounds. People will see lights. They will see forms and figures. They didn't know what was going on. They were freaked out because they would hear cars starting. They would hear strange sounds. They would see lights driving through their living room. It would just be...

shocking until they found out that previously nothing had taken place. There was no murder. There was nothing horrible taking place. There had just been a car park where their house was built, but it just happened to be on top of a Tulleric line or one of these ley lines. And so that energy somehow had in there because nothing was aware. Like it wasn't like a haunting where there was something aware and you could react to it. It was just that

yeah, okay, like these energies do this kind of stuff. So this could explain why people have, you know, weird hauntings and weird experiences. Yeah, and like there's another one here of where people experienced in Perthshire a monk that would come out of their wall. It would just like wander out of their wall, walk back into the other side. Of course, they find that it connects to a ley line in another location. There were other unusual events like the girls hearing a rat-like noise climbing up the wall and down the other, but not on the roof.

Apparently, their telephone bill would be astronomical even though no one was using the telephone. They suffered a series of just terrible illnesses and violent allergic reactions. There was a lot of horrible things going on. But what they found in their research, and this is where it truly does become, just before I finish up this particular book and highly unconventional, there was a couple of examples of where he talks about the black spirals.

And these, and when you hear this, I kind of go, oh, well, this must be like some large black form, which is spewing up from these lines, because this is what, as you pointed out earlier in the show, Ben, some people have experienced that they go apart and multiples of people have witnessed like this energy and these lights and like beams, like shooting up out of the ground and like a geyser of the theoretic energy coming through. And that's if it's positive, but if it's negative, it's sometimes this black misty or, um, you know, like,

spiral kind of form, but sometimes you can have mini ones, like mini ones. And consistent with what I was telling you about how there's a precision to some of these ley lines where it can cause poltergeist activity in a very specific location. There was one example of where

there was this haunting where old granny had passed away, but she had a favorite chair, right? And granny would reappear in this chair all the time, freaking the entire family out. But it was just because her favorite chair was placed on one of these very precise lines. So if you just moved it. They moved it and guess what happened? Two feet to the right, it would be fine. Yeah. I mean, there was another example of where there was a house where a murder had taken place and it was like next to this bed and

And this bed just happened to be on one of these lines. And so the form of this, the monster, the man who had committed the murder would always appear. As soon as they moved the bed, the activity changed. We need an app or a device that can just map out these ley lines. Well, they move as well. Oh, great. And they move and they're influenced by, you know, sigils, but not just sigils, but our modern activities. Well, you put a microwave somewhere that might just slightly alter it.

and move it around. Wouldn't it be good though if you could point it at neighbours that you don't like? Yeah. Like that would be really convenient. It's like a directed to lyric weapon.

Just the barking dog next door. But that's what happens. You could actually direct that barking into someone's head. There was like one story that I was reading. I don't know if it was in this book, but there was a story I was reading today of where this woman would walk into this room of her house. Every time she walked in, there'd be Christmas music playing. And it's not like, if you've ever worked in retail, and it's Christmas time, and they play the same songs all

Over and over and over again. It's great when you're just going shopping once. Exactly. It's great when you just go shopping and you're in there for half an hour, an hour max, and you're out. But when you're there for eight hours or 10 hours during sales time, it's just over and over. This is what was happening to this woman. It was like Mariah Carey was in her head every time she opened this door. She's like, what the hell's going on? They found that there was this directed line that was coming from a shop that was playing music, Christmas music, and it was somehow, for whatever reason, stopping in her house.

It was like it was terminating right there. Oh my gosh. So then though, going back to the black spirals, this is where it's like you asked before, what were they trying to achieve? Well, it's trying to achieve an understanding and educating people, but also pointing out that there are health benefits and health negatives to this kind of stuff. And so there's health benefits where you've got the ancient Greeks and the Romans or whatever, and even older cultures would have like

healing baths that you could go to. And we would think that, oh, it's healing because the water has minerals in it. And sure, that has all of its own effects as well. But it also happens to be energized by these particular telluric or leyline energies. And that has an effect, a physiological effect on people, and it improves their health. But it can also have negative effects. So these people that

you know, I find that they're in terrible marriages, but like it's only happened since they've moved. Like they've only started fighting with their spouse because they've moved into this negative energy. But then it's becomes very much a physical problem. Like it starts manifesting physically. So there was this one woman who I believe had some terrible, like flesh eating bacteria. Like,

Like it was this horrible flesh-eating bacteria, which is extremely rare. It's because she was sleeping in the telluric line, wasn't it? She just needed to move two feet over. That's right. She was precisely in this telluric line. When they looked at the bed and they measured this, right? But there's a kicker to this story, right? So it was in her stomach, like where she slept, it

was through her stomach. What? Which is where the bacteria started and had started moving. And so it took ages. Like it was horrible. Yeah, it's like it's creating the perfect energetic environment for the pathogen. Her husband had liver cancer. And so he was like a little bit high, so the liver was a little bit higher. And it was because where this line was, it went so where the husband was, it would go through the husband's liver and then through her stomach. What?

Like a stream carrying pathogen downstream. Pathogenic energy. That's crazy. Like this black spiral of energy that ran like this perfect laser-like beam, like through the both of them. Wild. Like absolutely wild kind of stuff. And again, another reason, if any of this is true, to be able to map

these energies to be able to see where they are, detect them. Yeah, absolutely. And get a, order a protective bubble for your home. Yeah. I mean, there's another one here. So there was, he said, occasionally paranormal phenomena can escalate to horrifying incidents. There was a lady in Edinburgh who telephoned me for help. Her story was a truly horrifying one. Almost every night she was being savagely raped by an invisible entity. She described it as bestial.

determined and impersonal in its attack. And it took place even when her husband was with her, like right next to her. She'd been attacked where she'd lived at a previous location though, which is weird. So that suggests there's nothing to luric about it, right? But she said no matter what she tried to do to thwart this creature, it always caught up with her. And he's like, well, yeah, it's because somehow this is suggesting that these things, these entities are

they utilize these things to travel, right? They utilize these lines. So he goes into her house and he's like, yeah, there's a black spiral in your living room right in front of the television set. And there's another one that comes out in the center of your bed. And she's like, oh, that's weird because both my husband and I have been experiencing this horrible chest pain, like nails were being driven into our solar plexuses. And he's like, yeah. And the Lord's Prayer and apparently that didn't work. So we ended up getting a...

He used a sigil, right? He put a stone to alter the energy, and that seemed to eliminate most of the black energy. But a lot of the things continued to happen. Apparently, he got in some Arabian gentleman, he said, who eliminated it with the form of a ceremonial magic. And this man later said to me, the people in the UK do not know very much about these kind of things. And yeah, it's true. He's a jinn whisperer.

We had gin come up, you know, in the book as well, like truly just surreal stuff. Like there's, it, there's a, it's really well written this book actually. And it just has, you know, story after story after story. Uh, but I don't want to go into it in too great a detail because there's other stories I want to tell you. One thing that comes up is like barriers, like people describe encountering, you know, weird energy barriers that they can't pass through. Or, you know, sometimes these things, like you look at these, these particular petroglyphs, right. And, um,

the telluric current moves in a certain direction like most of the year, but apparently when it's hit by the sun at a certain time of the year, so whether it's a solstice or like they build a cave and then there's like a little slit in there for the moon to come through and on certain dates, it lines up with the petroglyph and that energy somehow like activates the petroglyph and it causes the telluric current to move or

or to change. Right, just like a video game. Yeah, but only for a certain period of time. Okay. So it's like the haunting that's in like House 9B will suddenly just turn it down the street. Now there's a haunting going on there. It's like this weird thing. But in the past, whoever built these things utilized it for their own purposes, whether it was for ceremonial magic or contacting entities, you know, who knows. And that's where the teleportation ideas come up. And again, I can't remember if it was that book or the other one I was reading, but it was like,

There's also reports of people that at particular times, where there's one of these telluric currents, it's almost like they're sucked into it. And then they find themselves somehow with missing time, but then at the exit point. And just wake up in the Philippines with no money, no clothes. But you say that. Not a cent to your name. But there was a report. Remember of the Spanish soldier? Yeah, that's what I'm saying. That teleported. He teleported from Spain to the Philippines.

Didn't he go from the Philippines back to Spain? I can't recall which direction. No, no, I think it was he went from Spain to the Philippines. But like, yeah, I mean, maybe this is explaining these spontaneous teleportations that take place. There was another example actually of where a guy had gone to meditate at one of these locations and he'd wandered over

And he was meditating. And as he meditated, he actually, he doesn't realize, but like the scene around him changed and it was all like this ancient kind of foresty kind of scene. And then when he kind of came to, because he came out of this meditative state, all he hears is, and it was like,

The guy behind him had been standing there. Watch. Sorry, I blew out your ears. You should put a limit on it. My God, dude. So the guy had been standing there just watching this scenery, right? He'd just gotten there. He was like enjoying the scenery. The guy that was meditating materialized in front of him. Sorry, I can't hear what you're saying. No, no, no. I can't hear you anyway. He completely materialized in front of him because the ley line had actually, he'd been sucked into it while he was in this trance-like state. And as soon as he came out of the trance, he came back out and out of it.

Like, so what are these things? What are they doing? What is happening to people with this kind of stuff? They're getting sucked into ley lines according to these two researchers. This is the thing, right? Does this explain why people being pixie-led or going off to the fey world, they're not even doing that. They're just being sucked into these earth energies.

these natural things that have always existed, but it's like, it has this effect upon people. But let me tell you a couple of these other stories that I wanted to go into of where it just becomes like just truly, truly strange. Is that from the other book you got there? Yeah. So this particular, no, this, I'll come back to that time shifts. And the reason why I ended up going to some of the time stuff is because of the ley lines. Like many people report that when they encounter these energies, that they actually undergo time.

time slips. They have missing time in some circumstances, they find themselves either going forward or back through time. But other times they actually see a time slip where they find themselves actually in another time, like medieval times, but it's right on this current. It's like the current pulls them in, drags them through, and then the energy dissipates. Yeah. I mean, that's often been the speculation with people that report those time shift stories, that some natural energy is just

thrown them out of the space-time continuum. It makes sense as an idea. Well, there was another great example of how there's this cliche, again, this trope that from a media standpoint of what we consume that goes through these ghostly white forms or a glowing green form. And he's like, yeah, that actually might be because these basically repeating holograms, they're in the telluric current, they're in the ley line, and they repeat, but they lose energy.

And so as they lose energy, they lose color. And ultimately that's why they go green and then they go white. And that's like where they've lost all of their energy. Oh, that's weird. Isn't it weird? That reminds me of, I can't remember the source, but it's someone, it might've been one of these 19th century out of body experiences, but someone talking about the afterlife. And if you don't, if you stay at the lower levels, your substance stagnates.

to disintegrate. You basically start to dissipate. Yeah. And so lower level entities are desperate for energy because it keeps them alive. It keeps them sustained. Where was it? I think this actually came from spirits. They don't feed, they fade away. There's a really great example. This came from Spirits of the Stone by Alan Richardson. Yeah.

I'll just skip down to it. It was an Australian woman, actually. I don't have her name here. It just says a young Australian woman has a marvelous story to tell. So she ended up going to one of these long barrows.

in the crones of England. I don't know exactly what that is. But apparently she was this delightfully humorous individual, but she had some unusual powers about her. And she said she went to this particular cave or this tomb that she was visiting. And when she got there, she encountered a spirit, pardon me,

a spirit guardian. And she said this spirit guardian at the mouth of the tomb was so drained of energy that it was suffering from what she termed psychic anorexia.

It was emaciated. She said this thing could barely, it was like the feeblest of gestures that this thing made. She's called it a poor old sod. So what she did, and it's like The Hungry Ghost, she went home and she got a bunch of chicken heads and offal and blood and made an

offering. Oh, God. And she said when she made an offering to this thing, the guardian regained its form. She said blood, according to occult law, contains etheric materials that spirits use themselves to regain their substance. After feeding upon the offering, the guardian roared and towered over them in the expected manner. He said that's better before strolling off. That's better. Thanks for the feed. Well,

And that's where one of the headlines starts to come up. So there's this other really great story. I think it was, of all people, Arthur Shuttlewood. I'm just moving around in my notes here. But Arthur Shuttlewood, we know from his research into UFOs. Here it is. So he was the one that did the Warminster UFOs, basically in the mid-1970s, Wiltshire UFOs.

which was already associated with a huge amount of unusual activity, was stalked by a bunch of UFOs. But he said that he came across reports of what people described as slithering snakes or serpents of the sound.

And he describes this encounter that occurred at Star Hill or Battleberry Hill. And he said basically there was this strange sound. He said we heard an eerie crackling noise emanating from the rain-soaked soil. So again, water involved with this. He said it was somewhat like static on the radio set with a distinct electrical element involved in this creeping carpet of sound.

It was as if a serpent was uncoiling and thrusting its sinuous length across the ground. It was a salivant snake.

We saw no rise and fall of the furrowed soil along its inclines, but we certainly could feel the humming and the hissing sounds directly below. It was accompanied by a weird whip-cracking sound and lashes of light of the slithering snake moving about and unleashing its invisible loops of skin, bearing its fangs and pronging towards us. He said, our nerves broke down and we ran. That was so terrifying. Could they see it or not?

I think they could feel it. It was more like they could sense the energy of this thing. But funnily enough, it's known that this particular site is protected by one of these guardians, like these weird mound guardians. But this one was in a serpentine form. It was almost like it was tapping into their consciousness. There's other reports of this going through. But one of the things I will raise up here actually is quite, let me just find it because I've moved it around, but it comes from Stonehenge.

So let me just bring it up. This woman essentially, she went to Stonehenge and she was rather arrogant in her approach because she was like, I don't know if she was Wiccan or she was part of some alternative belief system. It doesn't really matter. It's not relevant. But she thought that she would be able to contact the spirit of Stonehenge. So she goes there

And she wanders around Stonehenge and she does whatever practice she does. And she was so assured of herself because, you know, she super glue any crystals to the stone, but close, you know, how you hear people say when you're going to do these practices, whether it's in a Ouija board or anything else that you kind of imagine a white light in, in, in shrouding yourself.

she put on like blue energy armor. Your protective barrier. She put on this blue energy armor. Impenetrable. Impenetrable armor as she wanders through and she basically like summons the spirit guardian of this thing and it's

Like it's pissed off. And she was expecting, I believe, to have this kind of like, oh, you know, fill me with your wonder and let's have a lovely chat. This thing is like, what the hell are you doing here? It smacks her in the face electrically, like this blue electric energy smacks her in the face, pushes her into the ground. There's an eyewitness who can't see that going on, but can see her being pushed her face into the soil. And this thing's like, why don't you build a road next to Stonehenge? I don't know.

And like, it's just, it's really pissed off. And it's like, you arrogance of humans. And ultimately kind of like it, everything dissipates and lets it go. But it was because of this guardian was like so ticked off, but for whatever reason it was able, this person had gone and somehow had set it off. your earliest story made me think of the serpent mound in Ohio. Yeah. Right. Yeah. I've,

That's fascinating because look at that. Like that's consistent with that report. Yeah. It's the same kind of description. Very similar. They're describing it moving in real time. Yeah. But is this another scenario where they carved this into the location in Ohio because they were experiencing what you just described? Yep. I think that's probably more likely. So then there's this other story that comes up from a particular man. I don't have his name here, but it happened in Stoney Littleton Longborough, California.

And apparently there was this man who said, I was there with my then partner Jan and I'd gone and sat at the far end of this cell and I was meditating for a short while with the intention of sensing or experiencing whatever was there whilst Jan wandered in and out of the tunnels and the side chambers. I felt nothing unusual. But at some point Jan stopped and suddenly started getting very distressed. She got really upset. And

And eventually he comes out of his meditation and she says, Tom, will you just come here for a minute? Like, just, just come here. Like with this urgency, the sense of urgency in her voice. And this is why he did come out of the meditation and came forward. So there's his name. I said, I didn't have his name. It's Tom. So, um, he does. And she's like, oh, okay. It's, it's you. It's okay. You're okay. And he's like, what are you talking about? And she's like, while you were meditating. And by the way, this particular location sits right on one of these lines.

But this line, it's not just this line, this particular site, it lines up with the constellation of Taurus. She's like, while you were meditating and I was looking at you, there were horns growing out of your head. What? Like Taurus, the Taurus bull, these horns were coming out. And it just happens to sit with the ruling planet of Venus and align towards Taurus, which pops up at certain times. They're like, apparently it aligns at certain crucial times of the year.

So it was like previously had it been used by some type of culture or a group that understood the powers of these locations to use to tap into God knows what these things are. There was another woman who, her name was Claire, that she'd gone to a site that she only identifies as Silvery Hill. It doesn't give any other details as to what, but you'll understand why she calls it Silvery Hill. She said that she found this tree

And she sat in front of this tree and she was kind of, you know, meditating. And she said, I imagined what I didn't imagine as she was meditating, this silver triangle of energy appeared in front of me. And it was kind of moving in and forward and kind of apexing in on her forehead. It was coming in. She said it was extremely strong, this force.

And she said, I suddenly was out of my body and saw myself looking down upon the mound and I see this large horror symbol. And the mound seemed to be kind of an opening to another world that was very ancient and very safe. But as this was happening, where she was still in and out of her body, she said this beautiful silver young girl came out from behind a tree, like she was silver, completely silver. And she was childlike and very mischievous. She asked me if I wanted to see the future.

I thanked her, but smartly declined her offer, telling her I'd had enough to deal with in the present. She smiled and offered me a gift of a silvery stone before rejoining the reality of now. She said, I remember putting it in my pocket and that was the end of the experience. Nothing else kind of came from it. But it ties in with other reports of people saying that when they're at these locations, they can see through time. Why wouldn't you want to see the future? Because I think she's right. You don't trust these things.

You don't trust them. You don't know what they are. You get to see the future, but you don't get to come back. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Like who knows what's going to happen. Or you come back and 20 years has gone past. Yeah. And then so with these things, you've got apparently like angry druids that are left over. And there was this one particular druid that didn't, obviously in his time, he didn't actually know it well. And so for whatever reason, he'd gone to this particular site and had gotten trapped there as being the resident guardian.

And he goes to speak to them. And this is the witness. He goes there and he starts meditating and gets in contact with this druid. And the druid's like 1900 years old.

And he's like, yeah, you've giving off a really bad esoteric aura. Like you just need to get out of here. And the guy starts challenging him. He's like, yeah, but, and so all this druid can do because he doesn't know the practice very well is just repeat the same phrase like over and over and over. And he says, it turns out that this guy, because he'd stuffed up is fixed in his own time, maintaining a jealous theocratic hold over

over this small discarnate group of souls that are trapped in that location. What is going on? How do you accidentally become some kind of ethereal sight garden? Because he said after engaging in a heated discussion, he basically continued the same druidic dogma over and over, and that's all he knew. It became so very tiresome, and I could not persuade him to leave.

He did not want to leave his little congregation either. He said, I left this site feeling very bad tempered and have not returned some 20 years later. I have no interest in going back there at all. Someone needs to go tag team that guy, tag him in. Yeah, I mean, it's just, it's so odd, this kind of stuff. Do you have to serve the full 1900 years?

Yeah, who knows? Like, who knows with these people? Like, it's just so weird. Then you've got like roads, like running through these locations. And of course, like much like the previous report, when you have roads running through these locations, you find that there's weird paranormal activity taking place. You know, people will see not only spectral cars, but all of a sudden, you know, legions of Roman soldiers will appear or you'll have like hooded cowed figures appearing.

that will suddenly start appearing, but they all seem to line up with these energy locations and these lines facilitating the stuff to go through. And sometimes it's like really exotic with people seeing really crazy stuff, but other times it's just feelings, but it's felt by many people kind of reinforcing this understanding of what's going on. But then the other thing that comes up is getting stuck in time loops, right?

like time loops is the one that I want to mention here. So this is where we go to time shifts, experiences of slipping into the past and the future by Von Brashler. But there's a little introduction here. And the introduction is actually by Frank Joseph. And Frank Joseph says, look, the people that told me this story have no need to make it up. He's like, I know them, you know, I've worked with them. I've worked with Larry.

And it relates to Larry and his wife, Claire. So this happened in spring in 1990 in a South Chicago suburb. But they had gone, well, sorry, they were from a South Chicago suburb, but they'd gone to visit relatives in New Mexico. Now, while they were traveling through a Southwestern area of Missouri, they discovered that Interstate 44 was closed. So Larry exited the off-ramp following the signs of the detour.

Now this mid-afternoon, it was clear, there was broad pasture land, there was nothing really unusual about it, they didn't feel anything. But 15 minutes after leaving the expressway, they arrived at this charming little town. It had small shops, a friendly looking diner that was like out of that Edward Hopper painting, Nighthawks. It had this

big glass window and this very quiet, inviting atmosphere. On the streets were the traffic lights, the sidewalks weren't crowded, but there was this young redhead woman that was pushing a baby buggy across the park and there were some kids playing hopscotch there. There was plenty of other little bits of activity, but nothing that you wouldn't really pay attention to and you really know. It's just the

the reason why they notice it is because it becomes very prominent in their minds later on. They said that the main square, however, was dominated by this attractive vintage city hall building that appeared to be very well preserved. Immediately, I think it's like the clock tower added back to the future. This is what they're seeing. They said it was this tall brick clock tower. It had been constructed apparently sometime during the late 1800s. Today, it was shrouded by broad, well-mannered public parks and gardens. Claire noticed the time and she said, oh, it's like...

The hands had stopped at 1.30, but she's like, no, my watch is three o'clock. She's sure of it. She's like, oh, it stopped. So they go into this diner and they go and eat as they would because they've been driving for a while and they take a break.

And they go, what a lovely quaint town. Let's get back on and follow the detour. So they continue driving and they drive for another 15 minutes or so when they come across this other town and they come into the town and they're like, oh, that's so weird. Look, it's the same clock tower. And they start justifiably going, well, they must have built like a multitude of these towns. And some developers do that, right? They put the same infrastructure in, same design, all the way along. But then she's like,

it's the same diner. Like, why would you make the diner the same way? Like, why would you do that? And then they go- Actually, this is an episode of Star Trek Voyager. It's not actually. It's more a Back to the Future, but it's Back to the Future time loops because then they keep going and they're a bit freaked out because the reason why they're freaked out is because they see the same redheaded woman pushing the baby the same way. Now you can go, look,

You know, a woman's moving around town. That makes, maybe she's pushing it. People do that. So they leave though. They leave and they drive, they drive for another 15, 20 minutes. You know exactly what happens. They pull into town. Now I should note, by the way, the reason why they don't believe that it's the same town initially is because they noticed the clock tower was 1.30. Then it's one o'clock.

at the next place. Yeah, there's a television show that explores this idea where they come to this quaint little town and they keep driving out of the town and they come past the sign that welcomes you to the entrance of the town again. Yeah. And this happens time and time again. Time again. That's exactly what happens because they keep driving. They come to another town. They come to this other town. It's all the same. They're extremely upset. They're distressed. They're disturbed. They're horrified by what's going on because not only do they see the same woman pushing the same pram, same clock tower, except this time the clock tower is one o'clock.

And the next time it's 1230. It's like they're going back in time, this weird time loop as they're going through. And they keep on driving until eventually they're so exasperated that Larry puts his foot down and just takes off. And he's like just roaring as fast as he can until all of a sudden everything changes. Like there's this weird sense of everything changing. They don't really see it, but it's like they return

to this normal time. It's like a silence and then they're back on the interstate. They're never able to find it. It's very classic in the sense of a time slip that they're never able to find that town again. Not that they would want to, but it stands out as a very unusual type of time slip because of the recurrent nature of it, but also that the time was going backwards on that clock. But you would expect them to find the town again. It's not like it would just vanish. They didn't find it.

They didn't find it. So that would suggest it's not a time slip. It's some kind of alternate dimension. Maybe an alternate reality. And I wonder though, because there are these reports of these telluric currents, these ley lines of people experiencing time slips. So I'm wondering, did they somehow run into a weird telluric current and they can't find it again because-

for whatever reason, there had to be a set of circumstances to cause that event to take place, whether it was the weather, it was raining somewhere, altering that sigil, altering that petroglyph, which caused it to move a little bit. And I'm like, maybe that explains why so many people that have time slips are never able to find those locations ever again, because it's like, it has to be a specific set of circumstances taking place for this phenomena to take place. Look, I don't know. There's a whole bunch of other stories in here as well. One thing that came up, and I don't know if it was Vaughn himself who had this experience, but he talks about how

When he was 12 years old, he had gone to this berry picking place. It's like it was kids, it was school holidays or something. And the way for parents to kind of like entertain their kids is they'd all climb aboard this bus and they'd go to this berry picking place on the outskirts of town. And he says, look, it doesn't sound like a lot of fun, but it was. Like, we just, you know, run and play all day and eat a bunch of strawberries or berries and have a great day. But on this one particular occasion, he had this horrible fear.

like this horrible, awful feeling. Reloading. Well, maybe, but actually he's like, I've got to get out of here. And I start thinking about these negative currents, right? These black spirals. Because he goes and asks someone, I think the bus driver, if they can take him home. And they're like, no, sorry, we've got to wait until the end of the day. He's like, oh. And he's 12, so he's not entirely sure what to do. He's like, I've got to get out of here. I've got to get home. So he wanders out.

and he finds this railroad, right? And it's funny because railroads, for whatever reason, seem to parallel to lyric currents. And whether that's just because we've done that naturally, somehow humans just without recognizing it, we build it on, I don't know why that happens, but he finds this railroad and he starts wandering along this railroad. And next second, he's like out, he's out. And he comes to, and there's this railroad and there's this house. And he just somehow knows that that's his house. And he wanders into the house and he's so sick and he's gripping his stomach.

he had appendicitis, right? And he wanders upstairs. So the kid actually had appendicitis. He had a problem. And his mother comes home and they rush him to the hospital and he's fine. Like everything's okay. But he's like, that's really, he didn't really think about it until afterwards. He's like,

how the hell did I get home? How did I get home? And he starts to justify it. And he even points out, he's like, oh, I'm skeptical about these things. But he points out that he's like, yeah, but I kind of had this strange, I remember squinting up at the sky and the sun beating down and feeling hot, but I don't really remember anything else. Till years later, years and years and years later, he has another time sleeping in his backyard and I can't remember exactly what happens there. But it's years later, he's like, hang on a second.

There's no railroad outside that house. That childhood home I lived in, there's no railroad out the front. How is it that I came out of the railroad and he's like, hang on a second. He runs outside and looks. He's at this new house he's living in. It's his house in the future. Somehow, even though he ran into that as a kid, that's his house in the future that he's living in. So he's like, did I somehow in this state experience a time slip or a

It's like the idea that your life is laid out for you in some kind of destiny. He just jumped ahead on the record. Yeah. But then he still came back. So it was like, it somehow looked after him. Like it got him to his house. And then I immediately, because there's no link between these two books, it just happened to read it. I'm like, did he jump into some weird ley line or telluric current that teleported him to his home?

And because time is all at once, like there's those cliche sayings that was like, time is always the future, the present, the past. It's all one thing. Like it's all together. It's like, is that what happened? Like he got pulled into one of those lines, he could see it and it teleported him home. Reminds me of that story I covered a while ago of that English guy who,

For a school project, it was you had to paint whatever makes you happy. And he painted this beautiful house with the garden outside and the fence and the color of the roof was very specific. And remember he put a, I think it was a maroon Jaguar in the driveway because he was like, I always wanted a Jaguar.

But when he grew up, this was decades later, he ended up buying this little country home and he ended up buying a Jaguar. And then he'd forgotten about the picture. And then later he had found it. His mom had saved it and it fell out of some old documents and he found this picture and it was precisely the house he was living in. It was the exact same details, same color of car.

the same details in the garden. It was the same house. Well, this also fits in with things like, I don't know. So the question is, how could you know that unless your life was laid out? Well, this is the concept of, was it Nietzsche?

Was it like eternal recurrence? Have you heard of eternal recurrence? No. So eternal recurrence is this concept that it's like, Anthony Peake has touched on it, that we live groundhogged lives. So you live the same life over and over and over and over again. So it's like a form of reincarnation, but it's always the same ego, the same circumstance. And it's like, you've got to kind of adjust your life every single, because every decision you make, right, you make like one small little decision and it slightly alters your life each time. And it's till you can perfect your life. It's like,

some weird training for the next level. It's just an interesting concept, but I'm like, when you hear stories like that, so like deja vu and you know, that weird sense of knowing someone or knowing what's going to occur or premonitions, all that kind of stuff. It's just simply because of eternal recurrence, which is a fascinating concept, but that's for another show. So that means that you're the main character of everything. Like how does everyone else's worlds work with yours in that scenario? Well, in that scenario, you're not real.

Right. You're in, you're like a, it's a simulation, a simulated character, you know? So I don't know. Like, as I said, that's for my, the whole point of that eternal recurrence thing also was like, it was a, um, what was it? It's called like a, what's the term for it? It was like a philosophical kind of,

thought that you're supposed to consider. Yeah, it's like a thought experiment. Yeah, that's what I'm looking for. So I'll link to all those books in the show notes at mysteriousuniverse.org and of course I'll link to Brent's article which I didn't go into too great a detail but he describes some weird crop circles and UFO activity that's connected with that kind of stuff and there's also this great little documentary. It's quite

but it's called Skyways and Landmarks Revisited, and it actually highlights some of the research by Philip Heselton, Jimmy Goddard, and Paul Baines looking into ley lines and how they're connected with flying saucers as well. So that's something that kind of floats your boat. That was fascinating. Go check it out. Yeah, I like it. I need to get a seer in to check my house for ley lines. Oh, I'm sure there's like a multitude of them running through my place. There's a chair that I always stub my toe on. Yeah.

I bet there's a ley line. There's like a circle running through it. Running straight through the chair. Yeah. It's just cursed. And when you die, you're just going to like, people living in the house in 50 years from now will just see you like this form of Ben stubbing his toe in the middle of the night. I've hit it like eight times. It's because the legs go down like straight and then they flare out at the bottom. So you think that the chair is going down like that, but it's like,

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from this tiny village in Spain in the 1960s. There was only 300 people in the village. These four kids started to go into these ecstatic trances for hours. And when they came out of them, they described to their teachers and to their parents and to other people that knew them what they were seeing. And they all described the same thing. They were seeing an angel.

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