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Welcome to Mysterious Universe, Season 33, Episode 13. Coming up on this show, we've got fictional incursions, encounters with the shiny suits, and the humanoid mutilators. My host, Benjamin Grundy. Joining me is Aaron Wright. What are these fictional incursions? Ah, new book from Joshua Cutchin. Oh, I saw this come out. The long-awaited fourth wall phantoms, reflections on the paranormal narrative and fictions becoming fact.
He's had some bangers over the years, hasn't he? Yeah, he's had, was the brimstone deceit, which was the sense that people detect around paranormal phenomena, which is always like that sulfuric,
What's it not? Demonic. Demonic. It's been very, very late. Yeah. He's also was the other one, which was. Thieves in the Night. Thieves in the Night, which was really fantastic. Trojan Feast. That's right. And food. So yeah, really great stuff. So I'm looking forward to what he's got in this new book. Well, the last one was Where the Footprints End. And that came in at, I think, 12 million pages long. Right. Yep. So this latest one, Fourth Wall Phantoms.
794 pages. That's better.
And then in these strange moments, these fleeting moments, they seem to see this character in everyday life. That's right. This is like this thought form manifestation that some writers experience. And if I recall correctly, I think the demonologist Hans Holzer, didn't he look into a case of people that were seeing like a shadowy phantom in their apartment building? And then it turned out that the guy that wrote
the shadow had actually written it in that building yeah that's one of the most famous stories because that was in john keel's mothman prophecy right yeah uh yeah the creator of the shadow i'll be mentioning that later alan moore's one of the other ones that always comes up with john constantine
Oh, was he the V for Vendetta guy? Yeah. And he created the John Constantine character for the Hellraiser DC Comics. And he saw this character, John Constantine, on multiple occasions. But not only that, people after Alan Moore that worked on the John Constantine comic book for DC Comics ended up being one of their subsidiaries. Yeah.
one of the other ones, but they started to see him as well. Yeah, right. So when people external to you start seeing it, then you can rule out the possibility that it's just because you've been too caught up in your work and it's becoming to the forefront of your imagination. So you're seeing them everywhere. It has the hallmarks though, doesn't it, of Alexandra David Neal. It's got that same kind of feel to it because Alexandra David Neal, when she traveled to Tibet, she learned this knowledge about how to create a tulpic form and it got out of control. Yeah.
It's the same thing, although it's inadvertently done by these creators, by these authors. She spent months on- Trying to dissolve it. Well, dissolving it because it got out of hand, but intense focus and concentration to create it in the first place. And when you think about an author creating a story, creating characters, that's what they're doing. There needs to be a study, I think, and I don't know how it could be conducted, but
into the personalities of people that have doppelganger experiences or Vardiga experiences. Because I wonder if there's a certain personality trait, an ego trait, or even a form of narcissism or something, or selfishness or something like that, which causes people to project a thought form of themselves onto people around them.
So it just emerges into physical reality. Yeah, it's like you're thinking about yourself so much that somehow your ego somehow escapes from it. They're not thinking about themselves. They're thinking about characters. But this is what I'm saying. Oh, for doppelgangers or Vardiga experiences. I see what you mean. Well, you know, when Joshua, I saw this book was out and he's got this whole section on these fictional incursions because we've covered these stories over the years and I thought...
They're few and far between. There's not that many of them. And in comes Josh with 794 pages. The whole book, though, isn't like 794 pages of those types of encounters. Oh, there's a lot of it is. There's a ton of stories. I like it because I was reading the blurb to it, and it did say that's previously untold stories. So when I see something like that, I'm like, oh.
Well, he references this other work from 2023, I think it was, by Chimdambaram Ramesh. Well done. That's... Embodied imaginations, fictional characters making experiential crossings into real life. And this guy has got even more stories. So I started to go into this as well. And I'm not just talking about, you know, these comic book artists supposedly seeing fleeting glimpses of their characters. No.
There was a survey done by The Guardian years ago generally asking writers if they experience their creations, their characters having some kind of autonomy. And it was an amazing response. It was something like 60 plus percent.
Yes. The characters dictate the story. They decide what happens, where it's going. We saw this when we covered Tolkien recently on a PLOS episode where he basically said that he wasn't inventing anything. He felt like he was recording something that already existed. Yes.
So this comes up a lot, but also you get... That's a little bit different though, isn't it? It's a little bit different, but it's tied into the idea of tapping into something that is tangible and real, but in another place, in another time. And sometimes as I was reading through these fictional incursions, I got the same sense that these...
characters in some instances pre-existed and the author is just tapping into something that's already there. And this character, which already seems to have a full-blown sentience and full-blown molded character, starts to communicate with the author about what the story needs to be. And you hear this time and time again. I've got all these examples coming up in PLOS where authors, for example, an author will be like, okay,
I've got this character, but, you know, I need to write them out of the story. I need to end it, you know, tie up their loop, have them get married or have them die and
And they'll sit down and start to write it and nothing comes out. Because the character doesn't want to leave? Because the character doesn't want anything to do with that storyline. And as they kind of sit there, they'll start to dream of this character. In some instances, the character will start talking to them in their head and tell them, no, no, no, you need to put me on this cruise ship. I'm going to go somewhere else and do this. Like they're really experiencing what the writer's writing, but
And in some instances, which we'll get into the real extreme ones, the character literally shows up in their writing room. Okay. I like the extreme elements. That kind of helps. Yeah. So that's coming up in PLOS. Okay. Well, then we'll get into that in a moment, but let's jump into this show. And for this show, actually, I wanted to cover something that I found to be intriguing. So recently you and I have been talking about, you know, the way that the intelligence behaves behind the phenomenon and, you know,
Whether it's a ghost sighting or a UFO experience or anything, a cryptozoological experience, we never seem to be able to pin down exactly what it is. And this is what researchers for decades in any type of field, in any part of this genre in the paranormal, they find that the moment they think that they have the answer and understanding as to what is behind some of the highest of strangeness cases is
It's elusive. It just suddenly changes and something happens. And this came about because I was looking into the work of Butch Witowski recently. And now sadly he's passed on. But if you recall, Ben, he was with Pennsylvania MUFON. He was one of their lead investigators for a very long time. Um,
It's funny to watch how people like him have their approach to the paranormal change, to the phenomenon change. And he's stated on a number of occasions, things like when he first started looking at the UFO phenomenon, obviously being with MUFON, that's primarily what he was looking at. He thought that there was really no threat involved.
coming from ufological paranormal phenomena. So I was going to say paranormal phenomena. But as he kept on moving along in his experience, his opinion dramatically changed.
dramatically. It went from, oh, it's just a light in the sky, or we should be inquisitive. We should be curious about this kind of stuff too. If you encounter something, if you see a light, drive as fast as you can in the opposite direction, get the hell away from it. You don't want to deal with it. You don't want to get engaged with it because it's got something nasty attached to it. And I'm like, that's like,
really reflects what I feel about this phenomenon. As much as I've tried to describe that, you know, and we're talking about it recently, that it's like it inspires wonder. It keeps people from falling too far into materialism. Yes, it does. However, there is this underlying current of this negativity, of this nastiness that these things have. It's funny. I was reading one of Brent Rains' old articles from AP Magazine and he said,
He tried to reach out to this woman in the 1970s who was essentially the, well, the new leader of this group that believed they were speaking with inner earth people. Through channeling? Yeah, through channeling and the people that lived in Mount Shasta and all this kind of crazy stuff, right? And he had this back and forth where he was asking her about how she got involved and
She just started to talk about how she got interested in the topics. And she said it all started when they started, her and her husband started seeing UFOs flying over their property. I can't remember where it was in the United States, but it sounded like a rural area. And she said this happened time and time again until one night her husband, they had an encounter in the car and
Or just a light flying over the top. Yeah, a light flying over. They saw craft and eventually this is a really close encounter where the light started to come down and she said, I told my husband to stay inside, but he got out of the car and went up to this craft as it started to land. And they had this experience where he had to get back into the car where he was feeling really hot. He died like three weeks later. Yes. He was dead. Yes.
And she didn't run away from the phenomenon. She didn't think, oh, this is bad. I shouldn't get involved with this. She doubled down. Oh, no. And she's like, I got to get in touch with them and they're here to save us. I got to get in touch with the inner beings and Mount Shasta. It's like it killed whatever this phenomenon is. It killed your husband. Yeah. See, I think that's actually, and this is a topic for another show, so I won't go too great a depth into it, but I feel like
That's like the other side of the initiatory experience. Like we described the initiator experience that people have that kind of draws them into these experiences. They've never had an experience before. They've never dabbled or had any interest whatsoever in the paranormal, but then something happens. And usually it is a UFO experience, a light in the sky, occasionally a ghost in the house, and it
pulls them in. But there are other cases of where it's so extreme, it's so overwhelming and so clearly dangerous. And that's a perfect example, Ben. Rather than it getting all those people around it affected to go, I'm not touching this 10-foot clown pole. What do they do? They double down. They triple down. They go so deep into it. And then before you know it, you're a UFO cult leader.
That's literally what she was.
comes from things like blood, for example, genetic material, meat, you know, from cattle mutilations. And that's part of the big part of the show that I want to talk to you about is cattle mutilations, because Butch points out that, look,
What did start to change his opinion about this is the cattle mutilation phenomenon. Obviously, being in Pennsylvania, being a MUFON researcher, he came across a lot of these encounters. And they are extreme high strangeness where you really can't understand. And there have been discussions just over and over and over and over and over for years as to what's responsible for it. You've got people saying it's satanic cults. You've got people saying that it's devil worshippers, which is...
really the same thing, but less organized. You've got people saying it's UFOs because they see lights. There's a whole range of different discussions. The government is using helicopters, black helicopters to sample radiation or looking for Krutzfeldt-Jakob's disease or spongiform encephalitis, bovine spongiform.
We never really know what it is, though. But there are these little elements that pop up amongst cases that researchers see that they don't commonly report on, but it builds a bigger picture for them. They start to draw conclusions as to, hang on a second, this is not good. So there was one example that Butch describes only very briefly.
But he said that there was this one case of a cattle mutilation where this woman on a remote farm, obviously a rural location, and she'd experienced a cattle mutilation. I think she'd experienced a number of them before she actually contacted anyone to come and take a look at it because it really was just that bizarre and that unusual.
Now, she describes that when she had gone to inspect where this cow was, essentially that most of the cow had been obliterated. Like most of it was gone, which is a little bit different to what you hear from cattle mutilations. Normally it's the other way around. But from what I understand is that it left this essentially slab of steak, of meat behind. And it was oozing this strange green, almost luminescent in the sun color.
ooze. Like it was just like slopping out of it. This sounds like a comic book. It does sound like a comic book, but she picked it up and it stung her. Why would you pick up the ooze? Never pick up the ooze. Well, that's right. But she picked up the steak, like trying to work out what it was. But you're right. I'm the same. If I had weird cattle mellations going on in my property, I'm not going to pick up a piece of steak that's got green ooze coming up. But she picked it up and it burnt her. After it burnt her, it made her extremely sick.
Like, of course, much of what you described before, Ben, of like, it killed the woman's husband. You know, it's like these things, and you hear these cases of people that interact not just with the phenomenon, but particularly in cattle mutilations, where they see this stuff and they interact with it and they get sick. Yeah, she said her husband just had rapid internal organ failure. At first it was a sunburn, which went away and they thought, okay, he's going to be fine, but the doctors couldn't figure out what was wrong. He just, everything kept shutting down and he was dead. Well, strangely enough, a lot of the time it's a
kin to but not radiation poisoning. So it mimics the symptoms that you have. Some similar symptoms. Yeah, if you're suffering from radiation poisoning and yet there's no exposure to detectable radiation. But that's where it then ties into other reports of catamutilation that, well, this is the government trying to monitor what's going on. But I had a really good argument the other day
Why would the government want to do that anyway? Because they can get as much cattle as they want. There's so much red tape and regulation out there that people just comply with. There's no need for them to fly clandestine helicopters around. Even the argument that people go, oh, well, no, they're trying to keep it quiet. It's like- Why wouldn't they just buy the cattle? Exactly. Exactly.
Just all designate some legislation that it's like every hundredth calve you've got to hand over to the government to biological testing. I like how you're arguing against yourself from like nine months ago. Oh, look, my opinion is fluid and fleeting when it comes to these sorts of things with information that comes through. And look, this is one thing that people go, oh, you know, you're not willing to commit to anything. No, I'm not.
because there's no answers here. Depending on who you look at, you find that there is always a new avenue. There's always a new aspect. This is a multifaceted thing that's going on. Yeah, some cases may be that.
But it's highly unlikely that it explains everything. I still don't know what you've got coming up. We're already in it. We don't even need to know what's coming up. We're already in it. If you want time stamps, you can go screw yourself. So what we're going to talk about, though, is I wanted to then follow on from Butch because that grabbed my attention about the mutilations. I have to go to the OG of cattle mutilations.
Linda Moulton Howe, right? And I know that I've been critical of her at times, but I still think she is one of the best researchers out there. She is the GOAT. She is one of the best researchers out there, certainly when it comes to cattle mutilations. And talking about doubling down, right?
It's like John Keel gave up. John Keel's like, it's all nonsense. It's all garbage. I'm so done with this. You know what Linda did? She's like double and double. She tripled down. Quad down. Quad down. She's like, I'm not backing away from this stuff. I don't care how batshit this is. I'm just going to go dig deeper and deeper. I think it's not crazy enough for Linda. She wants it to be even more insane. Well, you know, I think that
when you've been in this field for so long, some of the stories, you start to become a little bit inoculated, I suppose. So if it's not crazy enough, well then, you know, like you'd kind of just throw it out with the bathwater. So when it comes to cattle mutilation, so even though Linda's been doing this for a long time and the cattle mutilation phenomenon continues, it's a worldwide phenomenon. It's been happening here in Queensland, Australia, the last couple of years.
You know, farmers and ranchers are reluctant to talk about it, but there are some people coming forward saying that it's still happening. It's usually associated with light phenomena. But to go and really understand what's happening here, we actually have to go back to go forward. So I want to bring you to this relatively obscure case, which has all the hallmarks of possibly demonstrating that aliens are indeed behind the cattle mutilation phenomenon.
And they're not necessarily interested in us. They genuinely are interested in the cattle. But for what purpose? Well, I'll leave you to decide that. So I want to bring you back to a case from 2007, but it actually starts a little bit earlier than that. We have to head to Tappan. This is North Dakota.
And this is a very, very isolated, I should say isolated, but poorly populated. I think at last look when I, I mean, 2007, I don't know, but I looked it up today. I think they've got like 167 residents in this particular town. It's 60 miles east of Bismarck and North Dakota. And it's this farming community. And it really does look like a traditional farming community. You can see the irrigation circle fields and that kind of stuff.
What we have to note here, though, is that it's not just the cattle that mutilations have been taking place with. There's something else going on here because there's been many unusual and strange animal deaths and disappearances in the region for quite a while. In fact, not too far northeast of this area, you find that you've got the Chase Lake National Wildlife Refuge. Now, here, 20 years ago,
29,000 American white pelicans just disappeared in May of 2004. 29,000. Didn't they just fly away? Don't say fly away. Fly away. No, they didn't just fly away. This is a refuge. There's all these birds and they're not here anymore. That's right. Yeah, no, no, no. They didn't just fly away. This is like, no one knows what happened to them. Maybe you could argue. You could just go, yeah, they just simply flew away. What's the location again? Let me look. So this is the Chase Lake National Wildlife Refuge.
This, of course, was in May 2004. But then, isolated, you can go, "Oh, yeah." They all just flew away. They just happened to all fly away. Well, no. Then in spring of 2005, you had 18,000 adult pelicans. They apparently just suddenly reappeared, right? But then they had 8,000 pelican baby chicks that died.
And no one knows why. There was some suspicion that perhaps it was from West Nile virus, but it was never confirmed. It's like, well, where did these things disappear to? They were unable to track what happened to the flock. Where are these, well, where did they come from when they returned? And why is it that so many of their chicks disappeared? Then in this area South, so South of Chase Lake is the Rossler Lake waterfowl protection area. For six years, between 1999 and 2004,
thousands of gulls and double-crested cormorants died. No one knows why it was extremely challenging to the US Fish and Wildlife Service. These sorts of die-offs are not normal for so many years at a time. Now, of course, there could be environmental reasons that could be occurring. There could be climate reasons, but none of that really seemed to answer what was going on. Look, don't
Hold on to that. Don't just use that to go, well, look, there could be a very rational explanation for it, but you've got leading scientists that looked into it that really couldn't determine exactly what had occurred. But in light of what the story is that I'm going to tell you, it makes you wonder if there is something more paranormal, ufological going on. Did North Dakota just have an influx of Haitian immigrants? No.
No, not back in 2004. No, not 2004. So with these families that live in Tappan, it's mostly farmers, obviously, but you have one family. This is the Breeze family. You've got Myra and Tori. They're in their late 40s. They've lived in Tappan all of their lives and they have five children. They've got Teresa, Trista, Evan, Tia and Marshall. Now, Evan is the most important person
in this particular story that I'm going to be describing to you. But this is a relatively medium-sized farm. It's about 1,200 acres. They only have 100 head of cattle. This is their main source of income. And Evan, who was 16 at the time when all this activity started taking place, this is roughly in 2006, 2007, where most of the strangeness took place.
Evan and his 11-year-old sister Tia would raise hogs. They had six hogs in a corral that wasn't far from the house in front of their long barn. Now, things kind of kicked off when a half mile from the pig corral,
Torrey, this is Torrey Breeze, found one of his cattle dead in October of 2005. And this was just over a small embankment at the edge of a dugout water pond, right? Now, when he found this thing, the reason why it got his attention was because none of the coyotes had come for it. Like,
But none of that. He's like, this is really strange because normally if a carcass is left there, you'll have scavengers and predators. They'll consume it. He says that didn't happen. This is Tori actually explaining. If you just play number one for me, please, Ben. This is Tori explaining what happened at that first event. Never ate on her. That is something that I just don't understand. In fact, I can tell you up the gully from where that dead cow is. Oh.
I had lost a big sucking calf, about a 900-pounder. I had some creep feet up there, and they over ate one bloated. And the coyotes devoured that thing in about five days. It was gone. Just a little bit of hide and a couple bones. That's it.
So that's the contrast. These two critters were that close together. That cow was never bothered, but this other calf was eaten within a matter of a few days. So that's weird. The fact that the locations are so close and one was consumed almost to nothingness, and yet this thing was just left lying there.
I don't know if it had initially the hallmarks of there being a mutilation, but it very quickly did because it laid there for such a long time that apparently it did start to change color in the sun. But then something happened that after it had been there for such a long period of time, something came along and inscribed something into the carcass. Now, what happened was is we find that on April the 6th in 2006,
Evan, who was a 16-year-old son at the time, decided to head over to this area of this dugout pond. He was paying attention to this long dead cow and he said he encountered something very strange. When he entered the water pond from the other side heading down the small embankment, he was about 30 feet from the cow.
He saw something very, very odd. But just play number two for me, please, Ben. The reason Tory Breeze paid attention to that long dead cow in April 2006 was that something very strange entered the Breeze farm near the water pond on the other side of a small embankment about 30 feet from the dead cow.
afterward as tory and his family explored the land around the water pond tory found a large disk-shaped symbol etched on the dead cow's hide next to two triangular punctures the disk was overlaid by six lines
symbols on the cow. So this is not just simply something that's occurring to the skin as a result of exposure to the environment. There is something very specific going in. Now we'll find out later on that as the activity increased around this farm, the UFO activity
the family started seeing lights in the sky. And some of this will be described to you in the audio that I have coming up. But it wasn't just simply that it was a ball of light that people were seeing. They were seeing grids appearing in the sky. And these grids seemed to be akin to the impression that was on the hide of this dead cow. Now, they have been up there numerous times previously. They've seen that it was lying there, that there was no markings in it. And then yet suddenly, there was...
something there. There was this impression there. Now, you also find that around this time that there was UFO activity taking place. And this was because, let me just play for you Evan describing some of these lights that he saw. Now, also, if you're watching the video to this, some of these drawings that come up have actually been, they're just colored drawings. They're rather crude, but they express what's going on. It's Evan drawing what he saw. Okay, I see. This is those reach to the top of the hill where there's an embankment down to the dugout.
Got to the top of it and I seen a UFO sitting by the dugout. Looked triangular shaped to me and had like oval shaped lights on it that were real pale blue, the beam was. And you know they're real big from what I could see. It looked like they could bend over hills. When they would shine over them and bang fence down there it looked like they could bend right over them.
And it was as if they were looking for something? Yep. And when it took off, did it make noise? What happened? Completely silent. Not a sound. So this is strange, apart from the fact that he's wandered across a UFO, a triangular-shaped UFO, which is just sitting on his family property. It's also that he described there that the lights bended. They bent with the curvature of the land.
So this is something that comes up in other UFO cases. And in fact, there was a UFO case from Victoria here in Australia where a man was driving home one evening. He came across what appeared to be a landed UFO. But the reason why it got his attention is because as his lights were on the road, because it was dark at night, as he's driving with these headlights, he noticed that his headlights actually bent towards the UFO. It actually pulled it towards it.
This is consistent with these reports that these UFOs seem to be able to alter the physics of light. And this is strange what he saw because this triangular shaped craft, as you can see with these strange light blue orbs that were towards the sides and bottom of this craft, they were also shooting out light. There was light that was coming out from it that grabbed his attention. His dog was really freaked out. It's not included in the audio there, but apparently the dog...
normally would react to something like that, anything new, any farming equipment, machinery, vehicles. But he said that his dog, he looked down and his dog was in shock, like a dog to be disciplined. Ultimately, the dog kind of calmed down and went running down the hill towards this thing. But as soon as it got close, this craft took off into the night sky. Now, the following day,
The entirety of the family, I believe, went to inspect this site and they found there were impressions in the ground. But let me play for you. Play number four, please, Ben, where they describe some of these impressions. The craft that he seen sitting there was sitting between the banks on the east side, on the far side of the water. And that craft was sitting on the same side that the dead cow carcasses. So whatever, etch that on there, cut it on there, whatever word you want to use, done it a long time after this cow had died.
Was that the symbol? That was the symbol. That was the actual, that was a photograph of the actual impression that was made in the hide. And, you know, he asked a great question there. Like, who would have done this? How could this have been done? Like, it wasn't done before.
And it's very specific, right? So people can go, well, this is some type of a cult symbol. You have to remember, this is a small town. You don't have these clandestine groups of Satanists that are just waiting to find a dead cow somewhere to mark these inscriptions into them. And certainly they're not capable of causing them to be replicated in the sky. The thing about this image is that the idea with cattle mutilations is that they're precise images.
The precision is something that human beings can't achieve. And yet this carving on the cow looks crude and something that anyone could do. But if you notice there as well, so there's like five lines. Do you see that there's five? One, two, three, four, five lines. There's one crossed in the middle there. But that might bear importance later on. Just keep that in mind. It's rather wide though. So it doesn't necessarily seem to be some type of hand impression, perhaps nail marks.
But maybe it is. But before we get to that, and you know, Linda Moulton Howe, she actually says that this particular case is one of the very few cases where anyone has gotten so close to a humanoid that may be responsible for these encounters. But before we get to the humanoids, we have to talk about the rest of the strange aerial activity that seems to be escalating.
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This is what happens in so many of these cases as well, is that it starts off with, oh, that's a bit weird. That's unusual. That's strange. But then as they start to become inquisitive and investigated, the activity ramps up. And maybe this does have some type of thought form or energetic reason to it, but it draws upon the fear or the concern, or even just the inquisitive nature of the people that are interacting with it, which is
grants it more energy to be able to really explode into the activity that is just overwhelming for people. So four months later, on the 20th of July in 2006, it was roughly around 11 p.m.,
Tori was actually helping one of his neighbors. Apparently, his car needed to be repaired and he needed a lift to wherever the vehicle was being repaired. And the two men were driving and as they were driving along, apparently, they both saw blue lights in the night sky. But these blue lights were making L-shaped patterns.
as if searching for something. And if you recall just before, Linda asked that question about the craft as well. Were they searching for something? Were they searchlight functionality that was going on? This is the impression that the witnesses got to this, is that they was seeking out something, which makes you think, well, it's in connection to cata mutilations.
clearly it's seeking a victim. Like clearly it's seeking something, but that's, you know, the conclusion that you can kind of come to. Well, on this night in July of 19, oh, sorry, 2006, as this activity is taking place, talk about interacting. 20,
Tory actually interacts with it because he stops the car. And as soon as he stops the car, the lights stop and start coming towards them. He then pursues it. He moves towards it. It seems to back off. And there's this cat and mouse game going on where it's like, this isn't just some natural phenomenon in the sky. This is that it is connected to him some way. There's some type of understanding, a link between the two, which for me is already suggesting that this is what Butch Wachowski was warning people about.
Don't interact with it. Don't entertain it. Run away in the opposite direction. But he doesn't do that. He says eventually this thing does rapidly take off into the night sky. But he's beginning to believe, he's not entirely sure, but he's like, is this light, this blue light that I saw that was behaving in this fashion, is it the same as the blue light from the craft that sat down in the water hole in April on his property? So then...
You get to August of 2006. And in August of 2006, approximately two and a half miles northeast of the farmhouse, Torrey was actually moving cattle out of his bull pasture. And Myra, who is the wife and the kids, were about a mile away. Now, Torrey had a motorcycle that he used to corral the cattle. And he said that for whatever reason, the light wasn't working, but he was still able to do his work because it was a full moon and whatever else was going on.
He later on describes, though, that the entirety of the pasture before him, like 40 acres or something, is lit up in a brilliant white light. Play number five for me, please, Ben.
I got to the crest of the hill and I looked southeast and there in the gullies, I seen some real bright lights. They weren't a blue light, they weren't a green light, they were just a light. Very bright, more like a car headlight or something like that. I stopped the bike and sat there and watched and it was totally silent, but there was like tens of lights, not two lights or three lights, a bunch of them. Then I started the bike and came down so I could move the cabin to that gate.
As I got down there by the gate with the bike, one of these lights came our direction. I started getting a little bit concerned because it started illuminating the pasture to the south of us like almost daylight. It illuminated acres, you know, like 30, 40 acres. Well, these things would come at us, you know, they were a ways off. They were about two miles away. And then all of a sudden they would divide into like three acres.
And they would go kind of, well, if you took an intersection sign and you do a straight, one going down the middle and two branching off to the side. And then they'd go down into the gullies and then you'd see one for a while and then it would come up and the other side would do the same. And they did this pattern over and over. Yes. It was looking like they were looking for something. Yeah, very weird. Again.
They're looking for something, but why are they doing it so obviously? Why are they so conspicuous about it? For me, it goes from, well, is there a possibility that they're just so arrogant or they don't understand that they are just...
looking for whatever's down there and they don't care if they're viewed by humans. And that might be what's going on. And that will become relevant towards the end of the show, where I describe a really outlandish story, which suggests that the alien creatures have no understanding of humanity whatsoever. They're just really obsessed with the cattle. Again, we don't know why. Or is it that...
this thing is trying to get the attention of the ranchers so it can continue this strange activity. And indeed, it really does take off because then you get back to Evan, the 16-year-old son. Now, Evan, with all of this activity going on, the family getting spooked out really by what's occurring. But Evan, for whatever reason, wakes up at around one o'clock in the morning. He doesn't know why he wakes up, but he feels he needs to get a glass of water. So he wanders downstairs.
He wanders downstairs and he starts pouring a drink of water from the faucet in the kitchen. And he looks out the kitchen window because the kitchen window overlooks the corral where he has his hogs. There's six of them or so over there. There's one that he said, they're like pets. It's not like they're there for the farm purposes. They're just like pets that he and his sister were raising. And he said one of them was very docile and mischievous.
You could go and give them a scratch, and this is what he liked to do. But when he looked, he said the corral was connected to this barn, and he could see these figures. He's not entirely sure what, but these figures, a couple of them at least,
moving about in the corral. Now he says that the yard is lit by yard lights, but it's not enough light. It's enough light to see movement and something's going on, but he can't make out what it is. So for whatever reason, he goes and grabs his .22 and rushes outside to see what's going on. Now I've got some audio here of Linda actually interviewing him about what he saw when he saw these things crossing into his hog corral.
Grabbed my .22 and walked up there, and I could hear the pigs. One of the pigs riled up. And I started walking up there, and pretty soon it was just dead silence. Dark, you know, from what I could see, because they pretty much had shadows cast on them. And real skinny looking. And had these big hands on them. So I could kind of see them in a way. Because when I go up there to feed my pigs at night, I can kind of see them.
What did the hands look like? Just long with those claws on them. Whatever they were made for, they were made to really do some tearing, you know, or cutting. I think they were hooking her and kind of pulling her.
And I walked up to the gate. I don't know what drove me to do it, but I jumped in there right away and shot one of them. Yeah, kind of hopped around and made this funny noise and just a weird screech. Well, there was one bent over the pig kind of screwing around with her. And then there was another one that came up and was kind of helping him. The one that came up and had his shoulder towards me. The one that was filling around with her first had his back towards me.
Because when I walked in there, they both kind of got startled when I was there and I shot the one from the side. I know I hit him because he made that noise. So there's a lot to unpack here. But as you can hear from the audio, he's run out. He's realized that there are these weird, tall, skinny humanoid creatures. He doesn't describe them as being greys. I know you've thrown up a little bit of AI imagery there, Ben. But he doesn't really go into any great detail about exactly what they look like. There is this grey kind of feel to them.
But he describes something that we don't commonly hear with grey encounters, and that's that they had these hands that had these long metallic-like bladed talons on them is the only way to describe it. Now, it's not being said in any of this audio or the research that I looked into from Linda, but I do wonder, is that what we're seeing in the markings on that carcass, that something tried to grab it? I mean, it looks like it's a little bit more
You raised the point, right? Like normally when you have some type of mark left, it's more precision, it's lasered. But this, like, has it attempted to scratch out a piece of tissue? Is that what it was trying to do? Did it kind of just use its talent to kind of draw around the outside and just was expecting to pull it out, but it didn't work for some reason? I mean, it looks like it's from a machine or something because the lines...
don't look like random scratches. Well, they do look a little bit drab. They look at the distance between them. So there's a different, there's not equidistant between each of those lines. It's more consistent with what a hand would be or a finger would be or the finger distance. Maybe. So look, I don't know. I'm just obvious. And that's all we can do is we can speculate as to what's occurring here. But the fact that he described that, you know, he saw this docile sow of his, which was deceased. He was pretty sure it was deceased because he said, despite being docile, you wouldn't be able to
drag it the way that it did, but also seemingly was using its claws. There was no apparatus or mechanisms. There's no instrument that it was using. It was using its hands to claw this thing and to drag it somewhere. Now where that was, I'm not entirely sure because he doesn't describe if there was a craft and I'm sure that there was a lot of adrenaline running through his body and he was so freaked out. Again, he's 16 as well to confront something like this, but then shooting one of these creatures and for it to
He actually described the sound that it was making is that it certainly wasn't human. It wasn't animal. Do you have audio coming up where he gets a regression? I do. Yes. And he goes on board and they're like making bacon or something and they offer him a bite like that famous South American case where they took his horse. Yeah, they served up his horse and then it was like being pushed by, oh, this is a really positive spiritual encounter. No, it's not.
I just cannot understand. I'm pleased you raised that. I cannot understand how people are so...
captured by this UFO narrative, which is going on at the moment. In fact, I think I saw only recently, was it Jacques Vallee? Don't quote me on this, but I think it was Jacques Vallee who was like, I'm very concerned about the information right now being released by the government and how the government is in control of the UFO narrative once again. And this is something that I've been saying for a long time here. Like so many people are caught up in how exciting it is that the government is coming forward and the tic-tac stuff is coming out and you've got
these whistleblowers coming out. The government's controlling all of it. And what have the government always done with this stuff? They've controlled it. This is not a safe thing. And this whole, these aliens are coming to help us and they're all nice. I've really got a hammer at home. I know I'm flogging a dead pig here, but it's not safe. It's not good. And cases like this, even though this is 20 years ago, 19 years ago, it highlights just how dangerous this stuff is. So we did, let's get back to it. He shot this thing. This thing
We don't know at the time, right? But after he shot it, he described something very strange because he said he feels like a heat or a pressure behind him. And in the hypnotic regression, this number comes out. The number that comes out is five. And it's open to interpretation, right? But what we know is that he said that when he was looking at these creatures, two of them were messing around with the sow, but there were two others that were hovering around the location as well. So there was four of them that were in the pen.
Five is the one that comes up behind him and grabs him. What happened to your sweatshirt? I think he grabbed me by my t-shirt because I had a pretty baggy t-shirt on. This would be the entity that grabbed you from behind? I think he grabbed my t-shirt and swung me down. How many tears? What happened? I think there was probably about five tears in it, like fingers.
They were all placed just like a big hand, thumb on top, obviously, because whatever was grabbed from the back. So if you're just listening to the audio, essentially what he's showing there in the picture, and that's a picture of him, is that something reached around from behind him, clawed across his chest, and made very fine cuts, five very fine cuts in his T-shirt. But the astonishing thing is you'd expect that if you have an experience like that, that you would have cuts to your chest.
He had none. He had two small red marks to his chest that faded within a week after this encounter. Well, all those scratches are on the front of the shirt. It reached around from behind. So it's like it came up and hugged him, reached over the top of him and then like clawed across his chest. And he wasn't bleeding from that at all. He wasn't bleeding from that at all. That's crazy. Not at all. And you hear this as well, though. I mean, how many times have you heard reports of people having interactions with UFOs and
They have damage to their body, but they'll have damage to their clothing, I'm sorry, but none to the tissue underneath. If you just took this kid on his own and you said some monster grabbed me from behind and tore my shirt open, you can see a scenario where the investigator's like, oh, well, show me the wounds. And he's like, oh, well, there are no wounds. You're hitting on something there. So immediately...
He made it up. It didn't happen. I think this is part of this inbuilt mechanism of the phenomenon to do this kind of stuff. Right. Like how, and we've done shows on this before a long time ago about this idea that remember that like sometimes the faking of it like seems to propel it. It's like the intelligence behind the phenomenon deliberately tries to make it like something is fake so that the witness won't be believed. So,
So, I mean, this occurred in 2006. It's seven, this one. Cattle mutilations are pretty well known. It's a well-known trope at this stage. This family, unfortunately, had a couple of dead cows. Is it possible that this kid thought, okay, let's make this...
Sure it is. Yeah, absolutely. He did the markings. The markings look very basic. He came up with the story of the aliens and then he got out and cut his T-shirt with a pair of scissors. Sure. Absolutely, that's a possibility. The thing is, look, and you have to remember, this is 2007 Linda Moulton Howe. She is convinced that they are very...
genuine about what they're describing their experiences. You have to remember, they're just in a small, sparsely populated community that they're having weird experiences. And I just don't think that you would go to the effort of making, because really, what do you expect to make out of this? It wasn't like you could go viral back then or suddenly start kick streaming of cattle mutilations and making money out of live streams. They're not going to make- Get on TV.
That's the only thing. But even if you could get on Earth Files. How long would that last? Well, you don't make money from Earth Files. Linda's not paying people that are coming forward with their experiences. Look, if the kid did it, he might have just did it because he was bored. That's a possibility. But.
But Linda says that she's quite convinced that that's not what's going on. And you've got to remember, he's 16. He actually behaves, when you listen to the audio of him speaking, he does just behave like a 16-year-old boy who has had something very unusual happen to him. But of course, yeah, you're right. Hypnosis does come into this. And we start to understand, well, because he said essentially that after he had this experience, he blacked out.
Like there's something reached over him. He blacked out. When he came to, he had this awful headache. He said it was just an unbearable headache. He went running back to the house and kind of fell into a slumber from what I understand. But he was put under hypnosis and the hypnosis revealed some interesting elements about these beings. When he was under hypnosis, he is going on saying that the entities are all staring at me in fear.
They are scared of me. And the hypnotist, Craig Lang from Minnesota, a professional hypnotherapist, said, where are you right now? And Evan says, standing in front of them, looking at them, they are kind of telling me that they don't want anything to do with me.
And the hypnotist asked him to move on further. And he sees this one limping that he shot and says that the entity is holding its side. And the hypnotherapist asks, what else does he notice? And Evan says, and they are staring back because they are not here to fight with me.
So let's look at this. When he undergoes the hypnosis, it becomes apparent to him that they're not interested in him whatsoever. Now, this is in contrast to what I was going into with Butch Wachowski because he was like, no, there are human mutilations. This is something that we've covered. There's a number of researchers that looked into this. Lon Strickler has reported on it. There have been numerous alleged human mutilations, both in South America and in the UK, but possibly in the US as well.
of where you go, well, then what is happening to these people? You would think that this young Evan kid, if he's coming across these humanoids, which are clearly responsible for these particular mutilations, that he himself is in danger, but that's not what we get from it. We get from it that these beings are like,
What are you doing here? You're not supposed to be involved in this. And he said, and it's not included in the audio there, but he actually said that at one point they're all bowing their heads. They bow their heads to him like it's some type of capitulation to him. Well, it seems like just from that snippet of audio there, there was some kind of telepathic communication. Yes, but we don't know what that is. How else would he receive that information? I mean, clearly he's saying he's receiving the information. They're not there for him. They're there for the pig. Yep.
Uh, so yeah, it does have the hallmarks of other encounters, but, um, yeah, I mean, how, how does this situation occur? Like, why do they need a pig? Yeah, exactly. And what, and no one knows what happened to that pig because I never found a carcass. This is the thing. They never found a carcass. It just disappeared. It was just gone. Now, of course, remember at the start of the show, I was describing what there's been these weird disappearances of animals all through this region. So, uh,
See, that's more expensive to fake. Exactly. You're going to do a hoax and destroy or remove your own family's farm animals. Exactly. You're totally right. So what Linda points out, though, she says, and this is what researchers have the advantage of doing, is that when they do a lot of research, you can connect the dots. You can start seeing parallel similarities in cases. And she says, look, there was a case from 1980. It's rare.
But it was enough for her to recognize that there's a similarity in this. Listen to this case from 1980. This is number nine? Number nine, please. Yes.
I was investigating a human abduction case that occurred the week before Thanksgiving of 1980, and it was a husband and wife had been driving north of Denver, Colorado, when suddenly a blue light, another blue light, surrounded them in their car and they lost about an hour of time. Well, in separate hypnosis sessions, social scientist, hypnotherapist, UFO researcher, wonderful person, Richard Sigismund,
He did hypnosis with both of them and each told what happened aboard an egg-shaped craft in which there was one tall, rather handsome-looking being in what they described as a sparkling blue garment. Evan talks about shininess, maybe metallic. They talked about a sparkling blue. And there was at least one other shining.
shorter gray entity that neither the husband or the wife liked. And the wife also saw many red hooded, smaller figures. And then later in a discussion after hypnosis, the wife said that the tall being, and this is a quote, perceived my anger and said, we didn't mean to hurt you. And then she thought the tall being took her into a room where her
This is a quote. These people all have their heads bowed at me, and I'm thinking, he's trying to make me feel good, and I'm not necessarily going to buy it.
Good. That's good. Good. But do you see, like, they're bowing to her? This is rare. This is extremely rare hearing this in abduction reports. Yeah, I've never heard this before. No, and yet Linda had investigated this and she's reporting the same thing happening with young Evan. Now, there's a lot of parallels here because she said that when she was talking to Evan and he was describing his experience, and there's a lot in there, but he essentially says that, yeah, one of them is taller than...
And then there's slightly smaller ones that are performing these other duties, like paralleling with what was described in that earlier case. But then you can go, okay, maybe there is a possibility this is just a young boy, but it's not him. It's not only him who's describing these encounters. Yes, he's the only one who encountered the humanoid beings, but the entire family has been seeing the lights. The neighbors have been seeing the lights. And it just so happens that months later,
A neighbor with no connection to this at this point whatsoever has a strange experience. In Tapa, North Dakota, there has been a focus on animals that have gone beyond the Breeze farm because on Tuesday, October 24th, which was more than a month after Evan's encounter with the entities dragging off the dead sow in the corral,
A neighbor within 10 miles of the Breeze farm was absolutely stunned to find his dead prized sheep buck that he used for breeding. And he had been out and checked his sheep and that buck the night before October 24th, and everything was fine. But the next morning, that sheep buck was dead, and there was no signs of struggle. There was no blood. And he was so puzzled.
about this dead, wonderfully strong sheep that he asked a veterinarian to do a necropsy. But that's when the veterinarian discovered that one testicle and one testicle only had been removed in a precise cut at the bottom of the scrotum. The testicle had been pulled out, had been excised straight across surgically. The veterinarian acknowledged this, and the official cause of death was put down as unexplained
Oh, I bet you it's unexplained. Why would they only take one ball? Who knows? Isn't this bizarre? Two's just being greedy. Well, but it's a really good question. Like why? But this is the family that was trying to get some hoax because they wanted a TV deal. And yeah, I know back then that these sorts of shows were all the rage. Like it was, that was the thing that people were doing.
I don't think you would go to the effort to wait months to somehow surgically remove the testicle that's undetectable in the cause of death from your neighbor's prized buck. And what was the image you attached to the MP3? That image was what was drawn by Evan of what he sawed in the clawed hands of those creatures, those humanoid creatures that were in the hog corral.
So this is all a very, very strange report and a relatively obscure report, but it does have a lot of importance, I think, in the ongoing narrative of what the cattle mutilation phenomenon is. Because what you have here is very obviously UFOs and humanoid entities that are seemingly alien entities, but these alien entities...
are kind of behaving in a way if we just want the cattle, we don't want humans, which is contradictory to some of the things that we've been covering recently and what other researchers have looked into. But there's one thing that came up that I wanted to just go into a little detail. Just play number 11 for me, please. You got it. Did you have any impression that the tall entity or the others had on anything that we would call clothing?
They were shiny. The surface seemed to be shining. Yeah, kind of, yeah. So the issue would be if it had on some kind of armor that was shiny or if that was the nature of whatever they were. Yeah.
So very typical response from a 16-year-old boy. He's just like, yeah. But he did highlight that they seem to be wearing shiny one-piece uniforms or shiny one-piece suits. And this is something that comes up in many, many cases. But normally with the shiny suits, whether they're silver suits or blue sparkling suits, they're normally connected with contactee reports. It's like the Venetians are wearing them or the Nordics are wearing these things. But this is a little bit different. These are entities that appear to be much...
non-human. Like they are far away from the contactee reports. So I started digging around and you happen to find that, yeah, over and over and over, whether or not it's like little person reports, cryptozoological reports, many humanoid reports, you have these beings in either shiny or silver suits. And Australia is a hotbed.
For this type of activity, you've got farmers involved with cattle mutilations who claim to have seen silver suited beings fleeing their properties. They think they're humans, but they never are able to get to the conclusion, to the end of it. I'm like, well, how is it that a report from, you know, like the mid 2010s
in Australia is starting to coincide with a report from 2007 in the US. I was going to say, I'm not surprised though. I've read a ton of accounts of non-human looking entities that are wearing silver suits. Wearing these space suits, these shiny suits. So just listen to a few of these reports that kind of highlight just the variety of these, you know, one piece suits in these beings. This is from Adelaide in Australia. You have the report of Samantha Kay. This is from September of 1984. She was walking home from a late shift at a local restaurant where she worked and
And she said she stumbled into what she described as simply a little man. Like she literally stumbled into him. He was two feet tall. He was racing across a quiet road. He was dressed in a shiny silver one-piece suit and a large helmet.
He vanished into a nearby alleyway and Samantha said she was too amazed to be scared by the weird experience. Like a two foot tall, weird dwarf-like creature getting around? A similar saga also comes from Janice Bakewell, who encountered a UFO, a small UFO, extremely small, in Marlborough and Wiltshire, England in January of 1977.
Similar to a report from Frank Banner in 1971, Janice was walking through the woods with her dog. It was early one morning when she heard a loud buzzing noise that quickly filled her ears. She said clearly it distressed her dog. She was puzzled, looked around, but to no avail could see anything.
She said about two minutes later, everything became alarmingly clear for out of nowhere came a tiny, a tiny flying saucer. She said it was hovering at about four feet off the ground in a small clearing of trees. It was circular in shape, silver in color, and had a red band around the middle. It was barely four feet across and she watched astonished,
As the small craft settled to the ground in this weird wobbly fashion and a small door opened, she recalled that she held her breath, wondering what might happen next, and she soon found out. Out the door flew three to four inch tall small humanoid figures that were clearly female and glowing brightly. They fluttered about in front of her dressed in silver mini skirts.
dancing across her arm before climbing back into the craft and flying off into the sky. How is this not a fairy encounter? I know. It just happens to have a UFO in it. That's the thing, though. It's like, this sounds like a fae folk encounter, and yet you've got a UFO connected to it. But this silver shiny, in this particular case, it's like little skirts. But in the previous report, like a two foot tall weird guy getting around in a silver suit. Why does this happen so frequently? It also happened in Japan.
There's this really interesting report that comes from April of 1975, and this is on the island of Shikoku. It was reported by a local resident by the name of Shioto. He was working at a city landfill when he saw something very bizarre. He said, amongst the rubble, he spied a luminous figure in a metallic suit wearing
hovering seven feet off the ground. He described it as an alien cosmonaut. The being itself was said to be around six feet tall. It smoothly descended to about a foot off the ground before floating towards the startled witness. Apparently, he started much like what was described by Evan. He said as soon as this being got close to him, it caused him to develop a sharp headache that increased with intensity the closer the being got. This headache became absolutely agonizing
causing him to run away. So it's like a defensive mechanism, perhaps, that's built by these or inbuilt with these beings. Shota then became determined to go back to the scene of this strange encounter and take a camera with him to possibly capture this being. He did. He went back to that same landfill night after night for a whole week, hoping to catch another glimpse of this otherworldly creature. And then on March the 31st, his patience apparently paid off.
He claimed that he experienced that familiar head-splitting headache knowing that this thing was going to return. He huddled in the darkness, looking out where he said he could see this bluish cloud-like light hovering approximately 300 feet away. He said it was described as an electrical disturbance. It was a cloud of electricity or shimmering light. He peered through the gloom at this humanoid who started to emerge from its center.
Now, once again, this being glided towards him and he was able to take a series of photographs of this strange entity. Now, as if realizing that it was being photographed, the creature then veered off at great speed and then vanished or dematerialized into thin air. Now, Ben, wait for it. This is the photograph that was taken of the being. Oh, you got the photo. I do have the photo. Let's go.
Yeah, okay. That's thrilling. So look, highly controversial image. It appears to be a very blurry image of a man in a beekeeping suit. Yeah, beekeeping suit, something similar. You know, who are we to know what to make of this? Joshua Cutchin talks about this idea in the book I'll be covering in the PLOS extension because it's connected to the
the concept of the co-creation theory. Have you heard of that? You've actually discussed this quite a lot over the years. It's the idea that the phenomenon presents itself to whatever Rolodex of information the eyewitness already has in their conscious or subconscious mind. And so the example would be everything you've mentioned with these entities wearing the same silver suits or the same silver outfits. It's because that appeared, uh,
in the 1950s, 60s, 70s. It became a trope of the alien visitors. That's what they wore. That was the getup. They're all in these matching silver suits. Pulling it from 1960s sci-fi television shows. And so, yeah, because this is sort of embedded in everyone's psyche in a similar way,
When the activity appears, it pulls upon that knowledge and that's how it displays to people. So that's the co-creation theory. I don't necessarily buy that. I don't buy it at all. But that's one of the ideas that he discusses. I mean, I think that's a possibility. But when you have like...
different, you know, people from different cultures, from different times describing the same thing, that suggests to me that it's not necessarily draw because you would think that there would be more of a cohesive collective knowledge at a certain time as opposed to it being across such a wide timeframe and a wide bunch of cultures. I mean,
Like, why would a Japanese guy? I mean, I guess they would have maybe had those sorts of shows. There's a lot of weird sci-fi. There is a lot of weird sci-fi. In the decades that preceded these encounters. Maybe, maybe there's something in it. Then, of course, you've got the case of the Schwab family. The Schwab family was living in an English city of Bath. Apparently, this occurred one weekend night in mid-March of 1978. They're attending a family get-together in the country of Wiltshire while driving past the legendary Stonehenge at around 11pm. So already, you know that something's going to happen. They were shocked to their
core to see a startling sight of a 12-foot tall thing like a giant man standing in the middle of the road. Not surprisingly, Mr. Schwab bought the car to a rapid screeching halt, and he, his wife, and son watched amazed as a bright light from above suddenly enveloped the mighty being, which lit up everything that they could see around it. They said this creature was twice as tall as they thought, but it was wearing a silver suit.
Even more startling was that this huge creature began to slowly rise into the beam of light, which was coming from the bottom of a big square-shaped object, so possibly a UFO, hovering overhead that was humming so loud that it made them all feel sick, so much like the headaches reported by Evan in the report from Japan.
Within seconds, this giant and the beam of light were gone and the mysterious craft duly soared into the heavens, leaving the Schwab family wondering what on earth had they just experienced. So again, like a completely... That's my face when I hear those stories. You need to stay away from the AI, okay? She's the goat. Just stay away from the AI.
Yes. And they're all real. That's not AI. That's absolutely real. I don't even use AI. I don't even know how to use it. She's stunning. I'll give her that. She's also a really lovely person. So then, of course, to finish this up,
I wanted to bring you to this obscure, but surely the most outrageous story that I've ever heard, but it might give us some insight into what's happening with the cattle mutilation phenomenon. I'll link to it in the show notes at mysteriousuniverse.org, so you can go check it out for yourself, but I'll give you the gist of it here. This was written up by Brent Swanson, but of course the story has been around for a while. It relates to a case from the summer of 1948, where a young boy from the Strava Pole area of Russia was on the outskirts of a rural village,
watching their cows and having lunch, right? So already it's got this cattle mutilation kind of feel to it. He said that apparently at one point he decided to take a nap. When he took a nap, he woke up to find that there was some craft. There was this piercing whistle and a silver colored craft or object that appeared to be like an upside down plate had landed not too far away with three prongs on the underside, like some kind of landing gear. Apparently creatures appeared from the vehicle. They were dressed in tight fitting clothes.
silver suits, right? So fitting in with the stories I've been telling you. Apparently, he was totally paralyzed and unable to move, powerless to resist as they grabbed hold of him and took him aboard the craft. Now, the story goes that he was taken aboard the vessel. When he got inside this craft or vessel, ship, whatever you want to call it, he said he could see that there was a corridor. This corridor had cages that were made out of material that seemed to be like metallic rods. He said they were holding a bear
a woman, three men, and a single man of Slavic descent. Now, the entities put him in one of these cages. Did they make him choose? No, no, no, no. He claims that apparently one of the men was then taken out of the cage and taken to an area in the room that they could all see. They then watched as this man was paralyzed, but was then essentially torn apart and dismembered
in front of all of them with blood spraying across the room, body parts being placed in a metallic box, like a horrible, truly horrible human mutilation that was witnessed by this young boy. This boy was absolutely terrified with what was going on. Now, the man in the cage next to him tried to get him to calm down because if you recall, there was three other men that were still there, but he was completely terrified by what was going on. Now, this is why this case is just so true. Apart from that, that already has like
horror movie kind of elements to it. But apparently he said that somehow the man next to him knew where the release was to the door. He couldn't reach it. So he took off all of his clothes and then stood upon his clothes. I'm like, how much height could that give you? But anyway, stood upon those clothes to be able to reach out through the bars and press a button above the boy's
The boy then emerged from the cage and then went running through the vessel or running through the craft. He grabbed hold of some type of rod type apparatus. He wasn't sure what it was, but believed that he'd stumbled upon the engine room where he smashed up a crystalline like box that was in the middle of the room. He said it was violent and smoking and sparking
are causing the beings to rush into the room, being irritated by them or him damaging the craft. He's just trashing their craft. Right, he's trashing their craft. They apparently dragged both the young boy and the man back to their cages. And then the aliens started telepathically communicating with Alexander, the boy. Now, this is where it comes in. It's important to the theme of what we've been describing. Right.
Apparently, the aliens were at a lost to understand why the boy was so distressed and so upset. When he explained what had just happened, the beings replied that they didn't realize that human beings were sentient.
They had no understanding. You can understand why they'd make that mistake. Yeah. Totally reasonable. Well, basically, get this right. They explained to this young boy that they were concerned about mankind's use of atomic energy. Oh, that old trope. And they were concerned about what was going on. So they were collecting samples, biological samples from all across Earth to determine the level of radioactive influence upon the world.
They had no understanding whatsoever that humans were sentient or that animals were sentient either. And that's why they'd been taking creatures. So humans, bears, it didn't matter to them. We developed nuclear technology, but that didn't know that we were sentient. Yeah, I know. I know. It feels like to me that if this is a true story, it's just an excuse to be scumbags. I'm so glad that you finished your segment on the most real story of them all. It's really good. It actually reminds me of one that was in the news last week.
Did you see this one? This is so odd. This is why I hate the Daily Mug. It's in their science section.
Chilling declassified CIA file reveals aliens committed revenge massacre. I actually thought this was the story that you were starting to tell. No, you don't hate the mainstream media enough. This is trash. So some other- But dude, it's from a CIA document. So the CIA document was released like 20 years ago. We've covered it on the show. Some dickhead at the Daily Mail listened to some shitty podcast about UFOs. Ours. Probably. And no, it wasn't ours. It was some other show. And they're like, oh my God.
Aliens were, they turned a whole heap of Russian soldiers to stone. Can I tell the story?
One CIA official referred to the shocking battle as a horrific picture of revenge on the part of extraterrestrial creatures. So what happened? The eyewitnesses said five aliens climbed out of a crash craft, combined themselves into one creature, and exploded in a burst of intense energy and turned 23 soldiers into solid rock. Totally unbelievable. A boy smashing up the engine of a UFO. That's believable. Yeah, but if you go to the...
the source of this on the document, the CIA file, the source is some Ukrainian tabloid where their other leading story that they ran every second week was Bat Boy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I mean, this is the thing you've got to take so many of these stories with, you know, a huge amount of critical thought, but look, I think that it's just fascinating. Maybe that gives us some insight though, into what happened to young Evan in that case with the farm in North Dakota is that
they weren't interested in the human beings that were interested in the cattle for whatever purpose. Again, we don't know, but it seems to fit. Like it seems to have these similarities that, you know, might give us a clue as to what's going on, but look, I'll link to those stories. And of course, Linda and her great repertoire of information at earth files.com. Make sure you go and check it out at mysterious universe. That's what I'm saying. I'll make sure I'll link to all those assets for you.
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And you'll be surprised. Many, many authors say yes. They do have some kind of control of the story. They influence the author's mind. Some authors have even claimed that they've been harassed and possessed by
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