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Welcome to Mysterious Universe, Season 33, Episode 15. Coming up on the show, we've got the secret influence of the Sorcerer People, the continuing Owens effect, and the premonition man dreams of World War III. I'm your host, Benjamin Grundy. Joining me is Aaron Wright. Oh, I have premonitions of a coming catastrophe that's going to wipe out the world. Me too. Oh, nice. Regular, every night, dreams. No, I mean from a story that I'm covering, not from a dream that I have. Oh, here he is.
World's going to end in it. Yes. World's going to end in it. It's all done. This is Chris Robinson. He's the premonition man. He's been working for...
MI6, special branch in the UK. Wait, wait. Allegedly, right? The Pentagon. Allegedly. No, this is all legit. This guy has been assisting intelligence officers in the United States and the UK for decades. Jeez, it's taking its toll on him. And it all started back in 1989. He was asleep one night and he heard that he just had a new kid and he thought he heard crying. Something woke him up.
And he hears this voice and it's not his newborn baby. It's his grandma. And his grandma's like, Chris, wake up. Is she dead? Wake up. There's someone trying to steal your Porsche 911.
Because he had this like old 911 he got from the scrapyard and he had done it up. It was his pride and joy. And Nan's like, wake up, someone's trying to get your Porsche. He's like, oh, Nan, aren't you dead? She's like, yes, but don't worry about that now. We need to save your Porsche 911. Why would the grandmother show up to warn him about his Porsche being stolen? Well, he's so tired. He's just like, oh, Nan.
man, oh, it's fine. It's like parked. It's parked at the caravan park. It's not even here. Just let me go back to sleep. He doesn't even think about it. He goes to sleep. Next morning, he wakes up. He goes to work as normal because he was staying at a friend's house. So he wasn't even, his car wasn't even with him. And so he goes to work and then he goes back home to the caravan park where he lives. He's in a caravan park with a Porsche 911. And as he's walking back to his caravan, one of his neighbors is like, oh, Chris, is your car okay?
And he had walked past it and he's like, yeah, it seems fine. Why? And the neighbor said, well, the neighbor said something strange happened last night. My husband and I were woken up by this tremendous white light in the bedroom. It was so bright. And my husband was like trying to shield his eyes and he felt like it was coming from outside. It sounded like a UFO abduction or something. The husband goes to the window to see what the light is. But when he looks out the window, the light's gone and
But he looks out and he can see his neighbor's Porsche and a bunch of thugs trying to steal it. And so he calls the police. Is it actual people trying to steal it? Or what's with the light then? Well, all the light did was wake him up so that he could go and intercept this car theft. So he calls the police and he yells at them and they run away and the car's fine. And so when the neighbor says this to Chris, he remembers the dream. And so he's convinced.
that his nan saved his Porsche 911. And that's a wrap for this show. Thank you. That's good. I'm done now. What a story. People have been accusing me of Aaron's wonder is gone. There you have it. That one story. Be back. Thanks very much. He's back, ladies and gentlemen. No, I thought you meant the story was good.
It's a great story. Well, it's a story. He's Nan, saved his Porsche 911. But that was the first- There's a lot to unpack there. That was the first of these dream experiences that eventually led to these kind of prophetic scenarios that were appearing in his mind, which ultimately got the attention of the police in the UK and MI6 and ultimately the Pentagon. He became a psychic detective, I assume, or like an asset for a policing agency? Assisted on many cases and-
I got wind of this book. It's not brand new. This is from 2023. It's by Grant Solomon and Jane Solomon, but it's called... With Chris Robinson. Yeah, Chris Robinson assisted in the writing of the book. This is The Premonition Man, UFOs, Aliens, and Spirits in the Afterlife Help a Psychic to Dream the Future. And I'm like, why is there UFOs mentioned? What do aliens have to do with this? Well, it wasn't until years later that he revealed...
that many of the assistance he was getting in dreams, he believed, came from extraterrestrial sources. This is good. This is a really good setup and rather serendipitous for what I'm going to be talking about on this episode. Because if you're familiar with any type of high strangeness, psychic phenomenon, UFOs, that kind of stuff, if you've been around for a while, you'll be familiar with the
PK man. This is Ted Owens. I mean, he was researched by, interacted with and heavily publicized by Jeffrey Mishlove, who funnily enough, I've always thought Jeffrey Mishlove that I've, I've never spoken to him personally, but I've always got the impression that he's like one of the nicest guys in this field. Like he really does come across as like a really nice guy. That's very open-minded and easygoing. Um,
Well, the reason for that may have something to do with the fact that he has firsthand experience with PK phenomena. And he himself has said, and of course, I'll link to a bunch of videos. I'm going to cover some of his videos on today's show. But he himself has said, I'm actually quite nice to people now because I don't know who potentially has PK abilities. I don't want to mess with them. I'm like, oh my God, that
Answers all of it. Who could secretly be the emperor. Pretty much. Ready to fry you with lightning powers. It kind of does have this weird Star Wars dark side of the force kind of feel to it. But I call it the continuing Owens effect because Ted Owens, and I'll go over a little bit of some of the wild and crazy things he was alleged to have done.
But ultimately, he was dealing with something known as the SI, the Space Intelligences. And this is why he was making incredible premonitions. He was affecting the weather. He was causing people to get sick. In fact, he became quite famous.
bitter and angry with the US government towards the end of his life that really allowed him in some way to possibly be okay with using his PK abilities to bring wrath
upon certain places in the United States. Yes, and certain people. So I'll get into that. But the Owens effect is essentially what Ted Owens- Did he write a manifesto? No, but well, I mean, maybe a psychic manifesto because he ultimately, before he was so bitter about this stuff, he really wanted to make psychokinetic phenomena something that was understood, widespread and accepted. And he wanted to call it the Owens effect.
So people knew what this was. But, you know, essentially he died in 1987. And, you know, even though people have spoken about him over the years, whatever's occurred with him obviously has died along with him. And I remember we covered Mishlove's book a while ago. 2008.
I think I covered his book. Are you going back into that today? A little bit, a little bit, not in great detail, just so if you're new to this, I can give you some background. But no, it's more about the continuing experiences that people have had within this field. And I'm also going to actually go into some of Owen's own publications where he describes some rather outlandish things. But like many people that become, I guess they're infamous in these fields, right? They
They're not the saints of the phenomenon, but they're well-known. They are very, very infamous in these circles for both good and bad reasons, hence why I say infamous. But there's more to them. There's always something more to them. There's a little hidden history, these weird connections. And I think this really highlights just how often psychic phenomenon, UFO phenomenon, everything that we talk about in the paranormal, it's somehow orchestrated.
by something in the background. And ultimately, when we go through this today, I want you to sort of just have a ponder. Think about the possibility is that was this man, Ted Owens, really interacting with the space intelligence, a group of aliens, or was it that he's just simply tapped into a very real phenomenon, which is psychokinesis, that manifested as being an alien intelligence, but it was just him tapping into an atrophied human ability that we all have?
Yeah, that's interesting that that's coming up because again, this guy, Chris Robinson, the UK premonition man, as he started to work with the law enforcement agencies, he had the same feeling that there was some...
overarching intelligence, overarching intelligence that was in control of everything that was going on. It wasn't just these random chaotic dreams that happened to be premonitions. There was something else pulling the strings. So just judging from that image there, I'm assuming we're talking about what the 1980s, 1990s where a lot of this stuff was occurring? Yeah, he first started to have dreams in 1989 and then he worked heavily with the, uh,
Well, with special branch in the British police during a lot of the IRA conflicts. Right. Okay. So he was apparently instrumental in letting authorities know ahead of time about potential bombings. Hang on a second.
Not that I condone it by any means at all. It was truly atrocious what happened. But wasn't that part of the IRA's shtick that they would call before to let authorities know where the bomb was going to go off? Oh, yeah. That was a thing, wasn't it? Is that just a myth? I don't know. Did the police make that up to justify using a psychic detective or a psychic analyst that was telling them where it was going to happen? Is it a cover story? That's...
Didn't even think of that. Or is this dude just like, oh yeah, I know exactly where it's going to be, but he was just listening to the phone call. It's probably BS. It's probably not true that they did that. Yeah. They probably did it on a couple occasions, but. Well, then that would suggest then that maybe this guy might've been more accurate, but they created that story to cover up for what was going on. Who knows? But again, he believed that there was some kind of orchestrating intelligence. In the end, he called it the Grandmaster. Hmm.
that would appear in his dreams and specifically tell him what to do. Yeah, look, we'll get into it. But I'm really of the thinking now that a lot of this stuff that we hear of people talking about engaging with any type of intelligence and the manifestations that occur as a result of this. The lady.
It's a result of human beings tapping into a latent ability, which we've, because we've become so materialistic, you know, we've really kind of ignored. And this is something that Jeffrey Mishlove said that I hadn't considered before, but he makes a really great point. He says, look,
In the 1970s, and the 1970s is when he got involved with Ted Owens. The Ted Owens story goes back far further than that, which we'll go to in a moment. But he said, look, in the 1970s, this stuff was really picking up like psychokinetic phenomenon. Any type of telepathy or something that's connected with the non-mind or the non-local mind, I should say. There was two things that were occurring in the 1970s. It was that this psychic phenomena was going to change the world.
was going to absolutely be revolutionary and the world would be different because we would understand it and we could utilize it for good. The other thing was personal computers. The other thing was going to take off. And so what happened? Look what happened. Personal computers took off and this psychic phenomenon, all this stuff kind of just got completely suppressed. Well, that's intriguing. Yeah. Because, well, I,
Are you arguing a conspiracy that it got shunned? Well, I'm arguing because I've heard people claim, and we've spoken about this with the crash of Roswell, that UFOs don't crash. It's as simple as that. These things can traverse space and time. There was no reason why such a highly advanced craft should crash in Roswell, and yet it did. And then all of a sudden...
Tube valves are out, vacuum tubes are out, and next second integrated circuits are in, and the entirety of our world has been transformed by the use of this technology, and many would argue for the worse. Look what's happening to the fabric of our society. I don't want to harp on it, but social media was facilitated simply by computers.
which you can link back to the crash. I mean, even if you leave out the conspiracy thinking, it is a good insight because the way we think has obviously changed with the technology. It's become more materialistic. And yeah, there's a good argument that our inner world has shrunk as our external world has become more mechanized and based on this silicon technology. And we're losing our souls.
We're losing our souls. We're losing our connection to spirit. This is something that shamans have been arguing for a long time. And then the problem is though, it's even the spiritual people, like religious people in some circumstances, not at all, and I'm not bashing religion in any way, but as things have changed, right, we go back to earlier times. It was readily recognized that there was like some type of psychic phenomenon around. It was like a colloquial kind of accepted thing that like today, if you mentioned that,
Really, people, I mean, maybe it's changing a little bit, but people are still like, that's bullshit. That's absolute garbage. That's not happening. And yet people have experience after experience. Back then, it was accepted that, yeah, there's something going on. There's spirits around us. There's entities around us. Be wary of them. Be careful. But now, and we're only just talking about this recently, when the church was asked to intervene in exorcisms, that's garbage. That's garbage. Or you've got the other extreme end of the coin where it's all demonic. Right.
So this latent human ability that we have is assigned by people that are even spiritual that it's a demonic thing. It's like, no, hang on a second. This is the divinity of what it is to be a human being. This is why these intelligences, this is why these entities, they want to get hold of us and control us. So the conspiracy theory is that aliens knew what was happening with humanity. They were jealous of us. They looked upon us with such grandeur.
green envy. And what they did is they deliberately intervened with technology to move us away from spiritualism. And when I say spiritualism, I'm not even talking about divinity in regards to connecting to a religion or anything like that. Just our simple latent abilities that kept us kind of cohesive. And you can see it. There's always been wars and there's always been these things going on, but
Go back to the early 1900s. You had people like Podmore, who was publishing accounts of crisis apparitions, which gave people comfort in times of losing a loved one or something like that, or this extraordinary knowing that people had. Then you had people playing with talking boards in the 1920s. Maybe not such a great example or a good idea, but at the same time, it was like there was this sense of we can utilize this to improve humanity. That all the 1960s onwards-
really went out the window. It really got suppressed. In the 1970s, it kind of started picking up and then you hit the 80s and bam, it's like it's gone. Why? Why did that happen? So you have these figures that pop up through history, like Ted Owens, for example, who you have, he's such an outlier that I really don't know what to make of this guy. But let me, before we go into it, let's just start talking about some of his background and we'll go from there. So Ted Owens, born in 1920,
he, like most of these people we talk about in this field, he had an extraordinary paranormal upbringing. And that's not necessarily because of his family, although I understand that he didn't live with his parents. He was raised by his grandparents and he very quickly started to learn that his grandparents were highly psychic. They had a lot of psychic phenomena around them. So as such, he seemingly was influenced by this, but he had psychic experiences when he was a child as well. And there's a lot of anecdotal reports out there about what apparently he
experience. Some people say he experienced spontaneous levitations that really kind of pushed him to follow this field. However, others have suggested that no, it was actually when he was in the United States Navy in the 1940s during the Second World War that he experienced spontaneous levitations that caused him to head down this path. Regardless, this guy has got a long history of interactions with paranormal phenomena.
I forgot about this book, How to Contact Space People by Ted Owens. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you could argue that someone like Jake Barber, who's summoning in UFOs. Nothing's new. It's very similar to a Ted Owens-like character. Well, this is really what I was actually going to get to with this, is that all this more recent stuff, if you've got like a Ross Coulthard, you know, going and investigating these people and meeting people and they're summoning UFOs and you go back to Stephen Greer and Stephen Greer's running his protocols and summoning these things. Yeah.
Ted Owens was almost like the originator. He was the OG of this stuff. Like a lot of his processes involved. One example is BEM, and it's very similar to what I've heard Stephen Greer does, is that he would head out into a remote location. Now we hear this with the wild goose chase phenomenon, right? Where people claim that they're contacting spirits or alien entities, or even the old lady that went to meet a Bigfoot at 2am in the morning because some entity told her to and found herself in the middle of nowhere. Right.
is that you have to go to an isolated location. They get you to go to an isolated location. Then what Ted would do is you would find like a bunch of sticks and you would set up like a little mini tripod, put a high powered, a high candle wattage
torch on it and point it up into the sky. And then you would sit back and you'd meditate. And when you meditate, these entities, these space intelligences would start communicating with you. And these intelligences through your mind's eye would start projecting images into you. Ted becomes a little bit more exotic in the way that he describes that he communicates with these things. He has this example of where when he's communicating with one of these intelligences,
In his mind's eye, he can see some type of weird egg-shaped apparatus that's connected up in the sky, and there's these two creatures sitting inside. Now, I won't describe what these creatures look like because that's coming up in the audio, but these two creatures kind of act as universal translators that get the thoughts that are coming through from Ted and they appear on this little display before them, and then they translate them into some type of language, like a weird insect-like language that they have, which might give you some insight into what they look like.
And then they're able to convey the information back to him. Is this him here? It's impossible to find a photo of the guy. That's not Ted Owens, I don't believe. No, because Ted Owens died in 1987. So that image looks much later than that. There are images of Ted Owens online. Oh, I think I found him. Yeah, there's a bunch of images of him online. Yeah, there it is. But he's a real character. And in some ways, like I felt when I was researching him today, I felt like, oh,
oh, you know, this guy, he's just a bitter, angry old man who happened to tap into psychokinetic abilities and he created a whole heap of trouble. Like he was very angry at the world. But then I go, the guy was screwed over by, of all people, the AMA, the American Medical Association in the 1950s that made me go, well, perhaps his anger and bitterness was justified because having all these experiences,
and this is often connected with PK phenomena, you know, psychokinetic phenomena, is that he started engaging in hypnotism. Like he was an extraordinary hypnotist. I'm not telling him he couldn't practice or something, whatever he was doing. He was healing people allegedly. You've even got Jeffrey Mishlove who was again looking into him in the 1970s for 11 years. He was a
apparently healing people to the point where people were like talking about it. They were writing letters saying how they've had, you know, this myriad of these illnesses and I've gone through these hypnotic experiences with the Ted Owens program and they're cured. So guess what happens? The APA, not the APA, the AMA wanders in and essentially shuts him down. They do everything they can to shut this guy down. And I'm like, yeah, no wonder the guy was bitter.
He did start off clearly trying to help people and he got shut down by the government. So I can see why he would want to do this. But the guy also, before he even did this, he led this life of where he was like, I think he was like a roadie for a band at one point. And then he was a research assistant. And then he was working in some retail job. It doesn't really matter what he was doing. It was widely varied though. It was extremely varied what he was doing. Now,
On one side of the coin, you could say, well, look, this guy just simply had a life of where he was rudderless and he couldn't work out what he wanted to do. And because of his psychic abilities, perhaps that contributed to him being so rudderless. But it's also suggested that the space intelligences deliberately did this to him to make him a flexible shell.
for what he would need to do later on. That's interesting. Yeah. A bunch of abductees have made those claims over the years that their personal lives have been, I guess, deliberately interfered with by these entities to keep them kind of, I guess, afloat.
Yes. Not anchored down to anything in society. Yeah. Well, I mean, it has these weird elements of near-death experience put into it as well because there are points as to where he's referred to his body, as I pointed out, was like a shell and that you could replace these shells on Earth. And this is why they worked with him because apparently they've been doing this many times. Now, look, having these abilities, I can understand, would give you a kind of...
a savior paradox, perhaps, a savior personality, because we find out through his communications with the space intelligences that he reveals, by the way, this is the in thing. It's not like, I don't think there was any veridical validation of what, which is the same word, but there was no validation, external validation as to the communications that took place. It's not like anyone, as far as I understand, heard him talking to him. It's like it was a third eye kind of thing that was going on.
But the psychokinetic effects were very verified. They were demonstrated over and over again. But going back to earlier where this really did start, it was in the Navy. And apparently when he was in the Navy in the Second World War, he noticed that
If he looked at his superiors, he could see like a beam or a couple of beams, like handlebars shooting out of their skulls of his superiors, right? These lights. And he would look into the lights and apparently these lights would connect up to some weird light that was like up in the sky or above him.
And he would look up to that after looking at these lights coming out and he'd say to the person, oh, focus on whatever you're thinking about. Like focus on what you're thinking about and I'll read your mind. So he looks at this guy and he looks up and he's like, oh, you're looking at a cable car. No, you know, a streetcar, sorry. And the officer goes, yeah, actually I was. I'm from San Francisco and I was thinking about the cable cars that they have there, which are, you know, very famous.
So it was like he was able to seemingly read people's minds. So this is how the theosophists describe thought forms, like Ledbetter would describe that and Annie Besant...
Really? Specifically, that's how the Theosophists would describe thought forms. So if you wanted to see how someone was thinking, you would observe the thought forms that emerged above their head. Oh, I see. Well, this is pretty much what he was doing. So, I mean, for this, this really demonstrated that he did have some type of ability. And it's not psychokinetic at the moment, but he clearly is capable of reading minds to some extent. Yeah.
But what this was being facilitated by, no one really knew. We later on find out some extraordinary things in the sense that apparently he was abducted, that he had his mind operated on by these beings. These beings deliberately had done this. But apparently the last time that these beings, these beings, these space intelligences,
which we don't know at Space Intelligences, but we do find out that they'd been around for a long time with humanity. The last time they actually got through to someone on Earth and were able to communicate to try and exert their influence for the betterment or perhaps detriment of humanity was
was Moses. This is according to Ted. This is according to Ted. So you can see this savior complex that starts coming through, right? The last guy that was capable of doing this was Moses. Now, I don't know if he's saying like the servant on the mound, you know, it's like, did he, the sermon on the mound, I'm sorry. I don't know if he's saying that that was involved, but the fact that Moses was talking to something that was apparently, you know, passing information on, you can go, well, is
is that what Owens was referring to? Is it that that's what was occurring? But these guys, essentially, they're space jerks. They're full-on horrible space jerks. They seem to be actually quite pissed off. Really? Yeah. They're not doing good things for humanity. They are deliberately running experiments on humanity. One of the things is that we find out that there was a drought that was going on. This is important because this demonstrates what
Owens was capable of doing, but there was a drought that was going on. And later on explained, and as I've got some audio coming from Jeffrey Mishlove as well, that this is one of the ways that Owens was capable of demonstrating his ability. So look at the physiognomy though. They look so trustworthy. So,
Let's jump forward a little bit. I know it's a little bit all over the place, but this is kind of what this story is because of just how quite wild his life was. The reason why Ted Owens got involved with Jeffrey Mishlove is because Jeffrey Mishlove was talking to Russell Targ about remote viewing. This is Russell Targ and Hal Putoff. At the time, he goes out to meet these guys for remote viewing purposes. This is Jeffrey Mishlove.
And when he's talking to them, they start talking about, at the time as well, they had this psychic that was highly controversial, extremely controversial and really causing trouble for them. Of course, that was Uri Geller, right? So this being at the time a seemingly at the precipice of a recognized science almost, they couldn't have another controversial figure and not someone as controversial as Ted Owens.
So they start talking to the history, to Jeffrey Mishlove, about what happened with Ted Owens. So Ted Owens would just contact...
anyone he could, you know, leading figures in the industry, you know, politicians, people in the military, people in the CIA. Anyone who would listen. Anyone who would listen. So he does come across as a bit of a kook, right? Anyone who would listen that, and he would sign up the PK man. So it definitely gave this ego to what he was doing, but he would make outrageous claims about there's going to be changes in the weather or light
lightning strikes or poltergeist events or just everything you could possibly imagine, tornadoes, wildfires. And he would claim that he was doing this, right? He was orchestrating it with his connection to the space intelligence that they were allowing him or working through him so that he could prove that he really had these abilities. So when he got in contact with Russell Targ, the renowned remote viewing researcher, he
He wrote to Russell Targ and said, oh, I'm going to make this drought end. And not only is this drought that's been bothering Southern California for such a long time, like it got so bad. You know that term, when it's yellow, let it mellow, when it's brown, flush it down? Yeah. I mean, I know it's crass. That became a government line or something. Yeah, well, it almost did. That's how bad the drought was. That's how much they had trouble with water. In moments, apparently, in days, there was this sudden outburst
of rain and storms and thunder and lightning that's really unprecedented that turn that drought around. And Russell Targ, well, first of all, Owens wrote back to Russell Targ and said, see, see, I did it. And Targ says, oh, what an extraordinary premonition. And Ted Owens was pissed off. It's like, it wasn't a premonition. I did it. Yeah,
I did it. And it was, it was like, I think there was one point where it's like 300,000 acres of Californian forest burnt down because of these lightning strikes. Ted was claiming, I'm doing all of this. I'm doing this. And he was, it's strange because when it was looked into by Jeffrey Mishlove, and you have to recall, even though Jeffrey Mishlove is someone who is a parapsychological researcher, he's actually really quite legit. Like,
Even from these circles and the way that people are viewed by the general populace, even though he's meddling in what would be considered to be woo topics, he's really quite legit and he tries to bring scientific method to the investigations that he conducts. I remember when we covered the book years ago that his demonstrations of being able to influence the weather were…
Incredible. Well, probably the most impressive things about his claims. Yeah. And he was tested, you know, multiple times by serious people and...
he seemed to be able to have some kind of effect. Well, what he would do, he would write to people like Jeffrey and he would say on this date or around this time, this particular event, this particular weather event is going to take place and it's going to cover this particular area. And not always, like it wasn't always precise, right? But I think that has something to do with what we understand about the phenomenon anyway, is the sense that when you try to scientifically measure it or track it,
It's always a bit off. And it does that on purpose because it doesn't want to be proven. I literally feel that the intelligence behind whatever's occurring here, it doesn't want to be proven. And it actually functions better when it's not proven. So that's why when you have people like Jeffrey trying to prove it, they never get it quite right. But he was always close enough.
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And what he would do, he would cut out like newspaper articles and he would send them to Jeffrey and be like, here, I told you this letter that I sent you matches with this particular newspaper article. And it did quite often. I think his percentage, his hit rate was like 88%, which is incredible.
Like 88% being able to predict this? Is it just simply that this guy has just got like a bung knee and then it's like a little bit of pressure of change in the weather causes him to sense something's going to happen? No. It was far beyond that. He didn't need to be near the phenomenon, did he? No. He could do it remotely. That's what he claimed. Yeah, that's exactly right. But it wasn't just the weather stuff. There's little details that come out about what he was capable of doing. I think in some cases, perhaps it could be quite
Like we would look back upon this from a modern point of view and go, this is extremely careless and dangerous. But, and I always wonder like, how do you even get yourself into these sorts of experiences? So he starts talking about how, because the space intelligences, the last time they were able to get through to humanity, it was, oh, by the way, I'll go back to one other thing. That drought, that initial drought that Owens had stopped was apparently caused by the space intelligences. Yeah.
Like they had done it in the first place. It's like, well, this isn't helping humanity. Like they do seem to be space jerks. So he would be more believable and maybe even accepted, you know, SRI for testing or something if he left the space bros out of it. Yeah, the space bros out of it, you know, did it right to senators and congressmen and newspapers and create. And it really was. So Russell Targ and Hal Putoff were like, we can't handle this guy. Here's our files. Jeffrey, you deal with him.
And Jeffrey was a graduate, but he was a graduate research student. Right. And he, from 1976 through to his death, was like, okay, I'm going to deal with this. I'm going to look into it. But so because apparently these space intelligences, the last time that they were able to get through was Moses. It's a long time, right? It's a long time to prepare this body. But they kind of indicate to him, this is why...
You've had all these experiences. We've been preparing you for a long time. We've given you this flexibility so that you could be the shell that could interpret this information. It's kind of got this little bit of what we've been talking about recently about this main character syndrome when it comes to these figures. And perhaps that just does come with the
I guess the ego you develop with these sorts of things. Well, he gave himself a superhero title, the PK man. Absolutely. He did. Yeah. Yeah. He really did. Um, but he says at one point, and I'm just like, mate, what are you doing? He, okay. So there's this story about how the space intelligences needed to protect their precious cargo. Right. So,
So he basically couldn't get killed. He put himself into some really dangerous- I remember some of these stories. He can't get himself killed. So he says this story where apparently he had, and I've got it here, a woman. He said, this blonde woman had hired me to drive her down to Mexico City. She paid me $1,000 because she was running away from her cruel husband. I'm like, okay, cool. That's great. But I'm like, how did
Ted, like, how did you get involved? Like, where did some random blonde woman show up and be like, here's a thousand bucks, honey, if you're driving to Mexico City? I'm like, it happened though, apparently. Okay. So this happened. He like, he drove her down to Mexico City and he said, um, what he hadn't told her was that she had stolen all the money out of their joint bank account. She'd sold their home and business and the divorce papers had just been dumped on the husband to the day that she left. Right.
right? So this was the very day that they left for Mexico City. Now, he hated her, she hated him, and he got down to Mexico City safely, and he was driving back to the States, and he said he stopped at Durango to get his car filled up at the gas station. And he said there was a small boy attendant, and he goes into the station office to pay the boy when two men came to the door, and they just stood outside the door.
watching carefully. And apparently the little boy was petrified. And it was because he knew that these were bad men. He was like, these are bad men. And apparently when Owens came outside, one of the men pulled a knife from his pocket, right? These guys were hired by
by the blonde woman so that she could cover her tracks completely. That's why she hired Ted and she'd kill him off so the husband would have no idea. There'd be nothing leading back to her. But apparently, Ted uses his 1960s comic book style laser eyes to look
them dead in the eyes and do like that kind of thing and completely stare them down to where these men dropped the knife, climbed back into that. That's right. Climb back into their car and then drive away. Like they were going to kill him and he psychically paralyzed them with his eyes and got them to go away. Well, he is the PK man. Now he says later on,
This happened again because he had moved to San Antonio and he said he was wandering about in the streets selling Bibles and he had like a sash with him with a bunch of Bibles, but he was also out with his child, his daughter. And as he's walking along, this man just suddenly comes out of nowhere. He pulls a long knife out and said that he was going to kill him.
Now, I mean, thank God it's a carry state, but he didn't. He just had his Bibles with him. And he says, no, no, no. He said, because I was selling the Bibles, I put my satchel down. I put Lorne behind me. And as the man approached me with a knife in hand, I looked him in the eyes.
Exactly. He said within a few moments, he put his knife away, suddenly then dropped it, got to his knees and began to pat Lorne on the head. She then edged around to see what was going on. He apologized and then ran away. Oh, like your daughter. Very believable story. I'm like, well, first of all, I know that a crime happens, but like you're walking down the street selling Bibles and some dude just shows up out of nowhere with a huge knife to attack you.
Yeah. It just, it stinks from the start, doesn't it? Yeah. It feels like what happens with a lot of these characters is that they might have experiences, but then the experiences aren't enough to sustain them with a career. And because this is what these people make out of this, it's a career, right? And the stories become more wild. The stories become more unbelievable, but you get enough of a bunch of followers behind you that it kind of sustains you. It's never a great career. And part
Pardon me, for some people, it actually overwhelms you, right? Which is, in some way, I think what happened to Ted, because Ted was, and I don't understand this either, he seemingly towards the end of his life was hell-bent on getting government funding
But to fund what, I don't know. I don't know if it was his research, but what research was he conducting? He was communicating with these alleged space intelligences that had it out for humanity. And they also were warning, again, coming nuclear war, that America was going to fall. A lot of people probably these days are probably like, but apparently all white people were going to be eliminated from the US and that the Asians would take over. And it's like,
where is this coming from? So he got one out of 10. Yeah. I mean, he didn't, it's, it's really weird. It's highly political for the time. And obviously, you know, for now as well. Um, but I wonder if things like that, it just simply said, because it does elicit such a, uh, a verbose response from people. Like, is that what he was tapping into? Because it wasn't working anymore. Like he really wasn't the whole UFO thing. Wasn't really continuing along.
And so your segment is entitled The Continuing Effects of Ted Owens. So he passed away. When did he pass away? 1987, he passed away. So you're saying that people have taken up the torch of his style of a PK effect? Yeah, in a way. I mean, let's put all some of the really crazy stuff aside for what he was allegedly doing.
he created this program, right? Not that dissimilar from what I understand Stephen Greer was doing, but it's more about maybe it crosses into the realms of Robert Monroe, the hypnosis tapes, because that's what he was doing. He was dealing with hypnosis, not that Greer was doing hypnosis, but it was essentially to contact these intelligences. And there are people today that are psychical researchers, but other amateurs and people that just have an interest in the topic that have continued to listen to these tapes.
And people describe some really unusual things dealing with these tapes. Can you get the tapes anywhere? No, I couldn't find. I know that they're around. I did find one particular site that did have access to them, but it was a mess by the time I got to it. Because after I put all that, you can see the copious amounts of notes that I have here for all the stuff. He doesn't.
It doesn't Google very well. No, it doesn't. But there are particular researchers in the field, which I'll come up to in a moment. In fact, what's her name? Was it, it's Deborah, Deborah Katz. That's right. She's had some intriguing experiences with this stuff. So it's like,
The Owen's effect, the continuing Owen's effect is continuing because he continues to be a figure in this field, which grabs people's attention. But he seemingly has been getting into people's meditations, right? Has some way, it's not just simply people focusing on this guy and just like,
having a spontaneous thought form that manifests about him. It's like he's somehow accessing people from beyond the grave, which will become apparent towards the, I don't want to go there just yet. People that listen to his tapes? Yeah. People that listen to his tapes, people that do his meditation protocols that are trying to get in contact with other people in the realm of the living. So we should just point out though, the way that all of this started. This is why I'm like, these guys are kind of jerks because when they're getting in contact with, with Owens,
The space intelligences. Owens truly thought at first that these were nature elementals, right? Because he would do things like he would know when lightning was going to fall. Like he was working in some office space. And when he was in the office, he's like, apparently it was this old thing of where the staff would come around. He's like, lightning's going to strike there, there and there. And people are like, oh, come on. And like within moments, it'd be zap, zap, zap.
It was incredible. And it was questioning, well, was he predicting what was going to happen or was he directing what was going to happen? So this was in small circles that it was gaining him attention. Then, of course, it broke out because he was doing such widespread work.
demonstrations of his kinetic abilities, his psychokinetic abilities in weather control. But what he's describing with his weather control is not that dissimilar from what we hear from traditional cultures. You look at the American Indians when they perform rain dances, the Aboriginal Australians perform something similar. It's like, is it that it's just a, well, go back to before,
we all seemingly have the ability to do this, but in our Western culture, it has become atrophied. It's become ignored. It's been dismissed, but he somehow tapped back into that, but it went further into it manifesting as these beings. So he says, look, one of the first experiences he has with these beings is that a triangle and a rectangle just suddenly appeared in his mind. Then the letters A, B, and C, right? I'm like,
Okay. Wow. We'll talk about an intrusive thought. He said, I realized that this has never happened before. And so the UFOs must be contacting me. Okay.
Well, I don't get the link between those two things. I'm in the shower and I suddenly remember that I left the garage door open, but that must be UFOs. No, so this happens to him. He said, I shushed the kids. I grabbed a pencil and paper, channeling, and he said, I rushed downstairs to start writing. And he did. He said, this was February the 6th, 1965.
And he starts getting this communication. It's like these beings say, can't come. We'll go out later. When can we meet? We are friends. Tonight is late for us. Power low. Tonight is late for us. You're aliens. You're freaking aliens. And he's like, well, when can we meet? And he's like, a study is being made of how this can be brought about. Why are your people crazy? Your earth is disorganized. We would like to help organize it.
We did it once before, a long time ago. So this is Moses, right? To be fair, they do look tired.
They're looking like me after a podcast. He does look like. He's just had enough. Just, yeah, just big fucking had it. Like they're really out. He said, this is back the time where people wore robes and had beards onto their hair on their faces. He says, we're trying to make communications or contact with you. We'll arrange in the next few days so that your people can see us. And essentially he goes, yeah, okay. Owens is like, yep, yep.
I really do want to communicate with you, but there's a little bit of a problem with money. Right? So can you get me- He says to these bigs, can you get me $5,000 to buy a new car?
And apparently these space intelligences are like, oh, a magnetic condition makes it very hard for us to get through to you. We know money, but we do not use it. Can you use diamonds? Oh, my God. I actually like this effect. Imagine all the people who have been dealing with these lying spirits who claim they're aliens. Just straight up early in the conversation, you just demand money.
money. He just demanded down payment before any communication continues. Well, you know what? I mean, around this point, this is 65. So yeah, he'd been shut down by the AMA. He was pissed off. I don't blame him. That is like, Hey, I'm communicating with some intelligence. Yeah. Let's get some cash out of the way. He's like, I can drive around to spread your word. And like, again, it's got this cultish feeling, but I can do this, but I need to fix my car. I need $5,000. It's like, it costs you five grand to do a Stephen Greer C-SETI event, but you walk out.
You walk out with 20 grand. Make a profit. It's just you see this cash go next to you. It's
It's like cliffhanger, except, you know, from a psychic, a psychokinetic point of view. So he says that, uh, yeah, look, actually diamonds will do quite nicely. I can, I could deal with diamonds like, oh, okay. We will drop diamonds to you. Now the diamonds never come. Of course, of course the diamonds never come. Um, it says that they need to fly over his house and drop the diamonds. And apparently their response is we will think of it. If we do, we'll include the tool that you need to prove to your people that there must be no people war on earth of atomic weapons, uh,
So it's got this contactee thing again. Yeah. This space communism thing coming through of like, oh no, it's very, very dangerous. And it's like people with war and atomic weapons. And it's like, oh yeah, yeah. So a month later, Owens is in the house with his kids. They're listening to the radio. And apparently these space intelligence try to communicate with him. I don't know if it's through the radio.
But they say to him, we have a plan. Can you please turn that machine off? We can't get through very good. And this reminds me of something that Rosemary Ellen Giley said a long time ago. Rosemary Ellen Giley, the gin researcher, people have described like hearing voices in their homes and sometimes they say it's gin, right? And Rosemary Ellen Giley was like, well, the way that you deal with them is you turn on a television or you turn on a radio or something because it disrupts them from being able to
manifest in our reality. I'm like, it's fascinating. This guy is saying that, you know, like these thoughts are coming through to him, this communication, and they're telling him to turn off the radio because they can't get through. I'm like, hmm. I mean, is this an entity manifesting? And they do, by the way. We find out with these space intelligences that while they do have like a varied way that they can look, they're also shapeshifters, which I'll allow Jeffrey Mishlove in a moment to explain. But yeah, so...
He's like, yeah, okay, I've turned the radio off. They said, very well. Do you have a car machine? He's like, yeah, I do, but it's broken, which is why I need the money. And they're like, we are going to take care of that money. Do not worry about it. You will be richer than anyone in your country than before long. And he's like, uh, okay. And he's like, well, what do I do? Like, come into your backyard. He's like,
okay, will you be alone? He says, yes, I will. He put his family upstairs. So he wanders into his yard and apparently he just starts knocking loudly to communicate with something. He doesn't know what it is, but it's like this weird communication goes on, but no money shows up. There's just nothing else. It's just basically he's told you need to convince your crazy people and your government that we exist and we can control the world. It's like,
Okay. Well, you might hear this and think, okay, so this guy's nutty, but in the same breath, we're saying that he really did have an ability to influence the weather. Now, when you think about this, it sounds on the surface as if it doesn't make sense. But if you, like you mentioned, traditional cultures, they always had weather manipulation and it was always performed by a shaman.
And how does a shaman operate? What does a shaman do? Well, primarily, a shaman communicates with spirits. So along comes the PK man doing essentially the same thing, although it appears he doesn't quite understand it. He doesn't quite understand the mechanism behind the manipulation of the weather. And it probably still is, like every other culture, he's dealing with spirits. Now, along come these same spirits pretending to be aliens or whatever he needs to hear. And because he is so inexperienced...
He has no idea what he's dealing with. He takes them at face value. He really thinks that they're aliens. Well, you know what they do to him, right? He actually asks the question, and rightly so. It's rather bright of him. He's like, well, where do you come from? And they're like, oh, um...
What is this sound? It sounds very contacty. Some are from Jupiter, some other places, and also even inside your earth. Goodbye now. That's like they're spirits. They're freaking low level spirits, but they're conveying these abilities that do seem extraordinary. But what are these spirits capable of doing? They're capable of manipulating the weather. They're capable of creating poltergeist-like effects. They are capable of passing on premonitions of the future or knowings of the future.
But this is what these things are doing. So a few things came up. It wasn't just the weather. There was events like where Lyndon B. Johnson was under the threat. Apparently he was like warned. These space intelligences says you have to contact the government because they're
Lyndon B. Johnson is going to be killed because some guy is like, well, the president, I think, was going to be killed because a guy is loading up a plane with explosives and he's going to smash it into the White House. Well, apparently a year later, there was a headline in the New York Times that a flyer denied bail on threat of crashing into the White House. So it's like, he did see some, but then again, it's like people predict stuff, which is going to happen eventually.
Pardon me, all the time. You know, it's like the Lone Gunman TV show, the spin-off of The X-Files, predicted that a commercial passenger jet was going to smash into the World Trade Center. It's like, is that the powers that be telling us what they're going to do? Or is it premonitions? I mean, if he is dealing with low-level entities, I mean, it...
From what we've been covering for years, it seems as though they do have an ability to perceive events in the near future. Correct. And perhaps their motivation is to simply solidify their power in the mind of the receiver by predicting these events. Yeah, I think that's right. But also not just solidifying the power in the mind of the experiencer, but it's also the people around him they're attempting to exert influence upon. Because then people start going, if you get one right,
You know, that's a coincidence. You get two right. Okay, he's pretty accurate. People start relying on what they say. They're more interested in what these entities have to say. Yeah. It really reinforces what their goal is, which is more and more attention. Absolutely. You're totally right. And look, this is what was happening. Owens was writing to the CIA.
Like he was writing to a guy called George Clark predicting all of these lightning attacks. And he did. He was predicting blackouts. You know those huge blackouts that happened across the US back in the 1960s? Owens predicted these. He's like, there's going to be demonstrations. These entities are going to demonstrate what they're capable of doing. And he did. He predicted it with uncertainty.
uncanny accuracy, which makes you go, well, yeah, he clearly has an ability of some kind, but is it from a spirit or is it from him? But it appears to be for him, these space creatures. So here's some examples, right?
In July of 1965, he wrote to George Clark of the CIA, so this was recorded, of an upcoming wave of electrical destruction. Now, around that time, it does happen that, and he says, look, my little friends, they will appear over one major US city, but they won't
name the city for security reasons. They will also begin an attack campaign on the US with lightning, lightning attacks everywhere, and there'll be an unusual abundance of lightning bolts striking everywhere, everything soon. Well, very soon, three Marines got killed by lightning in Vietnam, two golfers were killed in Georgia, a lightning bolt in Auburn, California hit and detonated a dynamite stockpile, killing three. And at the same time, a Polish airliner was struck by lightning over Belgium and exploded in midair.
He's a not good guy. But is that statistically...
common though? No, that's the thing. I mean, not that anyone has really dug into that, but that no, right. It was right before he predicted and he said that there were going to be lightning attacks everywhere and it was unprecedented lightning attacks. Although you could say one city. These retarded looking aliens, they're evil. That's what you said. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, there was something else that related to, uh, I think it was Nixon. Was it Nixon and the, uh, let me bring it up here because he was contacting, um, where was it?
I mean, this is actually one thing I mentioned first. So there's this article from August 17th, 1965. Uh, there's this great story. Uh, it was published in the Philadelphia daily news where it says blonde gets black eye as a thing attacks car. And the story essentially is this woman's driving along with her mother one evening, uh, some loping eight foot tall, eight and a half foot tall, big foot creature leaps out in front of the car. They slowed down. It reaches within the car, basically grabs hold of this young girl, uh,
throttles her around a little bit, you know, punches her in the face or domestic assault, or that it runs away. Um, and it's like an incredible, like it's an incredible account that happens. Like how often does this, not only does someone see a Bigfoot creature, but it actually, you know, stops your car and punches you in the face. And Owens is like, yeah, I predicted this. And by the way, um, her maiden name was Owens. Her maiden name was Owens. So he's like, this was a sign of what was happening. Did he actually predict it?
So he's got all these weather predictions and then just in the small print. Just some woman being bashed up by a Bigfoot. Oh, by the way, a Bigfoot's going to punch a chick in the face. Yeah, because her maiden name was Owens. He's like, it's proof. Case closed. But the other thing was about Nixon. Where was it? There was basically he had said, so Nixon was being protected by
by obviously the Secret Service. This is before the Secret Service became the way it is now. But he was being protected by the Secret Service. And apparently he was warned by these beings. Like Owen said, look, you've got to warn Nixon because they're going to attack you. They're going to assassinate you.
And they're like, there's no way. Like, he's so well protected. Like, we know the dangers that are coming from Cuba. Well, it came out roughly six months to a year later that apparently there was some type of plot underway for Cubans to get in and kill Nixon. So I'm like, well...
Could you make a prediction? I could turn around now and say, oh, you know, there's a plot to kill Trump or any sitting president at any time. And then if it does happen, you can be like, well, I called it. You know, like, of course it would make sense. But in conjunction with everything else that was going on, you can go, well, maybe he did have some, you know, premonition abilities. And it's like, you know, Saga magazine, for example, it's like Otto Binder, the researcher, gets in contact with him.
And Otto Binder starts asking more of the cryptozoological questions because there is like the Bigfoot encounter. He's like, well, all these creatures that people are seeing, you know, Bigfoots and cryptozoological creatures and, you know, Chupacabra style entities or winged monstrosities. And apparently he's like, Owens goes, oh, I'll just check with the SIs. And he's like, oh yeah, they're pets.
Like they're the pets of the space intelligences. So all these cryptid creatures that are running around, they're all the pets of these things. So this all becomes like this ongoing saga. Like it really becomes this ongoing surreal saga. Yeah, I remember it, but it's a fun topic. It's fun, like really fun. Yeah, yeah. I'm just looking at time because I got a few videos I don't want to play for you to go for a while. But I want to show you just like what happened. So we won't worry about number one, Ben. That's not important. I've already explained this. But what I will point out, let's give you an example of how
So you've got Jeffrey Mishlove and Jeffrey Mishlove was told that I will prove to you that these intelligences are real because they will be UFO sightings over this particular part. So if you play number two for me, please, this is Jeffrey Mishlove recalling where Ted Owens told him how one of these predictions was going to come true. He told me that he wished to
produce an effect for me. I was very happy that he was willing to work with me. I knew that in the historical records, he had shown the ability to produce UFO sightings. I thought that would be neat. So I said, "Do that for me." He said, "Okay." Without giving me any time to prepare, he said, "I'm going to make three UFO sightings happen within a 100-mile radius of San Francisco."
I thought, good, but how do I know UFO sightings aren't happening everywhere all the time anyway? So I contacted a group of fellow graduate students at the University of California, San Diego.
similar metropolitan community. I said, "Would you monitor the San Diego area in the next 90 days? We'll use that as a control to see if any UFO sightings occur." There were two significant sightings, at least two in the Bay Area. Not three, as he had promised, but two. And none in the San Diego area. That was a control. But in retrospect,
So this kind of research does not lend itself well to the experimental method. No, it doesn't. And it's funny because it was like, I'm going to show you three and there were only two and it wasn't in the area that he predicted. So is this a coincidence or is it that it was just the phenomenon kind of playing with him a bit? And Jeffrey Mishlove confronts him on this and he's like, well, he's like, yeah, yeah, there were two and it was pretty extraordinary, but it's not what you said. Where's the third?
Very foolish thing to ask Owens, apparently. After this amazing UFO sighting that occurred as part of the San Francisco demonstration in 1976, where he told me he'll create a UFO. It will be seen by hundreds of witnesses. It will be photographed. A photograph of it will be published on the front page of one of your local newspapers. And that happened.
But he had also told me he would create three UFO sightings. At that point in time, there were two. He was on the phone with me and he was going on about what a great job he had done producing this incredible, the best tested UFO sighting in history at that point, probably, although it never got into the annals of the UFO people.
I said to him, "Well, Ted, you haven't done everything that you said you were going to do." Oh, no. At that point, he got very angry and he slammed the phone down. I was feeling fine at the time, but within half an hour, I began to get a sore throat. You know how you get that feeling like, "Uh-oh, I'm going to get a cold. My throat is so scratchy. I know what's going to happen now."
I was expecting it was going to get bad. And then about an hour later or so, I was feeling pretty sick. He called me up and without explaining anything, he said, Jeffrey, I'm sorry. I promise I will never do that again. And within 15 minutes, everything lifted. I felt fine. That's concerning.
So he has the ability to influence people's health. Makes sense if he can influence the weather. But what can shamans do? Yeah. Using entities. It's like that. It's like they're literally. Dark shamanism. Dark shamanism. What are people most like? The reason why witch doctor from a Western perspective seems to have this negative connotation is because people immediately go to, well, they're going to put a curse on you.
This is what this guy did. So then let's talk about what he saw because, and this is described, I think this is Deborah Katz here. I know it's, this is Deborah Katz that is talking to Jeffrey Mishlove in this one. And I'll link to this full chat in the show notes so you can check it out. It's really well done. But here is what these entities are. And this is like, if he is dealing with an intelligence,
If this is what they are, it's not good. He described them as if you were to see them physically as being like giant grasshoppers. Oh, my gosh. And they make high-fit pitch squeaky sounds. And he called them tweeter and twitter. He also said that they had the ability to appear to you in different forms and that they could appear to you as an energy being.
So you wouldn't have to, you know, if you would be frightened by the idea of a giant grasshopper or praying mantis kind of insectoid creature. That's what he said they were like. And he said they sat in their big giant invisible UFO above the earth and they had a big like TV screen that they looked at and he would project mental images to them and they'd see it on that big screen and then they could see
you know, create whatever effect he asked them to produce. He said that they had been watching him his whole life, that as a child he had shown a lot of psychic potential, including levitations, but that they arranged to abduct him and operate on his brain and give him extraordinary powers so that they could
do some research and see how the human race would respond to a person like him. The old insectoids, the mantoids are back. And we're ultimately just a big experiment to them.
This is what this is. So I'm like, are you dealing with low-level entities or are you dealing with these dark ETs that we've discussed on, you know, many times on the show? So let's go talk about those tapes. These are the programs that were conducted. Now, Deborah apparently is an experienced psychical researcher. She's done many of these hypnosis sessions, these hypnosis tapes, I suppose, it's probably digitized, but these meditations.
And she describes what happens in one of these meditations and how Owen's meditations are very different to other ones she's experienced. I've been listening to those tapes and I find I fall asleep pretty much as soon as he says you're going to go into a deep sleep, I go into a deep sleep. But what I can say is for the first couple ones...
As soon as the tape started, I started to have imagery just bombarded by images, which doesn't tend to happen to that extent when I listen to a lot of audio programs. And the images were very unusual. I'd say they...
would have been disturbing they didn't totally surprise me given that i had read the book but they're just images like angry there was an angry dog that had its back to me and then he turned his head and just kind of looked at me in an arrogant way and then kept going and there was another
Beings that look like strange animals, like half turtles, half eagles. The thing that stood out was that there seemed to be some kind of awareness with them. Clairvoyant images are just usually just like watching TV. They're not turning their heads and looking back at you when you watch TV. Yeah, there's an intelligence to these things. And she's right. In clairvoyance, you're an observer. But no, these things are observing you.
The observer. There's something... And this is in, within the tape. Within the tape, within the meditation of using that tape. So then there's also the physical effects. So there's just this quick part from Jeffrey who's like, well, it wasn't just, you know, myself, it was people around me, research assistants.
that experienced the PK effects. One time, a student working with me to organize all the files and papers, and the student had a filing system, and he took all of this home with him to work on it. And he reported back to me that one night he had left everything and he went to bed, and when he got up in the morning, back in his living room where all of this material had been kept, it was scattered all over like a poltergeist had come and just
thrown everything around. Yeah, like he's, there's obviously some type of effect here, PK effect occurring. But as his life continued and he was working with Owens, he said he's an extraordinarily complex man, which no doubt he is. But I still am in two minds about who this guy is. Like, was he someone who was really in contact with something? If
If he was, why are they so... They seem to be indifferent to human suffering. They seem to be claiming that they're trying to help, but they weren't. They weren't trying to help at all. They were making threats. They were making dreadful, dreadful threats. And this next part will make me go, I don't know if Ted Owens is such a great guy in what he described because he gave a warning, but the warning was almost more of a threat. He threatened to use his sources to
to bring something down. But I was beginning to lose interest in him by 1985. He was threatening to attack the United States government. He wanted the government to finance him. And he wanted nothing more than to do good work with government support. But the government, of course, ignored him. And on Christmas Eve, 1985,
I received a phone call from him that I will never forget. He said to me in his booming voice, Jeffrey, this is the most important phone call you will ever receive. It's up to you now.
You have to tell the U.S. government not to launch the next space shuttle, because if they do, my UFOs are going to knock it out of the sky. Wow. And, of course, I ignored him, because, amongst other things, I had no relationship with the U.S. government. They weren't about to listen to me. And if I were to tell them not to launch the next space shuttle...
Yeah, in fact, there were engineers already telling them not to launch the next space shuttle and they ignored it. But that's what happened. About a month later, the Challenger exploded. There you go. So did Owens. This is the question. If he was in contact with some type of entity, did the entity kind of make him believe that that's what they were going to do? Or was it that the entity knew, could see just a little bit into the future?
And was like, well, it was going to happen anyway, but trying to get exert influence. And why are they going to the government? Like this whole, like the government's not going to help you. And I get it that you're pissed off about what they did 50 years or, you know, 40 years ago, 30 years ago. But it's like, this is not the answer. Well, play it out. And this would obviously never happen as Jeffrey explained, but play it out in a scenario where NASA, for example, is like, oh,
Okay, weird psychic man. Yeah, we're not going to launch the shuttle. Then what happens? Yeah. In saying that though, I would think that, and Jeffrey says that, look, I didn't have any contact with the government, but you have been involved with Hal Putoff and Russell Targ and other leading figures in this industry. And we know that in the 60s, 70s, and even into the 80s a little bit, there were these government programs looking into this phenomena. Perhaps on some level, maybe he could have contacted someone, but
Yeah, but what I'm saying is what's the motivation of these entities and Ted Owens? So they don't launch the shuttle, then what? Okay. Yeah, exactly. Now what? Yeah, well, exactly. Well, maybe it was even done. It was done on purpose so that afterwards you go, see, I warned you. So next time, if you don't comply with my demands-
or then something worse will happen. Not that that was said, that means just simply extrapolating what could have occurred there. But the other thing is what we know about these entities, these low-level entities, they're just messing with us. Yeah, it seems as though just winding up Owens and people connected with him is really the goal. Yep. So here is the crux of today's episode. And this truly highlights the continuing Owens effect. So
We skip forward and we go to December the 12th in 2022. December the 12th, 2022, um,
Mishlove gets an email from a Javier Flores who lives in Germany. He says, look, I don't know how to explain this to you, Jeffrey, but this angry humanoid form showed up in my meditation. I've been meditating. I don't know if he was doing the Owens meditation, but he shows up in his meditation and he's like, I was looking and he eventually took full form and it was a pissed off Ted Owens.
And Ted Owens, this is a random guy in Germany, right? Has he been listening to the Ted Owens tapes? I don't know. That's not described. But he says this Ted Owens shows up and he says to him, look, I need you to get in contact with Jeffrey Mishlove, right? And I'm thinking, well, why didn't he somehow contact Jeffrey? But maybe because Jeffrey wasn't doing the meditations. And he says this, right?
Right. So he says, look, you need to get in contact with Jeffrey. Just tell him that I want to talk to him. He doesn't have to, he doesn't have to do this, but I need to talk to him. Can he start doing the meditations? If he does the meditations, I'll get in contact with him. And so this Javier guy, Javier Flores is like, uh, okay. So Javier goes along and he emails Jeffrey Mishlove. Jeffrey Mishlove gets the email on the, uh, this is the 12th was when he gets the email and he, you know, describe or reads what I just described to you.
And so he waits, he waits a couple of weeks until it gets to the 28th. Now he says that, um, the whole Ukraine thing was taking off the conflict and had been on his mind and he had heard that, um,
The Russians apparently had said that they were going to attack Ukrainian power plants so that the Ukrainians would freeze throughout winter, like it was some type of tactic they were going to use. And Jeffrey, he said, you know, this was very distressing to him and he felt really bad for the Ukrainian people. You know, it's like it's a horrible situation which is going on. He thought, maybe there's something I can do. So he already does. He meditates. He uses the Owens meditation method. And this is what takes place. That was pretty naive of me.
But I did it. So I'm going to share with you now what happened since then. Within a few days, on January 1st, three days later, thousands of records were shattered all across Europe. Unbelievable. The people, the meteorologists who track the weather, who track extreme weather, said, this is crazy. Nothing like this has ever happened.
And I thought to myself, well, that's kind of typical. It's not so different from the thousands of lightning strikes that I mentioned earlier that burned down 300,000 acres in California during one of his demonstrations. This is characteristic of Ted Owens.
But at the same time, to be clear, in my meditation, in my monologue on New Thinking Allowed, I didn't talk about temperature records across Europe. I talked about Ukraine.
So that's what he had done. When he had done the meditation, he tried to contact Ted because he knew that Ted could alter the weather. So in the meditation, he wished that Ukraine would have an unseasonably warm winter so that people wouldn't freeze as a result of the attacks on the power stations. Because originally I was thinking, okay, so that weather event was clearly going to happen and these entities had some kind of resentment. Yeah.
But no, you're saying he had the intention for that to happen. And this is a thing going back to what we said early on, how it was like, it's never quite right. It was two UFOs instead of three. All he had thought about was Ukraine. It was all across Europe. It was unseasonable weather. So the PK man is still the PK man after death. Yeah. Who people can contact through these tapes. So that's why I'm not going to link to these tapes because I'm like,
It's just like clearly something is being done for good and he's angry at the government and I get that and perhaps righteously so, or then blowing up the challenger. That's not the right thing to do. So I'm conflicted about this guy. Wait, didn't a bunch of people die from those heat waves? Yeah, they did. Yeah. Yeah, they did across Europe. So that's not good either. So we wanted to keep the Ukrainians warm and you ended up killing a bunch of grandmas in England. Pretty much.
Yeah, pretty much. So it's like, this is the thing. And Jeffrey Mishlove himself actually says this in that interview, which I'll link to. He says, I do not, what was the quote exactly? I don't know if I put it here. He said, I do not advocate in people cultivating psychic phenomena.
I'm like, yeah, because he gets it. Because this is what happens, right? So some guy emails him and is like, hey, it's this weird coincidence. He gets pulled back in because it is strange. And then he tries to do something good and it results in something bad. When was that heat wave again? 2022. Yeah, 2022. 61,672 heat-related deaths occurred across Europe.
Oh my God. See, they're not good. At least the Ukrainians were toasty. See, these entities, they're not good at all. They're interfering in human affairs. Once again, we come back to this realization that it's not safe
It's not good to be dealing with these things that are altering human affairs and our reality. I've got to say, it is strange that he said that they were mantoids. Yeah. They were mantis-like entities, insectoids. This comes up in abductions. It comes up in DMT encounters. Yep. All sorts of weird experiences. These insectoids seem to be behind many of them. Yep.
And they hate us. They had these insectoids have a hatred for us. And occasionally I think what this is, I think they're telling the truth to some level. It's like, it's rare to be able to get through to someone so influential, but we do it every now and again. We got into Moses all those years ago, and now we've gotten into Ted Owens. It went Moses, then Ted Owens. Then 2000 years, and then Ted Owens. No one in between. No one in between. But I have no doubt they've tried. They've
And this guy, he's well known and he clearly did demonstrate powers and abilities. So there is something going on, but it leaves you with that ultimate question, is this good versus bad? And I still feel like this is something which is not good for humanity as a species. Very interesting how our segments dovetail because coming up in PLOS, we're going to be talking about Chris Robinson, the UK dream psychic.
who for years was passing his dreams on to Special Branch and MI6 and British Police. But in the end, he admitted that some of his dreams were coming from extraterrestrials. Yeah.
Isn't extraterrestrials or is it he's masquerading as extraterrestrial? Beings in other dimensions. And up until 2022 and 2023, he was claiming that his dreams, he was actually seeing American cities covered in nuclear fallout. Again with the nuclear stuff. And clouds of destruction. Yep.
So we're going to be going into his claims after the break. Plus extension, we're going to be looking at the premonition man from Grant Solomon and Jane Solomon, looking into his story and getting into it.
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