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Will humans ever speak wolf? A scientist unravels the complexities of animal chatter

2024/12/9
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Benjamin: 本期节目探讨了动物交流的奥秘,特别是人类对与动物交流的渴望以及动物交流的进化历程。访谈中,Arik Kershenbaum 博士详细阐述了其著作《为什么动物会交谈》的核心观点,即动物交流的驱动力源于社会互动,并通过对狼、海豚、蹄兔和长臂猿等多种动物的交流方式进行分析,解释了不同物种交流方式的多样性及其背后的进化机制。 Kershenbaum 博士指出,虽然所有动物都会以某种方式进行交流,但人类语言与动物交流存在本质区别。他强调,理解动物交流的关键在于理解动物自身的生存需求和适应性优势,而非将人类的认知模式强加于动物。他认为,动物交流的“意义”与人类语言中的“意义”不同,动物发声更多地表达情绪和概念,而非具体的含义。 在谈到研究方法时,Kershenbaum 博士介绍了声谱图在动物交流研究中的应用,以及通过野外观察和实验数据来理解动物交流的策略。他还探讨了人工智能在动物交流研究中的应用前景,指出人工智能可以帮助识别和分类动物发声,从而更好地理解其含义,但不能直接翻译动物语言。 Arik Kershenbaum: 我的研究关注动物交流的‘为什么’,而非‘如何’。动物交流的根本驱动力在于社会互动,这决定了交流的复杂程度。不同物种的交流方式多样,例如狼的嚎叫是远距离信号,信息量有限,但频率变化能有效传递信息;海豚的哨声与狼嚎类似,也基于音调变化;蹄兔的叫声是雄性炫耀的信号,其复杂性而非具体含义是关键;长臂猿的叫声既展示复杂性,也包含信息,是人类语言进化的过渡阶段。 人类语言与动物交流有本质区别,动物交流中‘意义’的理解方式与人类不同。许多动物拥有语言的构成要素,但没有像人类一样组合成真正的语言。研究动物交流需要摆脱人类中心主义的视角,理解动物自身的生存需求和适应性优势。 声谱图能帮助人们理解动物发声。人工智能可以帮助理解动物交流,但不能直接翻译。研究动物交流有助于理解动物进化以及保护濒危物种。

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Why did Arik Kershenbaum choose the title 'Why Animals Talk' for his book?

He chose the title to emphasize the 'why' behind animal communication, focusing on the evolutionary drivers rather than just the 'how'. He believes understanding the reasons for communication is more insightful than merely describing how it works.

What is the central theme of Arik Kershenbaum's book 'Why Animals Talk'?

The central theme is that animal communication is driven by social interactions. The complexity of communication in animals is linked to their social structures and the need to coordinate behavior within their groups.

Why are humans so fascinated with the idea of talking to animals?

Humans have a dual desire to set themselves apart from animals while also wanting to connect with them. This fascination stems from a historical acceptance of animal communication, which was later dismissed during the Enlightenment as humans sought to establish their uniqueness.

How does sound serve as an effective means of communication for animals?

Sound is effective because it travels well in the atmosphere, can go around obstacles, and is preserved over long distances. This makes it a reliable way for animals to communicate across vast landscapes, such as wolf howls or dolphin whistles.

What challenges did Arik Kershenbaum face in describing animal sounds in his book?

Describing animal sounds is challenging because it requires the reader to imagine the sound without hearing it. Kershenbaum addressed this by including anecdotes from his fieldwork and using spectrographic representations, which visually depict sound patterns similar to sheet music.

How do wolf howls differ from human speech in terms of communication?

Wolf howls focus on pitch modulation, with energy concentrated in a single frequency that rises and falls. In contrast, human speech relies more on amplitude modulation, where the varying amplitudes of different frequencies carry most of the information.

What similarities exist between wolf howls and dolphin whistles?

Both wolf howls and dolphin whistles are long-range signals that use pitch modulation to convey information. When slowed down, a dolphin whistle sounds remarkably similar to a wolf howl, highlighting their shared evolutionary basis for long-distance communication.

Why can't dolphins be said to have a language like humans?

Dolphins use whistles that are information-poor channels, meaning they can't convey a lot of information. While they do have other forms of communication, their primary whistle system lacks the complexity and structure needed for a true language like human speech.

How do hyraxes use vocal communication, and what does it reveal about animal syntax?

Hyraxes use vocalizations to display their fitness to potential mates and rivals. Their songs are not random but follow a learned syntax, suggesting that many animals understand the importance of sequence in communication, a trait often associated with human language.

What role does social complexity play in the evolution of animal communication?

Social complexity directly influences the amount of information in animal communication. More complex social structures, like those in dolphins, require more sophisticated communication to manage relationships and interactions within the group.

How does Arik Kershenbaum view the potential of AI in understanding animal communication?

AI can be useful in analyzing animal sounds and identifying patterns, but it cannot translate animal communication into human language. Instead, it can help classify different types of calls and understand their functions, such as territorial or aggressive signals.

What does Arik Kershenbaum believe is the key to understanding animals better?

To understand animals better, we must stop projecting human traits onto them and instead focus on their communication for their own adaptive purposes. This approach allows for a more accurate and satisfying understanding of how animals interact and function.

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This chapter explores the reasons behind animal communication, focusing on the evolutionary pressures that have shaped its diversity. It challenges the traditional focus on "how" animals communicate and emphasizes the importance of understanding the "why." The discussion incorporates the use of spectrographic representations to visualize and understand animal sounds.
  • Evolutionary biologists are interested in the 'why' of animal communication, not just the 'how'.
  • The drivers for animal communication are primarily social interactions.
  • Spectrographic representations are used to visualize sounds and help in understanding animal communication.

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Zoologist Arik Kershenbaum has spent his career studying animals and how they communicate in the wild. In his book Why Animals Talk: The New Science of Animal Communication, Arik takes a deep dive into the various forms of communication, from wolf howls to gibbon songs, to look at how different species get their points across, why they do it the way they do, and what insights they provide into our own use of language.

Why Animals Talk: The New Science of Animal Communication Arik Kershenbaum Penguin (2024)

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Slowed down dolphin whistle via Arik Kershenbaum

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