Cash & Coif: Styling Your Hair and your Wealth with Chris Appleton
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I was told often, you will never do the couple, you'll never work with photographers, you will never work with that celebrities. But kind of was make or break in. In a guess, I made IT.

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What's up, rich friends? A welcome back to an episode of network and chill with me, your rich bf F D.

To and today we are going to talk about a topic that is very important special girls like me, A K A people with perfect hair um in fact, I have been asked multiple times of my extensions and I would like to set the record state I do not this is my hair um but all jokes aside, the hair care industry was valued at ninety one point two billion dollars in twenty twenty three and is expected to grow to one hundred and five billion by twenty twenty eight. So it's clear that people are taking this industry very seriously. Here is twenty two person of the global beauty market and second only to skin care.

So people are spending bigots and today we need to chat with expert, who is not only an iconic celebrity hair stylist, but also the global creative director. Or for color, well, since inception, a global ambassador, shark beauty, and a global color ambassador for shortcut. I got at all.

He has work with some of the biggest names in the industry, including kim cardan's, an on a gra, kd Perry, genre Lopez and so many more. Everyone, please welcome the king of hair. Chris .

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thank you. Of course. Thank you so much for being here. And I want to start this podcast off. Very fun.

You've had some amazing haircuts yourself, and but I want to hear about one that was not so amazing. Have you ever gotten a haircut that you were like? I look like I went to a butcher shop. And how much do you pay for that haircut?

yeah. I mean how a few over the time i've had a few like disasters. I think everyone come late to A O yeah course.

But i've also had .

some very interesting hacker. There's one particular hacker that lives on the internet enhance me to this day. And a few a few people that like know me that like, you know, if you do that and when I get that pitch out, I don't know what I talking, but I was like a style to, I think I was going from my very creative stage. I start, i'm very creative, and I had this kind of light long .

bang yeah you know.

I got that every kid had like unwinged but you know, like the mom did IT basically I can I decided to that um was very interested the wise I have obviously been blonde blonde's serious business yeah but you know, like IT really is a commitment. And the thing is what a lot of people don't understand about being blondes.

Like if you do push IT too far, not say, like your hair will be a bit dry, you get a few spins, like, come, come off, you literally snap off the root. Now, if you have, like long hair, whatever, you know, that's pretty stressful, even my behaving short. There's been a few times where people I can do that, I can get IT White for you. And I like, yeah, but I also want to down my head because what most people don't know is after White, like basically when you hear kind of lifts to like yellow and pol yellow after pale yellow hair, so basically that's when the such a fine line, which we are getting like a nice White planum and having no hair IT really is that like, you know, it's scary stuff yeah see, you have had a few times people I can do IT and and i'm like, my god had to show that off so you have had a few interesting is.

what's the most you've ever spent on a hair treatment or haircut?

And probably when I had my head, and I think he was like, maybe just a thousand dollars, I think he was that was with the tip as well. And I would say because they bleached there and IT was longer. I was so long like, so I know like I know went into IT, so I know what to bit Normally I don't usually pay this in the end.

Yeah so well, I have a question where some of those bad haircuts or bad hair treatments, the reason you want IT to become a stylist or how did you decide you want IT to get into the hair business?

No, is an interesting story. I think at school I want to five kids, so come from middle england. Yeah, one of five kids.

And growing up we were pretty, which are the five medal. I I don't know what means that reaction. I'm okay with IT because it's all i've ever know.

Yeah okay. But I was kind of the underdog like the boys did very maskin jab. Yeah, play professional football, being a mechanic. The girls did girls jobs. I was kind of like, I wasn't that greater school and little didn't know at the time, but I was this IT wasn't through laziness, but I just didn't understand that the teacher would write stuff down on the board and expect me to memorize. And I this didn't mean anything. And I remember the first time I kind of felt good is I did my mom here because I quite artistic, goes to paint and stuff, did my on time as I stand up looking to SHE did.

And I, oh wow, no, he did to make people feel something like I loved that ability to make people react ah know I like wow I love that I also loved acting and doing drama and I had an interesting experience that um and three six day you plan to focusing on hair and as I alright this is what i'm good i'll be the best to IT and I remember like nine is old thinking that I got a job in the salem on a thirteen and I just was hungry to be good at something I don't want to be told I was in good enough that the teacher used to have like a pen and about red lines over my work at my moment of the coming and you know, you can't do that. IT makes him feel like stupid and different. Obviously understand this year, but at the time IT wasn't recognize and IT was like, learn this way all you do, and you stupid or lazy, you know. So I think care really was a way of me proving that I was good at something. And I think the determination, a baby being told that I wasn't good, like, made me want to be the best of them.

I love that underdog story and also how wonderful that your mom was so encouraging and in a time we're like a lot of parents would have just been like, weren't you trying hard enough? Yeah so that's awesome.

But let's talk about those early years in the salon where you're really trying to like start your career and build IT out. What was that like? Did you feel like you were making enough money in that salon to make ends me? Were you really excited? Was this did you feel like the most money you had ever made? Or what was that like?

I think a lot of people have this this kind of expectation of, like Chris apple and I see on social media, good looking guy, like, looks like a great places working with these like famous women. And you know, people forget the social media is a very small part of really what you are in the bigger picture. And I think a lot of people don't really know my story.

They don't know the build. Um and I think you know when I started in a salon a day thirteen, yeah we got paid um one pound and now which is one dollar no and he wasn't simple skin bleach and two bro you know sweeping cleaning and A A lot of cleaning you like a cleaner a at the time. But I do remember the first day I stood in the saloon or remember women coming in would be tied, shoulder would be flat.

And I knew when they woke out. I I had this feeling I can remember seeing, got they work differently. If you have, you know, now you feel like everyone is looking at you. And yeah, good. Yeah, feel like everyone looking.

I think I know today, and I remember in that I remember exactly where, and I remember things I do this want to do, want to be the, and I just got to work and, you know, ten pound a day. So what was I was like fifty pounds a week, but IT really wasn't about the money for me. I was just determined to be good.

And then IT was when I kind of a got on the floor and there was different ways of any more money. Yeah, you know, then I have got into the car on now is like what what else says there? So then I thought you working outside the sale on looking editorial stuff like magazines and just look at all the different options you could do. And kind of my journey.

I have a very interesting question because I recently learn this. Can you explain how hair styles in salons get pay? Because I didn't know that hair styles have to rent their chair.

Yeah what is different for me because I was in england. I think that's changed over time. But I mean, at the time I was employed, but I think now people rent a chair and then they pay like you know a percentage of every time they do to like the owner or whatever.

City industries changed a lot over the years, especially since koba. IT changed a lot. A lot of people were from home. Now there are salons. I think IT changed the whole industry, a law. I think also a lot of women, a lot of men as well, also realized how important the hasty le, because, you know, everyone was like, I don't know, my natural had looked here, you know, like totally, you know, I think, you know for me, like, good hi can make a big difference, even if you don't have a full face to make up or no outfit. I think when you have good, you can feel fidget.

So talk to me a little bit. You start working in editorial, how are you growing your client list? I'm certain .

you're not as banging down people's doors or are you on I will travel on the train um was like a two hour journey and even if you stop to try and hide from the conductor, is that enough enough money for the train ticket? We IT was expensive and yeah goin down london because I understood there was this sort of world outside of orion fashion. And it's a different type of hair.

When you go to a sell on, you have a hacker or a hairstyle and you expect it's the last like a six week period when you didn't like fashion hair is a fashion showed last six minutes. It's a very different type of hair. Like editorial hair might be just like a now you see to cover a vog and just be like a piece of hair that looks really mony.

But in real life, if you push are off because it's ticking and you really funny, obvious what we've came a lot. And I say when I were on a photo show, I just get this little piece and pull. No, it's supposed to be there like but you is that all actually if you are you pushing out the way but you know it's a whole different philosophy.

Learn in a different type of hair. And I remember people were very um I don't want to push back. People would like now you know how you never I was told often you never do the work. You never work with some photographers.

You will never you know if that celebrities because you know you do fashion and sorry, you do so on how and that's really staying your lane um but with every know I just was like I i'll show you I just I don't know I don't know if I was something in me as a kid being told that I wasn't I knew I wasn't lazy like I was just as sexy on but I knew I wasn't lazy. I knew I had a brain. I know I was creative and clever in different ways. IT was always this way as I I preview wrong um I remember eventually I ve joined an agency in london and I was so excited as I okay guys going to be the beginning and really have big ambitions of the dreams and then they kind of laugh at me they will like, yeah okay of Stanley and um how did I .

make you feel?

Oh, I mean, I was so you feel so alone. You feel so alone and so, like, does anyone really believe in me? Like I know. Is this ever gonna be if you ever stop fighting? No, you.

Like, do you ever have to stop pushing? Is anyone never going to give you a break? And I remember every step of the way I just shoes is an opportunity.

I remember doing A T V show um in hair was a competition here and I won that and I do this every opportunity is a leap in board into the next thing so I just try to maxim opportunity so even if I was like assist in a fashion week, i'd be you know traveling to paris on a plane on on the euston. I didn't have anywhere to stay. I'd have to stay way outside of paris in some I was like a brother I remember I was I was like the sink in the room.

I was like a stains in the bed, but is all I afford. And IT was all just to assist that the show. And i'd have to be there for in the morning and no sleep, and I just be passing pince. It's not as so you get to go be glamorous. And do you know here you'd literally be passed in pince to someone and you'd be privilege to do that.

But I would just make sure as like, as as I am going to a watch what that head stylist does and why they are, what they they are, who they are like, what do they do? How do they hand handle themselves? How do they talk to people? what? What are they doing? I was just like a so and then, you know, each opportunity, I just tried to maxie.

So then I started to look, okay, an editor, oral, I saw this like celebrity world, celebrities in the U. K. Is sort of a smaller cut fish at the time.

yeah. And I remember was working for makeup parties and SHE. What would read SHE was like, rich SHE linked together.

And what rita, and then I canna stay river for the next two years that was sort of hand in hand at the time of social media and and instagram. So I just thought, just post in now, I was always been something different kind of before. Like kid Jenny, know when you said all the different weeks, IT was kind of just a bit before that.

So we were like doing short hair and long hair and should have a pink one to be back on the next. People kind of I ve been fascinated by how SHE, you know, he was over a style and changing IT all. yeah. And I gotto call one day from jailor's team, and he asked me, me to do a half of .

the that make you .

feel what I just really thin. And this is to anyone out there that feel that not cognize like the power of social media. Jl didn't follow me at the time.

I didn't follow me for years after. But people, look, you know, how often do you fall under someone's? So we're all a bit of a screw about the follow bottom. They like to follow unnecessarily but you know we look and I always say, you know your social media portfolios of you know you in your life in the story you wants to tell um and I remember thinking like, well, initially I was inking all this is you know this must be, how would I know I like she's in hollywood hollywood, the land of dreams I mean, last that which is not that you know, it's a very different experience. So I kind of all what that nice and I kind of just left IT as maybe to schedule and then they reached that again.

And I remember thinking to myself like, wow, you know, I kind of came this as I turned, I just turned thirteen, and I like, I know everything like I I did. And I had A, I got a degree in color, like a color degree. I was an extension specialist.

You learn editorial, how I learned a fashion week. I I did assume courses. I kind like anything.

I felt like I didn't know. I was just wanted to. I want you to know.

So as like maybe it's kind of now or never, maybe I do IT, maybe I go to america. I had like an apartment in the U. K.

Yeah, and in london. And I was like a punish department. I just done that.

And I just thought, you know what? Fucking are your land? swear? Yeah, first I just thought, fucking i'm just gonna go like if I don't do IT now I probably never will.

Like I could always find an excuse, always find like, got this apartment, this this was and I like, maybe I just go and I just see to see if I could thing that could happen to cause I everything I like like the whole life london I to arrived very, you know, hopefully I really relate to, you know, that song by my story. What kind did I just kind came with a dream and I opened, like, hope the phone would dream. Yeah and he didn't .

that I thought we didn't for a while .

and know is a good to four month and spend my money and I am reading my my friend are being tears and I feel like, god like I don't know what i'm going to do like and everything in america, I felt so big, like, yeah, supermarkets were big. The roads were everything so much bigger in america, the food so that I was just bigger. And I like, I am, I never going to do this.

And I eventually got a call from Christine. I I was team to do for the voice and make a party, recommended me. They new know what would retain this. They new as in town. And I turned up to the voice feeling terrified .

just because .

it's Christinia. He, I remembers ring in my friend before I went, so was really nervous and she's actually the mother of my kids that keeps you my friend. She's mother of my children yeah and we've always had a close relationship.

We're separated the time. But you know should stone um my person and you know I do this if you don't make this work, you can have to come home, continue to like this. I also a dad to have two kids I was supporting.

You know, it's like a little responsibility and I turned up with the voice and I like OK. I had like four hayles in my head that I could do and I want to do this or I could do that like i'm prepared. So the three hours by glam usually ah it's the long process. So the maker parties went into the trailer and outside OK maybe two minute so an hour went by and i'm like, call, like I will be ready to go in soon and were .

supposed we've .

been in there. Well, no, like I just was waiting on outside of so you want asked to, you know, you know, you want in so I never, I will buy on my well, maybe maybe he just that has probably done and is nice and or maybe he says a stylist and i'm just a back cp, I don't know so then twenty minutes before the live show, ask me to go to the trailer and i'm like, okay, well, like obviously when I go in, it's going to be right, it's going to be nice.

Isn't IT because is only twenty minutes for a light show? Now he has just going to be pretty probably to brush IT like what else going to do in twenty minutes like god wouldn't do this, you know, like this is my one chance in the u yeah, so I going and unfortunate wasn't done. You know, takes a IT.

I like, pray, I was, anyway, whatever I will. I I remember like thinking, you know, I think should be really good with this hollywood way. A quick way of doing.

I think I could put a week on, make IT already pretty. The color was like slide cool on as like I think it's A A really good share, a bit of root at the time. I like IT would be a good way of coming that up. So SHE was like, I don't like weeks and I was like, you know, why would you like anything and I was like, I remember like, if you have that feeling where you feel like everything is closing around you yeah you just feel so small yeah and then IT was the strange est thing. IT was like, i'm not a spiritual person, but I was like, the clouds parted, remembers just like hearing this boys in my head.

I was like, if you don't make this work, like you going after the home like I remember thinking, puck, there is like, I didn't come this far to come this far like, know what i'm doing like, I know what i'm doing now I you never tried and as I was the wise, you can say no and like, he was like, and the style list kind of, look, time and he was like, like IT and SHE, right? And by that time was probably like twelve minutes last before I burying all this hair and extensions. Under this way, you may have loads of any extensions is unlike putting in under this way.

Again, SHE runs off and goes on the show. And like, oh OK like, am, the rest of amErica is going to have an opinion on this. And you know, again, I was at the time where people coming, a lot of people watch these shows.

And if I don't look right there are on twitter, on instagram and the time. So I remember me, he was like a little break. And me now, and remember, sort of change up away.

And he was, he was talking someone, and he looked over at, mean, he just went, everyone likes a week. And then you came back and Carried on talk, like talking the conversation over. And in that moment I was like, I did IT, no, okay, I did. That was all I needed. And IT was that one moment. And it's probably something is gone with me around my whole career where I could have very easily had a very different story and not be sitting here now yeah, in that moment was raining, make break of like, am I gonna just believe everything about been told, which is not good enough.

You don't really know and you know, we all have that kind of impost enjoy me i'm like, oh, he knows i'm just Chris from less like he knows that i'm that middle time he knows that I dislike know all these things rap for head and IT really takes a lot to sometimes just sort of ignored the noise and do anyway because a lot of time we create the noise and I had ourself it's it's our own share. You the stuff that held onto his kids and how hard, you know, kids at school or or or teachers that didn't and you know, like you hold on to this kind IT takes years to shed IT. But in that moment you unfortunately, I have, you know someone great in my life.

You always believed in me and still was fundamental. Know me being, I mean, I wouldn't be here now. IT wasn't perhaps because she's believed in me even when I didn't yeah but IT really was that moment of like IT kind of a make break in in the guessed.

I made IT know IT in that moment. And I think I just then continued the journey, and I kind of was like a bit of a snowball effect. IT did happen quite fast. I kind of work with Christina.

I want to keep per, and then I work to with a doll and jello and then came and kind of rode on quite fast because when is a new time? Time tried them. And I was just a time where I don't want to a new house. I and then you, I I venture, got to jail on the right process and then someone reminded he was just a one of, you know and I guess if you go in and you good and everyone's like, oh, it's because is retired, is got an act because is tall no, in the day that is so far but if you not got at what you like yeah exactly most people can get in the .

door once but they .

don't you know what you never get the second day toy so I think I I absolutely um I put the working like I A IT we live in a world now where people love to criticize or find fault in something but you know I definitely my money where my mouth because I i've do the work now I I I don't believe on the best. I just believe I will always do my absolute best. And if I don't know, find out away how you know, I love that. Yeah.

I love to talk a little bit about that first experience. Obviously, you are off in times referred to as kim cardan hans hair guy. You are her one.

And now people love that. What was the first experience like? And were you nervous? Like how has that become a part of your journey?

Make IT sound like i'm losing opportunity? How is your first experience? All right. Well, obviously, you know kim is amazing and you know the collection have a an amazing following and it's I feel very flat at the people know say your kiss her guy and I have so much respect, I feel so grateful to have seen what he's created you know I when I met him, he was doing the show and then become a lawyer you know create skins um and then you know now and he is doing the act and you know, SHE is always inspired me to, you know, when people would love to say, oh, you know what was the best thing they used to say, like what what do you even do you know but she's A A wonderful person to see blossom of all.

So I seen a very different side, you know, very lot of personal side. No, I think she's a fantastic person. She's been incredibly supportive and she's really, you know being an amazing in my career.

So I mean, remember the first time I met him was no, I again kind of incredible nervous. But I will say there's something about when I go to work and yeah I do my job and there provider service yeah so there's always something that just kind of kicks in. It's like if I go on T, V, if i'm going live on the today show the do more 下来 IT doesn't matter the chaos that's going on before， how nervous you feel.

There's something that always am not sure what that is, but there's something that just kind of a kicks in when the camera goes or when I step into my job. But I just kind of a get into something like I don't know role Lucy, i'm not perform yeah a job and I I wanna always make that person look at their best. But I think what's really important to me is that they feel their best and is a journey.

And I kind of just get into wear. You know it's I guess it's like a doctor. If you went to a doctor, you know they can yeah will do what you do a consultation and then you go through the process I don't know you. I'm not messing around. I ah i'm going to do a job yeah I never really forgot that know so although you get close and stuff you know Better.

you're always bring .

yeah you know total make that person and look in the best and he doesn't ter if can or geneva pears or ever IT is on all my mom or or or you know, when I used to do cancer patients in the salon because these women that I knew really well, like strong, confident woman s hair, and there would be a shadow with themselves.

So, and I remember, you know, you cannot have to put that back together and put this person back together, like, I would let you have women say to me, like, I don't know who I am. Like, I i've lost my identity because they lost their hair and their eyebrows, and they looked in the area and they didn't recognize this thing. Looking back at them, you know, that's how I started to work with weeks.

Now I work with weeks. Then, you know, we create, that is part of me, the world we live in as a celebrity. People know that they like to change the hair up and.

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But back then, I was just about necessity, necessity iron, giving back someone give the identity back, you know, that's why I the way, and that's how I got to weeks making them, because at the time they were very like, there OK. We have something in the U. K.

Of the N A switch, like basic. The week we will come from the hospital. Wasn't like fine, beautiful hair, like thick, almost like a, yeah yes, you know, you'd want to make IT look and feel be the best.

And you know, color techniques to make IT look more natural or there's also a little trick you can do with weeks to make them look, you know, realistic. And these women would walk out like feeling that they could fight cancer. But that's a super about to to make someone feel that that's not just like, oh, I like my hair today that actually can mental a mental state of mind, I think can do wonders, you know. And if you can make you literally thought you can fight this horrible disease instead, I was, I mean, that was all the payment I have been needed.

Yeah, I love that. While speaking of payment, I do want to talk a little bit about being a stylist, being in a line of work that is very focused on gigs. So you mentioned when you move to the U.

S, the phone and ring for four months. So how did you manage your money knowing that what you do is so project base, so there might be a month where your your books all thirty thirty one days you are racing IT in. But then it's possible that the following me, you don't get a single booking. How do you manage your money when that income is so inconsistent?

I ve always been my business manager says me now this is, I never known what you want to say, I like I say and the poor boy inside me, like I just went to european, that you are these fly in yeah fortunate. Now, like obvious, I do a lot of trouble. So a lot of IT will be read and stuff.

And a lot of the time IT will be business because IT kind of needs to because that will be your flight of sleep and then you want and go to work, so you get a be used to that. So I like going to europe. And I, I, I buy economy now can afford to IT anywhere and economies like taking pictures and then asking IT, it's bad.

I don't mind that stuff so flattering when people wanna, you know, they feel like they know you and you kind of forget a bit about that, but you forget the power, social media, and then you forget whatever. But IT was like a killer. I think he took me like two days to get there because the the delay flights and I and I remember took my business manager.

He was like, you can afford to know you can go at least premium economy. You put the pool boy inside. He still is always there yeah and I think i've always to i'm always so grateful for any opportunity in any experience.

But i've always been, I think, very good with my money in terms of trying to say, because I always have respons ibi T E S. Like, I have two kids, you know, I always had to provide for them, you know, have a mortals like nineteen. I had kids.

One is nineteen as a whole kind of world I created and a whole world of responsibility I created along the way. And so I think I just always, I think I don't know. I always, I had to make IT work.

I didn't matter if I would. I remember like, when I was what I was I doing. I I remember like I cut tom Jones, his hair. I was cutting like, like, just like friends hair. I would do influences have just to make money and just anything I could do to make i'm not .

precious you know .

i'm not like oh I only lot of people. I'd much rather a go to you know the beach and have fun with my friends or family and have like laughter, joy and sitting us some boozy restaurant. Ah I it's been I have been fortunate to see some amazing things, but I think for me what's really important is like, you know people and you life life of short life really sure.

And like i'm about making memories. So I think really times of money in the financial side of IT IT is important and IT always has been. Because as a kid I was paul, I yeah bought.

I remember being I was like, god, this is like a very recession. But like I was like seven, six or seven in a member. England was always very grown in urania remember, was sitting in my bedroom.

I shed a bedroom with, like, my two brothers, and I remember looking now. And I remember him that when i'm old, I don't want this life. Like, I wanted a life of color.

Like, I wanted, I wanted to be able to like, you know, they have food and we have food in the cup ard. So IT was, we were poor, you know, in, I didn't I I just had aspirations to see a life of colour. And I think I always just, you know, I want to say color.

IT was like, I say, very grain, very dull. And I like I wanna see the there's more out there. I know there's more out there than this small town, and I think sometimes i'm kind of dancing around, but there's one of the things that I wanted to do for my kids.

And I think one of the best gifts you can give them is to get them outside of the hometown they were brought and just to see what's out because sometimes we become so conditioned about around the people around us and what we're told to do, or I think there's nothing Better than getting out and experience in a Better of life. Even if you go back, I think you can get more experience than you know, as a dad. That's always something I wanted to do for my so bringing in a matter to america.

Um two years ago I was kind of a big moment and scary for them. I moved to america. I was scary them, but they were like seventeen and and I know and the incredibly proud of where there right now and dare jan again as a dad that's like so rewarding for me. But I think just always having that responsibility lit is always made me work hard IT doesn't matter what I have to do, if I, you know well, a coffee shop at work at a cop shop, I do whatever to make ends me. I'm not afraid of working hard yeah not .

afraid of is instilling financial literacy so that your kids can be Better off than you .

really important to you yeah I think they've they've really grounded. My kids have seen the sacrifice as i've made life moving to america. Yeah they sacrifice time with the dad um but they saw my passion and my drive and you know if you know I had was working twenty hour shifts IT was what I did whatever I needed to do to make ends me it's funny you know when when you have some success so you work with some people think people think like a you know they ve got a good, but i'm forty one now like I want my whole life to get to a point where I can you know have a lifestyle.

But you know i've worked for I think i've with my kids, always try to inspire them to follow their dreams and just work hard. And you know, you have to go above and beyond, I think, to be good at something. I don't. I think even if you have a natural ability, I think IT really takes hard work and dedication to crack. Because even like even if you think about the best thing is, sometimes the best thing is, like in the world, that doesn't mean they become pop start.

You know, you would have been like, same people in the street is seeing, I have an amazing boys, I wonder but it's not always about a lot of IT is about drive and ambition and and commitment and assistant so IT takes people love to say, no, like I got, I got knows all the time mean, I remember being told like you will never do the cover of vote because I remember doing this sort of, I wrote this little book out of the dreams I was wanted to do. And one of them was to do the cover of american vogue. And people would laugh, you know, people actually goes bother to laugh you, someone, as you wouldn't never.

It's not awfully just like people people sometimes like that. When I remember being around show, you know, I did the cover of american voi think three years ago, did the cover of american vote twice? Yeah, in the same year we've to the most famous women in the world, you don't know, fortunate, had the opportunity, do something different cover about each and every time.

I'm like, remember when I told that I would never get the to do this and then in between, people don't see, but I don't see the ground in and the blood. Where are you put into making that happen? I just see like, oh, he's lucky, got to do the work then see the work. And I guess he was always on IT was always on the mood board. IT was always on my and I think is really important to, you know five years a goal or ten years ago because before you know, if you d get there ah and I ve ve never wanted to stand still, even where I in my career now is above so much like I am, I want of all, I want to grow, I went new opportunities and I think it's really important to stay excited you know about what you do. I never wanna wake up and go to work and feel like, uh, god, this and I want am doing is this not who I am?

I'd love to know the next, I guess, iteration of Chris. Obviously, you started as a styles. Now you are global ambassador.

Some of the biggest companies, the hair care, space shorts, cuff color, ww shark like how did that happen? Did they approach you? Did you approach them?

You know, it's interesting, interesting sort of stories like when I started working with color. Ww, no one knew who they were. No one.

My styles. This morning, you some, and we talked about you.

Yes, and they makes me so much. I mean, people stop in the streets. I love your brother. Like at the airport at the case empale IT was over way that was all full of your products.

Brings me so much joy to see people living know a girl at a two who owns call a while at seen many books SHE looked at long, many, many different hair stylist. So work, wave and SHE just had a good eye. SHE create john freda.

So john freda was huge. SHE sold IT back in the day and in its peak, and was incredibly successful from. And then SHE decided to make color well, and he was looking for the ambassador.

People used to send the people all the time, and i'm kind of repeating her stories so much. China, not trying to blame my own home, but he said he saw mine and he loved what I was doing. You know, remember, I was the who is in my honest hair, or, you know, the different pony, just different things that were .

like in stuff.

people that he was like, this guys got to do something, really got something. So I remember we met, and I remember one of the first conversations I said to us said, you remind me of the woman from that of ways product, because he was very kind of stand off. You're gona test me over.

But you know, SHE deeps down has a hot gold. And you know, our relationship is fantastic. And over the years it's been like kind of like A A crazy family of different ideas.

But IT, I think the heart of IT is is the families about people that wanna create, you know, problem, solution, solve the problem. But you know, we want to solve problems for women are. So you know, the products that we've creative, again had blood to and point into IT.

And when I first started, no one used that. But over the time now, you know, I like is in every stylist care I see in styles and you know in in, in people's bathrooms. So amazing to a been a part of creating that in different moments.

You know, like the dream code was at the time where as creating kims, you long, straight, really glossy, shiny hair. And you know what kind of dream coat is this magical product that kind of changes the texture of how people, how do you get IT so shiny? What I was using these moments kind of, I don't know, IT just a kind of works.

But IT takes what it's been like seven years. IT doesn't happen overnight. And I remember at the time I was asked to going contract to we have a competitor like a big well known competitor who was very established, and I would have definitely had a lot of Gloria attached to IT.

But i've always like going for the underdog I I really love because I love being a part of if I had gone with that other contract. I can't say here IT was, but like if I had had gone with them, I have just been a named, but I just been a face of the brand ai, I wouldn't have been part of the formulas. I won't been part because i'd be like, you know, we need this, or this is what I need.

This is what I use, this is what I want. You know, I know we will always be together, creating these products and bringing the magic and creating the story, which, you know, work. And people sort of felt like they are part, they felt they are part of the family.

And I think that was really important to me, like the fancies, how I work, I thinks how i've been good at what I do is because I, you know, it's not about just creating good hair. It's about making people genuinely feel good about themselves. When people genuinely IT doesn't matter if I cut someone's high of show and everyone loves in the room, but that person doesn't, then I gondy was gone to red copy and stand tall, stand confidently.

And I know that. So I think like really channel engine to making people feel their best self never goes our fashion. I think that works with products and creating .

a brand as well. And now that you have your styling business, your ambassador ship, I mean, you're celebrity in your own right. Like what part of your business are you most excited about? And is IT your biggest money maker?

yeah. I mean, I think i've kind of wolves in to become an entrepreneur. And in my world and business I think i'm really excited about I educating people about the journey and about and I want to give back and help people that in similar situations to me um give them my knowledge yeah you know different forms of education but also outside of that i've really involved and enjoyed involved in into doing T V.

So i'm part of the very most team and SHE again. I went on once and they liked me and IT worked. And now i'm a part of .

the family. You always close on .

the second, fourth day. Yes, I really is about connecting. You know, think about the three body motion. Like when I go on, I think IT works because people connect.

People like to see what i'm doing if making someone over or from talking about a fashion segment or if i'm talking about mental health, whatever is I talk about IT from experience and passionately nothing people relate to that. So i've really enjoy going into the TV world and unscripted um and sort of shopping. I guess a bit more about me in my journey, which people have seemed to be more interested in.

Now how did you get the way you got to tell me more? How do I think people want to know more about IT? And I guess, I guess that happens over the time people you you know slowly you forget these numbers that follow you on into to go and have real people yeah even now when people like stop me in the street at whatever you cry aften ah yeah like you think of that guy has, you know yeah you forget that because in a way you just see these numbers.

You get this is real people that are investing in your life and they are along the journey with you. Um so yeah it's kind of it's grown from just become an hairstyle to becoming an entrepreneur. And i'm giving back I think that my main goal is to get back in different forms of inspiration, you know taking people along the way in jAnnie with me. You know.

I love that. And I have a selfish question now. So there is a zillion things for hair now there, the special shampoo o the condition, the clarifying thing, the toner, the, you know, the spray, the leave in the dressing.

But there's a zillion things. Yes, you are about to be stuck on a deserted island. Yeah, you get three things what .

you bringing the most important, I would probably say the color, color security. But just because there are so many products out there, there's like thick in shampoo, this anti fish h shampoo, smooth. Are they actually different things? Yeah, they are all different, but they all tend to contain a lot of extra ingredient.

So for me, the most important part is healthy hair, healthy scout. Now, a lot of people experience hair loss. They say to me a lot the hair densities, and as good as they used to be.

And I think we put so much crap on the hand now, so many different chemicals and stuff. You know, we are savy using products. For me, the shampoo e is the most important part, because IT should literally, you know, clean the hand, clean the skin and do just that.

A lot of other shampoo that promise to volume, eyes or anti phrase, they leave ingredients behind on the hair and scalp. And that can be peat hair growth, like, you know, you can basically the hair hole that IT goes through IT gets can jailed with all this extra stuff. exactly.

So what I love about the color security number, as he cleaned the hair, cleaning the scout, so keeping IT as healthy as possible, but also enable in the hair to grow for as well as possible. So the color security shampoo is really important for me. Dream code is a game changer because IT has, I is kind of my magic project product I was part of creating.

And you know, I just love IT on every texture of hair. Doesn't matter what texture of pair you get and now going to get great result from IT. I also has a waterproof technology and it's interesting to see so many of people, different brands keep trying to copy here.

But IT is never the real thing, you know, because it's not waterproof for IT, doesn't smoove the hair whatever. So that's definitely a favourite. And then I would probably take my i'm not going like I was going to say, shock my head driver elect electricity, no electricity.

Then I would probably take IT just have to be hair is that only hair? Someone doesn't island. This is just a, okay, you can bring .

something else. I assumed you would want to bring three hair things. But yeah, you can .

tell .

about .

maybe, probably like my missing peer and brushes. It's always been my go to missing in person. Brushes is like an old fashion brush, but great to brush hair, great to snatch hair back into opponent.

is just kind of like the brush. Are you batting on this island?

So is someone trust me as he has nice when people know you do have someone always, someone always got a question. Yes, he was. Favorite thing is, like, you know, what can I help you like if you could do anything to my hair and I like.

right? So if you could .

do anything to my hair, I can. I just have a quick question about this thing later when I I always think of any doctors yeah .

I love that. Yeah um okay. So we do have a quick lighting round here, trains rich .

ritch. Rich.

oh, we love why I just love like .

the omen and itself. And I think if it's done in like maybe not heavy blows, I can like balloons, but I like that kind of sunk st effect you can get. And it's great for people that don't want maintenance ah you know they want to keep the incorporation k or maybe he just doesn't suit them all over you. I mean, like they want some lightness, but all over the kind of wash a mouth. I think it's a nice way of kind of if someone .

that doesn't to commit too much goes OK.

wolf cuts and rich, I think, and layers are really trained OK. I had a move. O like, bobs.

I like bob. You do you?

I love a bob and the winter is iconic.

Okay, I know, maybe I would be.

I feel like .

I have coconut hair. Bob a, yes.

so and like, bob can be so like cheek.

okay, super light, bleach, blunt.

vio, rich.

I mean.

look at no, but look at the icon. Dona maria mono, just iconic marine mom. I imagine if he had Brown here, I don't know.

It's like, SHE probably won't be mary mom. I just something very iconic. And it's probably one of the most outlandish colors you can do. It's pushes the hair to the maximum what I can do, but went done well. IT can just be so iconic.

you know, OK pick a booo color strength.

What is it's .

like when you ve got, like the two bang things that are a different .

kind than the rest your hair. Money piece, money piece is like the two pieces at the front. But they attended, got long highlight in the bigger chunk s at the front that in the lock.

if you're like a burnet and .

in these two are just plant, very, maybe ditch.

okay ridging that yes, the feather or ear, decent confected like clip .

in things that yeah we like, yeah yeah that are Christmas .

okay and then the fall shave on women like i'm talking like two thousand and four berny um .

bridge I mean, I think it's about expressing yourself if I think IT IT to me is about hair identity yeah however people relate to that, I think is the best way to describe you often and how you want to present so you O K.

I love that and we only have one final question. But if you work to closure ize and envision the dream life for Chris appleton ton in five years, what do you have then that you don't have now?

I would just. Want to maintain that you know my family is healthy and that I have the opportunity to enjoy my time. Them and the you know they happy.

I think the money or success like IT comes and goes. I think i'm really aware of that. I always have been, but I think when you come from having not a law, you know anything else is a bonus. But the really important part I think for me is like having my family I love and are a .

big soft on the inside.

Yeah I mean, I don't I i'm just I just I know that life really sure yes. And you know we take IT grounded. My mom got cancer, you know like I say one of five kids. My mom's like hot the of the family and you know as a kid, you know like one day parents are, I think.

And when SHE got kind to remember being in miami and he was so well, remember looking at my phone and my that can you call me and I just knew what he was the very thing I remember being a to me like you had a soft st cancer if you do a soft st cancer, if basically has you. So I kind of knew a bit about IT. And I remember yours like, oh my god, it's that time and I wouldn't not make sense.

I'm like, I be older now, older, like, you think that life is gonna on forever? Yeah, IT isn't. And you can't take the money with you.

You can't know. Yeah, people will remember for a bit. And then what have you? 不对， to me, the most important thing is just like happiness. And the people around me being, you know, close and that belly laughter, like there's nothing beats s that no money in the world?

Yeah, I absolutely love that. Please tell everyone where they can find you.

Where can you find me? Well, you, my address?

no. Oh, my.

I really .

your social .

channels, what they think and is out and say, hi.

amazing. Love that.

Thank you so much here. My god, it's been a pleasure. Thank you so much.

Help me. I have a question for you. Yes, all you rich, because rich best friend.

yes, of course.

So good.

I feel like when I was in my early twenty, I thought Richard hmt having the designer bag and the show, he thinks. But now I feel like rich for me means optionality and being able to buy back my time so that I can choose, in the same way you said, to spend time with my now husband to be able to go on a trip and treat my parents. And how amazing .

is that feeling?

It's, oh, I sent them on on all expenses paid trip for their thirty of wedding anniversary.

Best thing is able to. I did that my parents, and in my parents, I even like the I know, tell that they would never, even in order rooms have never been done that, because now they never room tired.

In the robe, in the bed .

is the best.

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