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Toby Manning, "Mixing Pop and Politics: A Marxist History of Popular Music" (Repeater, 2024)

2024/12/13
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LaToya Johnson:本书探讨了20世纪美国和英国流行音乐对社会结构的影响,并以马克思主义视角解读流行音乐史。 Toby Manning:作者结合自身音乐经历、社会行动主义和理论学习,从马克思主义视角审视流行音乐史。摇滚乐等音乐形式的兴起,受到了福特主义模式下社会规范的冲击,同时也反映并反抗了这种模式。流行音乐通常起源于社会边缘群体,带有反抗主流社会规范的内涵。资本主义会利用并同化这种音乐,从而引发音乐与资本之间的矛盾。资本主义对音乐的商业化会扼杀其创造力,但同时也会激发新的音乐形式的产生,体现了人民的创造力和反抗精神。迪斯科音乐的兴起及其后的衰落,以及MTV对黑人音乐的排斥,反映了种族主义和恐同的社会偏见对音乐发展的影响。作者在创作过程中,对20世纪90年代的流行音乐部分感到最为困难,因为这个时期既熟悉又复杂,包含了对政治正确性的反弹和社会问题的反映。艺术家创作时并非总是带有明确的政治意图,但他们的作品会不自觉地反映当时的社会思潮和文化环境;即使是看似非政治性的音乐,也可能包含着对社会现象的隐喻和评论。流行音乐史充满了希望和乐观,因为人民始终在反抗资本主义的控制,并不断创造出新的音乐形式。作者认为20世纪70年代末到80年代是塑造当今世界的重要时期,值得进一步研究其对流行音乐和政治的影响。 LaToya Johnson: 本书探讨了20世纪美国和英国流行音乐对社会结构的影响,并以马克思主义视角解读流行音乐史。

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Why did Toby Manning decide to write a Marxist history of popular music?

Manning was inspired by his lifelong passion for music and his involvement in activism, combined with his teaching of literature and theory. He wanted to apply a Marxist lens to music, exploring its political and social implications.

What is Fordism, and how does it relate to pop music?

Fordism refers to a factory system of mass production and consumption, which also extended to social democracy and welfare capitalism. By the 1950s, it shaped popular music as a mass-produced product that both reflected and sometimes rebelled against this system.

How does Toby Manning view the relationship between music as a commodity and as a medium of rebellion?

Manning argues that music often originates from marginalized communities, carrying implicit or explicit messages against societal norms. Capitalism eventually commodifies this music, leading to a struggle that produces innovative music before it is homogenized. However, new forms of music always emerge from the margins.

What surprised Toby Manning about the intersection of disco and politics?

Manning was surprised by the extent to which disco was a grassroots phenomenon, emerging from queer, black, and Puerto Rican communities. He also connected the disco backlash to MTV's initial refusal to play black artists' videos, seeing it as a racist and homophobic response to societal tensions.

Why did Toby Manning find the 1990s the most challenging period to write about in his book?

Manning struggled with the 1990s because he knew it too well and disliked many aspects of the era, such as the rise of lad culture and borderline racism. It was difficult to balance the chapter's content while reflecting on his personal dislikes.

Do artists intentionally create political music, or does it emerge unconsciously?

Manning believes that while artists often claim they don't intend to make political music, they are unconsciously influenced by their social and political environment. However, some, like Steely Dan, are deliberately satirical and aware of the socio-political undertones in their work.

What message does Toby Manning hope readers take away from 'Mixing Pop and Politics'?

Manning hopes readers take away a sense of optimism and hope, understanding that despite capitalism's efforts to control music, new forms of expression continually emerge from marginalized communities, reasserting their voices.

What is Toby Manning's next project likely to focus on?

Manning is considering a deeper exploration of the 1977-1982 period, which he calls the 'long 80s.' This era shaped contemporary pop music and the political system we live in today, making it a rich area for further analysis.

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From rock & roll to contemporary pop, Mixing Pop and Politics: A Marxist History of Popular Music) (Repeater, 2024) is a timely and original exploration of popular music’s role in shaping our society. Told through a Marxist lens, Toby Manning traces the last seventy years of political and social upheavals through its most iconic US and UK-based music.

Mixing Pop and Politics examines the connections between popular music and political ideology and explores themes like the liberation of rock ’n’ roll, containment of girl groups, defiance of glam, resignation of soft rock, the communal spirit of disco, and the individualism of 1980s pop. Spanning the early 1950s to today, the book reveals how music—from doo-wop to hip-hop, punk to crunk, and grunge to grime—has both reflected and resisted the political forces of its time.

Toby Manning is the author of The Rough Guide to Pink Floyd (2006) and John le Carré and the Cold War (2018).

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