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Copilot, Agent Mode, and the New World of Dev Tools with GitHub’s CEO Thomas Dohmke

2025/3/13
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Thomas Dohmke: 我最近发布了 Copilot 的 Agent 模式,它允许开发者与 AI 协同工作,完成更复杂的任务,例如实现新功能或安装软件包。开发者仍然是掌控全局的人,Agent 只是辅助工具。未来,Copilot 将进化成团队成员,能够自主完成任务,例如创建和提交代码。但这需要模型在推理能力上的提升以及用户界面的改进。目前,Copilot 的发展受限于模型的推理能力和用户界面的设计。Copilot Agent 的成功取决于其可预测性、可控性、可验证性和容忍度。 AI 代理的根本挑战在于将大型构思分解成可执行的小任务,这与人类开发者面临的挑战相同。AI 代理在处理明确定义的任务(例如修复bug、添加功能)方面将取得显著进展,但在处理模糊或复杂的任务方面仍有局限性。Copilot 的开发周期包含 AI 工程、模型评估、A/B 测试等多个环节,并根据市场变化不断调整。赢得开发者市场关键在于关注开发者需求,持续改进产品,并应对快速变化的市场竞争。Copilot 的使用数据表明,AI 正在生成越来越多的代码,其效率远超预期。 GitHub 未来将重点关注代码审查、云端开发环境以及 AI 驱动的安全漏洞修复等领域。AI 生成代码的普及将改变软件测试、技术债务管理等方面的工作方式,但不会完全取代人类开发者。AI 将改变软件开发团队的工作方式,尤其是在需求定义和任务分解方面。未来软件开发工具生态系统将呈现多样化,开发者将根据自身需求选择不同的工具和平台。Copilot 的商业成功体现在其广泛的应用范围和显著的生产力提升。AI 代理的定价模式将基于计算资源消耗,而不是简单地替代人类开发者的成本。开源模型将推动 AI 领域的创新,并促进 AI 技术的普及。 Sarah: (问题和讨论) Elad: (问题和讨论)

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This week on No Priors, Sarah and Elad talk with GitHub CEO Thomas Dohmke about the rise of AI-powered software development and the success of Copilot. They discuss how Copilot is reshaping the developer workflow, GitHub’s new Agent Mode, and competition in the developer tooling market. They also explore how AI-driven coding impacts software pricing, the future of open source vs. proprietary APIs, and what Copilot’s success means for Microsoft. Plus, Thomas shares insights from his journey growing up in East Berlin and navigating rapidly changing worlds.

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Show Notes:

0:00 Introduction

0:37 GitHub Copilot’s capabilities

4:12 Will agents replace developers?

6:04 Copilot’s development cycle

8:34 Winning the developer market

10:40 Agent mode

13:25 Where GitHub is headed

16:45 Building for the new challenges of AI

21:50 Dev tools market formation

29:56 Copilot’s broader impact

32:17 How AI changes software pricing

39:16 Open source vs. proprietary APIs

48:01 Growing up in East Berlin