Today's episode features two books that reach deep into the animal world. First, E.O. Wilson sits down with Robert Seigel to discuss how the narrative of war is used in his story featuring ants, called Anthill. Then writer Ed Yong talks with Ayesha Roscoe about trying to show the experience of life through a different perspective – animals – in *An Immense World.*Learn more about sponsor message choices: podcastchoices.com/adchoices)NPR Privacy Policy)
