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Goldman's Hatzius and Kostin on Markets and Macro in 2025

2024/12/2
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Jan Hatzius认为,当前进行短期或中期预测尤其困难,因为政策环境的不确定性高于以往。他认为,消费者支出将持续增长,通货膨胀将继续下降,美联储将根据经济基本面进一步降息。但他同时也指出,潜在的积极和消极因素都增加了对中心预测的可变性。 David Kostin认为,对客户而言,预测的价值在于界定问题和识别投资策略,而非仅仅提供具体的市场指数预测。他认为,高盛的研究部门内部协调性强,各团队之间会定期沟通,以形成一致的观点,但也会存在分歧。他强调,高盛的目标是向客户呈现一个连贯的整体图景,而不是每个细微之处都完全相同。

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WHY is it a difficult time to make economic forecasts?

It's a difficult time due to increased uncertainty surrounding the policy environment, particularly with a new administration promising major changes in areas like tariffs, immigration, and the size and scope of government.

How does Goldman Sachs coordinate its economic and market outlooks?

Goldman Sachs Research department, comprising nearly a thousand people, maintains close coordination through weekly discussions involving various teams, including macro, commodities, strategy, and rates, to ensure a coherent overall picture.

What is the S&P 500 target for 2025 and what are its key drivers?

The S&P 500 target is 6500, driven by an expected 11% earnings growth in 2025 and 7% in 2026. Sales are projected to grow around 5%, with slight margin expansion. The market multiple is expected to slightly decrease from around 23 times forward earnings to 21.5 times.

What is the impact of potential tariff increases on the economic outlook?

Tariff increases, particularly on imports from China (estimated at a 20 percentage point rise) and potentially on autos from Europe and Mexico, pose the biggest risk to the otherwise positive U.S. growth outlook of 2.5%.

Are tariffs inflationary?

Tariffs raise prices, as seen in previous implementations. However, their impact on ongoing inflation is less clear. They primarily cause a one-time price level increase, similar to a value-added tax, with the inflation effect diminishing after 8 months, assuming no major second-round effects or escalating trade wars.

How are investors reacting to the tariff headlines?

Investors are focused on the potential for increased small business confidence due to an anticipated more favorable business environment under the new administration. This optimism drives investment strategies focused on companies with significant revenue from small and medium-sized businesses.

What could cause the outperformance of mega-cap stocks to diminish?

The superior earnings growth of mega-cap stocks, which has driven their outperformance, is expected to diminish in the coming years. The gap between their earnings growth and the rest of the market is projected to narrow significantly, leading to smaller margins of outperformance.

Do animal spirits matter for the economy?

Surveys, particularly those focused on feelings rather than actions, should be taken with a grain of salt. While small business surveys may show increased optimism, their impact on actual capital spending is likely to be marginal.

What are the main concerns and discussions among investors?

Current discussions revolve around policy uncertainty rather than the underlying economic path. Specific concerns include inflation trajectory, the longer-term neutral funds rate, the impact of trade policy uncertainty on Europe, and market concentration in mega-cap stocks.

What is the potential impact of immigration on the economy?

Immigration has been crucial in boosting growth and potentially easing labor supply constraints, particularly in lower-skilled sectors. However, a recent decline in immigrant inflow, coupled with potential increased deportations, could negatively impact future growth.

What is the likelihood of significant changes in the spending trajectory or trend growth under the new administration?

Achieving ambitious goals like a 3% of GDP federal deficit or 3% trend growth is unlikely. Significant spending cuts face political challenges due to the large proportion of entitlement programs and defense spending. Furthermore, the administration's focus is not on sizable tax cuts.

What is the long-term impact of AI on potential growth?

While the near-term impact of AI-related capital spending on growth is marginal, the longer-term outlook is more optimistic. AI's ability to replace tasks in white-collar jobs could enhance productivity and boost potential growth, although labor market adjustments will occur over time.

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The hosts discuss the challenges of forecasting in uncertain times, especially with a new administration and its policies. They introduce their guests, Jan Hatzius, Chief Economist at Goldman Sachs, and David Kostin, Chief U.S. Equity Strategist at Goldman Sachs.
  • Forecasting is difficult due to policy uncertainty and a new administration.
  • Experts from Goldman Sachs provide insights into the 2025 market outlook.

Shownotes Transcript

It's trite to say that there is a high degree of uncertainty right now, for macro forecasters and investors. It also happens to be true. The new administration is promising major policy changes in areas like tariffs, immigration, and the size and scope of government. But even beyond that, there is near-term uncertainty over the outlook for the labor market and inflation. Furthermore, we're in an era of high stock valuations, high market concentration, and the AI wildcard. So in light of all this, we talked to Jan Hatzius, the Chief Economist and Head of Global Investment Research, and David Kostin, Goldman's top equity strategist, about what they're looking for in the year ahead.

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