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Is This the End of the US Exceptionalism Trade?

2025/4/17
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Joe Weisenthal
通过播客和新闻工作,提供深入的经济分析和市场趋势解读。
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Ozan Tarman
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Tracy Alloway
知名金融播客主播和分析师,专注于市场趋势和经济分析。
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Joe Weisenthal: 长期以来,投资美国资产是唯一可行的策略,但现在投资者开始质疑这种“美国例外论”是否即将终结。美国资产长期以来表现优异,主导全球市场,即使最近美国股市下跌,全球市场仍对其超配。长期以来,投资科技股是获得市场平均回报的唯一途径,现在投资者需要判断这种“痛苦交易”是否逆转。 Tracy Alloway: 欧洲市场强劲反弹,部分原因是世界其他地区表现好于预期,部分原因是美国自身问题。尽管欧洲在人工智能领域缺乏竞争力,但投资者似乎愿意忽视这一点。全球经济衰退的可能性不容忽视。比特币的价格走势与科技股脱钩,可能正在获得避险资产属性。 Ozan Tarman: 投资者目前面临的最大问题是判断“美国例外论”交易是否结束。市场对2023年初的预测完全错误。“美国例外论”的市场预期基于美国财政扩张、科技股强劲表现以及其他国家无法匹及的财政雄心。德国、中国等国的财政政策转变以及对“美国例外论”的预期逆转,导致市场共识被打破。美国关税政策对自身经济造成损害,削弱了其软实力,引发了信心危机。中国科技的崛起是“深度寻求”(deep seek)的真正含义,而非仅仅是经济政策。中国经济政策的转变和美国国债收益率的下降,导致美元走弱,市场出现类似新兴市场国家的波动。美国政策制定者在美元下跌和收益率上升时呼吁降息,这与新兴市场国家的做法类似。市场存在两种主要观点:一是美国10年期国债收益率将进一步上升,二是经济衰退担忧将占主导地位。投资者对特朗普政府的论点(短期阵痛换取长期经济增长)的认同度在下降。中国在电动汽车、太阳能和科技领域的进步削弱了美国的“例外论”。真正的资金正在撤离美国市场,这与之前的金融危机或英国脱欧事件不同。美国软实力的下降可能导致类似英国脱欧的经济缓慢下滑。鉴于投资限制和市场现实,投资者应该如何交易美国资产?作者认为标普500指数可能已经触底,欧洲和中国市场将继续跑赢美国市场,长期美国国债收益率可能下降。欧洲央行可能在6月份暂停降息,这将对市场造成影响。作者倾向于卖出美元上涨行情。人们越来越关注美国政治制度的稳定性及其对市场的影响。美国总统的言论可能会影响美联储的独立性,从而影响市场。美国总统的言论过多会损害其资本配置,导致资金撤离美元。关注特朗普、鲍威尔和习近平三人的行动,判断谁会先让步。美联储可能采取量化宽松政策,中美两国最终需要对话。如果特朗普不妥协,美联储不采取量化宽松政策,中国采取强硬立场,则可能出现类似英国脱欧或2008年金融危机的局面。比特币正在逐渐成为一种被机构投资者认可的数字资产。特朗普政府缺乏信誉,影响了比特币的机构投资。如果特朗普政府能够将政策重点从关税转向减税和放松管制,则可能利好股市。特朗普政府的经济政策开局不利。美国国债市场长期风险溢价上升,短期国债发行量增加。

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The podcast starts by questioning the long-standing winning trade of investing in the US market. For over 15 years, US assets have significantly outperformed global peers, but this dominance is now being questioned by investors. The discussion focuses on whether this trend is coming to an end and if better opportunities exist elsewhere.
  • 15+ year run of US market outperformance
  • Questioning the "only game in town" approach to investing
  • Overweight US assets in global portfolios

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For years and years now, there has been one winning trade: Go long the US versus the rest of the world. Thanks to tech dynamism and general pro-growth US macro policies, American assets have far outstripped their global peers. Of course, there have been some bumps along the way, but they've usually been global bumps. The financial crisis in 2008-2009 was global. Covid was a shock for the entire world. But with Trump's tariffs, we are now looking at a story that has the potential to be US-specific, even if a trade war will be felt internationally. And so investors are asking the question of whether US exceptionalism has come to an end, and there may be better opportunities elsewhere. On this episode we speak with Ozan Tarman, vice chair of global macro at Deutsche Bank. He tells us what his clients are thinking about and the various scenarios whereby US assets continue to underperform. We also discuss the implications of the US becoming more EM-like in its politics, and its financial markets.Read More: End of 'America First' Trade Is Boosting Europe's Markets)The World Is Finding a Plausible Alternative to Treasuries)Only Bloomberg.com subscribers can get the Odd Lots newsletter in their inbox — now delivered every weekday — plus unlimited access to the site and app. Subscribe at bloomberg.com/subscriptions/oddlots)

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