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What It Felt Like When Everyone Was Hopeful, Happy, and Rich

2025/1/6
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Colette Shade
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Joe Weisenthal
通过播客和新闻工作,提供深入的经济分析和市场趋势解读。
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Tracy Alloway
知名金融播客主播和分析师,专注于市场趋势和经济分析。
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Joe Weisenthal: 90年代后期,特别是后半段,给人一种乐观、富裕、和谐与和平的印象。这种感觉可能是个人怀旧情绪与实际情况的混合。90年代似乎没有多少战争,这种感觉在911事件后迅速结束。90年代个人经历的财富增长,虽然事后看来并不富裕,且不可持续。90年代人们对新技术的探索,缺乏对潜在负面影响的认识。90年代存在一种信念,即人类可以克服物质限制,一切将在线化、软件化。冷战结束后,人们认为社会、民主和市场的问题已经解决。现在与90年代相比,世界面临多场重大战争,经济情绪低迷,人们幸福感下降。Y2K事件预示了90年代末期乐观情绪的不可持续性。Y2K指的是对2000年计算机系统千年虫问题的担忧,最终问题得到解决。 Tracy Alloway: 90年代末到2000年初,人们对人类未来成就抱有极度乐观的态度,这种乐观在今天已经不复存在。如今对AI的乐观情绪中夹杂着对就业等问题的担忧,而2000年前后则不存在这种担忧。互联网泡沫的破裂和911事件对当时的乐观情绪造成了双重打击。互联网泡沫的破裂和911事件分别摧毁了经济乐观和地缘政治乐观。90年代末期和2000年代初期的审美风格发生了显著转变,从温和转向激进。如今,人们对新技术的乐观情绪更加谨慎,并预料到潜在的风险。90年代的乐观情绪是独一无二的,难以复制。90年代的乐观情绪在当时是可以理解的,因为人们认为一些核心问题已经得到解决。 Colette Shade: 作者撰写本书的动机源于2018年发现的一封1999年撰写的信,以及对90年代末乐观情绪的反思。作者在1999年预测2008年将发生住房危机和金融工具CDOs的出现,部分预测准确。硅谷文化中存在一些奇怪的现象,例如对经济持续增长的盲目乐观。1998年一位麻省理工学院经济学家预测经济将持续增长,不会再出现衰退,体现了当时的过度自信。1998年一位麻省理工学院经济学家认为经济可以永远增长,不需要也不想要经济衰退,体现了当时的傲慢自大。宏观层面,经济学家预测经济持续增长,书籍预测股市大幅上涨,都反映了当时普遍存在的财富和繁荣感。1999年出版的《道琼斯指数36000》一书预测股市将在未来几年获得巨额回报,反映了当时普遍存在的乐观情绪。互联网泡沫是90年代末期乐观情绪的主要原因,这种情绪渗透到整个文化中。文化是经济和技术力量的产物,需要时间才能反映出结构性变化的影响。充气沙发作为一种流行的家具,象征着90年代末期对未来的乐观和对科技的幻想,最终破裂,如同互联网泡沫。Y2K美学风格,以圆润、透明为特征,象征着互联网带来的透明性和和平。Y2K美学风格的圆润、透明等特征,象征着互联网带来的透明性和和平,与后来的棱角分明、攻击性强的设计风格形成对比。作者选择“Y2K”作为书名是为了SEO优化,并专注于探讨互联网泡沫和2008年金融危机之间的文化现象。本书探讨了互联网泡沫和2008年金融危机之间的文化现象,以及作者个人的成长经历。Y2K千年虫问题在本书分析中并不占据重要地位。大众甲壳虫汽车的造型设计反映了90年代末期人们对小巧、节能、和平的社会理想的追求。90年代SUV的流行与大众甲壳虫的流行形成对比,反映了当时社会中存在的多种力量。90年代SUV的普及率逐年上升,到2000年悍马H2的出现,标志着一种与大众甲壳虫截然不同的审美趋势。本书中“拉里·萨默斯导致我的饮食失调”一章探讨了90年代末期模特行业的兴起及其对个人生活的影响。90年代末期,尽管存在普遍的乐观情绪,但也存在着严重的性别歧视问题。911事件后,社会文化发生了保守的转变,这加剧了女性所面临的压力。90年代末期的性别歧视问题可能与对女性主义运动成果的抵制有关。文化战争往往是经济增长焦虑或技术焦虑的体现。当前的文化战争可能源于人们对人工智能、不平等和生活水平下降的担忧。McBling美学风格反映了2001年至2008年期间的文化现象,体现了一种虚假的奢华和享乐主义。McBling美学风格的特点包括Juicy Couture运动服、UGG靴子、漂白金发、深色假晒黑、名牌服装和配饰等。McBling美学风格是次贷危机的文化体现,反映了一种不可持续的虚假繁荣。McMansion(大型郊区住宅)的建筑质量差,但反映了人们追求虚假奢华的心理。McMansion(大型郊区住宅)的建筑设计缺乏实用性,体现了人们追求表面光鲜的虚荣心。互联网泡沫主要影响高收入人群,而次贷危机则影响更广泛的群体,包括中低收入人群。互联网泡沫和次贷危机的影响范围不同,前者主要影响富裕人群,后者则波及更广泛的社会群体。写作本书的过程对作者来说具有宣泄作用,帮助她处理了与90年代末乐观情绪相关的个人经历。将个人经历与历史事件结合起来进行反思,能够带来深刻的自我认知和理解。通过写作,作者能够理解自己过去经历的痛苦,并将其与更大的社会历史背景联系起来。互联网泡沫对作者的家庭产生了影响,这促使她对这段历史进行更深入的思考。1999年亚特兰大的一起日内交易中心枪击案预示了当时经济的潜在风险。1999年夏季的一些事件预示了互联网泡沫的即将破裂。尽管当时存在普遍的乐观情绪,但也有人预见到互联网泡沫的不可持续性。

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Why did the late 1990s feel like a period of optimism and wealth in America?

The late 1990s were characterized by a booming stock market, the dot-com bubble, and a sense that technological advancements would solve many of society's problems. There was widespread belief that the economy would continue to grow indefinitely, and many people felt personally wealthy and optimistic about the future.

Why did the Y2K bug not feature prominently in Colette Shade's book?

Colette Shade focused on the broader cultural and economic trends of the late 1990s and early 2000s, rather than the Y2K bug itself. She used the term 'Y2K' because it is widely recognized and used on social media, but the bug itself did not significantly impact her analysis of the era.

Why did the cultural aesthetic of the late 1990s shift to the McBling aesthetic in the early 2000s?

The McBling aesthetic, characterized by excessive and ostentatious displays of wealth, emerged as a cultural response to the economic growth and the emerging subprime mortgage crisis. It reflected a subconscious understanding of the unsustainable nature of the economic boom and the impending financial crisis.

Why did the dot-com bubble and the subprime mortgage crisis have different impacts on the economy?

The dot-com bubble primarily affected upper-middle-class individuals and tech investors, leading to portfolio losses and job cuts in the tech sector. In contrast, the subprime mortgage crisis affected a broader segment of the population, including middle-class and low-income individuals, leading to widespread foreclosures and a more severe economic downturn.

Why did the 1990s feel like a unique and unrecoverable period of optimism?

The 1990s were marked by a combination of economic prosperity, technological advancements, and the end of the Cold War, which created a sense that many core problems of human civilization had been solved. This optimism was later shattered by events like 9/11 and the Great Financial Crisis, making it difficult to recapture the same level of unbridled hope.

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If you look at various surveys, Americans feel grim about the state of the economy. But even outside of the economy itself, you see negative readings for faith in various American institutions. Pessimism seems to be in right now, at least on a societal level. But it wasn't always this way. In the 1990s, we were between the Cold War and the War on Terror. The stock market boomed through much of the decade. Optimism was in. So what was that like, and then how did it come to an abrupt end in the early years of the new millennium? On this episode, we speak to Colette Shade, author of the new book Y2K: How the 2000s Became Everything, about this time period in America, what stood out, and what is relevant today.Related reading: Author of 'Dow 36,000' Book on Lessons Learned Since the 1999 Prediction)

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