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Climate Fervorology (ECO-ADVOCACY WITHOUT IT BEING A BUMMER) with AJR’s Adam Met

2025/4/16
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Adam Mett: 我认为气候行动不应仅仅局限于个人行为的改变,更重要的是发挥个人领导力,激励更多人参与到气候行动中来。我的工作和生活都围绕着解决大型创意问题展开,无论是音乐创作还是气候政策制定,都需要运用创造性思维。我将两者视为一体,在巡演期间,我利用空闲时间会见市议员、市长和州长,参与气候政策制定。即使在攻读博士学位期间,我也会往返于英国和美国,在巡演的间隙进行学术研究。我将音乐和气候工作视为解决大型创意问题的两种方式,两者使用的是我大脑中相同的创造性部分。 在气候行动中,投票和签署有针对性的请愿书是两种非常有效的方法。许多人认为个人碳足迹微不足道,但实际上,个人领导力,即激励他人采取行动,才是更重要的。我曾遇到一位高中生,她通过发起请愿书,成功地减少了学校的塑料垃圾使用。这并非个人行为的改变,而是个人领导力的体现,她改变的是系统层面的政策。 集体的狂热(集体兴奋)可以有效地激励人们采取气候行动。我们通过研究发现,当人们在群体环境中参与行动时,他们的脑电波会同步,更容易产生集体认同感,从而更愿意采取行动。我们在演唱会中开展了电话银行和请愿签名活动,成效显著。在七个州,我们成功地推动了气候政策的积极发展,即使有些政治家并不支持我们的立场。 在与不同政治立场的人沟通时,要理解他们的需求,并使用不同的沟通方式。例如,我可以与那些不相信气候变化的人讨论经济利益,比如堵塞甲烷管道可以为公司节省大量资金。 我的新书《Amplify》旨在帮助人们找到参与气候行动的方式,并利用音乐产业的策略来构建更有效的社会运动。书中涵盖了有效讲故事、游戏化、扩大运动参与度等方面的内容。我甚至采访了格伦·贝克这样对气候变化持怀疑态度的人,并找到了一些共同点,比如堵塞甲烷管道。 在地方层面采取行动,对气候变化的影响比联邦层面更大。我们可以将成功的当地政策推广到其他城市和州,从而产生更大的影响。 在应对气候焦虑的同时,保持多样化的兴趣爱好,避免过度专注于单一问题,可以有效地避免倦怠。我建议人们在感到沮丧时,可以从事其他活动来转移注意力,比如绘画、阅读等。 学术界需要加强与倡导者的合作,将研究成果转化为可操作的行动方案。学术研究应该关注其实用性,并提供具体的行动建议。 Alie Ward: 与Adam Mett的对话中,我了解到气候行动的有效策略,包括个人领导力、系统性变革以及公众参与的重要性。我们讨论了如何利用集体狂热来激励人们采取行动,以及如何通过与不同政治立场的人沟通来推动气候政策的进步。此外,我们还探讨了如何将学术研究成果转化为实际行动,以及如何避免在气候行动中产生倦怠。Adam Mett的经验和见解为我们提供了宝贵的启示,也为我们应对气候变化挑战提供了新的思路。

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Adam Met, of the band AJR, shares his unique approach to balancing his career as a musician and climate activist. He explains how his creative problem-solving skills are transferable between music and climate policy, and his commitment to excellence in both fields.
  • Adam Met divides his time between music and climate work, even during tours.
  • He views both fields as creative problem-solving endeavors.
  • His commitment to excellence extends to both aspects of his life.

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Cleaner energy! Reasoning with climate deniers! Using fandom to pass policy! And not burning out. Adam Met, of the colossal indie pop band AJR is also a career climate activist, an International Human Rights Law PhD, adjunct professor at Columbia University, and the author of the upcoming book “Amplify: How to Use the Power of Connection to Engage, Take Action, and Build a Better World.” He joins to chat about breaking through the overwhelm of climate causes, what action actually matters, if petitions even work, what happens to our brains at a rock concert, how human rights and climate policy intersect, if you should drive a gas or an electric car, how to solve problems that are vexing you by not working on them, carbon footprint guilt, the similarities between writing an album and writing a book, and how to do something about climate change without bumming everyone out. It’s possible. 

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