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Farewell TikTok? Plus, the Role of Memory and Forgetting with the L.A. Wildfires.

2025/1/17
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David Cole: 我认为,此案的核心问题在于,TikTok及其1.7亿用户的言论自由权与国会的国家安全担忧之间的冲突。政府声称,由于担心TikTok可能会将用户数据提供给中国政府或传播宣传,因此有必要禁止该应用程序。然而,政府并没有提供任何证据证明这些担忧是真实的。虽然中国是一个在数据挖掘方面行为不端的国家,但TikTok历史上从未发生过中国政府利用其权限获取数据的情况。我认为,将TikTok定义为一个主要的美国媒体机构是恰当的,因为大量的美国人,特别是年轻人,都从该平台获取新闻。如果政府基于对媒体观点的担忧而控制媒体所有权,这将对言论自由造成严重威胁,并对其他外国拥有媒体的机构产生影响。如果政府的行为是为了改变人们看到的內容,则必须受到严格审查。禁止TikTok并非保护数据隐私的最有效方法,国会应该考虑更具针对性的立法,例如禁止TikTok与中国或任何其他外国分享信息。此案与历史上许多类似案件相似,这些案件都涉及言论自由权与政府国家安全担忧之间的冲突。虽然存在替代平台,但这不能成为政府关闭言论渠道的理由。如果最高法院允许政府此举,将对美国的言论自由和人民自主决定辩论条款的原则造成危险的先例。 Ryan Broderick: 美国立法者和法院对TikTok的运作机制存在误解。他们将TikTok视为一个社交平台,但实际上它是一个以社会购物为主要目的的平台。TikTok的母公司字节跳动旨在将中国式的社会购物模式推广到全球,TikTok的运作方式与其他社交媒体平台不同。美国用户对TikTok的价值被高估了,TikTok不会仅仅因为失去美国用户而被迫出售。社交网络会产生激进化效应,但其影响机制比美国立法者认为的要复杂得多。虽然有证据表明TikTok被用于监视美国记者,字节跳动员工参与内容审核,以及中国价值观对内容的影响,但缺乏证据表明中国政府直接操纵TikTok的内容以达到政治目的。美国试图阻止中国科技公司影响美国的努力短期内可能有效,但长期来看效果不确定,这反映出美国对其自身科技影响力的不安全感。

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The Supreme Court has upheld a ban on TikTok. On this week’s On the Media, hear how the ruling could affect other media companies, and where TikTokers are going next. Plus, California’s latest wildfires are devastating, but they’re not unprecedented.

[01:00]  Host Micah Loewinger sits down with David Cole), professor of law and public policy at Georgetown University, and former National Legal Director of the American Civil Liberties Union, to discuss what the Supreme Court TikTok ban could mean for all kinds of media companies.

[16:39] Host Micah Loewinger speaks with Ryan Broderick), tech journalist, host of the podcast Panic World, and author of the newsletter “Garbage Day,” on the great TikTok migration to RedNote, and what the platform’s potential ban means for the future of the Internet.

[35:08] Host Brooke Gladstone speaks with Rebecca Solnit), author of *A Paradise Built in Hell: The Extraordinary Communities That Arise in Disaster, *on what she, a California native, has found shocking but not surprising about the Los Angeles fires. 

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